EPThe's just kinda floating in the thread, and his list post was out of nowhere and the reasonning were pretty vague. So it didn't match my view of him being top-tier scum. Then I checked and he was not the top-tier scum I remembered. But checking his last town game where he got lynched D1 he was also apparently just floating around
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he's just kinda floating in the thread, and his list post was out of nowhere and the reasonning were pretty vague. So it didn't match my view of him being top-tier scum. Then I checked and he was not the top-tier scum I remembered. But checking his last town game where he got lynched D1 he was also apparently just floating around | ||
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On January 20 2018 00:16 rsoultin wrote: I have no clue. I've been living under the sand for awhile while getting my masters. I thought he was the easy scum catch I picked out in a protoss pick your power game and wasn't worrying about him as a sleeper cell. Feel similarly about btdt and df....but not completely. Giant post without push doesn't exactly scream that it can't be scum/scum. Giant post on btdt but pushing mocsta anyway diminished the impact of it. If that happened, then the most likely likely scenario is that he saw I didn't like BTDT first post, made his big post, then "discovered" I didn't like BTDT first post to buddy me | ||
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On January 20 2018 00:36 rsoultin wrote: Maybe. Why you? Other than the implicit hes scum your town obvious in that reasoning...I mean you're a strong town player, but you haven't been a force in this game. dunno. But if it's not that I don't think it's likely he made his first and only big post on his partner - push or not push | ||
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On January 18 2018 22:38 Damerion wrote: I think Damdred is overselling his ability to bus, he has stated multiple times in the past he wants to move away from bussing. And the onky reason he bussed in his last scum game was because it was an accident and his team accidently voted with him. Damdred I would like your thoughts on the above. | ||
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On January 20 2018 01:50 Kmatt wrote: Real quick, does anyone find Twat to be sketchy at this point? I had him casually marked as town like most people earlier, but he ducked out immediately after asking a question earlier. While I'm in no place to call out AFK what with my new "don't lead a mislynch wagon d1" strat, the fact that he was being townread, then asked someone (Rels' doubt of BTDT, for what it's worth) a question, and bailed feels wrong to me. Being thread is a perfect reason to talk more. Rels even comes back with a substantial answer. Seems pretty scummy to take your towncred and run with it like that. I answered his question long after he asked it, like 20 hours after, so I don't think this in particular means much. | ||
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On January 20 2018 03:48 beentheredonethat wrote: I come here, read just the top of page 17, and it's a btdt wagon. that's scum pushing afk btdt. I've literally been there, done that. so anything I'm supposed to answer? I'm not catching up rn, im tired. do something | ||
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On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote: The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck. Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good. On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote: Kelsier sticks out as particularly odd in this progression This implies some sense of skepticism or town read on me. He then 180s more or less by giving a vague summary of my filter to justify the current hot-take in the thread. What is this reasoning? Why do you prefer to lynch DF > BTDT but if BTDT doesn't do anything, then BTDT > DF. How does this make any sense? Why would your lynch preference change if nothing changes? I don't follow how KSC asking for a clarification of his read on you implies he townreads you. | ||
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On January 20 2018 04:59 darthfoley wrote: Okay so I looked through Kelscier's filter. Basically. + Show Spoiler + At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread. Now that people seem to be warming to the idea of DF/BTDT wagons, mderg is conveniently forgotten even though he doesn't provide any explanation. Like he goes through all this effort to basically summarize my whole filter as some justification to vote me. That ain't true, there was this post posted before the one you quoted: On January 19 2018 19:59 KelsierSC wrote: Ok that makes some sense. So based on rsoultin and HF's discussion and previous thoughts. You believe that damdred is town and Rels is scum who has just sidled onto the wagon without saying much. Do you think one of HF and damerion is also scum aswell? or both? | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote: need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched. we still have a few hours | ||
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On January 20 2018 00:40 Rels wrote: Damdred I would like your thoughts on the above. | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:34 Damdred wrote: Sure, I liked his poatings and tone. he seemes free and relaxed, no hidden motivation to me reading his posts. Not super panicked about being lynched as well. Ovrall hes a bit side lined but i like him meh really disagree. Posting "I will AFK but I'm open to answer questions if anyone has any" is like a normal reaction from a scum that doesn't want to tryhard. Not saying it makes BTDT scum, but it's not a reaction that proves he's town. Don't know why he's lock town in your mind for that | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:50 Damdred wrote: to whatbpart? i have tryied to give up the bus, and laat time was accidental. But i do love bussing and the cred i get meh I think I saw you mention you love bussing at least 20 times since I've been playing mafia here. So I find weird that your friend Damerion is saying you're overselling your ability to bus. So since you know him well, I want to know if you think he could think that as town or not | ||
