[M][N] A Simple Game of Mafia

On December 07 2017 02:46 Calix wrote:




/observe

On December 07 2017 03:53 Calix wrote:


I'm surprised you still remember me!

Long story short, I haven't had any free time for a while (and I do mean 'no free time' but I don't want to bore everyone with the details). With Christmas coming up, things have settled down a little bit.

Will be nice to catch up though You've graduated by now, right? How have things been going for you?

On December 09 2017 08:56 Damdred wrote:
Mafia team is

Kel/DF/Chez have fun

On December 12 2017 06:11 Holyflare wrote:
I really didn't realise how much I work in this new job. I have absolutely 0 time.

On December 12 2017 06:14 Forumite wrote:

Lazy

Closed setup, named "Simple". I don´t expect anything weird but I haven´t been at TL Mafia for a while, I´m not sure what´s normal these days. Back in the days, doctors and DTs were common, but they rarely had twists. DTs give straight answers, but roleblockers, millers and godfathers can mess with the results. Same with doctors, you protect unless scum use extra killpower or you get roleblocked.

On December 12 2017 08:00 Conversion wrote:


fight me

On December 12 2017 08:24 Conversion wrote:
also are we trying to pressure palmar into entering before 3 hours left of D1 or something? because I'm on board with this plan

On December 12 2017 11:35 Conversion wrote:
you won last game

On December 12 2017 12:21 Conversion wrote:


from someone who would point out my usage of a nonexistent word (irregardless), I'm going to not give him the benefit of the doubt on wording something poorly. DF knew what he was typing-- a rather poor attempt to joke around and look townie by saying Palmar led "us" to defeat. I also asked DF, not you for your interpretation

why aren't you pressing anyone even with some new entrances/some content to buzz around for someone who seems so eager about scumhunting?

On December 13 2017 04:01 Koshi wrote:
I"ll play later. I am town. And I will try my bestest.

On December 13 2017 04:21 Arya321 wrote:

Why you think prplhz and VE are scum? nothing really strikes me super odd after I talked with VE and think prplhz is town.

On December 13 2017 04:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
What a dumb read

On December 13 2017 07:05 Koshi wrote:


I think this is my new list. Town is on top. It isn't perfectly in order but close enough. Especially second to sixth place is pretty random.

DarthFoley
Oatsmaster
prphlz
VE
Ayra321
Kmatt
Grack
Forumite
Holyflare
Eversince
Chezinu
Palmar
Conversion

On December 13 2017 08:22 Palmar wrote:
I also think Oats looks potentially okay.

Grack's tone is terrible but maybe it's because I haven't really read much of his posts.

darthfoley has literally said _nothing_ that matters throughout the game. I don't know if it makes him mafia.

On December 13 2017 05:41 Kmatt wrote:
DF how do you feel about prplhz?

On December 12 2017 12:21 Conversion wrote:


from someone who would point out my usage of a nonexistent word (irregardless), I'm going to not give him the benefit of the doubt on wording something poorly. DF knew what he was typing-- a rather poor attempt to joke around and look townie by saying Palmar led "us" to defeat. I also asked DF, not you for your interpretation

why aren't you pressing anyone even with some new entrances/some content to buzz around for someone who seems so eager about scumhunting?

On December 13 2017 06:08 Conversion wrote:
df when did I ever remotely try to push or case you? lolwut. I said your post was bad in trying to look overly townie

On December 12 2017 12:33 Conversion wrote:
I'm saying it's a bad statement to make to try and look unnecessarily townie. if that makes him scum, idk yet.

ya I'm pretty tired too and no one else seems to be entertaining me US-wise so might get some zzz

On December 13 2017 06:30 Conversion wrote:
I’m glad I’m infuriating you because I felt the same about some of your posts. glad it’s a two way road here.

now tell me how DF’s posts are genuine when he’s had almost no original thoughts, and he’s not making waves either

On December 13 2017 06:42 Conversion wrote:
because you’re arbitrarily reading DF as town for being genuine? are you really asking me why I’m asking you to pull an example because I’m not seeing what you’re seeing?

w/e. go about your game and I’ll go about mine

On December 13 2017 08:54 Conversion wrote:
cool story. you and Koshi going to do something like actually vote for your scum reads?

On December 13 2017 06:42 Conversion wrote:
go about your game and I’ll go about mine

On December 13 2017 08:59 Conversion wrote:
? I’m Koshi’s best shot at lynching mafia and I’m one of your only scum reads, but you’re just going to sit there and not do anything

where’s your town motive in that?

On December 13 2017 09:02 Koshi wrote:

My list is mine.
I dont know who your scumread is I am townreading. I dont tpwnread kmatt because you townread him. I dont even remember what you said about him.

