On March 12 2018 08:19 darthfoley wrote: I mean people can theorycraft scenarios in which im somehow g0dtier suboptimal mafia but it doesn't make any sense. Mafia NEEDS to use every KP they can get their hands on considering prplhz's flip.
No mafia willing decides to only go for one KP last night imo
Well
Unless
Ok but I am the king of tinfoil. I’ll let Vivax flip town before trying to mess up the thread with that whole deal.
On March 12 2018 19:49 Holyflare wrote: Alternatively we do df/ff on a vt player like moosy, vivax on rsoul, nk on df.
We narrow down the vt pool that way and if a medic wants to shenanigan they confirm themselves mafia.
This enables us to narrow down vt pool and simultaneously control the mafia nk while trying to preserve our medics.
This plan involves us lynching moosy today and him being town.
I will flip vt if you sacrifice me so it's up to you whether you wanna get mafia slam early or "confirm" me mafia the next day. No difference other than you guys being shit.
If any of the medics break rank then it is absolutely obvious which one did it since if ff is mafia I won't die. If vivax is mafia and he switches he's obvious. Same with NK.
Thus we therefore control the mafia medic night kill in our favour.
If they all choose to stick with their claims and follow this plan then the following day you have df/rsoul as basically town. 4 medic claims and a confirmed mafia. Do not lynch the confirmed mafia. This is when you lynch into medic claims.
You lynch vivax for not making sense if he hasn't already conceded and if he's medic then you have two medics and two towns and a confirmed mafia and a mafia medic claim.
The next night you put two of the medics on the confirmed mafia and one of the medics on df. This way you preserve df and the medic sanctity and mafia is forced to stack on the confirmed mafia.
On March 12 2018 22:36 Holyflare wrote: I will fight forever to not get lynched then. It is my duty as VT. You can ignore it all you want but I'll be here.
On March 12 2018 23:23 Vivax wrote: Why are you people still discussing lynching into the PRs before finding the scum in the VTs as was the plan all along?
If you want to be incredibly stupid and prefer to lose town power roles over vanillas, then go ahead. But then don't expect me to put in a shred of effort if I know you are ready to throw the game by voting for me. It's also fucking pointless to defend myself or go read your wrong shit about me cause of the above reason and if I know you are dumb enough to lynch a medic today then you are also dumb enough that my defense wouldn't change anything.
Yes I'm triggered. Yetserday we were deciding between 5 VTs, today we got it down to the same amount as we have medics and hence there is only one correct play and everyone is still arguing about medic lynches.
So all this day should be between HF, Moosy, Slam fighting it out and you know where I stand. And yes I would lynch HF last.
On March 07 2018 05:44 Fecalfeast wrote: Man noobking if you're scum I'll be super impressed. Bleeding town on top of talking about host interactions in thread makes you lock green to me forever
On March 13 2018 12:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: :/ Man i townread both slam and holy I don't want to kill them here still
Do better. I forgot that I promised I would tell you that you suck, in rayn's stead. You suck, Moosy. Do better. You may have townread them both before, but now you need to figure out which one of them is the VT scum. We can't perform the Vivax lynch you want unless we are way more sure he's the fake medic than we are about who is the VT scum. (And I mean WAY...MORE...SURE.)
Sadly, the ONLY really important post made by anyone in the entire time I was gone, was this one from Vivax himself (bolding/underlining added for emphasis):
On March 12 2018 23:23 Vivax wrote: Why are you people still discussing lynching into the PRs before finding the scum in the VTs as was the plan all along?
If you want to be incredibly stupid and prefer to lose town power roles over vanillas, then go ahead. But then don't expect me to put in a shred of effort if I know you are ready to throw the game by voting for me. It's also fucking pointless to defend myself or go read your wrong shit about me cause of the above reason and if I know you are dumb enough to lynch a medic today then you are also dumb enough that my defense wouldn't change anything.
Yes I'm triggered. Yetserday we were deciding between 5 VTs, today we got it down to the same amount as we have medics and hence there is only one correct play and everyone is still arguing about medic lynches.
