EPT[M][N] Medic Mafia
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Anyway. I am VT. Not claiming is the worst idea ever. We have 2 ml and 2 misshots garanteed like that in a pool of 5. If the mafia wins that I would be very impressed lol. Do the math and claim pls. | ||
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8 vs 2 with 3 medics So current situation is: 3M + 5 versus 2 Now let's do worst case scenario: After 1 ml: 3M + 4 versus 2 After nk and our medics stacking (really important all medics stack on 1) 2M + 3 versus 2 After second ml: 2M + 2 versus 2 After nk and our medics stacking (really important all medics stack on 1) 1M + 1 versus 2 and we lose. That would mean that we lynched 2 townies and vigged 2 townies out of a pool of 5 townies that werent medic. That would be impressive. So one mafia needs to fakeclaim medic and one mafia needs to claim VT gl hf PS: I haven't read the rules with how the medic thing works since I read it when this thread got started 2 weeks ago or something. | ||
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This means we have 6 VTs versus 4 medics atm. We know there is 1 mafia within the VTs. Now we have 2 lynches and 2 medic shots during the night to get the 1 mafia within the VTs. If we figure him out today we auto win killing medics. If we figure him out during night we auto win killing medics. If we figure him out next day we end up with 4 real vts and 3 medics which contain a mafia. = autowin cuz medics kill each other during night. If we figure him out the second night we go into a 2 VT + 1 medic vs a fakeclaiming medic mafia. It's a 50/50 because we have to lynch. But seriously. If we lose that we missed 3 lynches and 2 vig shots. Then you just deserve to lose. | ||
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3. darthfoley 5. Holyflare 6. rsoultin 7. Koshi 8. KelsierSC Kill 4. Do not do the shit rsoultin and HF suggest. Do not kill medics. Within these 6 names you have 4 chances to hit the 1 mafia. only when it is the 4th try that you hit mafia you need to lynch the last mafia in a 50/50 between medics. Mafia has no option to kill VTs. Well... They could but then they chance the 1/3 chance on the last medic shot into a 1/2 shot and then last day is a 3 medics + 1 VT "mylo". So that doesn't change shit. Just play the game like I suggest. Kill 4 within 6. If you hit the 1 mafia you autowin unless it was the last shot 2 nights from now. If you can't hit the mafia withing these 6 names you just deserve to lose. | ||
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On March 10 2018 22:30 Koshi wrote: 1. Alakaslam 5. Holyflare 6. rsoultin 7. Koshi 8. KelsierSC 10. MoosyDoosy Kill 4. My names were wrong. I think mafia played well and put noobking under the medics. I think DF should have died if he wasn't a real medic. (from what I read after I replaced). Vivax and fefe look medics. Problem is we can't kill him. Because the game stays the same which is find the 1 mafia in 6 names. Well... The only difference is that if we are wrong we lose our shooting power 1 night earlier. And if we are right we do not lose after the second vigshot during night. We always have our lylo with 3 VTs and 1 medic. But who cares really. Just don't kill medics. If we are wrong and kill a town medic we are idiots. We can't take the risk. Anyway. I don't have reads. I think Slam is town and figured out noobking. Pretty sure he wont buss like that. I think I agree with rsoultin that HF proposed something sub-optimal and I don't know what that makes HF. I know I can kill all 3 out of HF, MD and Kelsier so who really cares? | ||
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##vote Kelsier Kelsier needs to go. Looks like super duper awkward mafia but life isn't that easy. | ||
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 gl ksc. | ||
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You have 4 shots to hit mafia within 6 names. If you succeed within your first 3 shots you AUTOWIN. I might not do much this game. But I present you the easiest way to win in the history of mafia with 5 misslynches before you lose, with the last 4 in a pool of 6. And 4 of you decide to take another route. Amazing. | ||
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On March 11 2018 06:21 Holyflare wrote: I would much rather have fun and lynch mafia then trying to play optimally and rely on some shit game mechanics to win. I just wanted to play a normal game tbh but he we are. So, I am just going to play mafia like I normally am and lynch people that look like mafia regardless of whether they are a claimed medic or not. We have three medic claims and all of them were instant. Only noobking's was delayed and didn't say a single thing. At no point has he even tried to decipher which of the other three medics are mafia when that should be the medic's main priority. I had a town read on vivax and a semi town semi blue read on ff the whole time. Df could have been mafia but I don't think he ever shoots AMG there at all over rsoul/vivax/hf. Furthermore, he is actually angry at this point int time for no discernible reason that I can think of. To top it off he had that massive df post early on d1 where it looked like it was incredibly TMI to call him town. Add to that the fact that he wanted to lynch kelsier d1 instead of people that gave good information then I have to think he's actually mafia. Everything you say here is true. But why play suboptimal? We have lynched so many people which we believed to be mafia only to see them flip town. I also give it 85% or more that noobking is mafia. But why lynch him? There is no point. | ||
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Tinfoil team is HF+ Vivax. | ||
