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On March 08 2018 16:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 15:42 rsoultin wrote:
@Moosy, I'm not sure why I'm suddenly top town to you? I effectively forced a tube lynch with my vote, and I'm really not at all sure that prp is town. Nor do i recall you townreading him? Vivax said some interesting things and Tubesock's flip is making me redraw my town list. I am not townreading prp and I don't think I've said that? Unless I'm misinterpreting what you're trying to ask with your last question. rn the only greens I'm actually feeling are vivax and you. I need to look into noobking, AMG, holy, and darthfoley again and the whole start of the tubesock shit.
What I'm saying is I forced a town lynch with my vote, and unless you thought the counterwagons are town as well I don't understand why I'm now town to you?
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DF's read progression on me:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2018 04:59 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 17:48 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 17:08 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 17:01 rsoultin wrote:
:/
I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.
Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.
I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.
I don't think I'd get anything out of a conversation with AMG. Prickly players only scum? That's certainly not my experience at all so we don't have common ground there. And I was more interested in n00bking. Which I'm still deciding on. I still don't like hypocrisy. I think his nitpicking is his way of digging deep for more understanding so I think it's towny. Fair. Damdred lynching time then? Though I must say amg is one of the smexiest players in this game to me. It makes it harder for me to accept people not having an opinion in him. Why do you say this but then one post later claim that n00bking is the only unlynchable player at this point. Surely "smexiest" can be read to = town. So why don't you feel similarly about AMG? On March 07 2018 05:12 darthfoley wrote:
Okay i've caught up.
AMG and n00b are pretty townie ATM. I think Damdred is kinda townie right now actually, for once. Maybe rsoultin too, because I agree with her about Tubesock. He might be mafia, but not for the reasons HF is pushing. The medic thing is really NAI even if it's "strange"
Lynch pool of prplhz, FF and Tubesock for the time being. I really didn't like how FF announced his first read, then felt the need to explain why he's scumreading prplhz in the next post. I think you either 1) do both in one post or 2) announce your scum read, then explain it if asked. Just felt a tad like he's trying to make sure everyone knows he has reasoning behind his scumread, if that makes sense. On March 07 2018 05:14 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:On March 07 2018 04:59 darthfoley wrote:On March 06 2018 17:48 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 17:08 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 17:01 rsoultin wrote:
:/
I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.
Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.
I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.
I don't think I'd get anything out of a conversation with AMG. Prickly players only scum? That's certainly not my experience at all so we don't have common ground there. And I was more interested in n00bking. Which I'm still deciding on. I still don't like hypocrisy. I think his nitpicking is his way of digging deep for more understanding so I think it's towny. Fair. Damdred lynching time then? Though I must say amg is one of the smexiest players in this game to me. It makes it harder for me to accept people not having an opinion in him. Why do you say this but then one post later claim that n00bking is the only unlynchable player at this point. Surely "smexiest" can be read to = town. So why don't you feel similarly about AMG? Pardon? You made a post about how n00bking is 10000% not in your lynch pool ATM. But you seem to be heavily town reading AMG too, so I'm just confused why he wasn't part of this unlynchable pool. It's a minor inconsistency that I'm just confused about On March 07 2018 05:16 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:On March 07 2018 04:59 darthfoley wrote:On March 06 2018 17:48 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 17:08 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 17:01 rsoultin wrote:
:/
I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.
Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.
I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.
I don't think I'd get anything out of a conversation with AMG. Prickly players only scum? That's certainly not my experience at all so we don't have common ground there. And I was more interested in n00bking. Which I'm still deciding on. I still don't like hypocrisy. I think his nitpicking is his way of digging deep for more understanding so I think it's towny. Fair. Damdred lynching time then? Though I must say amg is one of the smexiest players in this game to me. It makes it harder for me to accept people not having an opinion in him. Why do you say this but then one post later claim that n00bking is the only unlynchable player at this point. Surely "smexiest" can be read to = town. So why don't you feel similarly about AMG? Pardon? Oh, I guess awarding him a cookie when I first came in thread and calling him the smexiest wasn't as obvious as I should be. AMG was and remains my top townread, with the only caveat being I've never played with him before that I recall. Just so you're aware, cookie = townread. Thus I am also now townreading Damdy. On March 07 2018 07:24 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 07:04 rsoultin wrote:
Anyway.
TLDR
- organic reads from Damdred in line with a normal D1 for him, plus easy tone earns him a cookie
- DF just being a boss and poking into good corners, while responding in a way to a scumread that doesn't resemble my impression of his scum play outweighs any meh feels about his afking earlier
Hopefully that clears things up for you. I think you're probably even more likely town for your read on me (sadly), so carry on. I'm not voting on rsoultin today I think. Tonally town and again I think her reason to townread me makes sense based off of our short playing history etc. I'm just not seeing what Moosy is. I'm gonna look at his filter later. On March 07 2018 07:25 darthfoley wrote:
Like I can see myself having a similar weak scum read on someone who did what I did. At least to stir the pot a bit cuz at the time she made that read, the thread was a "poop on tubesock" fest iirc On March 07 2018 07:27 darthfoley wrote:
n00b/rsoultin/AMG/Damdred is my town list ATM
I don't see this as 'he just called rsoul town several times and asked irrelevant questions' (the fourth quote was my response to his question to contextualize it).
That to me reads like noticing something odd while catching up, a very light maybe townread once caught up, then that townread solidifies after my answering his question and responding to moosy about my reads. Also, the second-to-last quote indicates he's thinking about whether what I was scumreading him for makes sense from a town perspective, which I think is a normal reaction to being scumread by someone (i.e. being more interested in their alignment). Followed by an updated town list.
