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Well, I can't say this with amazing confidence unfortunately, because my research wasn't as conclusive as I'd like. In many ways moosy is playing completely different than two years ago as either alignment. Which kinda makes sense.
However, he's not really going anywhere, which is a bit more like his scum game, especially this late in the game after so many flips have happened. It's like he's not even trying to find the scum in the unclaimed VTs. So, I think I'll stick with my feels and what I think is most likely if mafia isn't playing stupid.
It's possible that mafia doesn't choose to kill a town Moosy here to try to make him the ml, but I really wonder what the point is. Slam is an easy ml if he's town. And maximizing town kills is just better if it doesn't poe anyone scum. We could have been in mylo (I mean, technically I think we still would have played the night phase cause there was still a chance to vig shot scum or get a save off) with three kills. I just don't see why scum passes that up.
Viva creating confusion is a nice narrative but it's counter to his win condition when it's clear no one is joining him on moosy and super easy to retract and just all 'heal' koshi once it's apparent the play doesn't work.
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On March 13 2018 20:11 rsoultin wrote:
Well, I can't say this with amazing confidence unfortunately, because my research wasn't as conclusive as I'd like. In many ways moosy is playing completely different than two years ago as either alignment. Which kinda makes sense.
However, he's not really going anywhere, which is a bit more like his scum game, especially this late in the game after so many flips have happened. It's like he's not even trying to find the scum in the unclaimed VTs. So, I think I'll stick with my feels and what I think is most likely if mafia isn't playing stupid.
It's possible that mafia doesn't choose to kill a town Moosy here to try to make him the ml, but I really wonder what the point is. Slam is an easy ml if he's town. And maximizing town kills is just better if it doesn't poe anyone scum. We could have been in mylo (I mean, technically I think we still would have played the night phase cause there was still a chance to vig shot scum or get a save off) with three kills. I just don't see why scum passes that up.
Viva creating confusion is a nice narrative but it's counter to his win condition when it's clear no one is joining him on moosy and super easy to retract and just all 'heal' koshi once it's apparent the play doesn't work.
Though tbf a Viva scum could only then get two kills so maybe the frame play on Moosy makes some sense in that context. It's not super far-sighted but it doesn't have to be.
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On March 12 2018 08:19 Vivax wrote:
What is this confirmed mafia shit I keep reading about me. There is no such thing as confirmed when it's clearly wrong, So tell me that reasoning so I can walk you to the mistake.
moosy, rso, hf, slam are the remaining vt claims with 1 mafia and you better have a good reason to lynch into medics first.
^ Btw this is the post I was referring to when I said that Viva made a reaction post that felt towny to me.
I'm not going to hang my hat on it because, well, yeah. We know how this worked for me with prp lol ><
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Do you even scumread me? Because from what I can tell this is associative with an unflipped medic and frankly if y'all lynch me after I was saved last night, whoever is town in this game 100% deserves the loss.
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Moreover I really have no clue how anyone this game thinks I could be scum over moosy and slam. My ego says over hf as well. But regardless it's pretty ridiculous.
I'll admit I'm not super sure on moosy being scum, but I really have no clue how you could be that sure he's town either when, assuming you are town and healed him, to you he has to be scum barring some pretty strange play from the scum team.
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On March 14 2018 00:25 Vivax wrote:
No I don't but it's otherwise just retarded that mafia would shoot you when they should shoot into the medics since it's a pool that wasn't going to get smaller in the next couple of days.
By shooting you it's like they wanted us to get closer to the mafia claiming VT which doesn't make sense so that only leaves cred shot as scenario.
Lol >< well I'm town so if y'all want to go down this wifom tinfoil path just to prove that a person you're not scumreading is actually town and was actually saved last night, just because you don't understand why scum doesn't shoot into the smaller medic pool where no one was wholly above suspicion...
Like it almost sounds to me like your ego is hurt >< rofl
I normally blame myself for being mislynched but that should legit be nominated.
