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Why can it not be both? He town hunts heavily day one especially without coming to hard decisions by the end of day one. While at the same time he generally explains his scum reads more than one sentence even beyond that on day one?
As for him explaining? I disagree, twat had him sort of backpeddling even about them being a team. And even when he backed up from that he decided to still push them. He was correct I was wrong I agree with that however I do not think he was very town at all this game. And others agreed with me while mafia decided not to shore up the wagon exactly while I take all the blame?
In either case tomorrow I am sure I will find scum and be a hero again.
Right now for instance I am sure Mocsta is town, there is no doubt in my mind. Holyflare and yourself are also high but not as high as him.
I think BTDT could be scum, there might be a reason to check into him a bit more. DarthFoley could of been distancing himself slightly or just trying to save himself when he voted but doubtful when I think Damdred was the lynch and not many were interested in switching. So perhaps i'll check into him tonight.
Will have more solid reads in a bit.
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On January 24 2018 08:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 01:48 Damerion wrote:
It might of been a small pool where we have played together, but Damdred has a remarkably large pool of games to pull from. Also it is not beyond the realm of possibility that in our long conversations Damdred and I discussed some aspects of how each other approaches the game. I don't understand the wording. Did you or did you not have long conversations about how you approach the game with each other where you discussed that point ? It should not just be in the realm of the possiblity, you should know for certain since you were the one having a discussion.
To clarify I did have conversations with Damdred, I was pulling examples why I would have a better meta read on him than what Rsoultin was expressing in her views.
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Also to give plenty of time for discussion and since I believe it clears more than myself anyway.
Hard claiming cop
Night One I checked Mocsta before my shift and it returned green.
Night two I checked Beentheredonethat and it returned green.
Holyflare caught me softing it and i seem to think it makes him town for me not being shot.
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While it is true I could have checked the godfather I think statistically it is unlikely.
For now I think we should consider both beentheredonethat and mocata as town and look elsewhere.
And I disagree I think holyflare is more likely town in thia scenerio.
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To be frank @Mocsta I looked over Damdreds filter after I lynched him and he did have a decent point about your vote at that point.
I also wanted to check someone I did not have a firm read on, was unlikely to be a mafia kill and was unlikely to be a vigilante target.
You were also a target of some conversation d1 so it made sense to me eventually you would be up for lynch and a check one way or another could make the day easier in the future.
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I will be in and out today due to having to finish some paperwork and looking over some things. But I should be here for most of the day.
Firstly I cannot say anything to past setups or if this one is to imbalanced for town, my checks were what I thought were the best at the moment and if I did not get the godfather we had three confirmed town with what to me seems very likely a fourth town in HolyFlare.
I claimed really early with my checks for the reason of discussion, I claimed with a few seconds into the start of the day gave my checks and reasoning. I softed my checks the previous night if by some reason I died and I wanted to leave a clear example why I was townreading Mocsta so hard at that point. Also if anyone wanted to counterclaim me it would give us plenty of time to discuss the merits of my claim vs. theirs instead of waiting for the last minute and confusion happening as is likely to happen.
In any case, I still think BTDT, Mocsta and Holyflare are town in this situation, and I understand that I am the probable lynch today in any case. I have green checks on the first two, HolyFlare should of killed me as scum and he somewhat dumb telled himself when he was going over roles that scum should have to counteract a Vig+Cop when he included a framer which I do not believe is possible by the OP.
As for my other reads give me just a minute to finish this paperwork and I will talk with whoever is around about them.
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On January 24 2018 22:20 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:11 Damerion wrote:
I will be in and out today due to having to finish some paperwork and looking over some things. But I should be here for most of the day.
Firstly I cannot say anything to past setups or if this one is to imbalanced for town, my checks were what I thought were the best at the moment and if I did not get the godfather we had three confirmed town with what to me seems very likely a fourth town in HolyFlare.
