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On March 06 2018 16:49 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:23 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 16:17 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 16:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2018 15:18 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 14:42 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 12:51 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 11:28 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 11:09 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 09:16 Tubesock wrote:
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agreed, I think he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia.
What are you "agreeing" with? Because what Fecalfeast said and what you said are NOT the same. I agree that HF can fakeclaim as either alignment, that I don't believe that him claiming should be alignment indicative in any way. Alright, thanks for making that clear. Because obviously there's a ton of difference between Fecalfeast saying "he fakes as town or mafia" and you saying "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia." I must be obtuse. I don't get why it's all that different in the context "is HolyFlare town for claiming" between "he fakes as town or mafia" or "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia"? Although, I meant to add "mafia medic" in there. What obvious difference do you see? The obvious difference is that Fecalfeast said HF makes fake claims as both Town and Mafia, while you said that HF could just as easily make the claim as Town medic or Mafia. If he makes the claim as Town medic, it's not FAKE. So what you did is take something Fecalfeast said, twisted it into something he DIDN'T say, and then "agreed" with it. That's why I forced you into telling us whether or not you agree with what he ACTUALLY said, and not just what you ACTED like he said. You told me you do agree with what he actually said, so I thanked you for your answer. I like this. He basically said I'm town medic and slipped  Eh, maybe. A true "scumslip" like that is pretty darn rare though. I'd be more interested in hearing whether anyone with prior history with Tubesock in games thinks its unusual for him to immediately take the claim at face value. Him "making nice" with the first person to claim medic may or may not be alignment-indicative for someone, depending on their personality. Anybody know him? You do realize that I think HF is either town medic or mafia medic.....how is that making nice? Cuz 75% of the medics are town. If someone says they're a medic and you immediately are like "yeah, I believe him" then if you're scum and believe HF to be one of the stronger town players, it could be an attempt to make him feel like he has an ally in you. You also instantly put damdred in your "town pile" for reasons that are...not real strong. Due to those things, it would be good if someone who knows your history could tell us whether you're someone who tends to randomly take claims at face value (as opposed to someone who is generally skeptical of them) and whether you're someone who tends to try and buddy up to notable Town players when you're Scum.
No one knows me on here. I play 4 games a year. Well that's a lie kinda, last couple years I played probably twice. I guess you could look back on my previous games (not all appear though). If I were scum, I'd just avoid Holyflare and kill him at night. Although I have gotten in two shitfights with him as mafia.
So, what are your thoughts about his claim? I just don't think there's much of a reason to fake claim. As either mafia or town it sets up plays which i think HF is all about. town/mafia he claims early and has a better chance of controlling the night kill to who he wants. I'm having a difficult time thinking of a reason that's plausible to fake claim.
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On March 06 2018 17:01 rsoultin wrote:
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I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.
Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.
I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.
I don't think I'd get anything out of a conversation with AMG. Prickly players only scum? That's certainly not my experience at all so we don't have common ground there. And I was more interested in n00bking. Which I'm still deciding on. I still don't like hypocrisy. I think his nitpicking is his way of digging deep for more understanding so I think it's towny.
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On March 06 2018 17:16 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:58 Tubesock wrote:
If I were scum, I'd just avoid Holyflare and kill him at night. Although I have gotten in two shitfights with him as mafia. When you were mafia or when he was mafia? Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:58 Tubesock wrote:
So, what are your thoughts about his claim?
I don't think anything about it yet. People say he makes fake claims as either allegiance.
I was mafia.