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Viva, real talk, if I were the vt scum among the vts and the literal only person in the game people weren't scumreading, why would I NEED some stupid strat to get 'confirmed' over three kills last night including moosy that would all but win us the game. We'd mislynch slam or something today then shoot hf over me cause noob wham bam thank you maam thats game.
Your tinfoil is pure paranoia if you're even town here. And part of me thinks that scum don't come up with something this ludicrous in the first place so you probably are barring acta of pure desperation
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On March 14 2018 00:34 Holyflare wrote:
Rsoul who have your scum reads been since day 2?
What?
I've been thinking it's one of moosy or viva and think viva's probably the towny of the two of them.
I don't know between nk and ff. Nk just kind of dropped his read on moosy to only push you so a moosy scum flip makes him more likely to be scum in my eyes. I was thinking that once moosy flipped scum (cross fingers) we might just be best vigging ff for good measure but I don't think it matters much as long as I'm not super wrong on viva.
I highly doubt Df is scum pocketing me because that would require deliberately forgoing kills, and as I know I'm town and no one else but the scum team does for sure, I see little point in trying to get in hard with me when I probably would never have lynched him over the others anyway. Maybe noobking.
My noobking read is kind of dependent on moosy being scum.
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Maybe noobking means I'm not sure if I would have lynched df over him or not before the flip from n2.
And yeah I've already put my reads on you andslam into the thread multiple times. Not that I haven't talked about all the rest of this as well @.@ Apart from possible night actions tonight.
Maybe not so condensed, but I thought is made my stances more than clear throughout the day?
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On March 14 2018 00:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2018 00:37 rsoultin wrote:
Viva, real talk, if I were the vt scum among the vts and the literal only person in the game people weren't scumreading, why would I NEED some stupid strat to get 'confirmed' over three kills last night including moosy that would all but win us the game. We'd mislynch slam or something today then shoot hf over me cause noob wham bam thank you maam thats game.
Your tinfoil is pure paranoia if you're even town here. And part of me thinks that scum don't come up with something this ludicrous in the first place so you probably are barring acta of pure desperation Let's say we lynch moosy, we vig HF and one doc dies. We lynch slam. Now it's two docs vs you and DF. Mafia wins.
And? What I just described ends a day earlier than that, plus I'm pretty sure that would still go to night phase because technically night actions could get a mafia an brin it to lylo.
Like you're saying I as mafia chose to go the longer and harder way around to get the same result for kicks and giggles? And you're assuming that it wouldn't go wrong with way more phases for people to wonder about.
I'm not even sure why I'm discussing this ><
Is it technically possible? Yes.
Is it anything but retarded, especially coming out of last scum game when I sucked major balls and was constantly under suspicion? No.
I'm neuter that retarded nor arrogant @.@
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You like looking old games to make your reads?
I've been trying to play scum at the level of above suspicion that I've been playin town since I returned. I can't.
Look at the game that just ended and tell me this game looks like this one.
I'm not even sure what the difference is myself but since it seems so obvious to eeryone else id expect a town viva to be able to see that too.
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On March 14 2018 00:55 Holyflare wrote:
Testing if rsoul is mafia is easy. We just don't do wild healing shenanigans.
There's this.
Or we could just actually lynch mafia today and then I'm pretty sure that's auto with four confirmed town lol ><
Everyone is super pessismistic this won't work. Id call it tmi but apparently the pessimism is widely contagious.
And now I'm going to stop phone posting and do the errands I was supposed to be doing after class @.@
Frankly, viva, I don't know that moosy is scum as I said. But I have more reasons to think you're town. And frankly I think those reasons are better than a meta dive you made when I just want through six of his games just this morning. I found him pretty tough to nail down.
Anyway, toodles.
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On March 14 2018 01:03 Vivax wrote:
Even if mafia had balls and got greedy and killed a medic tonight along with moosy who I assume to be town for now.
rso, hf, slam vs 3 medics.
