Newbie Student Mafia XXVIII - Page 65

On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character and why is he speaking so much?

On January 20 2018 23:26 Mocsta wrote:
I shall illuminate my top 2 reads in further detail to connect how and more importantly why they are a scum pairing.
Please refer to my 4000 word case below.

Why is DF scum
Read DF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this....
+ Show Spoiler +

Why is HF scum
Read HF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this...
+ Show Spoiler +

Why does it work together
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 18 2018 23:04 mderg wrote:
I really don't like the way Damerion is making his case on Damdred, though.

Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine.

On January 19 2018 19:51 mderg wrote:

The goal of that list was not to put out anything groundbrakingly new. It's a way to summarize and organize my thoughts.

Everything df said (except the townread on Rels imo) kind of makes sense. But I had pretty much no idea what he said before going through his filter. So his play feels a bit off despite making logically sound arguments.

On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote:
Taking a look at the votes:




I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched.
Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though.
I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df.

So this is where I'm at:




That leaves us with:
TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though
Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point?
Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch.
Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him.
prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon.
Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch.
mderg: I'm obviously town

On January 25 2018 07:40 Rels wrote:
OK so I reread N2 to check that thing about HF softing he knew Damerion was blue. And it makes no sense if HF is town.

It starts with the first big post Damerion made after coming back, in which he had this part:

To which HF immediately reacted:

So. HF saw the hint that Damerion is blue, and immediately post it in the thread. Why ? What's the point of doing it if HF is town ? It gains town nothing. It's actually detrimental to the town, because if scum manage to understand it, they can use this information and kill or roleblock Damerion.

Then it happens again. In another post later on, Damerion softs on his "green check" on Mocsta:

And HF reacts with these two posts, showing again he thinks Damerion is blue, and more precisely, cop with a green check on mocsta:


Once again, why ? The reasonning is the same as above. It's even obvious in retrospective, anyone searching for blue in the thread will pick it up - IE scums.

So. It makes no sense for a town perspective to act like that. It makes total sense from a scum perspective though. The benefits are twofold:
- it makes HF appear smart and thinking about the game. The ironic thing about it is that it's totally about the appearance. It only serves to appear townie; but when you take the time to think about the town motivation behind it, there is none, and it's actually detrimental to the town. Total scum pointer there.
- if Damerion is his partner, this is a play prepared by both of them. It prepares the claim that will happen after the night is over:

And it attempts to gain towncred for HF:

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Now here comes the meta part of this post. I think the above is sufficient to make anyone scum and making me want to lynch them. What's even scummier is that Holyflare is a player that always tries to play mindgames with the scum in order to make them waste kills or actions on Vanilla Townie. For example, he often says weird thing during the night, or says some player is an obvious blue, to confuse the scum team.

But he has not done that this game. In contrario, he softed exactly who he thought was the cop 3 times in the thread. This is 100% against the way he plays.

Now this is a meta read, so you will have to read some town games of his to verify it if you never played with him. But I think at least JAT can attest to it.

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TLDR: I think HF is scum, and I think Damerion & HF make perfect sense as a team. HF softing he thinks Damerion is blue during the night is (1) totally against a townie's interest and (2) totally against HF own meta. Furthermore, them being together actually explains these posts: it would mean they were preparing the fakeclaim as soon as Damerion re-entered the thread during N2.

Everything df said (except the townread on Rels imo) kind of makes sense. But I had pretty much no idea what he said before going through his filter. So his play feels a bit off despite making logically sound arguments.

On January 27 2018 08:07 Holyflare wrote:
Your reason to town read mocsta/kmatt is really, really quite weak.

Either way you guys shouldn't listen to the above at all. Your mderg town read is also quite bad because things like:


give me such major scummy vibes that it's unreal. Everything df said was fine but he had no idea what he said beforehand therefore he's scummy? That's a fucking ODD read to have.

On January 27 2018 08:11 Holyflare wrote:
Gonna read mderg I guess.

Let's not forget the way Kmatt has disappeared again btw.

On January 27 2018 08:18 Holyflare wrote:


It's not a scum read tbh, it was just kelsier asking him to explain a "meh" read which makes far, far, far more sense than the context you're trying to make it look like.

On January 27 2018 08:07 Holyflare wrote:
Your reason to town read mocsta/kmatt is really, really quite weak.

Either way you guys shouldn't listen to the above at all. Your mderg town read is also quite bad because things like:


give me such major scummy vibes that it's unreal. Everything df said was fine but he had no idea what he said beforehand therefore he's scummy? That's a fucking ODD read to have.

On January 27 2018 08:28 mderg wrote:

His town read on me is pretty good since I'm town

I feel like you're misrepresenting what I've said about df. What I've said should imply that df was trying not to stand out with what he says, which most people would agree is somewhat scummy.

On January 27 2018 08:30 Holyflare wrote:


Perhaps read the bit underneath where I read the context of the actual quote and determine that it's not actually a bad point but you don't equate it to being scummy either so that's kind of stretching the truth. I agree that it made him "meh" and that's that. Nothing more to it.