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On March 07 2018 05:50 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:47 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:
Tubesock, I implied you were mafia by your reaction and said someone you thought was scummy was almost certainly town.. you dont think either of those warrants further investigation or a response? Nope. I think the idea that only scum get salty is hilarious. You also don't seem to understand why I was "pricky". Do you understand what I didn't like about n00bking? I'm trying to wrap my head around what you took issue with with n00bking prior to this post. He says talking strategy is fine early, and he does so, but discussing a d2 mass claim is a discussion better had on day 2, I assume, because there are still things to unfold before day 2, I.e the lynch and the night actions. I don't see hypocracy or inconsistency in what n00bking is saying. Since this happened and there's been a pretty big pushback on your attempt to cast shade on him, you're now townreading him because he's too nitpicky with finer details, so he's now town. Is that an accurate summation of your read progression on n00bking? And now if noobking is town, where to from here, who is your next prime suspect?
This is what I said:
On March 06 2018 09:15 Tubesock wrote:
Hola
I like the idea of the coordinating medic shot via vote. A lot more information.
I am not sure about the mass claiming bit D2 though. I think it would be better for town to have the medics be unknown for a couple cycles before they claim.
It was more a response to Fecalfeast's idea of mass claiming D2, but it also advises town what I think town should do concerning mass claiming. In fact I wasn't specific because I understand the reality that when things change town players will start thinking it's a good idea/time and then it will present itself. The sentence prior even shows uncertainty about D2 claiming which would indicate I'm open to it if the conditions are right.
So, he then zeros in on my D2 comment and is just "No discussion of D2" and then goes on about the setup and pregame conversation. Like he nitpicked 1 thing, and ignored the rest. I don't think he thought about my post. I thought that was scummy. Like I don't think wanting to just talk about D1 mass claiming is inconsistent. But my post answers that question also, so he wasn't really looking to talk about it. Like he wanted to PUSH the mass claim D1. He even later tries to throw shade on Holyflare for shutting down claim talk. Clearly people are not into claiming D1.
As far as the nitpicky bit goes. In my experience, I'll say something weird and then people jump on my ass for it. Then a mafia sees thread sentiment and nitpicks to "lead" the charge. In this case I think n00b did that first so wasn't following thread sentiment. So, he's acting more like a Rels used to, rather than an opportunistic mafiosa.
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I don't have any scum reads yet. eeewww
It'll probably end up killing me, but I think with Vivax we should wait for him to see if he does his 3 posts to remain "active" which would basically guarantee him being mafia (unless they're great posts) or he gets modkilled.
I won't be voting for rsoul, HF, prplz, moose, or Damdred.
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On March 07 2018 10:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 10:22 Tubesock wrote:
I don't have any scum reads yet. eeewww
It'll probably end up killing me, but I think with Vivax we should wait for him to see if he does his 3 posts to remain "active" which would basically guarantee him being mafia (unless they're great posts) or he gets modkilled.
I won't be voting for rsoul, HF, prplz, moose, or Damdred. why not me when all I've done is claim medic and effectively try and lynch you and afk?
I want to see how your plan goes.
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On March 07 2018 10:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also do you have anything at all Tube? Arguments, defense, possible list of scum...?
Did I not just post something that answers all that?
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On March 07 2018 10:40 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 10:22 Tubesock wrote:
I don't have any scum reads yet. eeewww
It'll probably end up killing me, but I think with Vivax we should wait for him to see if he does his 3 posts to remain "active" which would basically guarantee him being mafia (unless they're great posts) or he gets modkilled.
I won't be voting for rsoul, HF, prplz, moose, or Damdred. You're advising a wait and see approach to the only counterwagon to yourself? Interesting. What do you like about prplhz filter?
I like that he lightly defended me.
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I like how he did it too. As mafia I don't think he would have defended me like he did. I think he would have been more firm in either the defense or attack.
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While I think n00b has done scummy things, I don't think he's mafia.
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On March 07 2018 11:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hm. Do something productive Tubesock. I want to see AMG's response to my question and will be back in a few to post what I think about this.
Why would a mafia Rsoultin try to start a wagon on Damdred? Shouldn't she be doing whatever it is she thinks that Damdred would town her for? I thought I saw you post something about her buttering him up? But that's not how I thought it went. Am I wrong?
