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On March 11 2018 19:47 Holyflare wrote:
If you quote one liners where he says "x looks like town" then I will gladly tell you to go away because that is not a good read that is fleshed out. He starts the day even saying ff and vivax look like medics and noob got caught but then when ff and vivax haven't posted the noob read disappeared and it became tinfoil based on absolutely nothing.
Koshi has also not called me lock town for playing so anti town and being annoying which is how he reads me so he's already setting me up for a lynch later by keeping that option open.
Let me ask. If you get rid of tinfoil koshi team who does he think is mafia?
How are you reading vivax town, that's what I'd like to know?
And why should I get rid of koshi's tinfoil team? (You've answered your own question. He does have reads. You may not like what his reads are, or how little they're explained, but that doesn't equate to no reads.)
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On March 11 2018 19:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 19:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Honestly though this game is kind of weird for me because normally in my Mafia games, it's people lining up on the Moosy wagon D1 and/or putting a lot of pressure on me and neither of those things have happened so far.
So I'm in this weird position where on my return to TL Mafia I kind of want to troll a little less and be a little more serious but I often tend to decide on the flip of a coin whether to respond seriously to pressure or go into super troll mode with a large tendency to resort to trolling...but since there's really no pressure I can't really troll a lot or actually tryhard. So my filter's just kind of growing omegalul. What exactly were you expecting people to pressure you on prior to this post, Moosy?
Please answer this moosy.
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On March 11 2018 19:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 19:46 rsoultin wrote:On March 11 2018 19:42 Holyflare wrote:
The case on me is that I've played anti town when that's my blatant town meta and always has been. Truth been told I hadn't played anti town at all.
The fake claim either wasted a mafia medic or rb on myself or df. The mass claim turned out to be shit and now they're gonna die one by one instead.
Turns out you guys were the anti town ones all along. Now about me rescinding the claim? Why would I keep it up? There's no benefit to weaving a lie the entire day 2. If I say I was still medic that healed df then that means he's likely mafia when it turns out he might not be. It also grossly misleads people. Waste of time. More info is way better than making people waste time assuming wrong scenarios. If I say I healed prplhz then they'll ask why I was still not pushing df. Again, waste of time.
Now this nk thing? 25% chance to hit mafia. If 3 medics die we have a guaranteed mafia to lynch tomorrow. Accelerates the game to my liking. How do 3 medics die exactly? Vivax and ff heal noob and df. Df and noob heal each other. If df and noob are both medics then mafia cover for the non-medic by healing df or noob and both die. Mafia also have a nk and kill either into the non-medic pool or the medic pool. Killing into the medic pool guarantees mafia. Non medic pool gives us 50/50.
Nh. We're at what...7v2
That would bring us to 4v2 on a 50/50 between medics if we don't hit mafia. And I don't think you will if you're not nking viva. And scum never shoots the 3rd medic there anyway, that's a no-brainer.
But say noob or df is scum. We go to 5v1. That gives us a mislynch and another shot before we have to hit scum. <- That scenario isn't so bad at all.
I'm just not convinced that we don't go to the first one.
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On March 11 2018 19:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:On March 11 2018 19:42 Vivax wrote:
Kelsiers strategy of trying to skate on big puppy eyes didn't quite work. Good, good.
##Vote: Koshi Dude, if you don't give me more than this N2, I'm going to scumread you forever. It feels like you're just content to skate by because you know we have to lynch your partner first. I want reads. Informed by new things in thread. Not some vig shot the least common denominator crap without at least explaining how you get there. There's enough crap in the thread to solve the game probably, but creating more crap isn't the way to solve it. I'm also hung over and dropped moist coffee powder all over my floor and I really cba to read much today. That gabalier dude played at my village yesterday. I even saw Brits run around. When I can get killed thanks to the mass claim already I see little reason to put in more effort. Mafia kills medics, medics kill non medics. When we are done with that I can be convinced to play more. This is the way the others chose to play and now I'm not going to get shit on for it since I was against mass claiming in the first place.
^ This is town to you, hf?
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I'm sorry that I forced this on everyone. Apparently getting the claims out now means that scumhunting is impossible for people. My bad. I don't understand why I'm bothering if no one else can be bothered.
Maybe because noobking actually is playing, I don't know.
I have other things to do with my life than try to help figure this game out, too, you know. Like, how the hell does having mass claims mean there's no need to scum hunt? There's still two scum!
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On March 11 2018 20:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
rsoultin, can you explain why noobking is town to you?