Lynch hf. Slam gets vigged, medic dies. 1 vt 1 mafia vs 1 doc 1 mafia. Mafia wins if rsoultin makes it through the scrutiny.
So if rso and df actually did this play it takes away scrutiny from rso without really changing what happens next at the cost of 1 extra cycle to play if I'm not mistaken.
It's wifom but this is just not something id do right off the back of another scum game, and a shit one at that. Probably not ever. I dont actually enjoy playing scum nearly enough to want to extend the game, especially needlessly. I was under no pressure and we weren't lynching medics until the mafia in the vts was found anyway.
Yeah. This is the last post I'll make about this. I'll address any genuine reasons to scumread me I suppose, should you or anyone else produce any.
But I don't see how I can fight suboptimal hypotheticals that you seem determined to believe in despite how little sense they'd make for me as scum.
I don't think you're scum, and I don't think you're bad. So all I can call it is paranoid viva going down the rabbit hole.
And frankly, I'm trying hard not to be offended that you think it's so impossible mafia would try to shoot me. That you're basing it off setup makes it a little better, but still...that's cold lol ><
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On March 14 2018 01:15 Vivax wrote:
Oh boy.
##Vote: HF
Not to be a wet blanket, but how does this make sense to you either?
Now you think df is going to confirm me town rather than just kill me? Doesn't that make it more rather than less likely to get it lynched, especially with my reading him scum at the end of n2 over the other vt claims?
Are you just super convinced df is scum or what's going on here?
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To get hf lynched, rather. Autocorrect is the bane of my existence @.@
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On March 14 2018 01:20 rsoultin wrote:Not to be a wet blanket, but how does this make sense to you either? Now you think df is going to confirm me town rather than just kill me? Doesn't that make it more rather than less likely to get it lynched, especially with my reading him scum at the end of n2 over the other vt claims? Are you just super convinced df is scum or what's going on here?
Hf rather. Autocorrect is the bane of my existence @.@
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On March 14 2018 01:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2018 01:20 rsoultin wrote:On March 14 2018 01:15 Vivax wrote:
Oh boy.
##Vote: HF Not to be a wet blanket, but how does this make sense to you either? Now you think df is going to confirm me town rather than just kill me? Doesn't that make it more rather than less likely to get it lynched, especially with my reading him scum at the end of n2 over the other vt claims? Are you just super convinced df is scum or what's going on here? Well if you are town he pockets you, associates himself with you and if he actually killed you it wouldn't have made things easier for mafia.
Am I wrong that it's basically auto if we lynch scum today?
Literally anything that would make it more likely for hf to die seems really stupid.
Though I agree that the amg kill is what had me eyeballing both you and hf. Df was under fire, but I suppose your story could make sense with him, just not with hf. And he could be scum independent of df (which I think is the more likely of the two scenarios).
I just highly doubt scum somehow orchestrated their entire night around predicting how id react to both not killing me and not killing moosy while claiming a save on me. I don't think I'm that predictable? Hf was my lynch of choice at the end of n2.
Blah. The other one who was very townread at the time was noobking. But yeah that amg kill is really strange.
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I'm kind of glad we discussed this because this does make mefeel more secure on my read on you.
But frankly I can't get behind the tinfoil viva. You're basing your reads on wifom and little else, apart from the moosy read.
I think it's far more likely that I was just saved and moosy didn't die because he's scum than scum was making mad plays.
I could be wrong. I just don't think so. And if you're town, I don't see myself lynching anyone but moosy today.
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On March 14 2018 01:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'll lynch anyone at this point. Rso who's scum
Moosy I think. But I'd prefer you got your own opinion. And actually explained it in thread.
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Anyway now I really do have to go, at least if I plan on going to the gym tonight for the first time in over a week @.@
Will be back tonight for at least the last hour.
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