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On March 12 2018 06:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:21 darthfoley wrote:On March 12 2018 06:20 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 06:09 darthfoley wrote:
n00bking what do you want to do considering HF is not happening? Hf should totally happen. Kill HF > Kill Moosy > Kill Slam If we can't get consensus on one of those, I would listen to an alternative plan of action, ahead of us all ganging up on Koshi or rsoul, because those ideas are ridiculous. Well, HF is not going to happen so I guess you need to kill Moosy ??? If that's your attitude why not do it yourself?
Because he is the one that said Moosy is his second choice behind a first choice that is 100% not happening today
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On March 12 2018 06:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:09 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:59 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:50 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:49 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:42 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:40 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:35 Holyflare wrote:
A full vt game is the most perfect game you can get you pleb. Who gives a shit if they kill rsoul and nobody else? That's just gravy. And what is "most perfect" supposed to mean? The game I want to play and should have been hosted instead of this travesty. Long as you admit it doesn't mean "most town-favored." Lots of setups are more town-favored than a full vanilla game. Like THIS one. ESPECIALLY if we follow the plan from the mass claim. So stop trying to turn THIS game into a full vanilla game, instead of one that favors the town. I'm NOT stupid. Semantics Semantics Semantics Come to a unanimous decision. Pointing out the FACT that you are actively trying to reduce the town's win % is NOT semantics. You have a chip on your shoulder and you're arguing with your mafia read. If I am mafia it is my exact goal to find the most favorable setup for mafia to win. I think not getting people killed and maximising that ability should be my ultimate goal. None of this factors into anything you say. You literally just spent three pages quoting my posts and contradicting what they say just to say "oh that's not the MOST town favoured it's what favours you the most!" Not once did you call me mafia for pushing this mafia strategy or anything. It is in fact semantics you are arguing. The minutiae about a plan and correcting it instead of using it as ammo to further your case is what makes me think you're very much mafia. Of course I'm arguing with my mafia read. I'm trying to keep anyone else from listening to you, and I'm trying to COORDINATE the medics into KILLING YOU. Defeating your arguments is how that process goes. Have you played this game before? Not once did I call you mafia for pushing this mafia strategy? I've called you mafia for it NON-STOP. What are you even talking about? On March 12 2018 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
At the end of the day I say we should nk slam and df agrees and you just go "Fine, let's nk slam. It's not optimal but I'll do it." THIS IS A KILL THAT I JUST PROPOSED AND YOU ARE FINE JUMPING ON IT Such a load of bs. I'm NOT fine jumping on it, but I've consistently maintained that splitting the kills is not optimal and that the medics should coordinate. I've said that every step of the way. If Slam is the best I could get, that's still better than splitting the kills. We can afford to be wrong, thanks to the leniency gained from the mass claim YOU opposed, and the resulting plan that YOU oppose. It wasn't YOUR idea to kill slam, DF proposed it long before you ever did. Why can you not even make a single post without saying something that is verifiably false? Df and noobking healing hf. Vivax and ff healing koshi. None of that looks like df proposing a unanimous kill on slam I'm afraid.
lol, DF has been talking about killing slam since the phase STARTED. His FIRST post in N2 says he's fine vig'ing Slam tonight.
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On March 12 2018 06:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:23 rsoultin wrote:
FF not being here to at least get this nailed down is not giving me the warm fuzzies. Which is lovely because the last thing I need is more scumspects. I really hope FF is the mafia doc cause then the mafia doc can't kill Koshi while I'm on moosy. Which means that moosy is scum if I die and he lives.
Your logic isn't foolproof, but it's the most likely scenario regarding moosy. That said, this would be true of anyone you decided to cowboy your medic save on if you're town. And that doesn't change that I don't like why you're doing it in the first place.