Mostly feels and giving a shit and actually trying to work through things. And really I don't see the arguments against him at all, so there's that, too.
Who gives a fuck if he voted KSC D1? He's right that we'd stopped pushing for a tube lynch at the time. Who gives a fuck if he asks questions? So do you. Maybe I'm a tard, and he's pocketing me, but frankly he's the only one this game who is making sense to me and who seems to understand what I'm saying.
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On March 11 2018 20:07 Holyflare wrote:
Only vivax stopped posting reads and you're attributing that to him being mafia so surely that's just more fuel for the fire if he's mafia?
Moosy aggreeing with it set me off -_-
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On March 11 2018 19:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 19:39 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 19:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Honestly though this game is kind of weird for me because normally in my Mafia games, it's people lining up on the Moosy wagon D1 and/or putting a lot of pressure on me and neither of those things have happened so far.
So I'm in this weird position where on my return to TL Mafia I kind of want to troll a little less and be a little more serious but I often tend to decide on the flip of a coin whether to respond seriously to pressure or go into super troll mode with a large tendency to resort to trolling...but since there's really no pressure I can't really troll a lot or actually tryhard. So my filter's just kind of growing omegalul. What exactly were you expecting people to pressure you on prior to this post, Moosy? Nothing in particular actually. Normally when I start playing games with for example rayn, he notices something in my posts he doesn't like whether it be an inconsistency or whatever, and he calls me out on it. It happens regardless of whether I'm town or Mafia or whether I think I'm playing well or not it just happens. It's probably because I tend to post things without thinking most of the time. Then I get frustrated by his tunnel and questioning so I tend to make a decision on the flip of a hat whether I'm going to troll or not with a high tendency to troll. This game there was actually no one like rayn so I was able to stick to my goal of keeping trolling to a minimum since I didn't get frustrated by someone tunneling me. I don't think this post is relevant though because again, it's meta, it's been 2 years, I'm trying to be reformed, a lot happens in 2 years, irl stuff that changes perspectives, this is just a game, etc, etc, yadda, yadda.
It's relevant. You were using your trolling to try to catch scum. If that's changed, why?
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Well I'm just going to say vivax is the scum medic, because if he's not he's already fucked people over because we did something he didn't want and he'd rather just medic whoever he wants instead of playing with town.
Because if he is town there's no point to me putting any effort in either. I just sit here and hope that I'm wrong on koshi. Which is possible, too.
I just...gah. Well, your idea won't work either, hf. Cause vivax decided he's gonna do what he wants.
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On March 11 2018 20:17 Vivax wrote:
Why am I doing what only, I want? FF posted that he's cool with healing Koshi, I'm cool with healing Koshi as well. So we can healkill Koshi both and Noobking and df can claim to be doing whatever.
If Koshi flips scum that also clears me and FF and the next days one of Noobking or DF flips mafia, or one of them claims to have healed Koshi as well and we lynch him.
I'm going to heal Koshi, now to wait what the other medic claims claim to be doing.
Because two people is hardly a majority? But whatever.
You guys can be right and I can be wrong again.
Lex is off for the first time in ages, so if this is how we're going to play the nk's rather than discuss and collaborate (or only within the medics discuss and collaborate) then I guess I'm superfluous.
I'll find something better to do.
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On March 11 2018 20:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 08:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 11 2018 08:11 n00bKing wrote:By the way, Moosy, I've seen you play both allegiances before, and this right here: On March 11 2018 06:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also let's calm down with the insults and flinging dirt at each other people. Its just a gaem at the end of the day whether people dont play optimally or not. is NOT what I remember from Town Moosy. No one flings dirt and insults like Town Moosy. This "can't we all just get along?" stuff is NOT your Town meta. So I can add a meta read against you to the association case against you. That's because I'm r e f o r m e d dude. After thinking about all the times I got mad during this game I've decided it's not worth it. It's also why I'm trying to troll a little less because people got mad over it and I don't want to ruin people's days that way. It sucks to try and play the game and have to deal with someone's shit. @rsoultin why i changed from trolling
Nh. I don't know why I asked that question anyway @.@ I can't verify why you change something.
It's just that you said that you caught scum by people piling on you D1 for trolling. So I don't know why you'd change that. And if it's an active thing you were doing, which you're not doing now, why would you expect people scumreading you?
