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On December 08 2017 06:14 VisceraEyes wrote: THATS THE DUDE WHO BROUGHT THE RESISTANCE TO TLMAFIA PEOPLE!!! Oh yeah, that was a looong time ago. Were there any more resistance games after that? | ||
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On December 08 2017 13:09 Chezinu wrote: /in What is this resistance? Occurred when I was busy irl? It's a bit like mafia without a lynch. Smaller games, 5-10 players, focused on finding trusted townies and excluding likely scum by picking and voting on teams. No lynch or death and no flips, and everyone is alive at the end, even confirmed scum. I ran the first games here a few years | ||
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On December 12 2017 05:37 Kmatt wrote: On the first day of Christmas, Damdred gave to me: surprise murder mystery! Noone´s dead yet, planning to survive the first night? | ||
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On December 12 2017 06:07 Kmatt wrote: As if. I must have spent a good 90 seconds getting the syllables to line up. No way am I doing the entire song. Lazy Closed setup, named "Simple". I don´t expect anything weird but I haven´t been at TL Mafia for a while, I´m not sure what´s normal these days. Back in the days, doctors and DTs were common, but they rarely had twists. DTs give straight answers, but roleblockers, millers and godfathers can mess with the results. Same with doctors, you protect unless scum use extra killpower or you get roleblocked. | ||
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Closed setup, we don´t even get possible roles. On December 12 2017 08:04 prplhz wrote: Hi. Hi prplhz. Are you scum or town? | ||
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Good to know. Wanna lynch someone? On December 12 2017 08:07 Grackaroni wrote: I'm sensing some electrical discharge of the variety typically found in a thunder storm. If only I could put a name to it. Shiny | ||
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On December 12 2017 08:21 prplhz wrote: Lets get started ##Vote Palmar Not my first pick, but this works. ##Vote Palmar | ||
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HF On December 12 2017 06:11 Holyflare wrote: I really didn't realise how much I work in this new job. I have absolutely 0 time. | ||
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I know. I was just about to suggest HF when prplhz picked you and didn't want to divide attention. HF for later, you first. On December 12 2017 18:57 Palmar wrote: I have no real opinions yet, can someone make up a shitfight or something? Do you have any thoughts on the setup and current blue/black-tells? | ||
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On December 12 2017 22:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Man this wagon is big. I feel like it's this bitcoin bubble that's about to burst, Palmar isn't gonna get lynched at all is he?! Hi VE, what are your scumreads? | ||
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On December 13 2017 06:39 Grackaroni wrote: This is going to sound pretty stupid but I could see teammates wanting to jump on scum Palmar as a distancing maneuver at the start of the day when there's little chance that votes would stay on him for the rest of the day. Yes, that´s possible, but it doesn´t really give town-points unless Palmar is lynched and they lead the lynch. Why do you say it´s stupid? This is one of your first real posts in this game, and also full of WIFOM and a soft-defend on someone you are voting for. On December 12 2017 08:07 Grackaroni wrote: I'm sensing some electrical discharge of the variety typically found in a thunder storm. If only I could put a name to it. On December 13 2017 00:58 Grackaroni wrote: Would you please explain these two? Nooooo. I was just upset about Palmar's callous hijacking of your unicorn. I swears it. Also I have pork chops. Lots of pork chops. | ||
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On December 13 2017 19:09 Koshi wrote: Hi Koshi. Hmm. It would be impressive if it was Conversion, Palmar and Chezinu. Is HF town? What is the case on Conversion? Around page 10 there were a lot of accusations towards him, is there any post in particular that started this? | ||
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On December 13 2017 19:21 Koshi wrote: I think you are town, but I'm not following the case on Conversion. Conversion wasn't pushing DF much, maybe asking about him but that's just as likely to get a read on whoever he is asking for opinions. I think DFs case on conversion was jumping the gun and attacking his accuser. Conversion was talking about an old game and how DF described it, him calling DF scum in that game has no connection on him being scum here. Maybe a weak accusation but not much more. Afterwards Conversion is defending himself so harder to read. HF is unknown but we cant lynch him. He is voting the best case and putting his vote behind lock townies. DF got a case on Conversion. I already typed up some things against him. But best is you read his filter and give us your opinion. If you are in doubt. Check our filters and see if you think we (df and I) are town. If we are. Help us lynch Conversion. On December 12 2017 08:29 Conversion wrote: This is the only early post of Conversion that I dislike, like HF he excused himself from contributing by calling himself a bad player early. He wasn't under attack or pressured. I played once or twice in 2012, got intimidated, came back in 2017. I've played like 5 games, I'm awful at both and only win when I get carried. nothing much, just playing a vidya game and f5ing this page periodically | ||