My lost is mine. Gathered from things in this thread.

On December 13 2017 09:23 Conversion wrote:


IT's terrible you and DF have called me mafia on this exact same point for the past I don't even know how many games and you've been right.

once.

both of you

On December 13 2017 09:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Df's read on conversion is terrible

On December 13 2017 09:27 Conversion wrote:


I'm consolidating you and HF together bc honestly you two sound the same every time either one of you calls me scum

On December 13 2017 09:55 Arya321 wrote:
Wait Grack thinks I am LightningStrike too? Why do people think I am him or her?

On December 13 2017 09:58 Conversion wrote:
Forumite:

lots of questions, no real substance










I found out two things from this post. HF is their top scum read, and they're ok with a Palmar lynch

everything after that is question -> disappear

On December 13 2017 10:30 Holyflare wrote:


You are without a doubt LightningStrike. I got told by people that you are already.

So you have no scum reads and didn't mention ve despite posting that his read switch in oats was odd?

On December 13 2017 11:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi and VE are playing super forced townie

On December 13 2017 23:33 Conversion wrote:
I don't like the idea of Koshi being married to his list, but that's whatever

DF who's next on your list if you're set on lynching me today?

let's speak two hypotheticals: I flip scum vs. I don't flip scum

On December 14 2017 00:01 prplhz wrote:

It's not looks town equals mafia but you're posting more with your brain than your heart which is kind of non-ve-like. You agree with this yourself too in this very post you're saying that you're switching things up.

On December 13 2017 22:07 Conversion wrote:
there probably is a mafia between koshi/df btw if I get lynched today. I’m leaning toward more Koshi than that and he’s probably just rerolling his playstyle cuz he knows VE/Palmar won’t let himnslide like last game

df is lookin better. I’ll eat a shoe if they both rolled scum again

On December 14 2017 02:42 Conversion wrote:


this is more interesting than my between DF/Koshi read, but idk if mafia!HF would expose himself so much by sheeping onto a town lynch like that. even in my head between DF/Koshi DF is way more likely to flip mafia if I go under the assumption that one person in the "Conv is mafia" case is mafia

can you explain your DF/HF split?

On December 14 2017 03:08 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok I'm out of time and was just barely able to finish reading the thread.

I really don't like that Palmar just implicitly assumed that none of DF/Koshi/Conversion are scum as a way of justifying a scum read on Forumite in the most round about way possible.

I'm surprised that nobody commented on HF's push on LS and that HF is less phased by being ignored than he has been so far.

I think Palmar is a better lynch than Oatsmaster but I don't think Oatsmaster is a bad lynch either. I'm going to leave my vote on Palmar.

On December 14 2017 04:20 Oatsmaster wrote:

I don't think koshi or ve is mafia, they are just trying extremely hard to look town.
Which isnt a tell one way or another.

On December 14 2017 04:53 Koshi wrote:
I am playing Heroes. Also voting Palmar I think.
It's not that I don't believe in the Oats lynch. He is a fine lynch.

On December 14 2017 00:44 Palmar wrote:
The case is this:

As I was reading the back and forth and trash talking between conversion, hf, koshi etc, I started wondering "right, so some of them may be mafia, but they all care. If I am mafia, I let this happen but still feel the need to post". So I started thinking about people I remember posting, but don't remember if they said anything of value. I 100% admit that the first person I could think of filling the description of my supposed mafia was forumite. So I decided to read his filter, and that is when I said he's 99% mafia.

The strong theme in forumite's filter is that he says stuff that mostly is just there to be around. It's not particularly investigative or contentious, but it is there. I'm gonna give a bunch of examples:

I already had noticed this post:



the reason it's scummy is because he specifically announces it's not his 1st pick. So any illusion of it actually being a pressure vote or whatever else bullshit you can think of is already shattered. It's completely pointless. In fact, he even apologizes for making this vote when I call him out on it.



Right, you can in theory argue that all this, and every post up to this in his filter is just trolling. The rest of his early filter are mostly random shitty questions with some tiny mechanics or role discussion thrown in. Like while I'm editing this a bit for effect, below is literally everything Forumite contributed to the game early on.












None of this is actually valid scum hunting. None of this seems designed to lead anywhere. There is no follow up, no thread. Just random shitty questions. I kinda remembered this yesterday, so this post here:



which is just a continuation of the same bullshit really struck me.