I claimed really early with my checks for the reason of discussion, I claimed with a few seconds into the start of the day gave my checks and reasoning. I softed my checks the previous night if by some reason I died and I wanted to leave a clear example why I was townreading Mocsta so hard at that point. Also if anyone wanted to counterclaim me it would give us plenty of time to discuss the merits of my claim vs. theirs instead of waiting for the last minute and confusion happening as is likely to happen.
In any case, I still think BTDT, Mocsta and Holyflare are town in this situation, and I understand that I am the probable lynch today in any case. I have green checks on the first two, HolyFlare should of killed me as scum and he somewhat dumb telled himself when he was going over roles that scum should have to counteract a Vig+Cop when he included a framer which I do not believe is possible by the OP.
As for my other reads give me just a minute to finish this paperwork and I will talk with whoever is around about them. This HF dumbtell doesn't really mean anything alignmentwise. He is also not above faking something like this either. Why exactly did you feel the need to claim without having any conclusive information for town? You could at least try to defend yourself without claiming first, no? Also, why do you give your greenchecks any credit when even if you check a mafia player you only have a 50/50 chance of getting a redcheck?
I had very little time invested in the game beyond day one, I knew I was up for lynch today especially with the Rsoultin kill. Her dying took out the world where I could convince my biggest critic that I am town without claiming at that point. If I was going to be lynched today regardless which it seems to be the case anyway, I wanted all the information out in the thread for discussion.
As for that, its possible but this way avoids confusion and gives town the ability to weigh my claim, gives anyone else the opportunity to counterclaim and we get a free mafia that way anyway. And stops my claiming at the last second for no information to be given by the lynch, CFD/Shenanigans are never good for town in my opinion.
As for the green checks, sure you can reevaluate them at a later day but there has to be at least one mafia outside these two, if its the godfather we know that both of these are now town and the game is basically solved. If it is a roleblocker we know we have to scrutinize them. I felt eliminating three people at this point to the lynch was more important (and letting them talk things out as well as myself without pressure) than waiting until the last minute where confusion would rage.
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On January 24 2018 22:39 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:28 Damerion wrote:On January 24 2018 22:20 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 22:11 Damerion wrote:
I will be in and out today due to having to finish some paperwork and looking over some things. But I should be here for most of the day.
Firstly I cannot say anything to past setups or if this one is to imbalanced for town, my checks were what I thought were the best at the moment and if I did not get the godfather we had three confirmed town with what to me seems very likely a fourth town in HolyFlare.
I claimed really early with my checks for the reason of discussion, I claimed with a few seconds into the start of the day gave my checks and reasoning. I softed my checks the previous night if by some reason I died and I wanted to leave a clear example why I was townreading Mocsta so hard at that point. Also if anyone wanted to counterclaim me it would give us plenty of time to discuss the merits of my claim vs. theirs instead of waiting for the last minute and confusion happening as is likely to happen.
In any case, I still think BTDT, Mocsta and Holyflare are town in this situation, and I understand that I am the probable lynch today in any case. I have green checks on the first two, HolyFlare should of killed me as scum and he somewhat dumb telled himself when he was going over roles that scum should have to counteract a Vig+Cop when he included a framer which I do not believe is possible by the OP.
As for my other reads give me just a minute to finish this paperwork and I will talk with whoever is around about them. This HF dumbtell doesn't really mean anything alignmentwise. He is also not above faking something like this either. Why exactly did you feel the need to claim without having any conclusive information for town? You could at least try to defend yourself without claiming first, no? Also, why do you give your greenchecks any credit when even if you check a mafia player you only have a 50/50 chance of getting a redcheck? I had very little time invested in the game beyond day one, I knew I was up for lynch today especially with the Rsoultin kill. Her dying took out the world where I could convince my biggest critic that I am town without claiming at that point. If I was going to be lynched today regardless which it seems to be the case anyway, I wanted all the information out in the thread for discussion. As for that, its possible but this way avoids confusion and gives town the ability to weigh my claim, gives anyone else the opportunity to counterclaim and we get a free mafia that way anyway. And stops my claiming at the last second for no information to be given by the lynch, CFD/Shenanigans are never good for town in my opinion. As for the green checks, sure you can reevaluate them at a later day but there has to be at least one mafia outside these two, if its the godfather we know that both of these are now town and the game is basically solved. If it is a roleblocker we know we have to scrutinize them. I felt eliminating three people at this point to the lynch was more important (and letting them talk things out as well as myself without pressure) than waiting until the last minute where confusion would rage. But that's the thing - you aren't eliminating anyone with these checks. If you aren't fakeclaiming you just gave away towns most important role for literally 0 gain.