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On December 13 2017 20:04 Eversince wrote: Ok, I'll reread thread laterForum- You need to be following the case on Conversion though... It has dictated the thread for basically thhe last 15 pages. Eversince, could you start quoting whoever you are answering or talking about? Your posts are very hard to understand, like you are talking to yourself. | ||
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On December 13 2017 19:32 Eversince wrote: Palmar is still a good lynch, but I will need to reread him. I haven't seen counter-cases by Palmar which is what I'd expect to see from town-Palmar. That's ooold meta though but seems to still hold true. Forum; What is your current stance on the game? Most I get from filtering is that you think the most mafia'ish players *Plamar, HF, Etc* Are players that I think we have enough incentive to let leave alive until tomorrow. What's your recent views? (whenever you are caught up.) I'm collecting town-reads, which are secret. On scumreads, I need to check the cases on Conversion and Oats. There are others but I generally don't like to give mafia an alternative lynch to push. If you think that's anti-town then let me know. | ||
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On December 13 2017 20:23 Eversince wrote: You could clarify a bit more instead. My post have either been an over arching thread of what I've thought of my catch up or in direct response to someone. I can quote if it is really needed. It seems like a waste of thread space to me for what I have responded to o.o Rereading conversions filter was very low on quotes, which makes it hard to understand. That's what your posts feel like. | ||
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On December 13 2017 20:36 Eversince wrote: Yeah, I know, I'm rereading when I can. We're at a decent size thread allready. That sounded harsher than I meant it to. If you don't understand context around something I've said, ask me about it. I'll explain. There that's much nicer (: On Conversion, I think he's town. I like this post in particular On December 13 2017 09:38 Conversion wrote: He's not grateful for help, which he kind of needs now, instead he's suspicious because Oats doesn't elaborate why he's defending conversion. care to explain why it's terrible? you're going against some heavy hitters here | ||
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On December 13 2017 21:25 Holyflare wrote: If you are sure on Conversion, would you make a case? The current case on Conversion is old and spread between Koshi and DF and maaany pages. I think forumite might be mafia. That's just a cursory not read much other than skimming point of view but he seems to be all about defending conversion and he seems a bit off. I think Oats is scum. He doesn't post with much substance, and his defence of Conversion was lacklustre. Is one-liners how he usually plays? | ||
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On December 13 2017 21:50 Holyflare wrote: Why is calling someone out without voting scummy? It wasn't a full case, maybe Conversion was unsure and decided to pressure. It's only scummy if he was trying to get a lynch going, or make people suspicious of DF, without calling attention to himself. I don't see that. It's really not old and spread over many pages. If you read my posts, since there aren't that many, I said it was specifically the df case on conversion that made me sheep. It's just conversion repeatedly saying df is doing mafia things and then never actually calling him mafia. Why oats? My current scumreads are Oats and Kmatt. Both have very short filters and no concrete accusations, mostly staying under the radar. Oats mostly for his two posts defending conversion without acctually relieving pressure or countering argument, just pointing a finger at townies about to lynch townies. On December 13 2017 11:11 Kmatt wrote: What is he talking about? Why does he want my opinion on it? Also, soft accusing me of lurking. Is he steering away from the Palmar lynch? I'm on it, but didn't lead it. Possibly calling attention to me over prplhz and conversion, or it's unrelated to Palmar voting. Oh, looks like I missed Conversion's question earlier I've been following this thread on and off but was more curious to see where Koshi (and hopefully Forumite if he ever comes back) were gonna take it. Also there wasn't much content at the time aside from the half-serious Palmar wagon, so I prefer to seek out a case on my own. I guess that counts as playstyle. | ||
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On December 13 2017 11:11 Kmatt wrote: Okay, kmatt was referring to the Conversion lynch/wagon, which I'm not on. Is he confused? "it" in that last post being the push on Conversion. Me and my pronouns. | ||
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On December 13 2017 22:13 Arya321 wrote: VE, prplhz, Koshi, Palmar, a bunch more. I think Koshi did a short metaread on me in his filter. Had anyone in here played with Forumite before? Just curious since I never played with him >.> | ||
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##Vote Oatsmaster | ||
