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BTDT if you're back to playing, what do you think of what I've said above ? Kmatt first D3 post seems to go against your conclusion, doesn't it ? If not, can you explain ?
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On January 27 2018 04:19 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 03:53 justanothertownie wrote:
Will you stop acting like a toddler next time if I am right though? *yawn* you might want to go back to playing the game but if you insist on toxic baiting, well who am I to stop you
I am playing the game. I just won't treat you with gloves just because you decided to be a little drama queen for no reason.
If rels disagreeing with you "kills your motivation for playing this game" then you should seriously reconsider if mafia is the game for you.
We can leave it at that and continue talking like grown ups if you want.
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On January 27 2018 04:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 03:17 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
whoa Rels calm your tits, keep the caps to yourself and don't spam question marks If that makes you feel better, I was much more angry before, then I edited these posts before posting so that my point is crystal clear. I think the problem is that you ignored the first D3 post of Kmatt, in which: - he talks about a GF - he scumread you So that makes your whole theory fall apart. Which adds to the whole world theory that kmatt is mafia because he can't even be consistent with his reads through one cycle.
It is entirely consistent.
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On January 27 2018 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 03:17 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
whoa Rels calm your tits, keep the caps to yourself and don't spam question marks If that makes you feel better, I was much more angry before, then I edited these posts before posting so that my point is crystal clear. I think the problem is that you ignored the first D3 post of Kmatt, in which: - he talks about a GF - he scumread you So that makes your whole theory fall apart. Which adds to the whole world theory that kmatt is mafia because he can't even be consistent with his reads through one cycle. It is entirely consistent.
Not really. He says that btdt is sketchy but then lists out "potential remaining town" and says mocsta is also sketchy but then says that he'll let him pass because of the cop check. It's just choosing names and seeing what sticks. Why does he not let btdt slide for being rbd AND cop checked?
Now that the cop is dead he didn't revisit any of those reads. In fact he didn't even mention them again because he is jumping on the opportunity to follow sentiment and go for me.
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On January 27 2018 04:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:On January 27 2018 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 03:17 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
whoa Rels calm your tits, keep the caps to yourself and don't spam question marks If that makes you feel better, I was much more angry before, then I edited these posts before posting so that my point is crystal clear. I think the problem is that you ignored the first D3 post of Kmatt, in which: - he talks about a GF - he scumread you So that makes your whole theory fall apart. Which adds to the whole world theory that kmatt is mafia because he can't even be consistent with his reads through one cycle. It is entirely consistent. Not really. He says that btdt is sketchy but then lists out "potential remaining town" and says mocsta is also sketchy but then says that he'll let him pass because of the cop check. It's just choosing names and seeing what sticks. Why does he not let btdt slide for being rbd AND cop checked? Now that the cop is dead he didn't revisit any of those reads. In fact he didn't even mention them again because he is jumping on the opportunity to follow sentiment and go for me.
'cause he scumread BTDT previously + he had this theory on how he would fakeclaim a roleblock if he was scum. They're not great posts but they're not scummy.
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Skimmed through the last 10 pages. Am I correct in thinking that hf's defense icomes down to "If I was mafia, I would do things differently"?
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On January 27 2018 05:03 mderg wrote:
Skimmed through the last 10 pages. Am I correct in thinking that hf's defense icomes down to "If I was mafia, I would do things differently"?
So far yes, which is his go to mafia defense.
In other news I don't even know why I am defending Kmatt this hard. Unlike Rels I do not townread him. But HFs case is weaksauce and btdt doesn't even have a case.
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My legacy if I die will currently still be: Lynch HF. If the game isn't over reevaluate everything.
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On January 27 2018 04:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 04:39 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:On January 27 2018 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 03:17 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
whoa Rels calm your tits, keep the caps to yourself and don't spam question marks If that makes you feel better, I was much more angry before, then I edited these posts before posting so that my point is crystal clear. I think the problem is that you ignored the first D3 post of Kmatt, in which: - he talks about a GF - he scumread you So that makes your whole theory fall apart. Which adds to the whole world theory that kmatt is mafia because he can't even be consistent with his reads through one cycle. It is entirely consistent. Not really. He says that btdt is sketchy but then lists out "potential remaining town" and says mocsta is also sketchy but then says that he'll let him pass because of the cop check. It's just choosing names and seeing what sticks. Why does he not let btdt slide for being rbd AND cop checked? Now that the cop is dead he didn't revisit any of those reads. In fact he didn't even mention them again because he is jumping on the opportunity to follow sentiment and go for me. 'cause he scumread BTDT previously + he had this theory on how he would fakeclaim a roleblock if he was scum. They're not great posts but they're not scummy.