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On March 12 2018 06:27 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:24 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2018 06:23 rsoultin wrote:
FF not being here to at least get this nailed down is not giving me the warm fuzzies. Which is lovely because the last thing I need is more scumspects. I really hope FF is the mafia doc cause then the mafia doc can't kill Koshi while I'm on moosy. Which means that moosy is scum if I die and he lives. Your logic isn't foolproof, but it's the most likely scenario regarding moosy. That said, this would be true of anyone you decided to cowboy your medic save on if you're town. And that doesn't change that I don't like why you're doing it in the first place.
You're going to like it when you see that flip tho.
Granted that my confidence fluctuates pretty highly depending on day and time but right now it's pretty high for Moosy posting scumquestions.
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On March 12 2018 06:20 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:18 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 06:06 rsoultin wrote:
HF is right that if we can't get to a consensus on who to nk that's 3 deaths instead of 2, and his proposal at least minimizes the hemorraghing. I actually like it, because I think the best way for mafia to play is to just kill one person if they don't want to confirm a medic. He's only "right" about that because other players badgered him into admitting that his original suggestion was horrendous. It appears you're right about the deadline, so explain why letting mafia kill one person and forfeiting the vig shot is beneficial to us. We apparently have time to listen. He's right that medics spilt onto two targets equals three deaths. Then we just hope one of those is the mafia in the claimed VT's. Otherwise it's already mylo tomorrow. I prefer consolidation on one target. His plan is better than what was happening, is the point.
He's right that medics split onto two targets equals three deaths....yes, and that was HIS idea, to split onto two targets, remember? lol
Only when myself and others badgered him into admitting how awful his plan was, did he admit that splitting the kills is bad. He's "right" about the thing everyone else had already said. "What was happening" wasn't actually going to happen, we just hadn't decided "what was going to happen" yet.
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Vivax where is your explanation. Looking back, Holyflare also called out medics for being a mess. What makes me doing it and attempting to organize medics particularly scummy?
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On March 12 2018 06:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Vivax where is your explanation. Looking back, Holyflare also called out medics for being a mess. What makes me doing it and attempting to organize medics particularly scummy?
Cause someone who was genuinely interested into the situation would only be worried about DF and Noobking not trying to find a common ground when me and FF already did.
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On March 12 2018 06:32 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Vivax where is your explanation. Looking back, Holyflare also called out medics for being a mess. What makes me doing it and attempting to organize medics particularly scummy? Cause someone who was genuinely interested into the situation would only be worried about DF and Noobking not trying to find a common ground when me and FF already did.
And you really think me wanting you to say you were on Koshi to prompt darth and noob to also vote him is a sign of red?
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Fair. But I'm less concerned about all that and more concerned about wrangling the cats to actually take advantage of our vig shot, noob.
My proposal is this.
We will pretend fecalfeast doesn't exist since he's apparently decided not to join us tonight.
If both darth and noob don't want a moosy kill, decide who you're going to kill. Vivax, you get on him too so we're not in mylo. And if any one of the three of you is obstinate and unwilling to play ball, the other two medics just heal [i]him/i].
Right now coordination is way more important than obstinance. We're treating this as majority medic opinion rules.
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On March 12 2018 06:26 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:22 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2018 06:21 darthfoley wrote:On March 12 2018 06:20 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 06:09 darthfoley wrote:
n00bking what do you want to do considering HF is not happening? Hf should totally happen. Kill HF > Kill Moosy > Kill Slam If we can't get consensus on one of those, I would listen to an alternative plan of action, ahead of us all ganging up on Koshi or rsoul, because those ideas are ridiculous. Well, HF is not going to happen so I guess you need to kill Moosy ??? If that's your attitude why not do it yourself? Because he is the one that said Moosy is his second choice behind a first choice that is 100% not happening today
Why is that 100% not happening today? If FF shows up and says he's down for killing HF with me, would you resist that plan?
Because this already happened:
On March 11 2018 13:02 Fecalfeast wrote:
I wanna heal hf
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We can't allow any one medic to hold the coordinated vig shot hostage. This wouldn't be an issue if FF were here, but yeah.
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I had no idea what setup was optimal whether it be Holyflare's suggestion or something else so I was defaulting to having every medic on one person. So what in that makes you see red?
