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On March 06 2018 16:17 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2018 15:18 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 14:42 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 12:51 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 11:28 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 11:09 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 09:16 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 09:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
Honestly hf claiming a role doesn't mean anything he fakes as town or mafia agreed, I think he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia. What are you "agreeing" with? Because what Fecalfeast said and what you said are NOT the same. I agree that HF can fakeclaim as either alignment, that I don't believe that him claiming should be alignment indicative in any way. Alright, thanks for making that clear. Because obviously there's a ton of difference between Fecalfeast saying "he fakes as town or mafia" and you saying "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia." I must be obtuse. I don't get why it's all that different in the context "is HolyFlare town for claiming" between "he fakes as town or mafia" or "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia"? Although, I meant to add "mafia medic" in there. What obvious difference do you see? The obvious difference is that Fecalfeast said HF makes fake claims as both Town and Mafia, while you said that HF could just as easily make the claim as Town medic or Mafia. If he makes the claim as Town medic, it's not FAKE. So what you did is take something Fecalfeast said, twisted it into something he DIDN'T say, and then "agreed" with it. That's why I forced you into telling us whether or not you agree with what he ACTUALLY said, and not just what you ACTED like he said. You told me you do agree with what he actually said, so I thanked you for your answer. I like this. He basically said I'm town medic and slipped  Eh, maybe. A true "scumslip" like that is pretty darn rare though. I'd be more interested in hearing whether anyone with prior history with Tubesock in games thinks its unusual for him to immediately take the claim at face value. Him "making nice" with the first person to claim medic may or may not be alignment-indicative for someone, depending on their personality. Anybody know him?
I honestly don't remember his play well enough, sadly.
I don't really find it noteworthy though. Especially with four out of thirteen players being medic it's just whatever for someone to say they find a claim believable imo.
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On March 06 2018 16:24 Holyflare wrote:
Tubesock has called me medic!
Not just town or mafia. Medic. Let that sink in.
##vote tubesock
-squints- You'll have to explain this to me like I'm an idiot if you're serious about this push.
I want to know where you stand on Damdred though.
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On March 06 2018 16:27 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:04 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum? My impression of his game so far can be boiled down to two sentences: Hey guys how should we play the setup that doesn't matter for another 48 hours! Hey guys do you have any thoughts? The first is fine if he were trying to get reads, but given the lack of reads he apparently got from it hes coming across to me as existing rather than solving. I feel like this would be more significant if he had actually come back, and said some things that didn't contribute anything worthwhile. As it stands now, he just...hasn't been back. So maybe you'll get what you want from him when he returns. Unless Damdred is a "constantly checking the game" type of guy, I don't really see anything to hate on. His post that said "Well this will be my last game for awhile as I don't think its fair to further strain my activity level with my new job" was made before roles went out. It offers him cover to fake being afk if he drew scum in this game, but I don't know if there's anything we can do about it. If that's what happened, then it just...worked out nice for him. lol
There were people in the game with him. I'm not concerned with how he afks which is just something he does regardless of what the current life emergency or situation is.
Let me make this abundantly clear:
What I saw while Damdred was IN THE THREAD was not detective Damdred. It was please be friends with me Damdred. The first is town.
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On March 06 2018 16:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:27 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 08:47 Holyflare wrote:
I'm a medic. Uhm...you called you a medic.... Yes and as noobking says someone said I can do that as either alignment or any role but you have specifically said I'm a medic. There's a big difference from saying what I said means nothing to saying what I said means I am medic but either alignment. It appears like you know I'm medic but then add a hedge on top as a "oh I don't know" to fit in. It's a weird thought process comparatively to hf can be anything.
Not sure how it's an alignment indicative thought process though? Given how I'd treat it as scum.
How would scum know if your claim were true or not?
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On March 06 2018 16:32 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:11 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 16:05 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 14:45 Tubesock wrote:
Do you think he's right? Should we not talk about mass claiming D2? Is there a difference of talking about mass claiming and the timing of it? Does anyone actually think the medics shouldn't EVER mass claim? So, obviously if you are going to discuss strategy you will be talking about the timing. I didn't like him saying "talking about D2 claim is a distraction" and then he goes back to talking about mass claiming. It's scummy to try to shut down discussion especially when nothing else is going on.