There is nothing about that read progression that strikes me as unnatural and I'm not sure why HF is reading it differently.
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On March 08 2018 17:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 17:13 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 16:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 08 2018 15:42 rsoultin wrote:
@Moosy, I'm not sure why I'm suddenly top town to you? I effectively forced a tube lynch with my vote, and I'm really not at all sure that prp is town. Nor do i recall you townreading him? Vivax said some interesting things and Tubesock's flip is making me redraw my town list. I am not townreading prp and I don't think I've said that? Unless I'm misinterpreting what you're trying to ask with your last question. rn the only greens I'm actually feeling are vivax and you. I need to look into noobking, AMG, holy, and darthfoley again and the whole start of the tubesock shit. What I'm saying is I forced a town lynch with my vote, and unless you thought the counterwagons are town as well I don't understand why I'm now town to you? I've looked through your filter at least 10 times at this point. Also as the game's gone on your thought process has become a lot more like mine. As for wagons and such, it's why I said I need to look again at the specific people that I listed.
I thought it might be that given your EoD posting and your initial reason for scumreading me in the first place, but didn't want to assume. Okay.
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On March 08 2018 08:56 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 08:14 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 08:03 darthfoley wrote:
Meh I thought we got him considering he was lurking at deadline Yeah... I'm actually warming up to Vivax's AMG read more. On March 08 2018 07:16 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 06:56 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2018 06:03 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Follow up by AMG looks better at glance given he sticks his head in many different places and generally gives off a vibe of wanting to do stuff which is a plus for him on D1. Doesn't allow me to exclude him as mafia though.
I don't see what would have required catching up in regards to his initial tubesock read however. It remains a read that is essentially based on Tube being prickly entirely, except that the actual vote happens only when Noobking votes.
His initial impression that Tube is prickly goes from being an observation to an explanation for why it is scummy to a vote for other reasons.
It looks like he reacts to his own posts to keep up a narrative in this case.
I see it like this could have happened:
Townie overreacts to other townie, AMG spots possible fault by TS, calls him prickly but doesn't go with it anywhere. So he needs to make a followup posts telling us that he thinks it's a mafia trait cause the previous post alone in the room would look bad.
Only when Noobking attacks Tubesock AMG decides to vote for him, and he does it by rehashing/agreeing with what Noobking said.
So AMG was kind of looking for reasons to get onto Tubesock purely for the reason he called him prickly already, and since his own reason didn't get enough pull, he only felt like he had the opportunity to do so when Noobking voted first.
This is summed up what's not right with AMG in my opinion. You completely overlook the reason I take issue with tubesock which I've gone over two or three times now. His pricklyness catches my eye, as did him having a read that conflicted with mine, so I challenged his read. He refused to discuss anything with me at all, like he didn't give a shit about my alignment and had no drive to find out why I had a different opinion to him. Except all of this happened not at once but you went from prickly->didn't fight your read->disengaged in your argumentation where you placed your vote at the final one after noobking did. So I can see you as mafia just building on your previous posts reacting to what you wrote to create a tubesock scumread which was consistent with what you already wrote, especially cause of your decision on when to place the vote (when another one already did) _____ I am actually open to the idea I'm wrong on either of you atm and after reading a bit of tube (since he talks about himself instead of finding mafia most of the time, but could be cause he's been in the defensive). And cause I'm always hesitant to lynch possible assets D1 I'm checking if there might be other ones worth lynching over df. Since you are so hung up on tube though I'd expect you to bring forward something more than what you already have and your read on him hasn't evolved much from that point onwards. I'm a single parent that works. Activity will not be consistent. And when I return to the thread with a point to make, only to see someone has already said it, I see no need to repeat what I'm saying. And if you can't follow along with my thought process on why I've stepped away from my tubesock read, and, i was being nice about it up until this point, I'll absolutely spell it out for you: he's playing too stupid for me to expect logical and sensible responses and play from and I've gleaned that from our most recent conversation. Therefore I wont be calling him scum for not living up to the expectations that I have of him, I'm going to call him dumb town and move on to discussing other players. So I was about to say that there is no way this lines up with the 'doesn't feel like scum' reaction to Tube not trying to make reads to save himself. But I think I'd rather ask you to reconcile those two, AMG, if you can. The thing for me is while I liked some of his posting independently, the scumreads are pretty boring. "You didn't talk to me when I had a different read" @tube "You said people when I only am scumreading one person" "you say you'd normally agree with the reasoning for the tube lynch" (and be wrong) "but you take issue with me jumping on it for a different reason" @prp There's like nothing whatsoever to these scumreads. By contrast, his townreads are fairly well-reasoned. I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to do here? I don't know how I can further illustrate my thought process more than what i've already put into the thread without just repeating myself. I know what it feels like when I've latched onto a scum, tubesock didn't feel like that, he felt like incoherent town. You're welcome to think my reads are boring, I disagree, I was once upon a time known for making reads that fly in the face of thread sentiment (see tubesock read) and I do not apologize for that.
I'm asking you how you can reconcile:
1) Tube is town because he's not coming back with a scumread (i.e. not trying to save himself a la vivax)
and
2) Tube is town because nothing he says makes sense and I can't hold him to that standard.
You gave two separate narratives for your townread that do not appear to go together to me. Maybe I'm just a dunce and there's a connection I'm not seeing, but it almost seems like you forgot your reason.
Not a huge issue by itself, but I also take issue with your scumreads.
Townreads:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 06 2018 15:24 AMG wrote:
Being prickly is scummy. You have to accept that people are going to ping you in this game. A prickly reaction usually comes from someone trying to hide something and reacting poorly.