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On March 12 2018 06:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:32 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2018 06:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Vivax where is your explanation. Looking back, Holyflare also called out medics for being a mess. What makes me doing it and attempting to organize medics particularly scummy? Cause someone who was genuinely interested into the situation would only be worried about DF and Noobking not trying to find a common ground when me and FF already did. And you really think me wanting you to say you were on Koshi to prompt darth and noob to also vote him is a sign of red?
That's not what you did.
You literally asked all of us in the most generic way possible.
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Hell, I'll even volunteer to be the vig shot if that's what it takes to get you people on the same page -_- and avoid possibly going straight into mylo D3
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On March 12 2018 06:26 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:19 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 06:09 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:59 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:50 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:49 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:42 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:40 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:35 Holyflare wrote:
A full vt game is the most perfect game you can get you pleb. Who gives a shit if they kill rsoul and nobody else? That's just gravy. And what is "most perfect" supposed to mean? The game I want to play and should have been hosted instead of this travesty. Long as you admit it doesn't mean "most town-favored." Lots of setups are more town-favored than a full vanilla game. Like THIS one. ESPECIALLY if we follow the plan from the mass claim. So stop trying to turn THIS game into a full vanilla game, instead of one that favors the town. I'm NOT stupid. Semantics Semantics Semantics Come to a unanimous decision. Pointing out the FACT that you are actively trying to reduce the town's win % is NOT semantics. You have a chip on your shoulder and you're arguing with your mafia read. If I am mafia it is my exact goal to find the most favorable setup for mafia to win. I think not getting people killed and maximising that ability should be my ultimate goal. None of this factors into anything you say. You literally just spent three pages quoting my posts and contradicting what they say just to say "oh that's not the MOST town favoured it's what favours you the most!" Not once did you call me mafia for pushing this mafia strategy or anything. It is in fact semantics you are arguing. The minutiae about a plan and correcting it instead of using it as ammo to further your case is what makes me think you're very much mafia. Of course I'm arguing with my mafia read. I'm trying to keep anyone else from listening to you, and I'm trying to COORDINATE the medics into KILLING YOU. Defeating your arguments is how that process goes. Have you played this game before? Not once did I call you mafia for pushing this mafia strategy? I've called you mafia for it NON-STOP. What are you even talking about? On March 12 2018 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
At the end of the day I say we should nk slam and df agrees and you just go "Fine, let's nk slam. It's not optimal but I'll do it." THIS IS A KILL THAT I JUST PROPOSED AND YOU ARE FINE JUMPING ON IT Such a load of bs. I'm NOT fine jumping on it, but I've consistently maintained that splitting the kills is not optimal and that the medics should coordinate. I've said that every step of the way. If Slam is the best I could get, that's still better than splitting the kills. We can afford to be wrong, thanks to the leniency gained from the mass claim YOU opposed, and the resulting plan that YOU oppose. It wasn't YOUR idea to kill slam, DF proposed it long before you ever did. Why can you not even make a single post without saying something that is verifiably false? Df and noobking healing hf. Vivax and ff healing koshi. None of that looks like df proposing a unanimous kill on slam I'm afraid. lol, DF has been talking about killing slam since the phase STARTED. His FIRST post in N2 says he's fine vig'ing Slam tonight.
S e m a n t i c s.
He was not wanting to kill slam when it called for a consolidation until now. So the FACT still stands that a consolidation onto slam did not attempt to occur until I suggested it and he agreed to always wanting it and people were fine for it. Therefore I started the unanimous decision. Now you are fine wanting to nk who I wanted!
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This is great though.
If Noobking doesn't get on moosy after saying he's the preferred target after HF, then noob is confirmed mafia if moosy is.
If I die and moosy doesn't, you can lynch him tomorrow.
In my scenario mafia medic is going to kill Koshi tonight. If FF is the mafia medic, Koshi won't die and we can lynch FF. If FF is a town medic, Koshi will die and you lynch Moosy tomorrow. If he's red you lynch Noob.