No. He also scum reads mocsta. It's literally in his posts. "Mocsta has posted a lot of empty words and doesn't seem towny but the cop check so he's town". It's totally arbitrary giving of alignments. Either way now that the cop isn't a cop and is dead both of them should be his scum reads totally. If he truly scum read btdt (and mocsta) why isn't he reinvigorated after this?
Instead he jumps on my post where I ask him for reads in the most weird way possible.
On January 26 2018 09:55 Kmatt wrote:No I just can't buy this. Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know? I hate hate hate this post. How on Earth does Town!Holyflare back off now of all times? I don't pretend to have memorized meta, but I just can't accept anything but a full game-ending crusade against me at this point. I'll be the first to admit that my game so far is abysmal. I can't play town for shite to begin with, and this is a particularly foul example. You have every reason to doubt me. And you did! Repeatedly! There was a wall of text a few pages back. Town!Holyflare has this game served to him on a silver platter. The only thing that happened between then and now is a red flip that you predicted when I defended him to the end. Suddenly Rels calls the banners and now you doubt my scumminess. I could almost see you going full OMGUS and turning on Rels, but you just alluded to him being town too. The only reason someone could reasonably townread me at this point is PoE (which requires a stronger scumread than me, which you didn't have an hour ago) or pure gut.
Read this. Absorb it. How on earth does this game make sense in that way? If he is town why has town Holyflare got this game served up on a silver platter? This is backwards thinking in totality. He has gone:
"Holyflare scum reads me. Lynching me as town would be bad. Oh he's backing off and asking for my reads now. Wtf that's so scummy, he could have won if he just lynched me???"
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On January 27 2018 05:03 mderg wrote:
Skimmed through the last 10 pages. Am I correct in thinking that hf's defense icomes down to "If I was mafia, I would do things differently"?
My defense is kmatt is mafia.
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On January 27 2018 05:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 04:43 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 04:39 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:On January 27 2018 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 03:17 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
whoa Rels calm your tits, keep the caps to yourself and don't spam question marks If that makes you feel better, I was much more angry before, then I edited these posts before posting so that my point is crystal clear. I think the problem is that you ignored the first D3 post of Kmatt, in which: - he talks about a GF - he scumread you So that makes your whole theory fall apart. Which adds to the whole world theory that kmatt is mafia because he can't even be consistent with his reads through one cycle. It is entirely consistent. Not really. He says that btdt is sketchy but then lists out "potential remaining town" and says mocsta is also sketchy but then says that he'll let him pass because of the cop check. It's just choosing names and seeing what sticks. Why does he not let btdt slide for being rbd AND cop checked? Now that the cop is dead he didn't revisit any of those reads. In fact he didn't even mention them again because he is jumping on the opportunity to follow sentiment and go for me. 'cause he scumread BTDT previously + he had this theory on how he would fakeclaim a roleblock if he was scum. They're not great posts but they're not scummy. No. He also scum reads mocsta. It's literally in his posts. "Mocsta has posted a lot of empty words and doesn't seem towny but the cop check so he's town". It's totally arbitrary giving of alignments. Either way now that the cop isn't a cop and is dead both of them should be his scum reads totally. If he truly scum read btdt (and mocsta) why isn't he reinvigorated after this? Instead he jumps on my post where I ask him for reads in the most weird way possible. Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 09:55 Kmatt wrote:No I just can't buy this. On January 26 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know? I hate hate hate this post. How on Earth does Town!Holyflare back off now of all times? I don't pretend to have memorized meta, but I just can't accept anything but a full game-ending crusade against me at this point. I'll be the first to admit that my game so far is abysmal. I can't play town for shite to begin with, and this is a particularly foul example. You have every reason to doubt me. And you did! Repeatedly! There was a wall of text a few pages back. Town!Holyflare has this game served to him on a silver platter. The only thing that happened between then and now is a red flip that you predicted when I defended him to the end. Suddenly Rels calls the banners and now you doubt my scumminess. I could almost see you going full OMGUS and turning on Rels, but you just alluded to him being town too. The only reason someone could reasonably townread me at this point is PoE (which requires a stronger scumread than me, which you didn't have an hour ago) or pure gut. Read this. Absorb it. How on earth does this game make sense in that way? If he is town why has town Holyflare got this game served up on a silver platter? This is backwards thinking in totality. He has gone: "Holyflare scum reads me. Lynching me as town would be bad. Oh he's backing off and asking for my reads now. Wtf that's so scummy, he could have won if he just lynched me???"
