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On December 07 2017 03:53 Calix wrote: I'm surprised you still remember me! Long story short, I haven't had any free time for a while (and I do mean 'no free time' but I don't want to bore everyone with the details). With Christmas coming up, things have settled down a little bit. Will be nice to catch up though You've graduated by now, right? How have things been going for you? Yes, I graduated in May. Now i'm teaching 6th grade English in rural South Carolina. It's an experience worthy of a blog post itself lol. Glad to see you're still around though, thought something may have happened to you after you went MIA right before the Liquidmania lynch in April. | ||
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On December 09 2017 08:56 Damdred wrote: Mafia team is Kel/DF/Chez have fun Can't wait to reverse meta 2 page filter with no effort | ||
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On December 12 2017 06:11 Holyflare wrote: I really didn't realise how much I work in this new job. I have absolutely 0 time. Lame Hi ladies and gentlemen | ||
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On December 12 2017 06:14 Forumite wrote: Lazy Closed setup, named "Simple". I don´t expect anything weird but I haven´t been at TL Mafia for a while, I´m not sure what´s normal these days. Back in the days, doctors and DTs were common, but they rarely had twists. DTs give straight answers, but roleblockers, millers and godfathers can mess with the results. Same with doctors, you protect unless scum use extra killpower or you get roleblocked. why is this relevant at all? | ||
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No. I never get in shit fights with people | ||
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On December 12 2017 08:24 Conversion wrote: also are we trying to pressure palmar into entering before 3 hours left of D1 or something? because I'm on board with this plan I'm always down with this plan. But not down enough to vote. I don't throw votes out all willy nilly like | ||
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On December 12 2017 11:35 Conversion wrote: you won last game I did. It was not as glorious as advertised | ||
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On December 12 2017 12:21 Conversion wrote: from someone who would point out my usage of a nonexistent word (irregardless), I'm going to not give him the benefit of the doubt on wording something poorly. DF knew what he was typing-- a rather poor attempt to joke around and look townie by saying Palmar led "us" to defeat. I also asked DF, not you for your interpretation why aren't you pressing anyone even with some new entrances/some content to buzz around for someone who seems so eager about scumhunting? i'm town this game so that's where the "us" comes in. maybe poorly worded but whatever | ||
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On December 13 2017 04:01 Koshi wrote: I"ll play later. I am town. And I will try my bestest. Koshi scum. VE scum. pphlz or whatever his name is scum solved the game D1. Kmatt town, Oats town, conversion town | ||
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I am here. But I am in a bad mood. It's amazing how aggravating 11-12 year old kids can be. They fucking annoy the shit out of you, until you realize that you're being driven insane by 12 year olds. Which only gets you more salty. No prepubescent child should dictate your happiness... until you have children. | ||
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On December 13 2017 04:21 Arya321 wrote: Why you think prplhz and VE are scum? nothing really strikes me super odd after I talked with VE and think prplhz is town. VE reminds me of my playstyle from last game (literally the last mafia game played on TL) when I was mafia. His activity feels off and a bit forced. Posting for the sake of posting. Like what Kmatt said, he's trying to appear townie. I don't think he's actually pushed the game anywhere even though he's had opportunities to do so. | ||
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On December 13 2017 04:44 Oatsmaster wrote: What a dumb read Yes, Oats, yes! On another note, Koshi reminded me of Conversion's bad push on me that he summarily forgot about or dropped without any explanation. So maybe Conversion can get off my town list for now. Kmatt and Oats still definitely have first class seats with the reclining chairs and cozy blankets. | ||
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On December 13 2017 07:05 Koshi wrote: I think this is my new list. Town is on top. It isn't perfectly in order but close enough. Especially second to sixth place is pretty random. DarthFoley Oatsmaster prphlz VE Ayra321 Kmatt Grack Forumite Holyflare Eversince Chezinu Palmar Conversion Why are you town reading my scum read when that read is a large part of your town read on me? Why did you agree with my town read on Kmatt then make him your 6th most town? | ||
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On December 13 2017 08:22 Palmar wrote: I also think Oats looks potentially okay. Grack's tone is terrible but maybe it's because I haven't really read much of his posts. darthfoley has literally said _nothing_ that matters throughout the game. I don't know if it makes him mafia. So what do you know? | ||
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On December 13 2017 05:41 Kmatt wrote: DF how do you feel about prplhz? I just reread his filter and I was still unimpressed. His vote on Kmatt is really weird and not justified well. Almost struck me like he was uncomfortable with the amount of votes Palmar had after starting the wagon | ||
