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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 26 2018 16:42 GMT
#1221
On January 27 2018 01:40 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 01:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
the thing is that if Rels is so tunneled on someone, it always ends up a guy being town and then Rels flips town when he gets lynched in lylo for whatever weird reason. So we're gonna lose this game because of this nightkill, a holyflare mislynch into a Rels mislynch.

that's pretty wrong actually. That happened, but more often than not late game I'm tunneling a scum. Sometimes he gets lynched sometimes I get lynched. My play gets better the farther we advance in the game .


Hahahahahaha
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 16:43 GMT
#1222
On January 27 2018 01:26 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On January 27 2018 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
I would without a doubt direct the team to rb whoever we kill and then get my team to claim rb when they need to. If I didn't read the op. If I read the op I would rb who we kill and then get my team to claim rb.

Yeah that's exactly what I thought

You'd never wtf the roleblocker twice in a row on afk and mod warned btdt.

Dont get distracted by WIFOM stuff. Maybe scum had a strong read on you being blue and that's why they RBd you. Or maybe they wanted you to claim RB so they could push you because "mm it's weird BTDT got roleblocked, it's a fake claim". You shouldn't based your reads based on something scum is controlling 100%.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 26 2018 16:45 GMT
#1223
It's not fucking wifom. I am a no risk mafia player that takes the safest route possible and would never not rb a kill with a veteran possible. Especially if it's notified. If you're saying I didn't read the op as mafia that's dumb but I can see you making that argument anyway but even then I still do the same thing.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 16:46 GMT
#1224
On January 27 2018 01:27 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 04:34 Kmatt wrote:
Personally an uncontested cop claim warrants reconsideration, but I seem to be alone in that regard.


Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 02:36 Kmatt wrote:
I don't like lynching Damerion here without a counterclaim. It may not have been the best plan to spill the beans at the moment, but lynching him wins us no information at this point, and is unlikely to flip red (unless there's a counterclaim. Doc, if you're out there, now would be a good time). Even if he gets suppressed the rest of the game, he still votes with the town and/or eats a nightkill. As it stands BTDT or maybe HF are the better lynches.


Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 03:45 Kmatt wrote:
lmao no. If I see a counterclaim of any other blue I would hang him on the spot. The fact that no townie is taking an easy 1-for-1 tells me that he wasn't bullshitting.


uh oh

What about it ? These are why I think he's town
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
January 26 2018 16:48 GMT
#1225
On January 27 2018 01:45 Holyflare wrote:
It's not fucking wifom. I am a no risk mafia player that takes the safest route possible and would never not rb a kill with a veteran possible. Especially if it's notified. If you're saying I didn't read the op as mafia that's dumb but I can see you making that argument anyway but even then I still do the same thing.

If you do not read the op then I wouldn't agree that you'd never rb someone else. Adding to that you might not be the one who sent in the rbs so it just defaults to WIFOM.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 16:49 GMT
#1226
BTDT I don't follow this thing about how Kmatt shouldn't have thought of a GF.
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
January 26 2018 16:49 GMT
#1227
On January 27 2018 01:36 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 01:34 beentheredonethat wrote:
On January 27 2018 01:34 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 27 2018 01:32 beentheredonethat wrote:
On January 27 2018 01:31 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 27 2018 01:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Damerion says: "I have a green check on BTDT". Kmatt says: "I believe the claim! I'm lynching BTDT."

That's not the worst point. But not conclusive either since the green checks basically meant nothing due to the almost guaranteed presence of a godfather.

There shouldn't be a godfather in. Vig/Cop are both investigative. I'm locked on vig/doc vs. goon/goon/rb.

Sure, but if Kmatt is town he thought there was a cop and then a godfather is almost guaranteed.

Why is a godfather guaranteed because a town player that does not know the setup thinks a cop is in?

Dude, come on.

