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On March 09 2018 04:19 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 03:41 Vivax wrote:This is from your post where you reply to HF about DF.
So I don't think DF's lack of drive automatically makes him a good lynch, unless you feel like a Town DF *would* show an actual "want to solve anything" and *would* show "drive." Is that the case? Because again, unless there's reason for you to expect more than this from a Town DF, then I don't see anything that makes this particular mole the one that needs whacking.
Technically the reason is that he is a type of player who is held at a higher standard regarding activity and post quality. lol, IF THAT'S TRUE, then I wish someone had actually said so, when I asked someone (ANYone) in the thread to back that notion. Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 03:41 Vivax wrote:
Me, HF and rsoultin all noticed something being off about him pretty quickly. Yet here you are asking a question that doesn't want an answer about whether he is lackluster compared to his other town games How is that a question that doesn't want an answer? Man, if I don't want an answer to that question, I can just NOT ask it. That would be REAL easy. Or I could have waited to post it until much later, and allowed less time for people to see and comment on it. I didn't. There was plenty of time for people to see and comment on it, and then for us to decide how/whether it should influence the notion of a DF lynch. It wasn't a question that doesn't want an answer. It was a question that didn't GET an answer. Show nested quote +Vivax wrote:
So either you are unbelievably stubborn and tend to think the opposite of the majority for no apparent reason, or you just make up your reads. Tending towards the latter but I'm also biased at this point :> If DF ever turns out to be scum, and you and I are both still alive, we can have a conversation about me forcing a townread on him against your alleged "majority" (which was actually like 3 people). If DF ever turns out to be town, I think that conversation is over. I can't really see any way to scumread me for: abandoning my original lynch target with 1 hour to go (who was Town) and defending the counterwagon (also town, in this hypothetical) and then leaving, and just crossing my fingers and hoping the noose doesn't fall onto one of my teammates. Working to keep DF out of the noose in that scenario couldn't possibly make less sense, especially once DF claims medic, which would've made it trivially easy to just go "oh, you're claiming medic? That makes you mathematically more likely to be scum now. Die." Boom, dead Town medic, and a BULLETPROOF alibi for me sticking him in the noose. The kills I like are prpl and Kelsier. I maintain that I do not like the idea of having DF go off and heal a secret target of his choosing. I maintain that HF is actively damaging the Town's best interests, if he refuses to follow thread sentiment regarding his target.
Here dude, lemme answer the question you need to write a master's thesis on: I would say i'm regarded as one of the stronger players as town, and a decent mafia player who will put in activity and effort. I rarely have the largest filter in a game, but I often have a pretty meaty filter (larger 1/3 of game filters).
I'm pretty sure HF has provided this meta read, and I know for a fact Damdred did earlier.
On March 07 2018 04:04 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 03:53 rsoultin wrote:On March 07 2018 03:50 Damdred wrote:
lol yeah thats not exactly waht I meant FF XD, why do you like him for scum.
Besides that I might disagree tina about DF slightly. Yeah? I know it's weak, but why do you disagree? He does sound defeated and what not, but the DF i've played with doesn't mind rolling scum. He generally fights hard as scum and is excellent at keeping his tone somewhere in the realm of his town game. I just think its a weird opening for him regardless of his alignment and i'd much rather not even think about lynching him for it just because its so outside meta for him it doesn't register for either side.
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On March 09 2018 04:21 darthfoley wrote:
Lol townmedic!HF ensuring he kills another townmedic N1 would surely be superb.
Mafia will probably shoot HF (if he's actually town and/or townmedic) and medic me, potentially killing 2/3 town medics in one night. Really really stellar idea for a game that's supposedly heavily townsided.
Quoted for posterity
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oh and BTW I added an extra sentence at the end of that quote without thinking. I meant to have it beneath the quoted text, sorry ^
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My pessimism driven gut tells me that prplhz is going to flip town though.
What's the alternative though.
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On March 09 2018 04:32 Vivax wrote:
My pessimism driven gut tells me that prplhz is going to flip town though.
What's the alternative though.
I actually have the same fear. Idk, vigi'ing him at least takes away an easy lynchbait target away from mafia into the next phase. I would also be down to medic vigi on FecalFeast, but nobody else seems to give a shit about him.
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If by some chance of terrible luck, chaoser slot, FecalFeast, prplhz, and Kelscier are all town, this game is poopstick
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On March 09 2018 04:25 darthfoley wrote:
Here dude, lemme answer the question you need to write a master's thesis on: I would say i'm regarded as one of the stronger players as town
THANKS, buddy! Wish you'd posted this during D1 instead (or that ANYone else had answered, when I asked for confirmation of the theory).
Then yes, HF is right. You should have been the Day 1 lynch. Glad we got that cleared up.
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On March 09 2018 03:51 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 00:34 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 20:56 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 20:49 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 20:38 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 19:57 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 19:04 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 18:07 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 08:56 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 08:14 rsoultin wrote:
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Yeah...