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On March 11 2018 20:19 Holyflare wrote:
It also DOES change my read on df. If DF is town then I fully believe mafia would think I'm healing him and waste their medic heal on him as a chance to get two night kills. If DF is a town medic then they think I'm also a town medic and instead of wasting their NK on DF for guaranteed medic kills they use their NK on AMG and try and get two kills in one since that's their only option.
If I did not say that I was healing df and he was a town medic then they nk him and we're down a medic for later in the game with no other nk info and we're still in the same mass claim situation with a mafia fake claiming.
This is a pretty fair point. I mean, it could also be an excuse as to why df didn't die, but I don't see why scum wouldn't want to kill a claimed medic.
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On March 11 2018 20:27 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 20:19 Holyflare wrote:
It also DOES change my read on df. If DF is town then I fully believe mafia would think I'm healing him and waste their medic heal on him as a chance to get two night kills. If DF is a town medic then they think I'm also a town medic and instead of wasting their NK on DF for guaranteed medic kills they use their NK on AMG and try and get two kills in one since that's their only option.
If I did not say that I was healing df and he was a town medic then they nk him and we're down a medic for later in the game with no other nk info and we're still in the same mass claim situation with a mafia fake claiming. This is a pretty fair point. I mean, it could also be an excuse as to why df didn't die, but I don't see why scum wouldn't want to kill a claimed medic.
Let me just add, I don't see why they wouldn't want to kill a claimed medic while knowing that their rb'er was dying.
I still find the AMG nk odd, though. He literally wasn't pushing anything but prp, and prp was dying anyway.
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On March 11 2018 20:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 20:25 rsoultin wrote:On March 11 2018 20:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 11 2018 08:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 11 2018 08:11 n00bKing wrote:By the way, Moosy, I've seen you play both allegiances before, and this right here: On March 11 2018 06:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also let's calm down with the insults and flinging dirt at each other people. Its just a gaem at the end of the day whether people dont play optimally or not. is NOT what I remember from Town Moosy. No one flings dirt and insults like Town Moosy. This "can't we all just get along?" stuff is NOT your Town meta. So I can add a meta read against you to the association case against you. That's because I'm r e f o r m e d dude. After thinking about all the times I got mad during this game I've decided it's not worth it. It's also why I'm trying to troll a little less because people got mad over it and I don't want to ruin people's days that way. It sucks to try and play the game and have to deal with someone's shit. @rsoultin why i changed from trolling Nh. I don't know why I asked that question anyway @.@ I can't verify why you change something. It's just that you said that you caught scum by people piling on you D1 for trolling. So I don't know why you'd change that. And if it's an active thing you were doing, which you're not doing now, why would you expect people scumreading you? I think you just explained why. Ofc its going to feel weird changing metas and seeing everything be different...but that doesnt mean its not going to feel weird. So ofc it felt weird. But again, its meta so I really do think its pointless to discuss this.
What?
I really do want an answer. If this method worked for you in the past, why change it? And why expect people to keep scumreading you if you weren't actively trolling to try to get scum to push you?
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On March 11 2018 20:32 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 20:19 Holyflare wrote:
It also DOES change my read on df. If DF is town then I fully believe mafia would think I'm healing him and waste their medic heal on him as a chance to get two night kills. If DF is a town medic then they think I'm also a town medic and instead of wasting their NK on DF for guaranteed medic kills they use their NK on AMG and try and get two kills in one since that's their only option.
If I did not say that I was healing df and he was a town medic then they nk him and we're down a medic for later in the game with no other nk info and we're still in the same mass claim situation with a mafia fake claiming. There's no way for you to know whether "they think you're also a town medic" in that scenario. But that doesn't even matter. There's nothing stopping them from just killing DF if that's what they want to do. "That's their only option?" No it's not. If DF is a true town medic, then even if they believe you are one too, but aren't sure whether you're telling the truth about healing him, they can just RB you and kill him anyway. There's no way for your fake claim to keep them from killing any player they want (including the revealed medic), and there was no way for their roles to keep US from killing whoever WE want.
Two kills for the price of one is attractive, noob. It means a quicker end. I'd take that risk as scum.
What makes it impossible for what hf is saying to be true?