We are talking about Kmatts thought process if he is town.
He believes Damerion is real. That means there is a cop in the game (in his world). That also means there is very likely a godfather to counter the cop. That means it is not scummy for him to not trust the green checks.

fin

I am all the time talking about Kmatt being scum and hesistant to lynch his buddy.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
January 26 2018 16:50 GMT
#1228
On January 27 2018 01:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 01:36 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 27 2018 01:34 beentheredonethat wrote:
On January 27 2018 01:34 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 27 2018 01:32 beentheredonethat wrote:
On January 27 2018 01:31 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 27 2018 01:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Damerion says: "I have a green check on BTDT". Kmatt says: "I believe the claim! I'm lynching BTDT."

That's not the worst point. But not conclusive either since the green checks basically meant nothing due to the almost guaranteed presence of a godfather.

There shouldn't be a godfather in. Vig/Cop are both investigative. I'm locked on vig/doc vs. goon/goon/rb.

Sure, but if Kmatt is town he thought there was a cop and then a godfather is almost guaranteed.

Why is a godfather guaranteed because a town player that does not know the setup thinks a cop is in?

Dude, come on.

We are talking about Kmatts thought process if he is town.
He believes Damerion is real. That means there is a cop in the game (in his world). That also means there is very likely a godfather to counter the cop. That means it is not scummy for him to not trust the green checks.

fin

I am all the time talking about Kmatt being scum and hesistant to lynch his buddy.

Yes, and I am explaining to you why what you says makes him scum can actually be explained by him being town.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 17:03 GMT
#1229
On January 27 2018 01:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2018 15:06 Kmatt wrote:
Beyond that I'm willing to accept Damerion's claim(s), which puts the remaining potential townies at Mocsta/Rels/HF/Mderg. Rels is on the nice list, as is Mderg. HF is still HF, but he's certainly not my vote today. Mocsta is more null to me. A lot of text but nothing stands out to say "This guy is town". Cop checks are a bit more reliable than my gut, so until we get into a 4-way cop claim-off I'll let him slide.


Wait. I am not on that list because he accepts Damerion's claim and lists me as town.

This is the part I don't understand. Why do you say Kmatt is listing you as town ? Or are you talking about Damerion listing you as town ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 17:08 GMT
#1230
And I also don't understand the whole "Kmatt should have thought of a godfather immediately, but he only thought about it later". Because on his first post after the claim he talks about the possiblity of a godfather:
On January 24 2018 15:00 Kmatt wrote:
As much as I dislike HF's post for reasons Mocsta stated above, a Godfather is certainly on the table.

I'd be happy lynching the Twat Slot/JAT today.

BTDT is sketchy too, but I'm still unsure how to interpret his roleblock claim. I know if I was playing as Godfather I could use that excuse if I knew the people who had been roleblocked are dead and I can claim it uncontested. If there's no RB in a (semi-)closed setup then I'd be even bolder to take that potential credit. I'll wait to hear more on him.


Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 17:14 GMT
#1231
basically why are you saying that:
- Kmatt townread BTDT (when he actually didn't)
- Kmatt didn't think of the possilbility of a GF immediately (when he actually did)

I also don't understand why you're "fixed" on a setup, but let's start with these first.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 17:14 GMT
#1232
leaving work though so see you in a few hours
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
January 26 2018 17:19 GMT
#1233
On January 27 2018 02:03 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 01:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
On January 24 2018 15:06 Kmatt wrote:
Beyond that I'm willing to accept Damerion's claim(s), which puts the remaining potential townies at Mocsta/Rels/HF/Mderg. Rels is on the nice list, as is Mderg. HF is still HF, but he's certainly not my vote today. Mocsta is more null to me. A lot of text but nothing stands out to say "This guy is town". Cop checks are a bit more reliable than my gut, so until we get into a 4-way cop claim-off I'll let him slide.


Wait. I am not on that list because he accepts Damerion's claim and lists me as town.

This is the part I don't understand. Why do you say Kmatt is listing you as town ? Or are you talking about Damerion listing you as town ?

You are absolutely right. How did I skip that?!
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
January 26 2018 17:40 GMT
#1234
On January 27 2018 02:03 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 01:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
On January 24 2018 15:06 Kmatt wrote:
Beyond that I'm willing to accept Damerion's claim(s), which puts the remaining potential townies at Mocsta/Rels/HF/Mderg. Rels is on the nice list, as is Mderg. HF is still HF, but he's certainly not my vote today. Mocsta is more null to me. A lot of text but nothing stands out to say "This guy is town". Cop checks are a bit more reliable than my gut, so until we get into a 4-way cop claim-off I'll let him slide.