I'm actually warming up to Vivax's AMG read more.
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So I was about to say that there is no way this lines up with the 'doesn't feel like scum' reaction to Tube not trying to make reads to save himself. But I think I'd rather ask you to reconcile those two, AMG, if you can.
The thing for me is while I liked some of his posting independently, the scumreads are pretty boring.
"You didn't talk to me when I had a different read" @tube
"You said people when I only am scumreading one person" "you say you'd normally agree with the reasoning for the tube lynch" (and be wrong) "but you take issue with me jumping on it for a different reason" @prp
There's like nothing whatsoever to these scumreads. By contrast, his townreads are fairly well-reasoned. I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to do here? I don't know how I can further illustrate my thought process more than what i've already put into the thread without just repeating myself. I know what it feels like when I've latched onto a scum, tubesock didn't feel like that, he felt like incoherent town. You're welcome to think my reads are boring, I disagree, I was once upon a time known for making reads that fly in the face of thread sentiment (see tubesock read) and I do not apologize for that. I'm asking you how you can reconcile: 1) Tube is town because he's not coming back with a scumread (i.e. not trying to save himself a la vivax) and 2) Tube is town because nothing he says makes sense and I can't hold him to that standard. You gave two separate narratives for your townread that do not appear to go together to me. Maybe I'm just a dunce and there's a connection I'm not seeing, but it almost seems like you forgot your reason. Why do I only get to have one reason to town read someone? Tube came back, did not do what I was expecting a scum Tube to do, and then continued to talk the same brand of nonsense he was before he disappeared. I got fed up with trying to have an actual conversation with him and realised that this isn't something you can fake as scum, ergo town and I was done speaking with him. Now lets discuss how I scum hunt since you haven't seen the pattern. I see something off. I ping them with a (occasionally obnoxious) statement. They answer, that either satisfies me and I keep walking or I dig until I get a reaction i'm satisfied with. I was unable to finish that with prplhz since he never bloody came back. My reads are much more accurate through direct interaction, as opposed to observation, where I am notoriously shit (see the last 2-3 obs threads). Sure, but usually I don't expect two different answers to the same question like the first no longer exists. Perhaps. Could you explain your prp read to me like I'm two? Particularly your issue with his scumreading you while liking others' reasoning on your scumread. On March 07 2018 12:36 AMG wrote:On March 07 2018 12:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:06 Tubesock wrote:
I asked AMG for clarification about his "Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there" to see if it was a scum read on Fecalfeast or Rsoultin since they are the only ones pushing the Vivax lynch. Turns out he was just speaking generally so it's not a breadcrumb read. LOL I wasn't grasping at straws to scum AMG.
Moosy, do you have any scum reads outside of me? Like I'm pretty sure I'm an easy scumread since the majority of the thread scums me.... Also, I didn't think you were grasping at straws to scum AMG, I'm thinking you're grasping at straws to scum Fecal or anyone you can to get in with alignment with AMG who's thrown you the first life rope. Well, that's not happening. In case its not painfully obvious, the other person that's caught my interest today is prplhz. His attack on me was shit and I want to hear more out of him before I make my mind up for today. Frankly, Tubesock just doesn't seem to be operating on a coherent wavelength to me. At all. On March 07 2018 13:16 AMG wrote:On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. The more I read this post, the less I like it. You think the Tubesock push is something you'd normally like, but then be wrong about... so you agree with the logic? And then I'm making excuses to be on that wagon, the one you would normally like? If you'd normally like this kind of push, but you're opting out, what gives. Why are you going against your better judgement in this one? -snorts- Do you honestly think that quoting the things I saw and quoted as a bs scumread is somehow going to magically help me understand your point of view if you're town? What the hell do you even find scummy about that? No I'm just getting damn sick of repeating myself. If you can't follow along with my thought processes on those above posts then.. well I give up ? Im not asking you to repeat yourself. I understand that you say that you think it's scummy for someone to scumread you for jumping on a wagon for a different reason than the one they generally find compelling but would probably be wrong about. I want to understand WHY you think the above is scummy. Because to me his reasoning is obvious. He says that my tubesock push is something he would normally like, and then be wrong on. And then says I'm making up reasons to be on that wagon.. That strikes me as logically unsound and not what I would consider a natural thought process. So I'm asking back at him which is it? Is this something you would normally like, and find my argument logically sound, or am I making up excuses to be on the wagon, and you do not agree with the argument I put forward to be on the wagon. Which is it? Because it can't bloody be both. And why is he going against his better judgement on this case. If this is something he normally likes, but chooses to not like this time.. what's different this time? I also don't like how he generalized my play to say im scumreading 'people', like I was doing it to multiple people, when I had exactly one scum read and one town read in the thread at that point. It's disingenuous.
