[M][N] Medic Mafia - Page 9

On March 11 2018 20:10 n00bKing wrote:

Nice try, but if you were Town, your fake claim accomplished nothing at all on Night 1. It may have accomplished something later...if you hadn't suddenly told everyone it was fake. But it did nothing on Night 1. It doesn't make any difference who the mafia targeted with either of those roles. The course of action I laid out made both of the mafia roles irrelevant, remember? Vivax suggested having DF heal a secret target of his choosing, while the other 2 medics picked a target to kill. THEN the mafia roles would matter. But since I shut his idea down and we all targeted prpl, the mafia roles were literally helpless. The fake medic claim could only have helped later.

Yes, if you say you're a medic that healed DF then you would need to lead a push on him under false pretenses. So you don't say that. This is why what you *would* say is that you actually healed prpl too. You say that if you told us that, people will ask why you weren't still pushing DF...how does that change any by you saying you weren't really a medic? The medic claim being fake doesn't explain why you would stop pushing DF. Being a real medic or fake medic shouldn't affect your read on him at all. So no, this is not a legitimate reason to start off Day 2 by saying the fake was claim, if you were town. There are only scum motivations to do it.

On March 11 2018 20:32 n00bKing wrote:

There's no way for you to know whether "they think you're also a town medic" in that scenario. But that doesn't even matter. There's nothing stopping them from just killing DF if that's what they want to do. "That's their only option?" No it's not. If DF is a true town medic, then even if they believe you are one too, but aren't sure whether you're telling the truth about healing him, they can just RB you and kill him anyway. There's no way for your fake claim to keep them from killing any player they want (including the revealed medic), and there was no way for their roles to keep US from killing whoever WE want.

On March 11 2018 20:45 rsoultin wrote:
HF, what happened to your points on me? You were arguing with noob that they were still valid (and I'm not going to bother addressing that again), so doesn't that mean you still believe them?

On March 11 2018 21:07 n00bKing wrote:

Sometimes terminology matters, sometimes it doesn't. I've definitely seen scum before that would speak in "absolutes" that really weren't, and notice it as a pattern of those players' scum games. Holyflare isn't one of those players, so I don't know for sure. But it's at least something that town *ideally* would not do. And saying that scum could not have killed a town DF is as objectively false as when he tried to tell me that I moved off of Tubesock while he was the leading wagon. It's just not true, and it looks like "lazy scum" to me. (An investigative town player can at least read a damn vote count. Lazy scum may not bother.) Then he talks about Vivax being the first medic claim and me being the last, like as if there's anything remotely alignment-indicative about it. He's smarter than that, right? So why is it still getting posted? Looks like lazy scum to me. Where are his salient posts about why Koshi is scum, instead of just saying "he replaced in and posted mechanics. Cool. He's mafia." I'll say this much, though: If HF is scum, then you'll definitely be right that "this argument isn't going anywhere."