I don't have an opinion for or against people discussing strategy or mass claiming. I'll be spending my calories focusing on the psychology of players as opposed to trying to game mechanics.
I don't find noobking scummy at all, I'm actually pretty certain he's town
On March 07 2018 06:04 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 05:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@Damdred and @noobking. What do you guys think about what I've said about rsoultin so far? Also anyone else that cares to contribute. I don't get malice when I read rsoultins filter. It's care free and fun. I think there are absolutely better lynches to be had elsewhere, but I think your heart is in the right place. On March 07 2018 11:12 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 10:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 10:53 AMG wrote:
You don't feel like mafia.
My vote is in the wrong place.
##Unvote What about what Tubesock said makes you think he's not Mafia? Hes not squirming like mafia do. That and hes advocating a 'wait and see' approach on the only other wagon to himself.... which is a person who hasn't even posted yet. From that Ill extrapolate that they're either mafia together, or Tubesock isn't mafia. Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there. I find his thought process on n00bking strange, but it feels town strange. I feel like hes getting hung up on something irrelevant, and that's something I associate with townies. Scum, on average, on the other hand get hung up on something relevant, but tiny, and then blow it out of proportion. On March 07 2018 11:19 AMG wrote:
His grand return to the thread after copping heat is to return, declare hes got no scum reads, and hes aware that'll probably kill him. And stick to his guns that n00bking is doing scummy things, but isn't scum.
None of this seems calculated like mafia play at all.
On re-reading your filter, I don't have as much of an issue with the townreads because they weren't quite as well-reasoned as I remember. I don't know why I thought that you had a fleshed read on noob...probably because it was what initially made me townread you because I also thought noob was pretty clearly town. The moosy townread is also unreasoned and just in passing.
Your townread is pretty good on me, though. And the tube townread is well-reasoned if not something I agreed on (or still agree on in principle, though obviously you were right).
Scumreads:
+ Show Spoiler [Tubesock] +On March 06 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:
Tubesock, I implied you were mafia by your reaction and said someone you thought was scummy was almost certainly town.. you dont think either of those warrants further investigation or a response? On March 06 2018 20:45 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 18:01 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 17:08 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 17:01 rsoultin wrote:
:/
I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.
Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.
I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.
I don't think I'd get anything out of a conversation with AMG. Prickly players only scum? That's certainly not my experience at all so we don't have common ground there. And I was more interested in n00bking. Which I'm still deciding on. I still don't like hypocrisy. I think his nitpicking is his way of digging deep for more understanding so I think it's towny. Ugh. I don't like any of that post. Being "more interested in n00bking" isn't a good reason to avoid any discussion with AMG. You can talk to 2 players at once, you know. Keeping a singular focus on one topic helps to keep you from needing to develop opinions on any other subject, and that's not good. And even if you thought you had "no common ground" with him about what makes players prickly (and even if you thought discussing the disagreement with him wouldn't help you determine whether he actually sees it differently, or is just pretending to) you could have just talked to him about something else instead. Like...you could have talked to him about the thing you were "more interested in." ME! Why not ask him why he has the townread on me? He might share something that changes your mind. Or you might share something that changes his. Having NO desire to discuss me with someone who takes the opposite opinion just makes it look like you already know my allegiance.'splain yourself. ##Vote: Tubesock Basically, this. ##Vote: TubesockBottom line, i'm 1/13th of the game and you don't seem to care to engage me, I'd like to know why. And saying we disagree on one point is absolutely not an answer.
^ This is pretty weak. And voting after noob does for the same reason you already stated doesn't make it feel better to me. I'm willing to let that pass as early game scumreads, because it's not like mine were super stellar or anything and I'm also having trouble finding scum this game.
But
+ Show Spoiler [prplhz] +On March 06 2018 20:50 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. You think me making excuses to scum read people. What people? I have implied one person was scum and did not like their follow up. One person.
So you find my opinion on or attempt at discussion with Tubesock to be forced, or I don't believe what i'm saying when i'm saying it? On March 07 2018 13:16 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. The more I read this post, the less I like it. You think the Tubesock push is something you'd normally like, but then be wrong about... so you agree with the logic? And then I'm making excuses to be on that wagon, the one you would normally like?If you'd normally like this kind of push, but you're opting out, what gives. Why are you going against your better judgement in this one?
This scumread just sets off my bullshit meter. My slight tonal read on prp is entirely based on him saying it looks like something he'd like but be wrong about. And if people don't find that to be slightly towny I entirely understand because it's just a gut feel. So lynch prp for that. This he said people when you only mentioned one thing is a bad reason. (Yeah, sorry DF. But it is. It's not much different than the Tube push.)
That's not even what pings me though. What pings me is this second one. You clearly understand that he
1) Agrees with the logic you were not pushing
2) Thinks he'd be wrong about it, i.e. Tube's town
3) You had a different reason
So why do you assume it's unnatural for someone to find it scummy for tacking on a reason that they don't agree with to what they think is a town wagon?
To be fair, I'm not as sure on this read as I was last night. I was poking through your filter for your scumreads, really hated the prp one, and remembered your townreads being better than they were.
It's a strawman argument to claim that you are known for your reads being hipster when I was saying that you can't seem to put together a good scumread but your townreads are good. (This to me is scummy because I feel that scum has an easier time making good townreads than good scumreads, for obvious reasons).
However, I don't think my impression was entirely correct.
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On March 08 2018 17:37 Alakaslam wrote:
Only to sleep I work tomorrow holy shit that was a wait now I will be all antsy at work and no one will know why
Lol, I have to admit that I've missed you <3
Elaborate on noob once you get back?