He continues to sort of mull over the conversion thing which is actually the first thing he kinda follows up on, but again the tone seems super mild and overly diplomatic:

Why, for example, does he repeatedly ask people to explain the case on Conversion or says he doesn't follow it. It's super clear (I think I quoted koshi's point about conversion and called it good yesterday). This is just a result of forumite either not reading the thread, or just posting shit so he can talk about stuff while pretending to know nothing about it so it's not suspicious that he's actually not contributing anything to the discussion at hand.

He does end up making a call on Conversion's alignment, while still inviting more discussion on it without actually pushing his own alternatives all that much.

To summarize, it's the mindset in forumite's posting that makes him mafia:

1) He asks questions with no intention to follow up or investigate the answers.
2) He makes alignment calls with no intention of using that information to move the game in a different direction

It's a rather good case.

On December 14 2017 05:04 Conversion wrote:
I didn't ask you to give me more reasons to called you tunneled as fuck onto me, I asked you to tell me who my scummates were if I flip scum and who is scum team if I flip town

On December 14 2017 04:57 darthfoley wrote:




So I somehow became "way more likely" to flip mafia than Koshi without posting anything between the times of these two posts, after saying "df looking better" than Koshi.

That is some really scummy fucking shit. Also the push back off of Conversion and the fact that Conversion never got more than 3 votes is sus as shit

On December 14 2017 05:12 Conversion wrote:
I'm not going to split hairs with you because you can't read apparently.

my big post was stated to be: "If I believe DF/Koshi are town because x," not "DF/Koshi ARE town because X"

then I said if I get lynched today, there is a chance that there is a mafia between you and Koshi. and if there is a mafia between you and Koshi, I see Koshi being more mafia than you. then I thought about it more as Koshi posted and you were at work, and thought eh maybe now in my head DF is more mafia than Koshi in this hypothetical situation

for someone so eager to call people's posts garbage, your reading comprehension lacks. by a lot. like an almsot laughable amount

On December 14 2017 05:19 Conversion wrote:


it was a possibility case that I was spilling to the thread to get feedback. to paint me as scum because I apparently called you two scum at that point is just dumb because that's not what I was saying in my post

On December 14 2017 05:21 Koshi wrote:
darthfoley is a lost boy

On December 14 2017 05:24 Arya321 wrote:
I sort of here I trying to do a take home test atm but I don't think Koshi made that many game excuses as scum but it been a long time.
@DF I know you are tunneled atm but imagine if Conversion is town in your world: Who would be scum?

On December 14 2017 05:08 darthfoley wrote:


You're dodging an obvious logical inconsistency in your posts. There actually can't really be a logical progression because I did not post at all between those two posts, but your opinion went from Town: DF >> Koshi to Scum: DF >>>>>>>> Koshi

If you flip scum, i'll look at anyone who tried to divert lynch to Oats or had shit reasons to join Oats wagon. Koshi is also not out of the realm of possibility to be your partner. HF less likely.

If you flip town, I think there's probably some white-knighting from someone. I actually think HF is more likely to be town than Koshi.

On December 14 2017 05:27 Arya321 wrote:

So nothing changed from that post? Okay....

On December 14 2017 05:28 Holyflare wrote:
Ls you aren't the slightest bit concerned at the oats wagon forming this quickly yet every other game you play and this happens you say something. What gives?

On December 14 2017 05:37 Koshi wrote:
Koshi is town. Mafia was lynched D1.
That's how we roll.

Now. I still stick to my 4 names.

But why were you so mad df? I just don't understand. You are obvious town. But still so angry.



I said a million times I am fine with this lynch because we are lynching the 3 people I think are mafia.




Kinda knew it seeing Oats awake so late :D

On December 14 2017 05:38 Conversion wrote:
I am also happy you, DF, and Koshi failed. and whoever else

On December 14 2017 05:43 Koshi wrote:

Tis true. But I was so nice to you all the time. And you keep calling me mafia
With Oats lynched and on my list. And you thinking Conversion is mafia and me on Conversion.

Why? We got such similar reads.

On December 14 2017 05:44 Conversion wrote:
actually I don't really want to play this game until I don't have to talk to any of you 3 tbh

DF is aggravating me more than Koshi is which is rare

On December 14 2017 06:00 Conversion wrote:
DF I still am not sure on what your next action is here because all of our discussion back and forth with each other has been centered around me

where is your head right now?

On December 14 2017 06:25 prplhz wrote:
I think railroading Palmar on N1 is a pretty horrible idea.

On December 14 2017 06:33 prplhz wrote:

I think it's not as clear as you say in your big post. The conversion lynch was pushed hard but never gained traction. So I don't think it makes sense to say scum could have gone for him instead. Same about Forumite. I think this lynch just kind of happened and no one really knows why.

I feel like the game is not just following Joshis list.