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On December 13 2017 12:50 Chezinu wrote: Chezinu, is Kmatt scum? Kmatt, are you scares? On December 13 2017 08:19 Palmar wrote: I'd like to see Palmars opinions after the promised reread. Is "tomorrow" now or after the nightpost? So far he has Scum Conversion, town Oats, so basically opposite mine. Palmars filter is very thin, I want moreI am not catching up tonight (will do tomorrow), but I do agree with this so conversion is no longer town, and koshi looks better for making the point. I will be away for the hours leading up to the lynch, but still here for a while yet. | ||
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On December 13 2017 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote: I´d like to put Kmatt in the black list, I don´t see any reason why he should be considered town. I tried to find the genuine anger at VE defending his target, whatever. Not enough for me. Kmatt Grackaroni Conversion Ayra321 prphlz Eversince DarthFoley Forumite Koshi Oatsmaster Holyflare Palmar This is approximately where I stand. I don't think I missed anyone. I honestly still don't have any scumreads until I see some flips or whatever, I still kinda think Oats is mafia based on his lack of giving shits and I'm really confused by Koshi's utter hatred of my playstyle. But it's whatever. I won't lynch anyone that's green and I would lynch anyone that's black. I'm in the process of narrowing it down to who I actually prefer to lynch now. On Koshi, what do you think is off with his play? I´d like to lynch Oats today, or Palmar unless he gets in here talking. Or Kmatt. Right now there are too many undecided. | ||
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On December 13 2017 23:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Nice##Unvote ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:22 Palmar wrote: Would you mind elaborating? It´s not scummy to call me mafia but you´ve been quiet for a while and I just started throwing suspicion on Oats who´s gotten a few votes allready. Are you defending Oats, or are you setting up for an easy lynch on me D2? Actually, I'm not 99% sure, I'm 100% sure forumite is mafia. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:47 Palmar wrote: Not really. You have as good a read on me as everyone else in the thread, that I was slow in the beginning and did a few odd posts early. You are right on calling me out on those, that doesn´t make you scum. Doing a read on me is a null-read the other way around, I´ve gotten a lot of suspicion from townies as town in other games and in reverse I try not to automatically side with those who agree with me. get out of your shell scum. Why on earth are you excusing me for calling you mafia. I'm fucking great at this, I should not be wrong when I'm convinced. If you're town you surely must consider I'm mafia. Big question, why do you think Oats is town? Or are you pushing me because I tried to save Conversion? You say that it was a clear case, I´ve read the thread and his filter but I don´t see it. If you want Conversion lynched then give me a case on him first. Going for a chainsaw defence in favor of Oats make you look scummy. | ||
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Eversince, DF, you need to vote. | ||
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On December 14 2017 01:22 Arya321 wrote: Thanks, I guessPalmar can you please sheep this Oats vote although your case is decent I think Oats got a higher chance of being mafia than Forumite since I know Oats better than Forumite. | ||
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If I was afraid of getting lynched I would have sheeped Conversion | ||
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On December 14 2017 01:30 Palmar wrote: Nah, you actually came around and read Oats. Notice how I cleverly set you up for an easy day 2 lynch. | ||
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On December 14 2017 02:55 prplhz wrote: 2,5 hours, the vote-count post has a timer. Kind of agree, I think HolyFlare sort of piggy bagged on that read and tried to take credit for work where none was due. Kind of thinking Oatsmaster/Kmart/HolyFlare but the last scum could be pretty much anybody. When is deadline? I though it was in like six hours. Kmatt, Ever and DF haven't voted yet. | ||
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On December 14 2017 05:51 prplhz wrote: That red-flip, feelsgoodman.jpgIs there anything better than a red flip even if you didn't have much to do with it? Almost makes up for having to play from a phone. | ||
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On December 14 2017 05:40 darthfoley wrote: I think he was in here posting a bit before the lynch. But yes, if the lynch is sure then it´s a good tactic to go completely silent so that town don´t get any more info. If scum keeps posting then what we do get is WIFOM, but there is always a risk that he makes a mistake right before flipping. This is actually quite interesting. Whoever said Oats was AFK'ing not to implicate his partners was diggity right. I'll have to do some rereading later tonight | ||
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On December 14 2017 09:25 Conversion wrote: Yeah, blue with a twist. Parity cops only know if two players are the same or different alignment, so you can´t know for sure until one of the flips. That way you can´t trust the detective, or at least the DT can´t get as good a read or as quickly and scum have more chances to kill the DT. There´s also the Doctor who only saves if the target is under attack, otherwise the doctor kills the target. It can´t really work as a normal medic but can instead be an odd Vigilante. These are rare in TL Mafia as far as I remember, except in the weirder themed games. ok i googled it. so check someone n1 then check someone n2 and the return is a comparison of both? | ||