I'd argue that scum puts a lot more effort into making sure their reasoning looks consistent than town
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On January 27 2018 05:18 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 05:12 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 04:43 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 04:39 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:On January 27 2018 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 03:17 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
whoa Rels calm your tits, keep the caps to yourself and don't spam question marks If that makes you feel better, I was much more angry before, then I edited these posts before posting so that my point is crystal clear. I think the problem is that you ignored the first D3 post of Kmatt, in which: - he talks about a GF - he scumread you So that makes your whole theory fall apart. Which adds to the whole world theory that kmatt is mafia because he can't even be consistent with his reads through one cycle. It is entirely consistent. Not really. He says that btdt is sketchy but then lists out "potential remaining town" and says mocsta is also sketchy but then says that he'll let him pass because of the cop check. It's just choosing names and seeing what sticks. Why does he not let btdt slide for being rbd AND cop checked? Now that the cop is dead he didn't revisit any of those reads. In fact he didn't even mention them again because he is jumping on the opportunity to follow sentiment and go for me. 'cause he scumread BTDT previously + he had this theory on how he would fakeclaim a roleblock if he was scum. They're not great posts but they're not scummy. No. He also scum reads mocsta. It's literally in his posts. "Mocsta has posted a lot of empty words and doesn't seem towny but the cop check so he's town". It's totally arbitrary giving of alignments. Either way now that the cop isn't a cop and is dead both of them should be his scum reads totally. If he truly scum read btdt (and mocsta) why isn't he reinvigorated after this? Instead he jumps on my post where I ask him for reads in the most weird way possible. On January 26 2018 09:55 Kmatt wrote:No I just can't buy this. On January 26 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know? I hate hate hate this post. How on Earth does Town!Holyflare back off now of all times? I don't pretend to have memorized meta, but I just can't accept anything but a full game-ending crusade against me at this point. I'll be the first to admit that my game so far is abysmal. I can't play town for shite to begin with, and this is a particularly foul example. You have every reason to doubt me. And you did! Repeatedly! There was a wall of text a few pages back. Town!Holyflare has this game served to him on a silver platter. The only thing that happened between then and now is a red flip that you predicted when I defended him to the end. Suddenly Rels calls the banners and now you doubt my scumminess. I could almost see you going full OMGUS and turning on Rels, but you just alluded to him being town too. The only reason someone could reasonably townread me at this point is PoE (which requires a stronger scumread than me, which you didn't have an hour ago) or pure gut. Read this. Absorb it. How on earth does this game make sense in that way? If he is town why has town Holyflare got this game served up on a silver platter? This is backwards thinking in totality. He has gone: "Holyflare scum reads me. Lynching me as town would be bad. Oh he's backing off and asking for my reads now. Wtf that's so scummy, he could have won if he just lynched me???" I'd argue that scum puts a lot more effort into making sure their reasoning looks consistent than town
That's a really weak argument. I expect someone that struggles to post reads to struggle to post a concrete foundation for why they scum read somebody when they have to fabricate it which is how you come up with the above. He's mafia and is using backwards logic to try and justify it.
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On January 27 2018 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
whoa Rels calm your tits, keep the caps to yourself and don't spam question marks
Yeah, we already have one Holyflare.
Give me a sec to go back and reply to 5+ posts
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On January 27 2018 05:12 Holyflare wrote:
Read this. Absorb it. How on earth does this game make sense in that way? If he is town why has town Holyflare got this game served up on a silver platter? This is backwards thinking in totality. He has gone:
Because Town!Holyflare was winning this game on cruise control. You, on the other hand, took the nonsensical logical twist of:
Damerion is scum and Kmatt is scum as well
>Damerion flips scum
Therefore, Kmatt must not be scum
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On January 27 2018 05:42 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 05:12 Holyflare wrote:
Read this. Absorb it. How on earth does this game make sense in that way? If he is town why has town Holyflare got this game served up on a silver platter? This is backwards thinking in totality. He has gone: Because Town!Holyflare was winning this game on cruise control. You, on the other hand, took the nonsensical logical twist of: Damerion is scum and Kmatt is scum as well >Damerion flips scum Therefore, Kmatt must not be scum
If you are town how am I winning the town on cruise control?
