EPTOn January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
TL;DR: ##Vote: Damdred
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I am concerned...
I am seeing a pattern of people issuing town reads (solely) for being congruent with their reads.
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If you want me to join the town circle-jerk club.
Fine: There is only one individual that gives me consitently good feelings and that is + Show Spoiler +
Whilst I dont agree with the conclusions drawn by this player, I dont think the motives are malicious due to the above.
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But, I would rather weigh in on nulls and reds.
Priority #1: What to make of damerion/damdred case
Whilst I have no qualm with Damdred brushing off the case, i do have a problem with how Damdred clings to the mocsta/DF thread sentiment throughout his filter and case response.
"Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet)...But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy"
"But id be happy just lynching moc today anyway."
"but also seems like a way to change conversation away from DF and moc who I guess you have at null?"
This is wishy washy at best, and non-congruent with the town-play meta argument at worst.
I think a town that is +1 bandwagoning would be more likely to get frustrated during this exchange. Especially in day1 when circles are small, and paranoia can be at its peak.
This is not present at all. Rather, whilst being poked Damdred remains calculated in response; making it even more intrigruing that a firm opinion is held without a firm base. Uncharacteristic of a measured thinker.
Overall, I observe Damdred employing an "appeal to emotion" through reconjuring thread bias without further substantiating or developing it.
Whilst, town is capable of using this (typically under confirmation bias) - at what point can it be deduced that Damdred is experiencing confirmation bias?? At what point can it be deduced that Damdred is poking somone, or laying a trap?
Rather, I prefer the simplest explanation: that an appeal to emotion is a tactic associated with lazy mafia play.
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Priority #2: Other comments of interest
Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?
Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.
mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless.
TL;DR: ##Vote: Damdred
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I am concerned...
I am seeing a pattern of people issuing town reads (solely) for being congruent with their reads.
============================
If you want me to join the town circle-jerk club.
Fine: There is only one individual that gives me consitently good feelings and that is + Show Spoiler +
TWAT.
Why?
Because whilst mafia and town have the same priorites during Day1 (i.e. establish innocence); I dont believe mafia are capable of consistently simulating in parallel:
- paranoia
- confirmation bias / fixed dichotomy mindset
- willingness to throw out a position
Why?
Because whilst mafia and town have the same priorites during Day1 (i.e. establish innocence); I dont believe mafia are capable of consistently simulating in parallel:
- paranoia
- confirmation bias / fixed dichotomy mindset
- willingness to throw out a position
Whilst I dont agree with the conclusions drawn by this player, I dont think the motives are malicious due to the above.
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But, I would rather weigh in on nulls and reds.
Priority #1: What to make of damerion/damdred case
- Case is quite subjective to me, and presents a damned-if-you, damned-if-you-don't argument.
Acceptable for early Day1 and overall, I catergorise this as a poke. - Damdred brushing off the case is only indicative of confidence, rather than alignment
- Damerion followup is OK given the case/poke premise of meta.
- Damdred wanting to work together is only indicative of understanding the game mechanics , rather than alignment.
Whilst I have no qualm with Damdred brushing off the case, i do have a problem with how Damdred clings to the mocsta/DF thread sentiment throughout his filter and case response.
"Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet)...But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy"
"But id be happy just lynching moc today anyway."
"but also seems like a way to change conversation away from DF and moc who I guess you have at null?"
This is wishy washy at best, and non-congruent with the town-play meta argument at worst.
I think a town that is +1 bandwagoning would be more likely to get frustrated during this exchange. Especially in day1 when circles are small, and paranoia can be at its peak.
This is not present at all. Rather, whilst being poked Damdred remains calculated in response; making it even more intrigruing that a firm opinion is held without a firm base. Uncharacteristic of a measured thinker.
Overall, I observe Damdred employing an "appeal to emotion" through reconjuring thread bias without further substantiating or developing it.
Whilst, town is capable of using this (typically under confirmation bias) - at what point can it be deduced that Damdred is experiencing confirmation bias?? At what point can it be deduced that Damdred is poking somone, or laying a trap?
Rather, I prefer the simplest explanation: that an appeal to emotion is a tactic associated with lazy mafia play.
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Priority #2: Other comments of interest
Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?
Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.
mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless.
Oh lol. Mocsta played a super active early game.
RIP rels?
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Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious.