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TLDR on AMG
Not as sure he's scum anymore but I really do hate his prp scumread.
It also appears that my memory of his 'strong' early play was wrong, just as my impression of his townreads was incorrect. Not sure why I was towning him so hard in the first place @.@
The irony is I'm really not sure prp isn't scum so meh.
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On March 08 2018 17:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 17:29 rsoultin wrote:DF's read progression on me: + Show Spoiler +On March 07 2018 04:59 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 17:48 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 17:08 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 17:01 rsoultin wrote:
:/
I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.
Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.
I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.
I don't think I'd get anything out of a conversation with AMG. Prickly players only scum? That's certainly not my experience at all so we don't have common ground there. And I was more interested in n00bking. Which I'm still deciding on. I still don't like hypocrisy. I think his nitpicking is his way of digging deep for more understanding so I think it's towny. Fair. Damdred lynching time then? Though I must say amg is one of the smexiest players in this game to me. It makes it harder for me to accept people not having an opinion in him. Why do you say this but then one post later claim that n00bking is the only unlynchable player at this point. Surely "smexiest" can be read to = town. So why don't you feel similarly about AMG? On March 07 2018 05:12 darthfoley wrote:
Okay i've caught up.
AMG and n00b are pretty townie ATM. I think Damdred is kinda townie right now actually, for once. Maybe rsoultin too, because I agree with her about Tubesock. He might be mafia, but not for the reasons HF is pushing. The medic thing is really NAI even if it's "strange"
Lynch pool of prplhz, FF and Tubesock for the time being. I really didn't like how FF announced his first read, then felt the need to explain why he's scumreading prplhz in the next post. I think you either 1) do both in one post or 2) announce your scum read, then explain it if asked. Just felt a tad like he's trying to make sure everyone knows he has reasoning behind his scumread, if that makes sense. On March 07 2018 05:14 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:On March 07 2018 04:59 darthfoley wrote:On March 06 2018 17:48 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 17:08 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 17:01 rsoultin wrote:
:/
I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.
Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.
I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.
I don't think I'd get anything out of a conversation with AMG. Prickly players only scum? That's certainly not my experience at all so we don't have common ground there. And I was more interested in n00bking. Which I'm still deciding on. I still don't like hypocrisy. I think his nitpicking is his way of digging deep for more understanding so I think it's towny. Fair. Damdred lynching time then? Though I must say amg is one of the smexiest players in this game to me. It makes it harder for me to accept people not having an opinion in him. Why do you say this but then one post later claim that n00bking is the only unlynchable player at this point. Surely "smexiest" can be read to = town. So why don't you feel similarly about AMG? Pardon? You made a post about how n00bking is 10000% not in your lynch pool ATM. But you seem to be heavily town reading AMG too, so I'm just confused why he wasn't part of this unlynchable pool. It's a minor inconsistency that I'm just confused about On March 07 2018 05:16 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:On March 07 2018 04:59 darthfoley wrote:On March 06 2018 17:48 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 17:08 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 17:01 rsoultin wrote:
:/
I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.
Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.
I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.
I don't think I'd get anything out of a conversation with AMG. Prickly players only scum? That's certainly not my experience at all so we don't have common ground there. And I was more interested in n00bking. Which I'm still deciding on. I still don't like hypocrisy. I think his nitpicking is his way of digging deep for more understanding so I think it's towny. Fair. Damdred lynching time then? Though I must say amg is one of the smexiest players in this game to me. It makes it harder for me to accept people not having an opinion in him. Why do you say this but then one post later claim that n00bking is the only unlynchable player at this point. Surely "smexiest" can be read to = town. So why don't you feel similarly about AMG? Pardon? Oh, I guess awarding him a cookie when I first came in thread and calling him the smexiest wasn't as obvious as I should be. AMG was and remains my top townread, with the only caveat being I've never played with him before that I recall. Just so you're aware, cookie = townread. Thus I am also now townreading Damdy. On March 07 2018 07:24 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 07:04 rsoultin wrote:
Anyway.
TLDR
- organic reads from Damdred in line with a normal D1 for him, plus easy tone earns him a cookie
- DF just being a boss and poking into good corners, while responding in a way to a scumread that doesn't resemble my impression of his scum play outweighs any meh feels about his afking earlier
Hopefully that clears things up for you. I think you're probably even more likely town for your read on me (sadly), so carry on. I'm not voting on rsoultin today I think. Tonally town and again I think her reason to townread me makes sense based off of our short playing history etc. I'm just not seeing what Moosy is. I'm gonna look at his filter later. On March 07 2018 07:25 darthfoley wrote:
Like I can see myself having a similar weak scum read on someone who did what I did. At least to stir the pot a bit cuz at the time she made that read, the thread was a "poop on tubesock" fest iirc On March 07 2018 07:27 darthfoley wrote:
n00b/rsoultin/AMG/Damdred is my town list ATM I don't see this as 'he just called rsoul town several times and asked irrelevant questions' (the fourth quote was my response to his question to contextualize it). That to me reads like noticing something odd while catching up, a very light maybe townread once caught up, then that townread solidifies after my answering his question and responding to moosy about my reads. Also, the second-to-last quote indicates he's thinking about whether what I was scumreading him for makes sense from a town perspective, which I think is a normal reaction to being scumread by someone (i.e. being more interested in their alignment). Followed by an updated town list. There is nothing about that read progression that strikes me as unnatural and I'm not sure why HF is reading it differently. You and I are reading different games then. He asks you a question about an irrelevant inconsistency. What does be gain from knowing you town read both? If you were mafia why does this inconsistency occur etc. It's irrelevant. Before you even answer he's throwing you a town read for thought process on tube. Then when you throw him a town read he buddies you and says that's what he'd expect. The town read wasn't even big or good from you to him. Its an overblown reactionary reason to call you town.