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Vivax isn't. DF looks town. fefe same. Slam looks mad enough to be town. Moosy looks town. rsoultin makes way too much sense to be mafia. She is solving the game like I would. HF is pushing to kill medics but not Vivax who fell of the earth. Tinfoil HF + Vivax explained. | ||
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The amount of posts he made and the flow between them. He looks unhindered speaking his mind and jumping from suspect to suspect. I am not reading indepth like you did with your 2 cases but on the surface he looked fine. | ||
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On March 11 2018 18:56 rsoultin wrote: Hey koshi, 1) your read on noob changed. Can you explain that? 2) Along with your moosy townread if it's more than just tone and spidey senses, because I'm conflicted about him. 3) Also not sure what you meant by DF should have died if he wasn't real medic? Can you lay that out for me? 1) I forgot why I initially scumread him. I don't scumread him anymore because he put effort in. Especially right before the lynch he made so many posts it was impossible he was mafia with Kelsier because the game would end. But then I realized the guy might just be town and is mafia ml of choice within the docs. It makes a lot of sense if Noobking is town mafia is trying to kill him because we can't shoot next night anymore. There were 4 people contemplating to change from safe bet Kelsier to Noobking before Kelsier even posted. Also Noobking is townreading me. Might be TMI. Might be brilliant. 2) Just answered. I don't know the guy but making so many free flowing posts look difficult as mafia. 3) If mafia didn't know HF wasn't medic. This means that while people townread HF (I assume) nobody else voted for DF. If I was mafia and HF was town I would always use my mafia medic on DF. Always. Except when DF is mafia ofcourse. Then I would roleblock HF. The fact DF didn't die also points towards him being an actual medic. Because that is 1 medic that would for sure wouldn't follow HF and medic DF. So all in all it makes sense the guy is medic. I haven't read a single post from before I joined the game except for in the few filters I opened. So I don't know that what I think is correct. | ||
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On March 11 2018 19:42 Vivax wrote: Kelsiers strategy of trying to skate on big puppy eyes didn't quite work. Good, good. ##Vote: Koshi Tinfoil intensifies + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/weirdalfoil_2322.jpg) | ||
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On March 11 2018 19:48 rsoultin wrote: How are you reading vivax town, that's what I'd like to know? And why should I get rid of koshi's tinfoil team? (You've answered your own question. He does have reads. You may not like what his reads are, or how little they're explained, but that doesn't equate to no reads.) I would like to point out to all town people that rsoultin is town. This might be very obvious to some. But please remember it forever. This means if you follow my plan. You have a 50/50 in your 4th try to shoot a mafia. 5 names are left. We have 3 shots. rsoultin is lock town. = 4 names left. We have 3 shots. If you wonder why. It is because she is dominating the disussion and not following the thread. She wants answers and is actively solving the game. No way this is mafia rsoultin. No way. You can see how she doesn't trust HF from how she posts and that she wants HF to help her solve the game and see what she sees. But alas. HF is blind. Or pretending to be. | ||
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There is nothing wrong with just controlling 1 kill each day and night phase. I guess if Vivax afk shoots me I prefer you 3 find somebody else. If 1 of you 3 also thinks I should die it is better that the 2 other don't kill a second guy and just kill me. It's ok. Just talk about it in the thread. hmm If Vivax is town I am dead anyway I guess. blah. I guess it isn't horrible if the medics kill 2 VTs today. It shouldn't do that much. Do the math next night. More information is better for town. I also think that if 2 VTs die tonight. And 1 of them is the fakeclaiming mafia. That town autowins unless mafia medicced mafia :DD | ||
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On March 11 2018 22:30 Holyflare wrote: df IS town medic because they believed I was medic????????? so he's literally basing it on me being town and them believing me to be medic which is almost definitely what happened in the mafia QT I'll explain this again to the not braindead people that might think HF has a point. My point is that IF HF is town. Mafia will believe that DF will get a medic on his ass. So they will put their medic on DF. Which means it is really odd DF didn't die because that means none of the 3 actual town medics believed HF while he was townread and joined HF. So the fact DF didn't die makes it very likely he is either mafia. Or he is actually a town medic. It's math. Now I think I had this thought already BEFORE the mass claims. So the fact DF claimed medic later makes my scenario lean towards the DF is town medic side. I hope everybody understand. It doesn't make DF lock town medic. But it makes sense. I don't know what people thought during the early night etc. But if HF is town. and if DF is town. And there are 3 mafia in the thread who see HF call a shot on DF. Then I do not believe that those 3 mafia fail to get 1 real town medic on DF. Or at least push the idea. I think it actually points towards HF being mafia knowing mafia medic is on DF and trying to gather support. But it is still possible DF is mafia and mafia didn't want it to happen. Actually DF you should think about this line of thought more. You know whether you are town :D. it makes sense not? If DF was a simple VT I don't think he surives the night normally. With 4 medics and a fakeclaiming medic calling a shot on him. | ||