Talking about D2 mass claim is a distraction, when we're not in D2. Again, we'll have more information on whether a D2 mass claim would be beneficial once we're actually IN D2. If we tried to make a decision about it now, something could happen before then that changes the equation. Talking about whether to mass claim on D2 during D1 prevents scumhunting by letting the thread be clogged up with a decision that can't be acted on yet, based on variables that could be completely different by the time it CAN be acted on. It also needlessly lengthens the thread, making it tougher to re-read later. And then I went back to talking about mass claiming. YUP. Because the decision to make on Day ONE is whether or not we should have a mass claim on Day ONE. THIS is what we should be talking about. But first, I'd sure like verification from the Narrator on whether the setup is the one posted in the OP, or the one he said he'd be changing it to, because that also changes the equation. I'd say no, thus, bored. Let's talk reads! By all means, talk reads. But do you have anything to add to why your attitude toward the Day 1 mass claim is "no"? I think a "yes" or "no" becomes a lot more valuable when someone explains their reasoning behind it.
I just feel it's less valuable to have claims out with a mafia medic and rb in the game.
Rb one medic. Double up on the one with the bad scum read. Kill the third.
Medics neutralized. Once one is dead no more town but shots. Once two no more town saves.
And if we have town fake-claiming that also defeats the purpose of a mass claim day 1.
I see the counter-argument okay but really I think it makes more sense to delay the discussion at least a day phase.
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On March 06 2018 16:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:33 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 16:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2018 16:27 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 08:47 Holyflare wrote:
I'm a medic. Uhm...you called you a medic.... Yes and as noobking says someone said I can do that as either alignment or any role but you have specifically said I'm a medic. There's a big difference from saying what I said means nothing to saying what I said means I am medic but either alignment. It appears like you know I'm medic but then add a hedge on top as a "oh I don't know" to fit in. It's a weird thought process comparatively to hf can be anything. Not sure how it's an alignment indicative thought process though? Given how I'd treat it as scum. How would scum know if your claim were true or not? A town thought process: hf claimed medic but it means absolutely nothing. A mafia though process: hf claimed medic shit let's make a post about it since it's a main topic. Oh, he's town so telling the truth based on what he said pre-game. Oh, better throw in a hedge and call him mafia medic though. Doesn't look right to me.
Hm. I see the narrative it just feels...meh to me. Like i don't really have a read on tubesock but this doesn't make me want to scumread him more?
It just makes me think he's gullible regardless of alignment lol >< I don't see how only scum can be gullible.
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On March 06 2018 16:40 Holyflare wrote:
Mass claiming is dumb until late game. One medic claiming and coordinating kills through reads and other people is anti-dumb.
Enough about mass claiming.
I'm just going to fight the paranoia bug and place you with my other cookie (and diabetic alternatives) monsters
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On March 06 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:
Tubesock, I implied you were mafia by your reaction and said someone you thought was scummy was almost certainly town.. you dont think either of those warrants further investigation or a response?
Now this is a good reason to push a tubesock.
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On March 06 2018 16:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:
Tubesock, I implied you were mafia by your reaction and said someone you thought was scummy was almost certainly town.. you dont think either of those warrants further investigation or a response? When did he do that?
Amg called tubesock's scumread town.
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:/
I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.
Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.
I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.
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On March 06 2018 17:08 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 17:01 rsoultin wrote:
:/
I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.
Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.
I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.
I don't think I'd get anything out of a conversation with AMG. Prickly players only scum? That's certainly not my experience at all so we don't have common ground there. And I was more interested in n00bking. Which I'm still deciding on. I still don't like hypocrisy. I think his nitpicking is his way of digging deep for more understanding so I think it's towny.
Fair. Damdred lynching time then?
Though I must say amg is one of the smexiest players in this game to me. It makes it harder for me to accept people not having an opinion in him.
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I have a proposal.
There are three mafia. If people want to put a vote on tubesock that's fine.
But maybe it's time to give him some room to breathe and start poking in other corners.
Never voting for noob today, just for the record. My memory may be imperfect but this feels like the sort of thing a town noob finds compelling.
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I think I'm liking a moosy this game, too \o/ Nothing strong, though. Bastard has to live in the wrong timezone.
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On March 06 2018 18:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 18:14 rsoultin wrote:
I think I'm liking a moosy this game, too \o/ Nothing strong, though. Bastard has to live in the wrong timezone. whaaaaaaaa
o.0 Aw now not as much cause you're not asleep lol ><
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##vote: Damdred
Let's get this party started, ha!