I believe with all of my heart with Rsoultin dead I would have a majority of the votes at this moment with nobody really looking to talk to me about it. The most important role would be reduced to a 0 gain at deadline as well as start of day.
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On January 24 2018 22:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:44 Damerion wrote:On January 24 2018 22:39 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 22:28 Damerion wrote:On January 24 2018 22:20 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 22:11 Damerion wrote:
I will be in and out today due to having to finish some paperwork and looking over some things. But I should be here for most of the day.
Firstly I cannot say anything to past setups or if this one is to imbalanced for town, my checks were what I thought were the best at the moment and if I did not get the godfather we had three confirmed town with what to me seems very likely a fourth town in HolyFlare.
I claimed really early with my checks for the reason of discussion, I claimed with a few seconds into the start of the day gave my checks and reasoning. I softed my checks the previous night if by some reason I died and I wanted to leave a clear example why I was townreading Mocsta so hard at that point. Also if anyone wanted to counterclaim me it would give us plenty of time to discuss the merits of my claim vs. theirs instead of waiting for the last minute and confusion happening as is likely to happen.
In any case, I still think BTDT, Mocsta and Holyflare are town in this situation, and I understand that I am the probable lynch today in any case. I have green checks on the first two, HolyFlare should of killed me as scum and he somewhat dumb telled himself when he was going over roles that scum should have to counteract a Vig+Cop when he included a framer which I do not believe is possible by the OP.
As for my other reads give me just a minute to finish this paperwork and I will talk with whoever is around about them. This HF dumbtell doesn't really mean anything alignmentwise. He is also not above faking something like this either. Why exactly did you feel the need to claim without having any conclusive information for town? You could at least try to defend yourself without claiming first, no? Also, why do you give your greenchecks any credit when even if you check a mafia player you only have a 50/50 chance of getting a redcheck? I had very little time invested in the game beyond day one, I knew I was up for lynch today especially with the Rsoultin kill. Her dying took out the world where I could convince my biggest critic that I am town without claiming at that point. If I was going to be lynched today regardless which it seems to be the case anyway, I wanted all the information out in the thread for discussion. As for that, its possible but this way avoids confusion and gives town the ability to weigh my claim, gives anyone else the opportunity to counterclaim and we get a free mafia that way anyway. And stops my claiming at the last second for no information to be given by the lynch, CFD/Shenanigans are never good for town in my opinion. As for the green checks, sure you can reevaluate them at a later day but there has to be at least one mafia outside these two, if its the godfather we know that both of these are now town and the game is basically solved. If it is a roleblocker we know we have to scrutinize them. I felt eliminating three people at this point to the lynch was more important (and letting them talk things out as well as myself without pressure) than waiting until the last minute where confusion would rage. But that's the thing - you aren't eliminating anyone with these checks. If you aren't fakeclaiming you just gave away towns most important role for literally 0 gain. I believe with all of my heart with Rsoultin dead I would have a majority of the votes at this moment with nobody really looking to talk to me about it. The most important role would be reduced to a 0 gain at deadline as well as start of day. That's a very pessimistic point of view. In my head it doesn't fit with the extremely confident early game Damerion at all. Rsoultin is dead ffs. Why not at least try to convince people? That's literally what this game is about. I think it is far more likely that you are fakeclaiming. Not buying this emo shit.