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Starts off with this On December 12 2017 12:21 Conversion wrote: from someone who would point out my usage of a nonexistent word (irregardless), I'm going to not give him the benefit of the doubt on wording something poorly. DF knew what he was typing-- a rather poor attempt to joke around and look townie by saying Palmar led "us" to defeat. I also asked DF, not you for your interpretation why aren't you pressing anyone even with some new entrances/some content to buzz around for someone who seems so eager about scumhunting? So he reads my post as "a poor attempt to joke around and look townie." Only people concerned about "looking townie" are scum. So we can assume he has some sort of scum read on me, albeit early on in the game. Koshi and I call him out for it, and he responds... On December 13 2017 06:08 Conversion wrote: df when did I ever remotely try to push or case you? lolwut. I said your post was bad in trying to look overly townie Now he sort of pivots to say that my post was "bad" which is still vague, but he continues to push the idea that I was "trying to look overly townie" which still implies some level of scum read while simultaneously claiming he "never remotely tried to push or case me." On December 12 2017 12:33 Conversion wrote: I'm saying it's a bad statement to make to try and look unnecessarily townie. if that makes him scum, idk yet. ya I'm pretty tired too and no one else seems to be entertaining me US-wise so might get some zzz Well, what is the town motivation from Conversion's POV? He's only been concerned with the mafia POV seemingly. This again feels like hedging. On December 13 2017 06:30 Conversion wrote: I’m glad I’m infuriating you because I felt the same about some of your posts. glad it’s a two way road here. now tell me how DF’s posts are genuine when he’s had almost no original thoughts, and he’s not making waves either So now he's implying he doesn't believe my gameplay has been genuine. In fact, he outright says I have "almost no original thoughts" and that i'm "not making waves." These are classic traits of being mafia. On December 13 2017 06:42 Conversion wrote: because you’re arbitrarily reading DF as town for being genuine? are you really asking me why I’m asking you to pull an example because I’m not seeing what you’re seeing? w/e. go about your game and I’ll go about mine So again he's pushing Koshi to provide evidence to substantiate his town read on me. Through all of this he's tried to claim that he hasn't made up his mind on my alignment, while simultaneously only treating me as if he were scum reading me. It should also be noted that he hasn't tried interacting with me at all besides that one defensive question. Instead of trying to determine my alignment by pressuring me or asking me stuff himself, he's doing some round about thing of pressuring Koshi to prove that i'm town???? Why wouldn't he just pressure me? Like why does Koshi's opinion matter at all? | ||
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I can't help it if someone arrives to the same conclusion as me, two hours before I wake up because of timezones etc. The manner in which people push their thoughts is much much more important than the thoughts themselves. | ||
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On December 13 2017 08:54 Conversion wrote: cool story. you and Koshi going to do something like actually vote for your scum reads? On December 13 2017 06:42 Conversion wrote: go about your game and I’ll go about mine | ||
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On December 13 2017 08:59 Conversion wrote: ? I’m Koshi’s best shot at lynching mafia and I’m one of your only scum reads, but you’re just going to sit there and not do anything where’s your town motive in that? I just did something, and called you scummy. I can vote for you whenever I please. I have like 20 hours left to vote. Why the rush? | ||
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On December 13 2017 09:02 Koshi wrote: My list is mine. I dont know who your scumread is I am townreading. I dont tpwnread kmatt because you townread him. I dont even remember what you said about him. My lost is mine. Gathered from things in this thread. I scum read VE. You use that as part of your town read one me. You claim that we "connect" when we're both town, but you also town read VE?? | ||
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On December 13 2017 09:23 Conversion wrote: IT's terrible you and DF have called me mafia on this exact same point for the past I don't even know how many games and you've been right. once. both of you I've only played with you like twice mate. And one of those games I was scum | ||
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On December 13 2017 09:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Df's read on conversion is terrible Thanks champ. Haters are my motivators | ||
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On December 13 2017 09:27 Conversion wrote: I'm consolidating you and HF together bc honestly you two sound the same every time either one of you calls me scum Well I mean you still haven't called me scum so | ||
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On December 13 2017 09:55 Arya321 wrote: Wait Grack thinks I am LightningStrike too? Why do people think I am him or her? Your grammar and punctuation skills are way too good to be LS | ||