Wait. I am not on that list because he accepts Damerion's claim and lists me as town.

This is the part I don't understand. Why do you say Kmatt is listing you as town ? Or are you talking about Damerion listing you as town ?

I understand me missing in the list of "potential towns" as Kmatt reading me as "confirmed town" which he can only know if he is scum OR if he believes the claim.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
January 26 2018 17:40 GMT
#1235
"Beyond that I'm willing to accept Damerion's claim(s), which puts the remaining potential townies at Mocsta/Rels/HF/Mderg"

"I accept Damerion's claim. Which is a green check on BTDT. The remaining potential (i.e. un-confirmed) townies are Mocsta/Rels/HF/Mderg"
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
January 26 2018 17:42 GMT
#1236
But IF he believes the claim and townreads me (because I'm not in the "potential" town list) he is NOT thinking of a godfather. Which later-on changes. Which is why I say "he as scum, knowing no GF is in the game, forgot faking that a gf could be in the game" or just wasn't aware of it.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
January 26 2018 17:42 GMT
#1237
dunno how you guys don't see that it's actually blatant

"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
January 26 2018 17:46 GMT
#1238
No, because it is also possible that he just accepts the claim knowing that the green checks are meaningless. And the whole story falls flat.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
January 26 2018 17:47 GMT
#1239
Which is actually far more likely since he included Mocsta (the other greencheck) in the list of potential townies and not you.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 17:57 GMT
#1240
On January 27 2018 02:40 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 02:03 Rels wrote:
On January 27 2018 01:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
On January 24 2018 15:06 Kmatt wrote:
Beyond that I'm willing to accept Damerion's claim(s), which puts the remaining potential townies at Mocsta/Rels/HF/Mderg. Rels is on the nice list, as is Mderg. HF is still HF, but he's certainly not my vote today. Mocsta is more null to me. A lot of text but nothing stands out to say "This guy is town". Cop checks are a bit more reliable than my gut, so until we get into a 4-way cop claim-off I'll let him slide.


Wait. I am not on that list because he accepts Damerion's claim and lists me as town.

This is the part I don't understand. Why do you say Kmatt is listing you as town ? Or are you talking about Damerion listing you as town ?

I understand me missing in the list of "potential towns" as Kmatt reading me as "confirmed town" which he can only know if he is scum OR if he believes the claim.

????? In the post JUST BEFORE, literally 6 minutes before the one you're quoting, he was talking about you YOU COULD BE THE GODFATHER. How do you make the leap from that to "oh he must think I'm confirmed town ?
Reread carefully these series of posts:
On January 24 2018 15:00 Kmatt wrote:
As much as I dislike HF's post for reasons Mocsta stated above, a Godfather is certainly on the table.

I'd be happy lynching the Twat Slot/JAT today.

BTDT is sketchy too, but I'm still unsure how to interpret his roleblock claim. I know if I was playing as Godfather I could use that excuse if I knew the people who had been roleblocked are dead and I can claim it uncontested. If there's no RB in a (semi-)closed setup then I'd be even bolder to take that potential credit. I'll wait to hear more on him.


On January 24 2018 15:06 Kmatt wrote:
Beyond that I'm willing to accept Damerion's claim(s), which puts the remaining potential townies at Mocsta/Rels/HF/Mderg. Rels is on the nice list, as is Mderg. HF is still HF, but he's certainly not my vote today. Mocsta is more null to me. A lot of text but nothing stands out to say "This guy is town". Cop checks are a bit more reliable than my gut, so until we get into a 4-way cop claim-off I'll let him slide.

On January 24 2018 15:10 Kmatt wrote:
Actually looking back over filters, Twat went full AFK, even moreso than me. I'll hold on to my vote to see how JAT looks today. If nothing else I'll ice BTDT.

Do you still believe he townread you at any point during these ?
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