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On December 14 2017 21:22 Eversince wrote: Hi Ever. Who is your current lynch candidates? What's your read on Conversion after the Oats flip? O alright I guess but I did say I voted Oats over you because I thought your lynch would not happen at the time frame I was around? How is not that clear? | ||
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On December 15 2017 01:28 Kmatt wrote: Are you going to be more active during D2? I'm still keeping up but probably can't post much for the next 8hrs or so. | ||
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I don't think it's impossible that there could be 2 scum left, I'm not sure what the usual number is for 14-player games. | ||
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On December 15 2017 06:23 Kmatt wrote: Or HolyFlareHot dog! I figured Grack would be a default lynch by virtue of being so afk, but what a hit! At this point I think the safest course of action is to lynch Palmar. If he's red we win, and if he's really a cop then Forumite is on the chopping block. Only other option would be if he was a VT claiming for who knows what reason (I've seen this unfortunately). Or is it possible to have four scum players? Palmar, could you clarify your check? | ||
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On December 15 2017 06:44 Conversion wrote: Yes, but you don't get read of red/green, but of same/different alignment. So Palmar seems to be saying that I and HF are different alignmentswait so parity cop checks TWO people in one night? not one person one night, one person next night? | ||
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On December 15 2017 06:48 Conversion wrote: We don´t know, if you google Parity cop then that´s the rule on MafiaWiki, but Damdred could play it some other way in this game. Closed setup. ohhhhhhh. okay. I thought parity cop can only check one person this night, and then another person next night woops | ||
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On December 15 2017 07:18 Palmar wrote: I don´t like to remind people but I was the one who called attention to Oats which lead to him getting lynched D1. Why do you feel that I´m a good D2 lynch? Are you saying I pushed a scumbuddy under no pressure at all in order to save Conversion? Is this a weird plan to gain town cred or is Conversion scum too? I don´t get it, please explain. yes, it could be the forumite is wrong, hf is random and prplhz is correct. I still think we should lynch forumite. there's a 50% chance (assuming prplhz is town) that I simply have a correct red check on him, and additionally he hasn't claimed a role so even if it's just wrong and he flips town (which tells us nothing about hf), hf can have an additional day to explain his thing. Palmars reads are too unsure. All three could be townies. I think we should wait until a second round of reads from Palmar/HolyFlare, and until then play without relying on blues. ##Unvote | ||
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On December 15 2017 07:36 Holyflare wrote: Palmar gets 3 checks, but none of them are reliable. He needs a second round of checks, preferably at the same people, and even then its not certain to give results. Your power is actually more reliable, although it takes an extra day to use. We've had 2 normal roles rber and gf and a vig shot and you're a non standard cop that gets 3 checks in one night? Not going to believe that. | ||
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Both confirmed scum had very few posts, but both talked a lot about Palmar, especially early game. Oats got on the early Palmar-wagon to which grack said scum might try to distance themselves from other scum. When Oats wagon got speed Grack stayed away and said Palmar was a better lynch, but that wagon had allready halted. It might be nothing, WIFOM, maybe them being starstruck and focusing, and we should probably wait for Palmars N2 checks, but something I noticed rereading with focus on Oats+Grack. | ||
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On December 15 2017 09:08 Arya321 wrote: That was the thing, the thing I found. I just told you. What you found from rereading with focus on Oats+Grack? You haven't told us yet  Both have few posts, both talk about Palmar a lot. I don't have a quote-list right now. | ||
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On December 15 2017 09:23 Arya321 wrote: Would it be funny as hell if the scum team bussed each other in that fashion lmao. It's possible. You're scum lurking away, see town lynching eachother, then notice people talking about your scumbuddy and you choose that post to reply to, because people pushing your scum buddies interest you. WIFOM but possible | ||
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On December 15 2017 18:42 Palmar wrote: I like how his case on me hasn't changed since D1. Here's a list of people I think have a realistic chance of flipping mafia: Holyflare Eversince Forumite The list of people who probably are town but it's weak: Conversion Kmatt LS And here's the list of people who are highly likely to be town: Koshi VE prplhz the wildcard is, as always, Chez. His 3 checks could all be townies, so there's an out there if we lynch 3 times. I'm not 100% sure on HF though, but he looks much better than Palmar after this claim circus. | ||