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On December 13 2017 09:58 Conversion wrote: Forumite: lots of questions, no real substance I found out two things from this post. HF is their top scum read, and they're ok with a Palmar lynch everything after that is question -> disappear Yes, forumite could well be mafia | ||
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On December 13 2017 10:30 Holyflare wrote: You are without a doubt LightningStrike. I got told by people that you are already. So you have no scum reads and didn't mention ve despite posting that his read switch in oats was odd? I take it back. His inability to say "I'm" or "I am" is a LS tell I not Lightningstrike lol | ||
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On December 13 2017 11:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Koshi and VE are playing super forced townie This I totally agree with | ||
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Doug Jones won!!! FUCK YEA | ||
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On December 13 2017 23:33 Conversion wrote: I don't like the idea of Koshi being married to his list, but that's whatever DF who's next on your list if you're set on lynching me today? let's speak two hypotheticals: I flip scum vs. I don't flip scum Currently re-reading now. Will get back to you after I read the last 10 pages | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:01 prplhz wrote: It's not looks town equals mafia but you're posting more with your brain than your heart which is kind of non-ve-like. You agree with this yourself too in this very post you're saying that you're switching things up. Ok I think this dude is more likely town than not now. | ||
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On December 13 2017 22:07 Conversion wrote: there probably is a mafia between koshi/df btw if I get lynched today. I’m leaning toward more Koshi than that and he’s probably just rerolling his playstyle cuz he knows VE/Palmar won’t let himnslide like last game df is lookin better. I’ll eat a shoe if they both rolled scum again On December 14 2017 02:42 Conversion wrote: this is more interesting than my between DF/Koshi read, but idk if mafia!HF would expose himself so much by sheeping onto a town lynch like that. even in my head between DF/Koshi DF is way more likely to flip mafia if I go under the assumption that one person in the "Conv is mafia" case is mafia can you explain your DF/HF split? So I somehow became "way more likely" to flip mafia than Koshi without posting anything between the times of these two posts, after saying "df looking better" than Koshi. That is some really scummy fucking shit. Also the push back off of Conversion and the fact that Conversion never got more than 3 votes is sus as shit | ||
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On December 14 2017 03:08 Grackaroni wrote: Ok I'm out of time and was just barely able to finish reading the thread. I really don't like that Palmar just implicitly assumed that none of DF/Koshi/Conversion are scum as a way of justifying a scum read on Forumite in the most round about way possible. I'm surprised that nobody commented on HF's push on LS and that HF is less phased by being ignored than he has been so far. I think Palmar is a better lynch than Oatsmaster but I don't think Oatsmaster is a bad lynch either. I'm going to leave my vote on Palmar. I like this post tbh. It's a good post | ||
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On December 14 2017 04:20 Oatsmaster wrote: I don't think koshi or ve is mafia, they are just trying extremely hard to look town. Which isnt a tell one way or another. Okay this is a garbage level post. Holy shit. Maybe Oats really is just terrible mafia | ||
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On December 14 2017 04:53 Koshi wrote: I am playing Heroes. Also voting Palmar I think. It's not that I don't believe in the Oats lynch. He is a fine lynch. Isn't there some meta on Koshi always using video games as an excuse as scum? Maybe that was Rels | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:44 Palmar wrote: The case is this: As I was reading the back and forth and trash talking between conversion, hf, koshi etc, I started wondering "right, so some of them may be mafia, but they all care. If I am mafia, I let this happen but still feel the need to post". So I started thinking about people I remember posting, but don't remember if they said anything of value. I 100% admit that the first person I could think of filling the description of my supposed mafia was forumite. So I decided to read his filter, and that is when I said he's 99% mafia. The strong theme in forumite's filter is that he says stuff that mostly is just there to be around. It's not particularly investigative or contentious, but it is there. I'm gonna give a bunch of examples: I already had noticed this post: the reason it's scummy is because he specifically announces it's not his 1st pick. So any illusion of it actually being a pressure vote or whatever else bullshit you can think of is already shattered. It's completely pointless. In fact, he even apologizes for making this vote when I call him out on it. Right, you can in theory argue that all this, and every post up to this in his filter is just trolling. The rest of his early filter are mostly random shitty questions with some tiny mechanics or role discussion thrown in. Like while I'm editing this a bit for effect, below is literally everything Forumite contributed to the game early on. None of this is