Ask him. I know why I might, but I'm not putting words in his mouth.
I'm not really understanding your townreading me for townreading him thing at all.
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On March 08 2018 18:15 KelsierSC wrote:
hi guys, looking forward to playing this one. when do we start?
-shoos-
Unless you're saying you're already caught up, this post is unnecessary.
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On March 08 2018 18:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 18:11 rsoultin wrote:
TLDR on AMG
Not as sure he's scum anymore but I really do hate his prp scumread.
It also appears that my memory of his 'strong' early play was wrong, just as my impression of his townreads was incorrect. Not sure why I was towning him so hard in the first place @.@
The irony is I'm really not sure prp isn't scum so meh. tonally amg is very appealingly town wise. It's like if you took holyflare and removed all of holyflare's coarseness.
? In what sense? Making sense?
Because that's part of why the prp read bugs me. It doesn't. At all. And he does, in fact, appear to be someone who I can expect to make sense.
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On March 08 2018 18:17 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 18:16 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 18:15 KelsierSC wrote:
hi guys, looking forward to playing this one. when do we start? -shoos- Unless you're saying you're already caught up, this post is unnecessary. can we calm down a little bit? I will read through now
Frankly, your finding the need to post a joke here about afking over 48 hours before even starting to read doesn't sit well with me. Obviously it's not something I'd push in a vacuum but yeah.
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Okay, I'm going to poof again for awhile. I'll take yet another look at df's filter, just for you, HF. Maybe he is pocketing me and I'm just a chump.
Meh, who am I kidding. I probably have to do a meta dive on him. His play feels fine to me but your main gripe seems to actually be it's not good enough for his town play, and the fact is I don't think I've played with a town DF as town recently. Maybe ever. Am I correct to say that your main issue is meta-based, HF? Because I think that it's possible my expectations are just not high enough.
Breakfast time now, though.
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On March 08 2018 18:29 Holyflare wrote:
No?? How is it meta to say all he has done this game is question things with no follow up and just ask a question to his town read?
Lol it isn't.
I'll look again and still do the meta dive. I don't know if he's pocketed me or what but I just don't get scummy feels from his filter. I've re-read it several times already.
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On March 08 2018 19:04 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 18:07 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 08:56 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 08:14 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 08:03 darthfoley wrote:
Meh I thought we got him considering he was lurking at deadline Yeah... I'm actually warming up to Vivax's AMG read more. On March 08 2018 07:16 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 06:56 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2018 06:03 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Follow up by AMG looks better at glance given he sticks his head in many different places and generally gives off a vibe of wanting to do stuff which is a plus for him on D1. Doesn't allow me to exclude him as mafia though.
I don't see what would have required catching up in regards to his initial tubesock read however. It remains a read that is essentially based on Tube being prickly entirely, except that the actual vote happens only when Noobking votes.
His initial impression that Tube is prickly goes from being an observation to an explanation for why it is scummy to a vote for other reasons.
It looks like he reacts to his own posts to keep up a narrative in this case.
I see it like this could have happened:
Townie overreacts to other townie, AMG spots possible fault by TS, calls him prickly but doesn't go with it anywhere. So he needs to make a followup posts telling us that he thinks it's a mafia trait cause the previous post alone in the room would look bad.
Only when Noobking attacks Tubesock AMG decides to vote for him, and he does it by rehashing/agreeing with what Noobking said.
So AMG was kind of looking for reasons to get onto Tubesock purely for the reason he called him prickly already, and since his own reason didn't get enough pull, he only felt like he had the opportunity to do so when Noobking voted first.
This is summed up what's not right with AMG in my opinion. You completely overlook the reason I take issue with tubesock which I've gone over two or three times now. His pricklyness catches my eye, as did him having a read that conflicted with mine, so I challenged his read. He refused to discuss anything with me at all, like he didn't give a shit about my alignment and had no drive to find out why I had a different opinion to him. Except all of this happened not at once but you went from prickly->didn't fight your read->disengaged in your argumentation where you placed your vote at the final one after noobking did. So I can see you as mafia just building on your previous posts reacting to what you wrote to create a tubesock scumread which was consistent with what you already wrote, especially cause of your decision on when to place the vote (when another one already did) _____ I am actually open to the idea I'm wrong on either of you atm and after reading a bit of tube (since he talks about himself instead of finding mafia most of the time, but could be cause he's been in the defensive). And cause I'm always hesitant to lynch possible assets D1 I'm checking if there might be other ones worth lynching over df. Since you are so hung up on tube though I'd expect you to bring forward something more than what you already have and your read on him hasn't evolved much from that point onwards. I'm a single parent that works. Activity will not be consistent. And when I return to the thread with a point to make, only to see someone has already said it, I see no need to repeat what I'm saying. And if you can't follow along with my thought process on why I've stepped away from my tubesock read, and, i was being nice about it up until this point, I'll absolutely spell it out for you: he's playing too stupid for me to expect logical and sensible responses and play from and I've gleaned that from our most recent conversation. Therefore I wont be calling him scum for not living up to the expectations that I have of him, I'm going to call him dumb town and move on to discussing other players. So I was about to say that there is no way this lines up with the 'doesn't feel like scum' reaction to Tube not trying to make reads to save himself. But I think I'd rather ask you to reconcile those two, AMG, if you can. The thing for me is while I liked some of his posting independently, the scumreads are pretty boring. "You didn't talk to me when I had a different read" @tube "You said people when