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On March 15 2018 06:05 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2018 05:57 Holyflare wrote:
I haven't always been this way, phone posting and work made me lazy and I spew whatever is on my mind. If it's wrong or "pushing mafia agenda" it's simply because I had 30 seconds at work to post something that I thought was correct but turns out wasn't. If you were to say things like "what about this idea? Would that be good for us or no?" and it's a scum-favored plan, that wouldn't be so bad. But that's not what you did. It was "let's do this" and it's a scum-favored plan. No town player should ever be guilty of that. When you catch a player doing that, they should be scumread for it. And if you're in a spot where you don't have time to see if something you're saying is correct or not...maybe WAIT? Until you can actually look and see if what you're saying is FALSE, before you post it. At very least, if you don't have time to fact-check yourself, you can say so. Mention that you're posting without checking, and say that someone else should double-check for you, because you might be wrong. You did none of that. You just presented things as fact that were not. That's what scum does, when they hope no one will read back and catch them. I have an MRI and will the rest of the phase. So if you have any further response, you'll have to wait for mine til post-game. Bye
Tbf...what you said wasn't always factually correct either. Since we're being critical right now.
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Oh I can't even decide, lol >< who the other healed player should be. It doesn't matter if nk has left though, so \o/
If Viva is scum he bussed moosy n2 cuz reasons? Which would frankly be the center of attention and nothing else if the shot had gone through on me, which is the only result he could have reasonably expected. Sure, you could argue it gets him townread and he can then carry the game, but idk why bother. Moosy could have conceivably survived another lynch/night probably without Viva ushering things along.
I think I'd buy df going for the mad playz over that if he thought I'd help nk lynch hf. Moosy not getting shot was not something mafia could really control. I'm not sure how much of a difference two vs one town kill made in that scenario. So that's possible, actually. His day 3 play even supports it.
FF...other than the tonal thing about his play right after flip, I have no reason to read him as anything.
Lol >< blah. Yeah all of this is wifomy nonsense for the most part. Tonally I don't particularly care for Vivax this night phase, but I don't think that outweighs my reasons for his being town.
I'd say, gun to my head, if you lynch Viva last we probably win. Probably. And who knows if I'd change that opinion by actually reading the thread tomorrow if I'm still around to do so, heh.
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I'm a dork. I mean, don't lynch viva lol.
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On March 15 2018 06:56 darthfoley wrote:
yall are really tripping if you think I have a chance to be mafia here
-shrugs-
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yay!
i actually called the scum team early for once! thanks df <3
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On March 15 2018 08:55 AMG wrote:
Good game overall.
I never really got HF as mafia at all this game or understood anyone that was pushing it. Nor did i see df as anything but town. or rsoultin. Lots of townies making themselves really townie made things easier, not many places to hide.
And yes, Ive been floating around this site since 2013 or so. I play rarely. I will say that my drive to play disappeared right around the time marv did also.
-pokes- Hope I didn't offend you! My main reason for finding your kill weird was that you seemed pretty lost after the prp kill, which was inevitable enough that I didn't think that would be enough to get a player shot. It wasn't because you were a bad kill.
I can be a baddy early game, especially when I'm having trouble finding mafia in general lol >< (And late game. And mid game.)
Also, I echo the props to moosy/nk. It's tough to stay that involved in a game like this. You guys definitely had a chance, probably more of a chance than it felt like you had. D3 really seemed like it could go about anywhere until the very end or so.
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On March 15 2018 09:05 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2018 08:52 Mocsta wrote:On March 15 2018 08:39 darthfoley wrote:On March 15 2018 08:28 Mocsta wrote:On March 15 2018 08:16 darthfoley wrote:
Like I have an 11 page filter and plenty of content inside it. I'm really not sure what your criticism is supposed to mean.
