[M][N] Medic Mafia - Page 2

On March 08 2018 07:10 n00bKing wrote:
Ok, I'm off.


Didn't see any backup on this, but to my eyes, the DF lynch doesn't thrill me.

The push on Tubesock has been going for a long time, without much result, so I guess it's not happening today.

##Unvote

Would love to see this happen:

##Vote: KelsierSC

On March 07 2018 15:13 n00bKing wrote:
Re: What Tubesock liked about Prpl's filter

So being wishy-washy is a Town trait now? There's nothing to like about Prpl's play, in my opinion. All he's done is claim Cop, be vague and non-committal about whether he thinks you should be pushed, be vague and non-committal about suspicions that AMG's reads feel forced, and talk about a SK role that we know isn't in the game. I never like it when people say something like "I'm interested in seeing where this goes though." Just means they have no plans of making it go somewhere themselves...so I think to myself....then what good are you?

On March 08 2018 07:16 AMG wrote:


I'm a single parent that works. Activity will not be consistent. And when I return to the thread with a point to make, only to see someone has already said it, I see no need to repeat what I'm saying.

And if you can't follow along with my thought process on why I've stepped away from my tubesock read, and, i was being nice about it up until this point, I'll absolutely spell it out for you: he's playing too stupid for me to expect logical and sensible responses and play from and I've gleaned that from our most recent conversation. Therefore I wont be calling him scum for not living up to the expectations that I have of him, I'm going to call him dumb town and move on to discussing other players.

On March 08 2018 07:20 darthfoley wrote:


I can't remember Tubesock actually pushing anyone. He's been on the defensive all game, and I also disagree with his town read on prplhz

On March 08 2018 07:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not gonna be here to defend myself in the final minutes so I'm a good shenanigan target but you probably shouldn't kill me

On March 08 2018 07:37 rsoultin wrote:


Yeah, no. Not voting for him.

Saying you have 'no reason' to townread someone does not read to me as more scummy than outright saying you think afkers this game are more likely to be scum because of the balance. I don't necessarily agree with his thoughts, but the vote makes sense in context to me.

On March 08 2018 07:45 rsoultin wrote:


I'll take prp over df. I really think df is town here, though I'm not going to pretend that he's someone that I'm sure I can read. But why not tube?

On March 08 2018 07:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:

uhhh wats a guardian

On March 08 2018 08:03 darthfoley wrote:
Meh I thought we got him considering he was lurking at deadline

On March 08 2018 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
I'm healing df.

On March 08 2018 09:51 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah, not saying it wasn't but this is mafia and when it goes against the collective thought for reasons other people struggle to see then it deserves to be looked into. That's quite literally the game.

On March 08 2018 23:52 Holyflare wrote:
He explained it? He said he'd rather vote a guy who posts absolutely nothing than a guy that has posted something but could come back. Just used a lot more words.

On March 08 2018 14:18 n00bKing wrote:

...huh?

Because Kelsier was a no-show (in the game thread at least) and prpl wasn't. You act like one vs. the other is an equivalent choice. It's not.

If people want to make a big deal over this, I can explain further. But I would have thought that the reasons why you lynch a literal no-show (like Kelsier or chaoser) over someone who makes a few posts and then bails for the rest of the Phase (like prpl or damdred) were fairly obvious.

On March 08 2018 15:28 n00bKing wrote:

You can't get as much information from killing someone who is low-activity as you can get from seeing what they say if they aren't DEAD. In my experience, people who are low activity usually tend to come back. And if they're Town, they can still contribute (they did show SOME interest in participating in the game after it started, at least, and they have seen SOME of what happened, as it happened) and if they're Scum, their posts will give you more opportunities to catch them. As well as more opportunities to see who they end up tied to WHILE you catch them.

Conversely, I've virtually never seen a total Day 1 no-show Town player come into the thread later, and then play like a rock star. Those players hadn't shown that interest in participating, and then by the time they come along, the thread is unwieldy, and reading filters doesn't yield context if you weren't following along at the time. Even reading the thread straight through may not yield proper context, if you aren't paying attention to timestamps the whole way too. The value to the Town of a Town player who no-showed Day 1 is LOW. But the value to the Mafia of a Mafia player who no-showed Day 1 is still HIGH. His value to his team erodes at a MUCH slower rate, and that doesn't even account for the possibility that the Mafia no-show has actually been participating in the scum thread while hiding from the game thread, in which case he's already adding utility for his team.

If Day 1 discussion yields a reasonably strong consensus of who to scumread, you always lynch that player first. If not, and there's a player with ZERO posts, you fall back on lynching him, over players who are merely low-activity. That's the way the game was taught to me, and I feel like the logic is sound. My attempts to get votes onto Tubesock *lost* ground, and then stalled altogether, as he ceased to even be a topic anymore. I didn't like lynching the counterwagon, so I went to the no-shows and picking Kelsier over chaoser made good sense to me for reasons that I hopefully don't need to repeat to you.

On March 08 2018 06:05 n00bKing wrote:
Alright HF, you've said that DF's filter is "all just filler posts and no actual want to solve anything" and followed up later by saying "No drive, probably mafia." But we have plenty of players in the game who have shown no drive, or have put in no effort to solve anything, or have been no help. Kelsier and chaoser have been no help. prpl has been no help. I feel like Tubesock has been no help. When we're 46 hours into the game, I think you'd have to categorize Damdred (and his mighty single-page filter) as having been little or no help. If I lump DF into that category, it means that fully half of the other 12 players in the game with me have been no help.

So I don't think DF's lack of drive automatically makes him a good lynch, unless you feel like a Town DF *would* show an actual "want to solve anything" and *would* show "drive." Is that the case? Because again, unless there's reason for you to expect more than this from a Town DF, then I don't see anything that makes this particular mole the one that needs whacking.

His posting style is pretty careless. The filter is filled with him either repeating something he already said, or repeating something someone else already said.

An example of him repeating himself is this post:

He'd already named all 4 of those players as townreads. No need for a new, distinct post that merely says the same thing.

And an example of him repeating another player is this:

That post might as well be a copy & paste of Moosy's "King of Wagons" thing. (By the way, I think "Wagon King" would sound way cooler than "King of Wagons." Calls to mind the Witch King. Good stuff.)

DF also parroted my verbiage almost exactly, when talking about prpl's "wishy washyness."

I'd expect a little more caution and a little more mindfulness than this, from most scum players. If a scum player wasn't going to pay any more attention than this, why bother even making the posts? Just be yet another afk dude instead.

I'd expect a little more caution and a little more mindfulness than this, from most scum players. If a scum player wasn't going to pay any more attention than this, why bother even making the posts? Just be yet another afk dude instead.