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Noobking and fefe on HF? I think those people are closest to those scumreads. | ||
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Last game of the regular season started 15 mins ago. Going to watch it. I think I said everything I wanted to say. Slam Moosy rsoultin that is a hard 50/50 between Slam and Moosy. But HF has a good shot of being mafia. Actually he kinda doesn't becuase he is making me so angry I want to fucking murder his dumb shitty ass and that makes him meta town but w.e Just kill us both. gogo. gl hf once more. | ||
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Ok. I didnt see that. Doesnt change anything. Unless anubody believes I am faking that. | ||
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On March 11 2018 23:49 darthfoley wrote: So something i've been sitting on for a while but didn't want to necessarily bring up is Vivax's scum meta. I've played a few games with Vivax, albeit not recently, but I remember he is well known for being bad at scum. I also remember people saying in previous games "scum!Vivax can play decently for a day, at most two, but after that he becomes pretty obvious." Why wouldn't you have scum!Vivax claim medic during the mass claim? It effectively takes 100% of the pressure off of him for the next 2 days, not allowing him to put his foot in his proverbial mouth. It's also a credible claim because he's been pretty townread day 1 so hey, why not? I encourage you people to control + F Vivax's filter about prplhz. Yes, prplhz didn't really give anyone much to work with, but Vivax's interactions about prplhz boil down to this: + Show Spoiler + On March 08 2018 00:45 Vivax wrote: A loveless post. This dude and this dude are town atm. I think this dude is kinda townie right now actually, for once [are you sure you didn't forget to add anything, df] Maybe this dudess is is town too because I agree with her about that dude. Lynch these three dudes for the time being. Here's an explanation for one of them: I didn't like that he didn't post both read and reasons in one post [which could be said for AMG]. Peace out. This could be a chainsaw post, but not particularly the most salient point. Fwiw, he also chainsaws AMG (who was the first on prplhz) decently hard throughout the day. Delicate null lean. It's also interesting that he claims prplhz took a similar stance as him in the AMG/TS discussion, but still calls him null. Why? Out of nowhere, Vivax now has prplhz in his two man lynch possibilities. This is not only terrible logic, but also very awkwardly worded. Idk, I just hate this post a lot. As soon as rsoultin takes Vivax up on his "prplhz or df" possibilities, Vivax immediately backs down and say "well rats, golly gee, I just don't have enough info to make a decision (despite the fact that I just talked about lynching into one of those two!) His main reason to vote TS is that he's trying to survive (NAI) other someone who hasn't voted??? Really? Prplhz was a viable lynch wagon with two votes (AMG, darthfoley) with about 50 minutes before deadline and Vivax was around. He even makes this post while prplhz has two votes on him. Credit to him for being on board with the prplhz vigdoctor, but I question the overall importance of a roleblocker in a setup like this. The medic seems infinitely more important. Roleblocker only really matters if medics split their votes, which we had decided was NOT going to happen, or if there's two medics left. Prplhz was either gonna get lynched or vigi'd sooner or later. Might as well try to gain as much town cred from it as possible. Back to being all mopey about not having alternatives. This is the second time he's literally talked about having no other alternatives. Idk but as town I rarely think in terms of "having alternatives." I'm aware that it's semantics, but I think it may point to an overall scum mindset who is by definition always trying to have alternatives. In short, Vivax's play around prplhz and the EoD in general looks too careful from my POV. I think this is a very good post btw. I would be surprised if noobking is mafia. People who have noobking as the mafia within the medocs should concentrate on his posts instead of annoying top town player Koshi. *hint hint* | ||
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Final answer. | ||
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On March 12 2018 05:26 Holyflare wrote: You can even do this so you can stop being shit. Vivax heals Holyflare. Noobking heals slam. Df heals moosy. Ff heals koshi. That way if mafia want to eliminate a vt by stacking they eliminate one of your question marks and save your town reads. Are you saying that's bad for tonight? Are you saying you'd rather chance a shot on a random guy instead of forcing mafia to play their hand? Dumbest thing I read on this site. Congratz. Take away kp from town. Hilarious. | ||
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HF and vivax are mafia. Trust me. | ||
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HF and vivax are mafia. Trust me. Even if it takes my flip. | ||
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Also. Dnu why you had to be a piece of shit hf making thay comment. I guess payback or something. Vicious circle though. Boomerang will return. | ||
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Mission accomplished. Wp Noobking and Moosy. Would probably not have lynched you. wp all. | ||
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