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On March 11 2018 20:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:
This reminds me of the game where I was VT, hard defended mafia noobking from the whole thread, told ruxxar to kill himself, and got modkilled. Except im not the one defending noobking this time
Is there a specific reason this reminds you of that...i.e. a way in particular that he's playing...or is it just that you did it once and you were wrong?
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Yeah, he does have a tendency to speak in absolutes as town that at the very least are misleading if not outright incorrect the way he says them.
Also Vivax was the third medic claim, if we're being technical. I don't know how that affects HF's reads if that's what he's using to make them, but df had already hard-claimed and ff had already soft-claimed well before the mass claim. I don't know why scum would necessarily have to claim last, either. I could make an argument for why they'd like to claim before all the claims come out, but whatever. It's WIFOM to me.
Idk. I've got not so great reasons to think the other three could be town, and I don't want a scum HF to win, but I also just had myself thoroughly convinced in obs that he was scum when he wasn't for hard scum-siding. Including shouting out that a blue was a blue (not that directly, but hardly subtle just the same) during the night and saying that confirmed him the next day because the blue claim wasn't dead @.@
Slam - tone, historically not great at reading him though
Koshi - idk why scum keeps pushing the slow, better for town play here, and I don't fundamentally disagree with his tinfoil, and also scumreading hf/viva is hardly good for him if he's interested in survival
Moosy - mostly feels, and the points against him are invalid in my eyes
So yeah, not great reasons to think the others could be town ><
Plus I've been pretty wrong this game so far. So there's that.
Anyway the likelihood that even if I were 100% convinced hf is scum here we could get the medic vig shot on him is pretty damn low, so maybe the best bet really is to just hope I'm wrong on koshi since it looks like that's how this is going to go anyway.
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On March 11 2018 21:29 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 21:25 rsoultin wrote:
Anyway the likelihood that even if I were 100% convinced hf is scum here we could get the medic vig shot on him is pretty damn low, so maybe the best bet really is to just hope I'm wrong on koshi since it looks like that's how this is going to go anyway. DF said he was townreading the Damdred/Koshi slot, and his last post in the thread mentioned making HF the heal target. I guess we'll see what he says when he returns.
o.0 Did I miss that? I thought he was targeting slam?
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On March 11 2018 21:30 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 21:29 n00bKing wrote:On March 11 2018 21:25 rsoultin wrote:
Anyway the likelihood that even if I were 100% convinced hf is scum here we could get the medic vig shot on him is pretty damn low, so maybe the best bet really is to just hope I'm wrong on koshi since it looks like that's how this is going to go anyway. DF said he was townreading the Damdred/Koshi slot, and his last post in the thread mentioned making HF the heal target. I guess we'll see what he says when he returns. o.0 Did I miss that? I thought he was targeting slam?
Yeah, he's targeting slam. He just said he could target HF if he wanted to be Nk'd because there is no way scum is doing it lol ><
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On March 11 2018 21:34 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax's posts allude to him being medic because he was reluctant to have the mass claim which you could argue a mafia would be but to me it looks like a medic that didn't want to reveal he was a medic.
I do in fact agree that it means literally nothing because both have reason to be reluctant.
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On March 11 2018 21:42 Holyflare wrote:
BOTH have reasons to be reluctant but only one of those says it in the thread knowing they are medic. The other one would have had to have chosen that they are claiming medic out of their team beforehand, prepared it in thread, made a whole post about better night actions and then claimed it. It feels far more natural TO ME.
This you may be right about. And he may just seem scummy because he decided not to play as town  rather than because he fell off as he normally does when he's scum.
I still don't understand why that doesn't bother you any. You know that about him as much as I do.
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-squints at-
I'm just going to make a mental note to follow that up later if I'm here. Because when he replaced in for me you certainly had a different opinion.
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Anyway, if my opinion matters I think hf is the scum of the non-claimers. I'm just not terribly certain @.@
Lex is up, and I don't see myself getting any closer to certainty today, so toodles.
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@,@
I guess this should have been predictable given we have one fake claim. HF is right that if we can't get to a consensus on who to nk that's 3 deaths instead of 2, and his proposal at least minimizes the hemorraghing. I actually like it, because I think the best way for mafia to play is to just kill one person if they don't want to confirm a medic.
The other option is to come to a consensus and any medic unwilling to follow that just becomes the vig shot. That might be harder if FF is avoiding the thread.