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I also never called you not mafia
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On January 27 2018 05:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 05:18 mderg wrote:On January 27 2018 05:12 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 04:43 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 04:39 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:On January 27 2018 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 03:17 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
whoa Rels calm your tits, keep the caps to yourself and don't spam question marks If that makes you feel better, I was much more angry before, then I edited these posts before posting so that my point is crystal clear. I think the problem is that you ignored the first D3 post of Kmatt, in which: - he talks about a GF - he scumread you So that makes your whole theory fall apart. Which adds to the whole world theory that kmatt is mafia because he can't even be consistent with his reads through one cycle. It is entirely consistent. Not really. He says that btdt is sketchy but then lists out "potential remaining town" and says mocsta is also sketchy but then says that he'll let him pass because of the cop check. It's just choosing names and seeing what sticks. Why does he not let btdt slide for being rbd AND cop checked? Now that the cop is dead he didn't revisit any of those reads. In fact he didn't even mention them again because he is jumping on the opportunity to follow sentiment and go for me. 'cause he scumread BTDT previously + he had this theory on how he would fakeclaim a roleblock if he was scum. They're not great posts but they're not scummy. No. He also scum reads mocsta. It's literally in his posts. "Mocsta has posted a lot of empty words and doesn't seem towny but the cop check so he's town". It's totally arbitrary giving of alignments. Either way now that the cop isn't a cop and is dead both of them should be his scum reads totally. If he truly scum read btdt (and mocsta) why isn't he reinvigorated after this? Instead he jumps on my post where I ask him for reads in the most weird way possible. On January 26 2018 09:55 Kmatt wrote:No I just can't buy this. On January 26 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know? I hate hate hate this post. How on Earth does Town!Holyflare back off now of all times? I don't pretend to have memorized meta, but I just can't accept anything but a full game-ending crusade against me at this point. I'll be the first to admit that my game so far is abysmal. I can't play town for shite to begin with, and this is a particularly foul example. You have every reason to doubt me. And you did! Repeatedly! There was a wall of text a few pages back. Town!Holyflare has this game served to him on a silver platter. The only thing that happened between then and now is a red flip that you predicted when I defended him to the end. Suddenly Rels calls the banners and now you doubt my scumminess. I could almost see you going full OMGUS and turning on Rels, but you just alluded to him being town too. The only reason someone could reasonably townread me at this point is PoE (which requires a stronger scumread than me, which you didn't have an hour ago) or pure gut. Read this. Absorb it. How on earth does this game make sense in that way? If he is town why has town Holyflare got this game served up on a silver platter? This is backwards thinking in totality. He has gone: "Holyflare scum reads me. Lynching me as town would be bad. Oh he's backing off and asking for my reads now. Wtf that's so scummy, he could have won if he just lynched me???" I'd argue that scum puts a lot more effort into making sure their reasoning looks consistent than town That's a really weak argument. I expect someone that struggles to post reads to struggle to post a concrete foundation for why they scum read somebody when they have to fabricate it which is how you come up with the above. He's mafia and is using backwards logic to try and justify it.
Inconsistent reasoning does not mean mafia. It also doesn't mean town but I can very well imagine a townie who isn't 100% in the game coming up with inconsistent reasoning like that.
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Well now he can explain it
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On January 27 2018 05:44 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 05:42 Kmatt wrote:On January 27 2018 05:12 Holyflare wrote:
Read this. Absorb it. How on earth does this game make sense in that way? If he is town why has town Holyflare got this game served up on a silver platter? This is backwards thinking in totality. He has gone: Because Town!Holyflare was winning this game on cruise control. You, on the other hand, took the nonsensical logical twist of: Damerion is scum and Kmatt is scum as well >Damerion flips scum Therefore, Kmatt must not be scum If you are town how am I winning the town on cruise control?
Because town!Holyflare doesn't know anyone else's alignment. You named no other scumreads that I can recall save for damerion and myself. You just lynched one of those.
On January 27 2018 05:44 Holyflare wrote:
I also never called you not mafia
On January 26 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know?
Why is that post even on the table then? Was there some lapse of townreading going on or are we both delusional?
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What are you talking about? I'm going to get lynched and I will flip town. Then you will absolutely default to being the next lynch so it's better to leave a legacy with no stone left unturned than be wrong and lose the game.
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