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On March 07 2018 11:12 AMG wrote:
Hes not squirming like mafia do. That and hes advocating a 'wait and see' approach on the only other wagon to himself.... which is a person who hasn't even posted yet. From that Ill extrapolate that they're either mafia together, or Tubesock isn't mafia. Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there.
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Does this mean you think Fecalfeast is mafia? (I'm assuming not Rsoultin since you already towned her?) Or are you speaking generally?
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And you're assuming Vivax is town?
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Holyflare, why don't you like prplhz?
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I asked AMG for clarification about his "Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there" to see if it was a scum read on Fecalfeast or Rsoultin since they are the only ones pushing the Vivax lynch. Turns out he was just speaking generally so it's not a breadcrumb read. LOL I wasn't grasping at straws to scum AMG.
Moosy, do you have any scum reads outside of me? Like I'm pretty sure I'm an easy scumread since the majority of the thread scums me....
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On March 07 2018 11:06 Tubesock wrote:
Why would a mafia Rsoultin try to start a wagon on Damdred? Shouldn't she be doing whatever it is she thinks that Damdred would town her for? I thought I saw you post something about her buttering him up? But that's not how I thought it went. Am I wrong?
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On March 07 2018 12:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 12:06 Tubesock wrote:
I asked AMG for clarification about his "Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there" to see if it was a scum read on Fecalfeast or Rsoultin since they are the only ones pushing the Vivax lynch. Turns out he was just speaking generally so it's not a breadcrumb read. LOL I wasn't grasping at straws to scum AMG.
Moosy, do you have any scum reads outside of me? Like I'm pretty sure I'm an easy scumread since the majority of the thread scums me.... Also, I didn't think you were grasping at straws to scum AMG, I'm thinking you're grasping at straws to scum Fecal or anyone you can to get in with alignment with AMG who's thrown you the first life rope.
To some extent, shouldn't I be doing whatever I can to find an alternative wagon? you even say "Tubesock do something productive" so isn't looking for another wagon outside of me "productive"?
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On March 07 2018 12:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 12:20 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2018 11:06 Tubesock wrote:
Why would a mafia Rsoultin try to start a wagon on Damdred? Shouldn't she be doing whatever it is she thinks that Damdred would town her for? I thought I saw you post something about her buttering him up? But that's not how I thought it went. Am I wrong?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her. Most of this is feel based. Normally when I read rsoultin posts I'm thinking they're good points and agreeing with them because they line up with my thought process. But in this game it's like, again, she's on a completely different planet. Something I noticed really early on. + Show Spoiler +On March 06 2018 16:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:04 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum? My impression of his game so far can be boiled down to two sentences: Hey guys how should we play the setup that doesn't matter for another 48 hours! Hey guys do you have any thoughts? The first is fine if he were trying to get reads, but given the lack of reads he apparently got from it hes coming across to me as existing rather than solving. Huh. See this just shows how differently people approach the game than me. I thought he was towny because of this post. Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 08:51 Damdred wrote:On March 06 2018 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
I will always be healing my biggest scum read and I shall make it known. Good man, I know it won't be me (but it was) idk I'm not good at this game tho Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.
If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch? Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town. I might be getting super tinfoily here which is why I'm asking for feedback.
The issue I have with the metagame thing is it's so coinflippy. TownRsou would do that, and I'd accept mafiaRsou would do that. Why isn't it NAI? I think she's town because she's broadening discussion without stifling it. I don't see any motivation for mafia to do that.
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I don't understand why you towned Damdred for that "Good man, it won't be me (but it was)" comment. Can you expand that please?