actually valid scum hunting. None of this seems designed to lead anywhere. There is no follow up, no thread. Just random shitty questions. I kinda remembered this yesterday, so this post here: which is just a continuation of the same bullshit really struck me. He continues to sort of mull over the conversion thing which is actually the first thing he kinda follows up on, but again the tone seems super mild and overly diplomatic: Why, for example, does he repeatedly ask people to explain the case on Conversion or says he doesn't follow it. It's super clear (I think I quoted koshi's point about conversion and called it good yesterday). This is just a result of forumite either not reading the thread, or just posting shit so he can talk about stuff while pretending to know nothing about it so it's not suspicious that he's actually not contributing anything to the discussion at hand. He does end up making a call on Conversion's alignment, while still inviting more discussion on it without actually pushing his own alternatives all that much. To summarize, it's the mindset in forumite's posting that makes him mafia: 1) He asks questions with no intention to follow up or investigate the answers. 2) He makes alignment calls with no intention of using that information to move the game in a different direction It's a rather good case. This seems like a decently compelling case. I don't think I want to lynch Palmar today. Conversion has done a couple townie things like not taking people's defense of him for granted... but then he also posts some uber scummy shit with no logical read progression so | ||
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On December 14 2017 05:04 Conversion wrote: I didn't ask you to give me more reasons to called you tunneled as fuck onto me, I asked you to tell me who my scummates were if I flip scum and who is scum team if I flip town You're dodging an obvious logical inconsistency in your posts. There actually can't really be a logical progression because I did not post at all between those two posts, but your opinion went from Town: DF >> Koshi to Scum: DF >>>>>>>> Koshi If you flip scum, i'll look at anyone who tried to divert lynch to Oats or had shit reasons to join Oats wagon. Koshi is also not out of the realm of possibility to be your partner. HF less likely. If you flip town, I think there's probably some white-knighting from someone. I actually think HF is more likely to be town than Koshi. | ||
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On December 14 2017 04:57 darthfoley wrote: So I somehow became "way more likely" to flip mafia than Koshi without posting anything between the times of these two posts, after saying "df looking better" than Koshi. That is some really scummy fucking shit. Also the push back off of Conversion and the fact that Conversion never got more than 3 votes is sus as shit Y'all should read this post of mine. It's pretty great. | ||
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If you have a more specific question, let me know. Apparently I don't need reading comprehension to kick ass as mafia or find mafia as town | ||
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On December 14 2017 05:12 Conversion wrote: I'm not going to split hairs with you because you can't read apparently. my big post was stated to be: "If I believe DF/Koshi are town because x," not "DF/Koshi ARE town because X" then I said if I get lynched today, there is a chance that there is a mafia between you and Koshi. and if there is a mafia between you and Koshi, I see Koshi being more mafia than you. then I thought about it more as Koshi posted and you were at work, and thought eh maybe now in my head DF is more mafia than Koshi in this hypothetical situation for someone so eager to call people's posts garbage, your reading comprehension lacks. by a lot. like an almsot laughable amount Why did your opinion of the two of us change? What did Koshi say that swayed you? Why am I more likely to be mafia than him? | ||
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On December 14 2017 05:19 Conversion wrote: it was a possibility case that I was spilling to the thread to get feedback. to paint me as scum because I apparently called you two scum at that point is just dumb because that's not what I was saying in my post I'm not calling you scum because you think we might be scum. I think it's scummy that you have waffled between me/koshi being the one scum in your hypothetical and arbitrarily changed your mind with no real explanation besides vague platitudes. | ||
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On December 14 2017 05:21 Koshi wrote: darthfoley is a lost boy So i'm a lost boy for pushing the person I want to lynch, who you have said many times still has a high chance of flipping mafia? Your apathy towards this lynch is bad or mafia. Maybe bad mafia | ||
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On December 14 2017 05:24 Arya321 wrote: I sort of here I trying to do a take home test atm but I don't think Koshi made that many game excuses as scum but it been a long time. @DF I know you are tunneled atm but imagine if Conversion is town in your world: Who would be scum? On December 14 2017 05:08 darthfoley wrote: You're dodging an obvious logical inconsistency in your posts. There actually can't really be a logical progression because I did not post at all between those two posts, but your opinion went from Town: DF >> Koshi to Scum: DF >>>>>>>> Koshi If you flip scum, i'll look at anyone who tried to divert lynch to Oats or had shit reasons to join Oats wagon. Koshi is also not out of the realm of possibility to be your partner. HF less likely. If you flip town, I think there's probably some white-knighting from someone. I actually think HF is more likely to be town than Koshi. | ||