And yea, game was way too setup dependent. But i'm always down to try new things and I appreciate Calix for hosting it well Why assume a comment about being "independent" is a criticism? All it means is that your actions are difficult to predict - and is a fact, rather a flaw or criticism. For players whom tone read (or as I prefer, rely on the nuance of prediction); this can prove to be a very difficult challenge to overcome. Because you said you mostly agreed with n00bking who wrote an essay about extraneous factors that all ended up sounding like whining. Like yea, afk people playing mafia suck balls. Idk why prplhz even signs up for games tbh. But he does, so you have to accept that if you're going to play on TL Mafia. Of course I agree with much of it, given, there are similarities to why I said I would stop playing as well. You can choose to think it is whining, or not valid; however, the dwindling population on TLMafia is more complicated than people got older and stopped playing SC2. Personally, I think TLMafia tends towards an abusive/bullying culture.
Some people are OK with this; some do not yet realise it is abuse; and the majority pack up and leave.Regardless of that, I agree with you that with 115 odd pages; there was enough content between all remaining parties to figure this game out. I guess that's your opinion. Games get heated and people get mad but from what I remember, old games with people like robotik (??) and people like that flamed much more hardcore. I only started playing TL mafia in 2015 even though I had been on the site since 2011. I enjoy the challenge of games and feel like the players that do play are generally decently high level. I've always been good at compartmentalizing things (e.g. insults in game, etc.) and not take them personally; I realize other people struggle with it. But that's not what n00bking's rant was about. He basically wrote an essay whining that we didn't lynch HF because his reasons were so carefully and perfectly crafted, and that there were AFK people. He never mentioned anything about cyber bullying and the stuff you mentioned. News flash: people here have played with HF for literally 3-6 years. Meta matters. As HF said, part of mafia is being able to sell your case, regardless of alignment. NK tried hard enough but ultimately wasn't convincing enough. Idk why that needs a rant
Yeah, I have to agree that the atmosphere on TL in terms of bullying and being nasty seems to have improved. It certainly seemed worse when I was playing here regularly a few years ago.
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On March 15 2018 09:16 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2018 09:04 rsoultin wrote:On March 15 2018 08:55 AMG wrote:
Good game overall.
I never really got HF as mafia at all this game or understood anyone that was pushing it. Nor did i see df as anything but town. or rsoultin. Lots of townies making themselves really townie made things easier, not many places to hide.
And yes, Ive been floating around this site since 2013 or so. I play rarely. I will say that my drive to play disappeared right around the time marv did also. -pokes- Hope I didn't offend you! My main reason for finding your kill weird was that you seemed pretty lost after the prp kill, which was inevitable enough that I didn't think that would be enough to get a player shot. It wasn't because you were a bad kill. I can be a baddy early game, especially when I'm having trouble finding mafia in general lol >< (And late game. And mid game.) Also, I echo the props to moosy/nk. It's tough to stay that involved in a game like this. You guys definitely had a chance, probably more of a chance than it felt like you had. D3 really seemed like it could go about anywhere until the very end or so. Oh not at all, I think i mentioned in obs that we were ALL struggling to find mafia early game and it was really starting to show. Everyone was standing around saying BUT WHOS MAFIA to each other and the response was a shrug. That really is a credit to moosey and noobkings early play to stay off nearly every bodies radar, they did quite well in that regard and I think town did equally well to not go feral on itself when there were no obvious options to go for. I can say though that my day 1 reads are probably about 50%, but by the end of 2nd or 3rd cycle i'm usually well and truly onto scum, as unpopular as my reads may be at the time. If i'm flying with thread sentiment, you can assume i'm either being lazy af or i'm scum.
Fair enough. I too would be happy to play with you again  My biggest issue with you in-game was based on a misunderstanding anyway lol
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You were an amazingly easy townread this game slam <3
I'm not sure that I agree about sign-ups? I think some of it had to do with the setup, which tbf seemed imbalanced. I think a normal would have gotten more interest. It was a nice idea but yeah...pretty tough for scum.
I wouldn't have signed up except I wanted to help get the game going. The idea of rolling scum this game was daunting @.@
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