I do not think I am being emo, or pessimistic. Realistic that people as mderg have been fixated on me since d1 and a death of Rsoultin if they are town just fixes it more firmly in their heads.
I have given my explanation for claiming early, it only has positive benefits for town.
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I mean you call it pessimistic but I literally have 5 votes, three of the votes come from green checks and someone who believed my claim immediately. And you say I had no reason to claim?
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On January 24 2018 22:55 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:53 Damerion wrote:
I mean you call it pessimistic but I literally have 5 votes, three of the votes come from green checks and someone who believed my claim immediately. And you say I had no reason to claim? You gained these votes precisely and only because you claimed. Because the role you claim is very unrealistic at this point.
I understand you not being caught up yet justanothertownie, but saying I gained those votes only because I claim is the unrealistic statement.
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On January 24 2018 23:01 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:58 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 24 2018 19:12 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 19:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
Hm, summarizing:
- having a Cop is unlikely with a vig in (see above)
- his checks are meh
- roleblocker is confirmed, so if we leave him alive for another check, scum will just roleblock and not kill him.
- no counter claim, so if it is a fakeclaim, the real blue stays alive and un-outed
Actually, I think lynching Damerion is a good idea. Yup. Add to that how he is basically claiming to save himself since he was #1 lynch priority beforehand. One thing to note: if it's a fake claim, why doesn't he fake a red check? That way he'd make town throw away one mislynch. There could be various reasons for this. One example: If he redchecks someone he actually has to fight that person 1v1 and considering his standing in the game he might just lose that. Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:58 Damerion wrote:On January 24 2018 22:55 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 22:53 Damerion wrote:
I mean you call it pessimistic but I literally have 5 votes, three of the votes come from green checks and someone who believed my claim immediately. And you say I had no reason to claim? You gained these votes precisely and only because you claimed. Because the role you claim is very unrealistic at this point. I understand you not being caught up yet justanothertownie, but saying I gained those votes only because I claim is the unrealistic statement. No, it is not. In fact I am the main reason you have those votes which you should know if you read this dayphase.
I understand that you were the one who said the game is somewhat unrealistic with a cop and vigilante. But if you took a poll those same people would of voted me sans HolyFlare today.
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On January 24 2018 23:01 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:11 Damerion wrote:
Firstly I cannot say anything to past setups or if this one is to imbalanced for town, my checks were what I thought were the best at the moment and if I did not get the godfather we had three confirmed town with what to me seems very likely a fourth town in HolyFlare. I agree it's shitty to be attacked over something you have no control over. It doesn't make the accusation any less true. 13 players setups with 2 strong investigative roles are: - town favored - rare, so unlikely to be in a newbie game - in all 3 previous student iteration by this host, he had the standard 1 investigative + 1 protective in his 13 players games, and even going for only 1 investigative in his 12 players game for some reason. So, when you add the fact that it's basically the best moment to claim if you're scum, given that you're the prime lynch candidate, it's difficult to believe you. Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:11 Damerion wrote:
In any case, I still think BTDT, Mocsta and Holyflare are town in this situation, and I understand that I am the probable lynch today in any case. I have green checks on the first two, HolyFlare should of killed me as scum and he somewhat dumb telled himself when he was going over roles that scum should have to counteract a Vig+Cop when he included a framer which I do not believe is possible by the OP. HF can definitely fake something like that, so it doesn't prove anything.
I disagree with its the optimum moment to claim, the best moment to claim as scum is near the end of day when the most confusion can be created and you can slip out of a lynch instead of spending 48 hours under the microscope.
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I have to do my errands but i'll be back in a couple hours to hopefully talk about reads instead of reasoning behind my claim.
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sadly my day off got cut off by flu season leaving us short staffed. and im going to die ill leave a reads list
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I have a few people waiting on me so I will do my best before eod. Be back
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