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On March 06 2018 18:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 18:37 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 18:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 06 2018 18:14 rsoultin wrote:
I think I'm liking a moosy this game, too \o/ Nothing strong, though. Bastard has to live in the wrong timezone. whaaaaaaaa o.0 Aw now not as much cause you're not asleep lol >< lol you're not wrong. It is 4-5 AM here. I just couldn't resist throwing a wrench in your thoughts :D btw how likely do you think Tubesock is mafia here compared to Damdred?
I'm pretty soldily null on Tubesock, but so far I like pretty much everyone calling him scum. Just not really agreeing with the reasoning, especially the medic point.
As for Damdred...it's not a super solid scumread. I think there's a small possibility he might post this way as town.
Speaking of slight scumreads, df would also be a good lynch today.
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Like, basically I can see tubesock being scum here. I just think it would be a shame to auto him for nonsense (especially if he ends up flipping town), even if I think mostly town is pushing him.
Plus I'll get way better reads if we talk about more than just tubesock. So there's that.
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On March 06 2018 18:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 06 2018 18:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 18:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 06 2018 18:37 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 18:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 06 2018 18:14 rsoultin wrote:
I think I'm liking a moosy this game, too \o/ Nothing strong, though. Bastard has to live in the wrong timezone. whaaaaaaaa o.0 Aw now not as much cause you're not asleep lol >< lol you're not wrong. It is 4-5 AM here. I just couldn't resist throwing a wrench in your thoughts :D btw how likely do you think Tubesock is mafia here compared to Damdred? I'm pretty soldily null on Tubesock, but so far I like pretty much everyone calling him scum. Just not really agreeing with the reasoning, especially the medic point. As for Damdred...it's not a super solid scumread. I think there's a small possibility he might post this way as town. Speaking of slight scumreads, df would also be a good lynch today. On March 06 2018 18:53 rsoultin wrote:
Like, basically I can see tubesock being scum here. I just think it would be a shame to auto him for nonsense (especially if he ends up flipping town), even if I think mostly town is pushing him.
Plus I'll get way better reads if we talk about more than just tubesock. So there's that. Hm, fair enough
You're not fulfilling your part of the conversational contract -flicks-
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On March 06 2018 18:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 18:55 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 18:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 06 2018 18:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 18:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 06 2018 18:37 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 18:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 06 2018 18:14 rsoultin wrote:
I think I'm liking a moosy this game, too \o/ Nothing strong, though. Bastard has to live in the wrong timezone. whaaaaaaaa o.0 Aw now not as much cause you're not asleep lol >< lol you're not wrong. It is 4-5 AM here. I just couldn't resist throwing a wrench in your thoughts :D btw how likely do you think Tubesock is mafia here compared to Damdred? I'm pretty soldily null on Tubesock, but so far I like pretty much everyone calling him scum. Just not really agreeing with the reasoning, especially the medic point. As for Damdred...it's not a super solid scumread. I think there's a small possibility he might post this way as town. Speaking of slight scumreads, df would also be a good lynch today. On March 06 2018 18:53 rsoultin wrote:
Like, basically I can see tubesock being scum here. I just think it would be a shame to auto him for nonsense (especially if he ends up flipping town), even if I think mostly town is pushing him.
Plus I'll get way better reads if we talk about more than just tubesock. So there's that. Hm, fair enough You're not fulfilling your part of the conversational contract -flicks- I absolutely detest your scum read on Damdred which makes me think you're scum but at the same time your thought process on Tubesock is the exact same as mine which makes me conflicted. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's okay. You're allowed to think that I could be scum.
I just don't see the value in passively waiting for afk folks to comment on tubesock. Call me impatient.
If you're curious as to when I started thinking that you could be town, since the lack of pressure appears to be skeezing you out, it was your noob read. (That's also, btw, what sets your early play apart from Damdred's. That and the fact that he started out fishing about setup strat and you didn't.)
I'm out for awhile now though. Gotta go get edumacated on what it means to be a Dutch-speaking Nederlander. Ciao!
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#unvote: Damdred
I have another cookie monster!
@AMG it was no more than I already said, just his entry into the thread that seemed like 'hey guys, tell me what to think', but he's probably not scum so...unimportant.
So I'm going to let you be the FF reader Damdy, since you're better at it. Idk what to make of the random scumread, particularly since I have no reason to want to lynch prp over darth foley/tubesock at present. Prp is in my slightly townish pile with moosey and HF.
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