I only am scumreading one person" "you say you'd normally agree with the reasoning for the tube lynch" (and be wrong) "but you take issue with me jumping on it for a different reason" @prp There's like nothing whatsoever to these scumreads. By contrast, his townreads are fairly well-reasoned. I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to do here? I don't know how I can further illustrate my thought process more than what i've already put into the thread without just repeating myself. I know what it feels like when I've latched onto a scum, tubesock didn't feel like that, he felt like incoherent town. You're welcome to think my reads are boring, I disagree, I was once upon a time known for making reads that fly in the face of thread sentiment (see tubesock read) and I do not apologize for that. I'm asking you how you can reconcile: 1) Tube is town because he's not coming back with a scumread (i.e. not trying to save himself a la vivax) and 2) Tube is town because nothing he says makes sense and I can't hold him to that standard. You gave two separate narratives for your townread that do not appear to go together to me. Maybe I'm just a dunce and there's a connection I'm not seeing, but it almost seems like you forgot your reason. Why do I only get to have one reason to town read someone? Tube came back, did not do what I was expecting a scum Tube to do, and then continued to talk the same brand of nonsense he was before he disappeared. I got fed up with trying to have an actual conversation with him and realised that this isn't something you can fake as scum, ergo town and I was done speaking with him. Now lets discuss how I scum hunt since you haven't seen the pattern. I see something off. I ping them with a (occasionally obnoxious) statement. They answer, that either satisfies me and I keep walking or I dig until I get a reaction i'm satisfied with. I was unable to finish that with prplhz since he never bloody came back. My reads are much more accurate through direct interaction, as opposed to observation, where I am notoriously shit (see the last 2-3 obs threads).
Sure, but usually I don't expect two different answers to the same question like the first no longer exists.
Perhaps. Could you explain your prp read to me like I'm two? Particularly your issue with his scumreading you while liking others' reasoning on your scumread.
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On March 08 2018 20:38 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 19:57 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 19:04 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 18:07 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 08:56 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 08:14 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 08:03 darthfoley wrote:
Meh I thought we got him considering he was lurking at deadline Yeah... I'm actually warming up to Vivax's AMG read more. On March 08 2018 07:16 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 06:56 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2018 06:03 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Follow up by AMG looks better at glance given he sticks his head in many different places and generally gives off a vibe of wanting to do stuff which is a plus for him on D1. Doesn't allow me to exclude him as mafia though.
I don't see what would have required catching up in regards to his initial tubesock read however. It remains a read that is essentially based on Tube being prickly entirely, except that the actual vote happens only when Noobking votes.
His initial impression that Tube is prickly goes from being an observation to an explanation for why it is scummy to a vote for other reasons.
It looks like he reacts to his own posts to keep up a narrative in this case.
I see it like this could have happened:
Townie overreacts to other townie, AMG spots possible fault by TS, calls him prickly but doesn't go with it anywhere. So he needs to make a followup posts telling us that he thinks it's a mafia trait cause the previous post alone in the room would look bad.
Only when Noobking attacks Tubesock AMG decides to vote for him, and he does it by rehashing/agreeing with what Noobking said.
So AMG was kind of looking for reasons to get onto Tubesock purely for the reason he called him prickly already, and since his own reason didn't get enough pull, he only felt like he had the opportunity to do so when Noobking voted first.
This is summed up what's not right with AMG in my opinion. You completely overlook the reason I take issue with tubesock which I've gone over two or three times now. His pricklyness catches my eye, as did him having a read that conflicted with mine, so I challenged his read. He refused to discuss anything with me at all, like he didn't give a shit about my alignment and had no drive to find out why I had a different opinion to him. Except all of this happened not at once but you went from prickly->didn't fight your read->disengaged in your argumentation where you placed your vote at the final one after noobking did. So I can see you as mafia just building on your previous posts reacting to what you wrote to create a tubesock scumread which was consistent with what you already wrote, especially cause of your decision on when to place the vote (when another one already did) _____ I am actually open to the idea I'm wrong on either of you atm and after reading a bit of tube (since he talks about himself instead of finding mafia most of the time, but could be cause he's been in the defensive). And cause I'm always hesitant to lynch possible assets D1 I'm checking if there might be other ones worth lynching over df. Since you are so hung up on tube though I'd expect you to bring forward something more than what you already have and your read on him hasn't evolved much from that point onwards. I'm a single parent that works. Activity will not be consistent. And when I return to the thread with a point to make, only to see someone has already said it, I see no need to repeat what I'm saying. And if you can't follow along with my thought process on why I've stepped away from my tubesock read, and, i was being nice about it up until this point, I'll absolutely spell it out for you: he's playing too stupid for me to expect logical and sensible responses and play from and I've gleaned that from our most recent conversation. Therefore I wont be calling him scum for not living up to the expectations that I have of him, I'm going to call him dumb town and move on to discussing other players. So I was about to say that there is no way this lines up with the 'doesn't feel like scum' reaction to Tube not trying to make reads to save himself. But I think I'd rather ask you to reconcile those two, AMG, if you can. The thing for me is while I liked some of his posting independently, the scumreads are pretty boring. "You didn't talk to me when I had a different read" @tube "You said people when I only am scumreading one person" "you say you'd normally agree with the reasoning for the tube lynch" (and be wrong) "but you take issue with me jumping on it for a different reason" @prp There's like nothing whatsoever to these scumreads. By contrast, his townreads are fairly