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On March 11 2018 20:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 20:31 rsoultin wrote:On March 11 2018 20:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 11 2018 20:25 rsoultin wrote:On March 11 2018 20:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 11 2018 08:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 11 2018 08:11 n00bKing wrote:By the way, Moosy, I've seen you play both allegiances before, and this right here: On March 11 2018 06:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also let's calm down with the insults and flinging dirt at each other people. Its just a gaem at the end of the day whether people dont play optimally or not. is NOT what I remember from Town Moosy. No one flings dirt and insults like Town Moosy. This "can't we all just get along?" stuff is NOT your Town meta. So I can add a meta read against you to the association case against you. That's because I'm r e f o r m e d dude. After thinking about all the times I got mad during this game I've decided it's not worth it. It's also why I'm trying to troll a little less because people got mad over it and I don't want to ruin people's days that way. It sucks to try and play the game and have to deal with someone's shit. @rsoultin why i changed from trolling Nh. I don't know why I asked that question anyway @.@ I can't verify why you change something. It's just that you said that you caught scum by people piling on you D1 for trolling. So I don't know why you'd change that. And if it's an active thing you were doing, which you're not doing now, why would you expect people scumreading you? I think you just explained why. Ofc its going to feel weird changing metas and seeing everything be different...but that doesnt mean its not going to feel weird. So ofc it felt weird. But again, its meta so I really do think its pointless to discuss this. What? I really do want an answer. If this method worked for you in the past, why change it? And why expect people to keep scumreading you if you weren't actively trolling to try to get scum to push you? ? I just explained these 2 questions.
You can say that you changed because it made people angry, and that answers the first question (not entirely satisfactorily for me, but whatever, it certainly can still be true).
Stating that you're used to rayn people jumping up your ass though doesn't match up with why you said you trolled before...though tbf that was years ago. Before you said you were doing it to trap scum by luring them into pushing you. Like this was an active strategy of yours. Wasn't it? Were you lying in that town game?
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HF, what happened to your points on me? You were arguing with noob that they were still valid (and I'm not going to bother addressing that again), so doesn't that mean you still believe them?
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On March 11 2018 20:44 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 20:35 rsoultin wrote:On March 11 2018 20:32 n00bKing wrote:On March 11 2018 20:19 Holyflare wrote:
It also DOES change my read on df. If DF is town then I fully believe mafia would think I'm healing him and waste their medic heal on him as a chance to get two night kills. If DF is a town medic then they think I'm also a town medic and instead of wasting their NK on DF for guaranteed medic kills they use their NK on AMG and try and get two kills in one since that's their only option.
If I did not say that I was healing df and he was a town medic then they nk him and we're down a medic for later in the game with no other nk info and we're still in the same mass claim situation with a mafia fake claiming. There's no way for you to know whether "they think you're also a town medic" in that scenario. But that doesn't even matter. There's nothing stopping them from just killing DF if that's what they want to do. "That's their only option?" No it's not. If DF is a true town medic, then even if they believe you are one too, but aren't sure whether you're telling the truth about healing him, they can just RB you and kill him anyway. There's no way for your fake claim to keep them from killing any player they want (including the revealed medic), and there was no way for their roles to keep US from killing whoever WE want. Two kills for the price of one is attractive, noob. It means a quicker end. I'd take that risk as scum. Lotta room between what you would choose to do, and saying "it was their only option." If DF is town and they wanted to make sure he died, they could have. But if HF is on that scum team, then making DF the night-kill undoes all of HF's work to get him lynched and hurts his credibility to boot. Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 20:35 rsoultin wrote:
What makes it impossible for what hf is saying to be true? It isn't "impossible" or I would be saying he's dead-lock caught scum. But if you want to know why I don't believe him, you only need to go look at the case I posted against him again.
Fair, I just don't think that quibbling over terminology is helpful. Either in clarifying a read or pushing your target. Which is perhaps hypocritical cause I have the same problem myself, just saying. Don't think this argument is going anywhere.
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On March 11 2018 20:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 20:45 rsoultin wrote:
HF, what happened to your points on me? You were arguing with noob that they were still valid (and I'm not going to bother addressing that again), so doesn't that mean you still believe them? I still believe them but just that they're points against you. I never pushed you as mafia I was just outlining my thoughts to the thread on why it's not impossible for you to be.
Lol okay well, of course not. I was the one who prevented the prp lynch, effectively. (Still only relevant point imo but that's water under the bridge.)
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On March 11 2018 20:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Where are you trying to go with this rsoultin?
I'm just trying to figure out a contradiction after reading old threads to figure out who the scum is, Moosy. That should be pretty clear. I'm not 'trying to go' anywhere with questions.
And, to be frank, I kind of want scum to be not HF. Because if he's scum I think town's chances of winning plummet @.@ I'm also really unhappy with how uncertain I am on things right now.
But yeah, thanks for answering. That makes sense and I appreciate the indulgence.
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