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On March 07 2018 12:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 12:27 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2018 12:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:20 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2018 11:06 Tubesock wrote:
Why would a mafia Rsoultin try to start a wagon on Damdred? Shouldn't she be doing whatever it is she thinks that Damdred would town her for? I thought I saw you post something about her buttering him up? But that's not how I thought it went. Am I wrong?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her. Most of this is feel based. Normally when I read rsoultin posts I'm thinking they're good points and agreeing with them because they line up with my thought process. But in this game it's like, again, she's on a completely different planet. Something I noticed really early on. + Show Spoiler +On March 06 2018 16:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:04 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum? My impression of his game so far can be boiled down to two sentences: Hey guys how should we play the setup that doesn't matter for another 48 hours! Hey guys do you have any thoughts? The first is fine if he were trying to get reads, but given the lack of reads he apparently got from it hes coming across to me as existing rather than solving. Huh. See this just shows how differently people approach the game than me. I thought he was towny because of this post. Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 08:51 Damdred wrote:On March 06 2018 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
I will always be healing my biggest scum read and I shall make it known. Good man, I know it won't be me (but it was) idk I'm not good at this game tho On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.
If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch? Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town. I might be getting super tinfoily here which is why I'm asking for feedback. The issue I have with the metagame thing is it's so coinflippy. TownRsou would do that, and I'd accept mafiaRsou would do that. Why isn't it NAI? I think she's town because she's broadening discussion without stifling it. I don't see any motivation for mafia to do that. Are you even reading the quotes I'm linking...? Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 12:23 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2018 12:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:06 Tubesock wrote:
I asked AMG for clarification about his "Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there" to see if it was a scum read on Fecalfeast or Rsoultin since they are the only ones pushing the Vivax lynch. Turns out he was just speaking generally so it's not a breadcrumb read. LOL I wasn't grasping at straws to scum AMG.
Moosy, do you have any scum reads outside of me? Like I'm pretty sure I'm an easy scumread since the majority of the thread scums me.... Also, I didn't think you were grasping at straws to scum AMG, I'm thinking you're grasping at straws to scum Fecal or anyone you can to get in with alignment with AMG who's thrown you the first life rope. To some extent, shouldn't I be doing whatever I can to find an alternative wagon? you even say "Tubesock do something productive" so isn't looking for another wagon outside of me "productive"? I asked that and I asked this: Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 10:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also do you have anything at all Tube? Arguments, defense, possible list of scum...? Because I wanted to see what you would do. And while I agree with what others have said in that your tone has gotten better, you look like you're effectively just throwing shit at the wall trying to see if it will stick instead of actually trying. Instead of actually searching for Mafia, it looks like you're trying to get on the same page with AMG to cater to him because he offered you a life rope. Instead of reading the quotes I linked you, you're asking me a question which I answer in said quotes where I specifically ask for feedback. Instead of not asking me the same question someone already has (n00bKing) and which I've addressed with someone else (Fecalfeast), you ask me it again. I doubt you're actually trying and while your posts entering were tonally good, it reads to me atm like you're just trying to get anything to stick.
maybe I'll try to be more clear.
1. You scumread Rsoultin due to tinfoil that scumRsoultin would know that she should scum Damdred a little bit so he will townread her. Also asking for feedback. Is that correct so far?
2. I respond with "The issue I have with the metagame thing is it's so coinflippy. TownRsou would do that, and I'd accept mafiaRsou would do that. Why isn't it NAI?" Giving you feedback that I think it could be town rsoultin or mafia rsoultin. Then ask you why do you think it's not NAI since you obviously don't, I'm requesting more detail because what you posted so far wasn't enough.
3. I also say I townread Rsoultin for broadening discussion (moving it from me) without stifling it (not preventing anyone from saying their piece concerning me)". Do you have a response why mafia Rsoultin would do that? Like, she COULD but I don't think she would try enough to be effective at it. But she succeeded in getting another wagon started and moved the discussion from strategy/setup and me, to other reads on other people. Mafia Rsoultin could have made the token attempt and fizzled out easier without succeeding.
4. I don't even know how to respond to the aligning with AMG accusation.
5. You asked if I had arguments, points, or scumreads, but in the two of my posts before that I answered what I could already. I feel like I've only been defending, and I've already stated I don't have any scumreads.
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