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On March 12 2018 06:08 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:06 rsoultin wrote:
@,@
I guess this should have been predictable given we have one fake claim. HF is right that if we can't get to a consensus on who to nk that's 3 deaths instead of 2, and his proposal at least minimizes the hemorraghing. I actually like it, because I think the best way for mafia to play is to just kill one person if they don't want to confirm a medic.
The other option is to come to a consensus and any medic unwilling to follow that just becomes the vig shot. That might be harder if FF is avoiding the thread. We don't need consensus. We just need 3/4 medics on board.
Yeah, that's what I meant, sorry for the confusion.
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I think I'd prefer slam to koshi but I kinda think they're both town, so...
I'm not certain enough about anything this game to argue tooth and nail over it, though.
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Also, we still have a little over an hour, don't we? I thought deadline was at 23:59 CET...or is this a daylight saving's time thing with the US, in which case I've no earthly clue when deadline is.
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On March 12 2018 06:14 Vivax wrote:
Moosy I'm 100 % sure you were around when I said I wanted to kill Koshi, cause you also were around when I told rsoultin that I didn't need to do much traditional scumhunting while we were playing setup. Like you said.
But that means you were around and didn't take any of what we said into serious account.
Cause you don't need to remember anything about what townies said when you're mafia and not under pressure.
My action is on Moosy. Looking forward to which medic is going to contribute.
Moosy could be scum but not for this. Not remembering something, or misremembering something, is not alignment indicative -_-
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On March 12 2018 06:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:15 rsoultin wrote:
Also, we still have a little over an hour, don't we? I thought deadline was at 23:59 CET...or is this a daylight saving's time thing with the US, in which case I've no earthly clue when deadline is. Daylight savings happened in the US so we are one hour ahead yes.
Blah -_-
Well, as I see it, if any of the medics agree with Viva, everyone on moosy. Otherwise we have the other three consolidate on another target.
HF's plan is technically fine but I don't know that we can get it organized in so little time.
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On March 12 2018 06:18 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:06 rsoultin wrote:
HF is right that if we can't get to a consensus on who to nk that's 3 deaths instead of 2, and his proposal at least minimizes the hemorraghing. I actually like it, because I think the best way for mafia to play is to just kill one person if they don't want to confirm a medic. He's only "right" about that because other players badgered him into admitting that his original suggestion was horrendous. It appears you're right about the deadline, so explain why letting mafia kill one person and forfeiting the vig shot is beneficial to us. We apparently have time to listen.
He's right that medics spilt onto two targets equals three deaths. Then we just hope one of those is the mafia in the claimed VT's. Otherwise it's already mylo tomorrow.
I prefer consolidation on one target. His plan is better than what was happening, is the point.
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FF not being here to at least get this nailed down is not giving me the warm fuzzies. Which is lovely because the last thing I need is more scumspects.
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On March 12 2018 06:23 Holyflare wrote:
I think moosy is a bad kill and vivax looks bad proposing it.
I hate his reasoning, that's for sure. He didn't remember something and asked questions!
Slam feels like a copout to me but honestly that may be our best option here. Assuming FF ever returns to thread.
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On March 12 2018 06:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:23 rsoultin wrote:
FF not being here to at least get this nailed down is not giving me the warm fuzzies. Which is lovely because the last thing I need is more scumspects. I really hope FF is the mafia doc cause then the mafia doc can't kill Koshi while I'm on moosy. Which means that moosy is scum if I die and he lives.
Your logic isn't foolproof, but it's the most likely scenario regarding moosy. That said, this would be true of anyone you decided to cowboy your medic save on if you're town. And that doesn't change that I don't like why you're doing it in the first place.
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Fair. But I'm less concerned about all that and more concerned about wrangling the cats to actually take advantage of our vig shot, noob.
My proposal is this.
We will pretend fecalfeast doesn't exist since he's apparently decided not to join us tonight.
If both darth and noob don't want a moosy kill, decide who you're going to kill. Vivax, you get on him too so we're not in mylo. And if any one of the three of you is obstinate and unwilling to play ball, the other two medics just heal [i]him/i].
Right now coordination is way more important than obstinance. We're treating this as majority medic opinion rules.
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We can't allow any one medic to hold the coordinated vig shot hostage. This wouldn't be an issue if FF were here, but yeah.
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