well-reasoned. I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to do here? I don't know how I can further illustrate my thought process more than what i've already put into the thread without just repeating myself. I know what it feels like when I've latched onto a scum, tubesock didn't feel like that, he felt like incoherent town. You're welcome to think my reads are boring, I disagree, I was once upon a time known for making reads that fly in the face of thread sentiment (see tubesock read) and I do not apologize for that. I'm asking you how you can reconcile: 1) Tube is town because he's not coming back with a scumread (i.e. not trying to save himself a la vivax) and 2) Tube is town because nothing he says makes sense and I can't hold him to that standard. You gave two separate narratives for your townread that do not appear to go together to me. Maybe I'm just a dunce and there's a connection I'm not seeing, but it almost seems like you forgot your reason. Why do I only get to have one reason to town read someone? Tube came back, did not do what I was expecting a scum Tube to do, and then continued to talk the same brand of nonsense he was before he disappeared. I got fed up with trying to have an actual conversation with him and realised that this isn't something you can fake as scum, ergo town and I was done speaking with him. Now lets discuss how I scum hunt since you haven't seen the pattern. I see something off. I ping them with a (occasionally obnoxious) statement. They answer, that either satisfies me and I keep walking or I dig until I get a reaction i'm satisfied with. I was unable to finish that with prplhz since he never bloody came back. My reads are much more accurate through direct interaction, as opposed to observation, where I am notoriously shit (see the last 2-3 obs threads). Sure, but usually I don't expect two different answers to the same question like the first no longer exists. Perhaps. Could you explain your prp read to me like I'm two? Particularly your issue with his scumreading you while liking others' reasoning on your scumread. Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 12:36 AMG wrote:On March 07 2018 12:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:06 Tubesock wrote:
I asked AMG for clarification about his "Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there" to see if it was a scum read on Fecalfeast or Rsoultin since they are the only ones pushing the Vivax lynch. Turns out he was just speaking generally so it's not a breadcrumb read. LOL I wasn't grasping at straws to scum AMG.
Moosy, do you have any scum reads outside of me? Like I'm pretty sure I'm an easy scumread since the majority of the thread scums me.... Also, I didn't think you were grasping at straws to scum AMG, I'm thinking you're grasping at straws to scum Fecal or anyone you can to get in with alignment with AMG who's thrown you the first life rope. Well, that's not happening. In case its not painfully obvious, the other person that's caught my interest today is prplhz. His attack on me was shit and I want to hear more out of him before I make my mind up for today. Frankly, Tubesock just doesn't seem to be operating on a coherent wavelength to me. At all. Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 13:16 AMG wrote:On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. The more I read this post, the less I like it. You think the Tubesock push is something you'd normally like, but then be wrong about... so you agree with the logic? And then I'm making excuses to be on that wagon, the one you would normally like? If you'd normally like this kind of push, but you're opting out, what gives. Why are you going against your better judgement in this one?
-snorts-
Do you honestly think that quoting the things I saw and quoted as a bs scumread is somehow going to magically help me understand your point of view if you're town?
What the hell do you even find scummy about that?
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On March 08 2018 20:48 Holyflare wrote:
Amg
Moosy
Vivax
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Noob
Rsoultin
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Damdred - null
Fecalfeast - have read 0 things
Alakaslam
KelsierSC
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Prplhz
Darthfoley
Damdred and below is lynchable.
And amg is town because?
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On March 08 2018 20:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 20:48 Holyflare wrote:
Amg
Moosy
Vivax
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Noob
Rsoultin
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Damdred - null
Fecalfeast - have read 0 things
Alakaslam
KelsierSC
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Prplhz
Darthfoley
Damdred and below is lynchable.
And amg is town because?
Also, thanks for marking the null line for me 
Pft I have to go. But yeah, I want to try to understand your amg read.
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On March 08 2018 20:53 Holyflare wrote:
I've liked his responses in a way that makes me feel he's towny? Couldn't really care if he's only said little things on town reads because he's said them before other people and at times when I've been thinking them. Such as the noob town read at the start. Ignore the tube thing because that's an anomaly.
That's not my issue with him. In fact the little town reads I approve of an makes me question it.
I don't mind a town read based on tone per se (not that hypocritical) just have no idea how he can be above noob and viva for you. Maybe even moosy too.
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On March 08 2018 20:56 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 20:49 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 20:38 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 19:57 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 19:04 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 18:07 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 08:56 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 08:14 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 08:03 darthfoley wrote:
Meh I thought we got him considering he was lurking at deadline Yeah... I'm actually warming up to Vivax's AMG read more. On March 08 2018 07:16 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 06:56 Vivax wrote:
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Except all of this happened not at once but you went from prickly->didn't fight your read->disengaged in your argumentation where you placed your vote at the final one after noobking did.
So I can see you as mafia just building on your previous posts reacting to what you wrote to create a tubesock scumread which was consistent with what you already wrote, especially cause of your decision on when to place the vote (when another one already did)
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I am actually open to the idea I'm wrong on either of you atm and after reading a bit of tube (since he talks about himself instead of finding mafia most of the time, but could be cause he's been in the defensive).
And cause I'm always hesitant to lynch possible assets D1 I'm checking if there might be other ones worth lynching over df.