So all this day should be between HF, Moosy, Slam fighting it out and you know where I stand. And yes I would lynch HF last.
He is exactly right. Day 3 should be all-out WAR between HF, Moosy and Slam to figure out which of them should be the lynch. And then the rest of us weigh the evidence and pick our sides. This is what matters. And if it's a HF/Vivax team, then the reason he's *willing* to remind us that we're supposed to lynch into the VTs is obvious: He thinks that if we lynched into the medics, we'd be more likely to lynch him than we are to lynch Holyflare if we picked a VT. HF, meanwhile, has been ALL about lynching into the medics...until today, when Vivax suddenly became the medic who is clearly the most scumread, and had an avalanche of votes fall onto him at the start of the Phase. Then he tells us there are possibilities where the Night results don't make Vivax scum, and now he magically is willing to get on-board with lynching into the VTs, even if it means killing Moosy, who had been a PERENNIAL townread for him, and whose odds of being Town shot UP dramatically with the new information that points to DF being Town. I said at the end of Night 2 that the scum team was probably either Moosy/DF or HF/Vivax. Koshi said the scum team is HF/Vivax. N2 results then showed us that DF is probably Town, which means the voting record tells us Moosy is probably Town. The N2 results ALSO gave us new reasons to scumread Vivax. Yet HF suddenly no longer wants to lynch into the medics, and is ready to lynch Moosy straight through his long-standing townread of him. And Vivax, though reminding us we should lynch a VT claim, doesn't want to lynch Holyflare, either. How is this difficult, people?
On March 13 2018 13:58 n00bKing wrote: @Alakaslam: Why are you voting against Moosy? Why is he scum?
@Vivax: Why are you voting against Moosy? Why is he scum?
@Holyflare: Why are you voting against Moosy? Why is he scum? He was supposed to be a townread of yours, what happened?
No wait, I already know the answer to that last one. You're voting against Moosy today (despite townreading him all this time) because you think that after he flips town, it'll be easier to get Alakaslam shot on N3, than the other way around.
If Moosy is lynched today and flips town, who here has confidence in Alakaslam winning the war of words against HF on N3, and making HF the N3 VT kill, instead of it being himself? Nope, you fools will probably let HF lead you around by the noses again, make Alakaslam the N3 kill, watch him flip town just like Moosy did, and that will be the 4th and fatal mistake that Koshi told you that you couldn't afford to make. Because you had FOUR shots in the VT pool and missed them ALL, because you couldn't open your eyes and put HF in this noose, despite all of the ways he's tried to HELP...the MAFIA...WIN.
Holyflare told you all that he'd solved who the VT scum was, and that it was Koshi. Go back and read HF's stated reasons for scumreading Koshi. They're GARBAGE. But whaddya know? HF was able to convince Vivax & FF to make Koshi their target anyway, and then FF afk'd EoN which tied our hands, and Koshi died. And flipped town.
Holyflare told you Moosy is town, and that it was Koshi and not Moosy who should be killed on N2. Why kill Koshi ahead of Moosy? Because just as HF's ideas and plans are bad for town, Koshi's were GOOD for town. Go back and read HF's stated reasons for townreading Moosy. They, too, are GARBAGE. Why are his reasons for townreading Moosy garbage? So he can toss them aside, once it becomes convenient to do so!
I even TOLD ALL OF YOU that this would happen, ALL the way back on Page 63, when I first posted the case against Holyflare (which you should read again, because not a word of it has been disproven. Here's the relevant excerpt to this particular point though:
On March 11 2018 14:43 n00bKing wrote: In case the shot ends up going into the VTs, he wants to make sure it doesn't hit him. Ideally, it wouldn't hit Moosy, either, so that Moosy can be the Day 3 lynch.
Boy, did I call it or WHAT? Somehow I KNEW that even despite HF's townread on Moosy, he would wind up trying to get Moosy lynched on D3 anyway, once Koshi was out of the way. And he's doing exactly what I said a scum HF would do, even though the N2 results gave him an excuse to FINALLY lynch into the medics and go after Vivax, and even though the N2 results are town-indicative for Moosy.
EPT