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On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote: And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt? I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games. See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter. So please walk me through it. this is a pretty sexy post | ||
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On January 20 2018 06:15 darthfoley wrote: Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please. Sure. You attacked him for 2 things: his HF read progression and because he said something like "let's lynch some AFK". On January 19 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote: BTDT strikes me as someone who's sort of just drifted through the game so far. Granted his filter is only a few posts, but the posts themselves seem careful not to step on any toes. The progression in this post is scummy to me 1. It's a normal start for HF, you're giving him too much credit. 2. HF's cream joke "feels genuine" (implied town read) 3. But it's NAI (so why imply a town read 3 words beforehand?) It just feels like a whole lot of hedging on HF. This is basically the safest thing mafia can do ever lol. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. Have pressuring AFK people ever actually worked? They're AFK because... they aren't following the game. He also then ignores his own advice and throws a scum read on Mocsta. I'm not understanding his thought progression at all - it's not his HF read "progression" that is a problem. There is no problem saying he feels a joke is kinda genuine, but being unsure about it. It was very early in the game. - two things on the second part. First, everybody knows being like "let's lynch an AFK" and being passive is scummy. Saying it doesn't make anyone scum. Second, you then undermine your own point, since you say he acts differently that he said; so he should be townie in your POV ? | ||
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On January 20 2018 04:22 Holyflare wrote: Lol btdt and damdred are a team On January 20 2018 06:13 Holyflare wrote: "now I'm yelling" should be translated to "now I'm actually home" Btdt came into the thread saw votes and fucked off. Damdred also then tries to start a wagon against df siting that he just wants to get 2 votes and effectively leave. Damdred is definitely making me biased to prefer btdt (coupled with the apathy from btdt) over df. But damdred lynch should one million percent be the lynch. Mocsta/btdt/damdred. I don't understand this obsession of BTDT and Damdred being a team like it should be obvious. When Damdred is one of the biggest busser on the website. That reasonning makes no sense, and it doesn't prove BTDT and Damdred are a team. | ||
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On January 20 2018 07:23 rsoultin wrote: Damerion's first game comes closest to actually matching Holyflare's characterization. Extremely good reads there, mafia team call outs early. Still not the one at a time to exclusion of everyone else bit, but solid. Lol it's funny rels cause my thought is I kind of want to lynch Damerion >> I just...why the fuck mischaracterize something so easy to check in hf's case? no this doesn't prove anything, HF thinks this is true whatver alignment he is. But he's so focused on Damdred for something so minor. So sure. And then when Damdred comes and says BTDT is town, automatically they're a team. And then this whole pointless debate about him being at work, which goes nowhere. Just a pointless discussion in which he argues just to win the debate, just like he does as scum. | ||
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On January 20 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote: Hey your accusation is changing. Better get that in check. I had a bit of free time at work previously to skim and see a btdt post where he fucked off said lol mafia and went about working again. Now I'm home with more free time and am posting more. What you're seemingly saying is that I'm doing mafia things deflecting off df when he's going up for lynch even though I'm saying I don't care if he dies. Even though I've stuck to my same scum reads and have pushed the same things. Maybe I should be less active instead then? HF you're spending so much time defending against this accusation. Nobody else gave a shit. Then later: On January 20 2018 06:40 Holyflare wrote: You're also doing irrelevant Damerion questioning. There's two people up for lynch afaik. Damdred and df. I would like a little more focus on that. Or even mocsta. Why are people voting df? So you're fighting strongly for BTDT/Damdred to be lynched over DF but you have no idea why people scumread him. Makes no sense ot me. Then later On January 20 2018 06:53 Holyflare wrote: I have read df's filter and I have determined he is not the lynch. AT ALL. I'm sticking my neck out and taking a stance. Cool. Why ? But more importantly, it's super late compared to your strong stances about BTDT / Damdred in the posts above. And this whole pointless explanation about how you didn't post before because you were working but now you can post is pointless. | ||
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On January 20 2018 07:30 rsoultin wrote: Well, I'm not townreading him for sure. But I want to consolidate on not-Damdred so... That's everyone on my original list of seven except you if I remember correctly. Who I'd vote over Damdred. I still don't like darth foley really but I remember not liking him anyway as town so that should be taken with a grain of salt. Damerion though...this doesn't read like his last three town games at all. And the meta's being applied wrong. I think I'd prefer his lynch over everyone now >< yeah I also don't like Damerion. In addition to what I've said earlier I didn't like that he came back just to tunnel Damdred some more. When in the other games I skimmed earlier he seemed to always have a more global view in mind | ||
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