Ah. I'm going to disregard the last paragraph because I still think that's a pretty ridiculous word choice nitpick when this language is commonly used like that.
It seems you misunderstood his post. I'll let him explain it to you just in case I'm actually the one who misinterpreted it though.
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On March 09 2018 04:40 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 04:25 darthfoley wrote:
Here dude, lemme answer the question you need to write a master's thesis on: I would say i'm regarded as one of the stronger players as town THANKS, buddy! Wish you'd posted this during D1 instead (or that ANYone else had answered, when I asked for confirmation of the theory). Then yes, HF is right. You should have been the Day 1 lynch. Glad we got that cleared up.
Lol, I find it hard to believe you can manage to write like 14 walls of text per hour yet fail to read some pretty clear posts from HF and Damdred and Vivax and rsoultin at least implying that my playstyle this game has been off meta.
This reply really irritates me. That is all.
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On March 09 2018 04:32 Vivax wrote:
My pessimism driven gut tells me that prplhz is going to flip town though.
What's the alternative though.
Kelsier. I'm pretty okay with a Kelsier flip the later it gets.
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On March 09 2018 04:33 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 04:32 Vivax wrote:
My pessimism driven gut tells me that prplhz is going to flip town though.
What's the alternative though. I actually have the same fear. Idk, vigi'ing him at least takes away an easy lynchbait target away from mafia into the next phase. I would also be down to medic vigi on FecalFeast, but nobody else seems to give a shit about him.
That's likely because of EoD. I expect it to resolve itself eventually.
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On March 09 2018 03:59 AMG wrote:
He keeps posting giant piles of words that I haven't had enough coffee to read. It's 5am here.
Hah me too.
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On March 09 2018 04:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 04:32 Vivax wrote:
My pessimism driven gut tells me that prplhz is going to flip town though.
What's the alternative though. Kelsier. I'm pretty okay with a Kelsier flip the later it gets.
Though I guess he's still got about an hour before he claims he'll be reading the thread.
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On March 09 2018 04:21 darthfoley wrote:
Lol townmedic!HF ensuring he kills another townmedic N1 would surely be superb.
Mafia will probably shoot HF (if he's actually town and/or townmedic) and medic me, potentially killing 2/3 town medics in one night. Really really stellar idea.
Yeah, great play when you're just mafia though.
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On March 09 2018 04:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 04:32 Vivax wrote:
My pessimism driven gut tells me that prplhz is going to flip town though.
What's the alternative though. Kelsier. I'm pretty okay with a Kelsier flip the later it gets.
He should be here by the minute according to him.
Without knowing medic time schedule though and how much they follow the thread or if they are playing at all there is no reason to switch at this point though. Let's just hope that they play and aren't bad ;>
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I'm only up to date with page 22 and I've read something here and there but that's it. I'll try to do better tomorrow. I have no idea who is mafia.
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Hey just because I don't add anything of substance to the game doesn't mean i should die
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On March 09 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 04:40 n00bKing wrote:On March 09 2018 04:25 darthfoley wrote:
Here dude, lemme answer the question you need to write a master's thesis on: I would say i'm regarded as one of the stronger players as town THANKS, buddy! Wish you'd posted this during D1 instead (or that ANYone else had answered, when I asked for confirmation of the theory). Then yes, HF is right. You should have been the Day 1 lynch. Glad we got that cleared up. Lol, I find it hard to believe you can manage to write like 14 walls of text per hour yet fail to read some pretty clear posts from HF and Damdred and Vivax and rsoultin at least implying that my playstyle this game has been off meta.
smh
It appears that you don't even know how I ended up asking the question in the first place. You keep talking about what HF said, like as if that's not exactly the "theory" I was trying to get "confirmation" of from absolutely anyone else (and didn't get).
Vivax's listed reasons for voting against you have nothing to do with your meta. In skimming his D1 posts about you just now, I don't notice anything that even indicates he has EVER seen you play before, as either allegiance. rsoul's comments about the weirdness of your entry to the thread do not speak to my question at all. I didn't remember that post from Damdred, having not ever seen it a 2nd time, given that I didn't re-read his filter, since he hasn't been here to talk to, nor has he really been discussed as a lynch target. Apparently everyone else either forgot about it too, or thought it didn't answer the question, since he only mentions your town play in regard to "tone." But anyway, like I said, I'm convinced now. Yes, you should have been the Day 1 lynch. But hopefully you're Town anyway, and will start to play like the guy you think matches your reputation. *wink, WINK*
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On March 09 2018 04:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 04:21 darthfoley wrote:
Lol townmedic!HF ensuring he kills another townmedic N1 would surely be superb.
Mafia will probably shoot HF (if he's actually town and/or townmedic) and medic me, potentially killing 2/3 town medics in one night. Really really stellar idea. Yeah, great play when you're just mafia though.
Okay, get ready for the post game nomination then.
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Canada11355 Posts
I'd like to vote for noobking because of all the words he posts
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