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On March 12 2018 06:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:26 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 06:19 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 06:09 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:59 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:50 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:49 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:42 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:40 n00bKing wrote:
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And what is "most perfect" supposed to mean? The game I want to play and should have been hosted instead of this travesty. Long as you admit it doesn't mean "most town-favored." Lots of setups are more town-favored than a full vanilla game. Like THIS one. ESPECIALLY if we follow the plan from the mass claim. So stop trying to turn THIS game into a full vanilla game, instead of one that favors the town. I'm NOT stupid. Semantics Semantics Semantics Come to a unanimous decision. Pointing out the FACT that you are actively trying to reduce the town's win % is NOT semantics. You have a chip on your shoulder and you're arguing with your mafia read. If I am mafia it is my exact goal to find the most favorable setup for mafia to win. I think not getting people killed and maximising that ability should be my ultimate goal. None of this factors into anything you say. You literally just spent three pages quoting my posts and contradicting what they say just to say "oh that's not the MOST town favoured it's what favours you the most!" Not once did you call me mafia for pushing this mafia strategy or anything. It is in fact semantics you are arguing. The minutiae about a plan and correcting it instead of using it as ammo to further your case is what makes me think you're very much mafia. Of course I'm arguing with my mafia read. I'm trying to keep anyone else from listening to you, and I'm trying to COORDINATE the medics into KILLING YOU. Defeating your arguments is how that process goes. Have you played this game before? Not once did I call you mafia for pushing this mafia strategy? I've called you mafia for it NON-STOP. What are you even talking about? On March 12 2018 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
At the end of the day I say we should nk slam and df agrees and you just go "Fine, let's nk slam. It's not optimal but I'll do it." THIS IS A KILL THAT I JUST PROPOSED AND YOU ARE FINE JUMPING ON IT Such a load of bs. I'm NOT fine jumping on it, but I've consistently maintained that splitting the kills is not optimal and that the medics should coordinate. I've said that every step of the way. If Slam is the best I could get, that's still better than splitting the kills. We can afford to be wrong, thanks to the leniency gained from the mass claim YOU opposed, and the resulting plan that YOU oppose. It wasn't YOUR idea to kill slam, DF proposed it long before you ever did. Why can you not even make a single post without saying something that is verifiably false? Df and noobking healing hf. Vivax and ff healing koshi. None of that looks like df proposing a unanimous kill on slam I'm afraid. lol, DF has been talking about killing slam since the phase STARTED. His FIRST post in N2 says he's fine vig'ing Slam tonight. S e m a n t i c s. He was not wanting to kill slam when it called for a consolidation until now. So the FACT still stands that a consolidation onto slam did not attempt to occur until I suggested it and he agreed to always wanting it and people were fine for it. Therefore I started the unanimous decision. Now you are fine wanting to nk who I wanted!
That's not semantics. DF proposed killing him first. That's just fact. And you continue to put falsehoods in every post. I am not fine NK'ing Slam. I merely favored getting a consensus (which YOU tried to prevent, with your split-medics plan) over getting one of my top 2 targets, that I made cases against. I didn't post a case against Slam, because I don't SEE one. But if I can't get one of my top 2 targets, I would fall in line with that 3rd option, which I would resist more powerfully if the target were Koshi or rsoul.
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On March 12 2018 06:39 Vivax wrote:
This is great though.
If Noobking doesn't get on moosy after saying he's the preferred target after HF, then noob is confirmed mafia if moosy is.
If I die and moosy doesn't, you can lynch him tomorrow.
In my scenario mafia medic is going to kill Koshi tonight. If FF is the mafia medic, Koshi won't die and we can lynch FF. If FF is a town medic, Koshi will die and you lynch Moosy tomorrow. If he's red you lynch Noob.
Or, you can play ball, and whoever you all target is definitely dead instead of risking mylo 
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Bahahahahahahahahahhahahaha
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ARE WE VIGGING MOOSY OR NOT?
I don't give a royal fuck about all these arguments going on right now >< Three medics, same target. If anyone can't play nice with the majority opinion, they can just be the target.
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