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Even if Koshi or HF is mafia, there was no effort at all to push the lynch or get people on board. This was part of the reason that I held my vote. I wanted to see if the wagon gained steam, and it really didn't. In fact, it encountered pretty severe backlash and Oats/Palmar/Forumite became a huge thing. Conversion was really relegated to the backseat. Koshi especially hasn't given a flying fuck to push Conversion. I'm concerned as to why | ||
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On December 14 2017 05:27 Arya321 wrote: So nothing changed from that post? Okay.... I made that post like 15 minutes ago asshole | ||
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On December 14 2017 05:28 Holyflare wrote: Ls you aren't the slightest bit concerned at the oats wagon forming this quickly yet every other game you play and this happens you say something. What gives? Yo pls don't be buddying me because I think you've made a few really good points and I would be sad if you were mafia. | ||
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On December 14 2017 05:37 Koshi wrote: Koshi is town. Mafia was lynched D1. That's how we roll. Now. I still stick to my 4 names. But why were you so mad df? I just don't understand. You are obvious town. But still so angry. I said a million times I am fine with this lynch because we are lynching the 3 people I think are mafia. Kinda knew it seeing Oats awake so late :D I'm mad because this dude who moans 24/7 about how bad he is and cry cry cry had the audacity to claim the my reading comprehension was laughably bad. You of all people should know how aggravating it is to have people question your alpha status | ||
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On December 14 2017 05:38 Conversion wrote: I am also happy you, DF, and Koshi failed. and whoever else Tbf Koshi didn't try at all and I didn't have time. | ||
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On December 14 2017 05:43 Koshi wrote: Tis true. But I was so nice to you all the time. And you keep calling me mafia With Oats lynched and on my list. And you thinking Conversion is mafia and me on Conversion. Why? We got such similar reads. You are probably not mafia. I don't understand why mafia didn't try to divert off of Roleblocker!Oats though. Unless Conversion is godfather, but godfather isn't even that good tbh | ||
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On December 14 2017 05:44 Conversion wrote: actually I don't really want to play this game until I don't have to talk to any of you 3 tbh DF is aggravating me more than Koshi is which is rare Your inability to stop whining tires me as well. You are doing a victory lap while also managing to moan about how we're being unfair to you even though you didn't get lynched. Like idk what the point of you posting this is. You literally didn't get lynched. JFC | ||
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On December 14 2017 06:00 Conversion wrote: DF I still am not sure on what your next action is here because all of our discussion back and forth with each other has been centered around me where is your head right now? Here's where I am: confused. Ignoring your alignment for a second, I'm not sure why there wasn't a legitimate counter wagon against Oats. He was a strong role. I look to either Koshi or HF. Both of them are strong willed enough to try and push a Conversion lynch down town's throats if they're mafia with Oats. They also have an ally in me who has shown some flashes of being able to sway lynches in the past. Neither of them try. Koshi especially seems content just sitting back. Their play doesn't make sense from mafia POV. The only strong willed player who seemingly tried to divert any attention away from Oats was Palmar with his case on Forumite. It wasn't a bad case, but mafia!Palmar can make good cases. I think Oats/Palmar/+1 bandwagoner or off wagon makes sense. There is a world where you and Oats are both mafia and mafia are just kinda fucked altogether, but I think the first scenario I laid out is more likely. | ||
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On December 14 2017 06:25 prplhz wrote: I think railroading Palmar on N1 is a pretty horrible idea. I feel like I've seen you make some good two liner posts about people, but i'm not really sure where you stand on the game as a whole. Enlighten me, especially after your lynch person flipped scum | ||
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I hardly consider this a big post. It's like 2 lines about Oats tbh | ||
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On December 14 2017 06:33 prplhz wrote: I think it's not as clear as you say in your big post. The conversion lynch was pushed hard but never gained traction. So I don't think it makes sense to say scum could have gone for him instead. Same about Forumite. I think this lynch just kind of happened and no one really knows why. I feel like the game is not just following Joshis list. I kinda feel like mafia bussed Oats and then it got out of control and they couldn't back off of it | ||
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The N1 streak continues. Stop stroking my ego like this! GG all! GL town | ||
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