Since you are so hung up on tube though I'd expect you to bring forward something more than what you already have and your read on him hasn't evolved much from that point onwards. I'm a single parent that works. Activity will not be consistent. And when I return to the thread with a point to make, only to see someone has already said it, I see no need to repeat what I'm saying. And if you can't follow along with my thought process on why I've stepped away from my tubesock read, and, i was being nice about it up until this point, I'll absolutely spell it out for you: he's playing too stupid for me to expect logical and sensible responses and play from and I've gleaned that from our most recent conversation. Therefore I wont be calling him scum for not living up to the expectations that I have of him, I'm going to call him dumb town and move on to discussing other players. So I was about to say that there is no way this lines up with the 'doesn't feel like scum' reaction to Tube not trying to make reads to save himself. But I think I'd rather ask you to reconcile those two, AMG, if you can. The thing for me is while I liked some of his posting independently, the scumreads are pretty boring. "You didn't talk to me when I had a different read" @tube "You said people when I only am scumreading one person" "you say you'd normally agree with the reasoning for the tube lynch" (and be wrong) "but you take issue with me jumping on it for a different reason" @prp There's like nothing whatsoever to these scumreads. By contrast, his townreads are fairly well-reasoned. I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to do here? I don't know how I can further illustrate my thought process more than what i've already put into the thread without just repeating myself. I know what it feels like when I've latched onto a scum, tubesock didn't feel like that, he felt like incoherent town. You're welcome to think my reads are boring, I disagree, I was once upon a time known for making reads that fly in the face of thread sentiment (see tubesock read) and I do not apologize for that. I'm asking you how you can reconcile: 1) Tube is town because he's not coming back with a scumread (i.e. not trying to save himself a la vivax) and 2) Tube is town because nothing he says makes sense and I can't hold him to that standard. You gave two separate narratives for your townread that do not appear to go together to me. Maybe I'm just a dunce and there's a connection I'm not seeing, but it almost seems like you forgot your reason. Why do I only get to have one reason to town read someone? Tube came back, did not do what I was expecting a scum Tube to do, and then continued to talk the same brand of nonsense he was before he disappeared. I got fed up with trying to have an actual conversation with him and realised that this isn't something you can fake as scum, ergo town and I was done speaking with him. Now lets discuss how I scum hunt since you haven't seen the pattern. I see something off. I ping them with a (occasionally obnoxious) statement. They answer, that either satisfies me and I keep walking or I dig until I get a reaction i'm satisfied with. I was unable to finish that with prplhz since he never bloody came back. My reads are much more accurate through direct interaction, as opposed to observation, where I am notoriously shit (see the last 2-3 obs threads). Sure, but usually I don't expect two different answers to the same question like the first no longer exists. Perhaps. Could you explain your prp read to me like I'm two? Particularly your issue with his scumreading you while liking others' reasoning on your scumread. On March 07 2018 12:36 AMG wrote:On March 07 2018 12:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:06 Tubesock wrote:
I asked AMG for clarification about his "Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there" to see if it was a scum read on Fecalfeast or Rsoultin since they are the only ones pushing the Vivax lynch. Turns out he was just speaking generally so it's not a breadcrumb read. LOL I wasn't grasping at straws to scum AMG.
Moosy, do you have any scum reads outside of me? Like I'm pretty sure I'm an easy scumread since the majority of the thread scums me.... Also, I didn't think you were grasping at straws to scum AMG, I'm thinking you're grasping at straws to scum Fecal or anyone you can to get in with alignment with AMG who's thrown you the first life rope. Well, that's not happening. In case its not painfully obvious, the other person that's caught my interest today is prplhz. His attack on me was shit and I want to hear more out of him before I make my mind up for today. Frankly, Tubesock just doesn't seem to be operating on a coherent wavelength to me. At all. On March 07 2018 13:16 AMG wrote:On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. The more I read this post, the less I like it. You think the Tubesock push is something you'd normally like, but then be wrong about... so you agree with the logic? And then I'm making excuses to be on that wagon, the one you would normally like? If you'd normally like this kind of push, but you're opting out, what gives. Why are you going against your better judgement in this one? -snorts- Do you honestly think that quoting the things I saw and quoted as a bs scumread is somehow going to magically help me understand your point of view if you're town? What the hell do you even find scummy about that? No I'm just getting damn sick of repeating myself. If you can't follow along with my thought processes on those above posts then.. well I give up ?
Im not asking you to repeat yourself. I understand that you say that you think it's scummy for someone to scumread you for jumping on a wagon for a different reason than the one they generally find compelling but would probably be wrong about.
I want to understand WHY you think the above is scummy.
Because to me his reasoning is obvious.
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On March 08 2018 21:07 Holyflare wrote:I also really dislike your post on amg and think it's extreme hypocrisy. You base half of it saying his prplhz read is weak when it's not. Prplhz invented a sentence that never happened. Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. You are for some reason focused on the word people and not the entire sentence about him making excuses. Amg simply says he hasn't made excuses and he only scum reads one person. So in all honesty you've extrapolated one argument of two and tried to push that. Furthermore, you ride this df is town read forever but when he tries to "correct" me that he had in fact made a scum read on prplhz in a post that you yourself commented on (!) you mention nothing. Show nested quote +Regarding to "not alluding to why they are mafia" I think this post alludes pretty obviously On March 07 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. Not sure what this is referring to. I feel like AMG has been pretty open so far. Did you know this was a darthfoley scum read? It sure is fleshed out and puts a firm stance on prplhz being mafia. Why have you only picked up amg for this stance on prplhz and not like 5 other players. Especially df who has no concrete scum read on anyone in this entire game.
First, I did already say df had the same BAD reason.
Second, I take more issue with AMGs add-on that DF did NOT push.
Third, of course it's weak. If someone adds on to what you perceive to be a town wagon for something like 'he didn't care to talk to me about our different reads', if you think that person is scum it would absolutely
BE AN EXCUSE INVENTED TO JOIN AN EXISTING WAGON.
It's not stating he literally made an excuse like an apology. That's retarded to even think.
You can't invent a fact from a perception, and there's nothing wrong with that perception besides. Why can't a town prp think amg could be scum inventing an excuse to join a wagon?
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