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On December 15 2017 20:25 VisceraEyes wrote: 3rd Party? Oh you were claiming third party with your non-claim. I get it now. You're a pleasure Palmar, I'm sorry we didn't get along for so long. | ||
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On December 15 2017 21:21 Palmar wrote: Said anything? I've done something, I got Oats lynched. It might have bern with support from town and against lurking scum, but are you really implying I bussed a scumbuddy for the hell of it? Sure, it happens, but is that what you accuse me of? The case doesn't change because you can't change actions that happened in the past. However, if I was a betting man I'd actually pick Eversince as my #1 chance of hitting mafia. You did put the first vote down on Oats. While that may have simply been bad luck by you (as mafia) that it took off, it does give me some hesitation about your alignment. You've still not said anything that particularly makes me think you're town, but of the three people in the scummy part of town you'd at the moment be my last pick to be lynched. | ||
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If there is a vigi, you should probably claim. | ||
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On December 16 2017 06:02 Palmar wrote: Is there any truth to your pleas? They haven´t helped town any, just muddled up D2 and made sure that you are the lynch. It doesn´t even make sense from a town perspective, you claimed cop during the night, putting a huge target on yourself. That wouldn´t have been a problem if you were a 1-shot vig with the Roleblocker dead, except at the time you say you thought you had unlimited shots. If you thought you could just keep shooting then why paint a huge target on yourself by claiming DT? Also, you are usually so confident with your ability to find scum, so you would throw away that and your blue ability by claiming. Did you expect the WIFOM and confusion of claiming to confuse scum enough to shoot someone else? It makes more sense that you are scum and claimed blue because you wanted town-cred and were not afraid of getting shot during the night. Then after Grack flipped you became desperate or lost interest in the game and just went crazy with claiming several different roles. I admit I may have had better ideas. But that does not change the truth value of my plea for innocence! | ||
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On December 16 2017 07:26 prplhz wrote: Grack could have been killed by a lurking townie that haven´t gone online yet, or a townie with multiple shots who doesn´t feel like claiming. Why claim to save scummy Palmar when town is on its way to lynch him allready? That just draws attention to a blue. Not likely but possible. Or maybe Palmar shot his scumbuddy after Grack got tired of the game. Scum Palmar makes more sense with the play during D1, Palmar chainsaw defending Oats without even reading Oats filter, and later claiming he was on the Oats lynch. It´s a huge mess, Palmar really isn´t helping and I´m not going to leave him be. Really How does it make more sense that Palmar is mafia? Then where on earth did the Grackaroni shot come from? If that´s not enough, then lynch him for lying, Palmar has lied to town repeatedly with his weird claims, and there is no clear reason why a townie would do this. If he really is a Vigi, then claim that during the night, or keep quiet and keep the blue role safe. Or what, Palmar is a player who likes to mess up for his own team, so we should ignore everything he does and hope he´s green? Or Palmar got a bad start of the game and lost interest, deciding that shooting his scumbuddy might be fun. His play today looks like he´s throwing the game. | ||
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On December 16 2017 08:25 prplhz wrote: Come one LightningStrike, how many times have you read Palmar and thought "What on earth is this man even DOING?" only for him to be town? 9 out of 10 times? So if a player is impossible to read we leave him be? Even when he´s been caught defending scum, messing up discussion and derailing the whole D2? I don´t see Vigi-Palmar, I see a desperate scum that is trying anything that might work. I can´t explain the Grack shot, but that doesn´t make Palmar a confirmed Vigi. | ||
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On December 16 2017 08:50 prplhz wrote: Eh this mafia Palmar hiding behind SK idea is just too messed up and it's the most plausible explanation of Palmar being scum. If Palmar is taking credit for a SK shot then the SK will leave him to Town while shooting townies in the night. An SK isn´t going to kill Palmar for us. The only problem with this is why Grack? Vigis prefer to kill lurkers while SKs kill whoever is pushing them or is most likely to find them. SKs are fighting for survival, not eliminating scummy players. SKs hunt scum by day to fit in and look townie, but by night it´s all about looking out for themselves. | ||
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On December 16 2017 09:18 Kmatt wrote: That fits much better. SK Palmar killed Scum Grack, everyone else were fine with Palmar doing whatever. Not sure why Palmar was doing his weird claims though, he could have claimed Vigi instead and hoped that town would buy it a day or two, until too many nightkills made him a target again. Grack was one of the only people to publicly scumread Palmar at the time. Both he and Oats were on him since early on in the game. It wasn't until just before Oats went down that anyone else considered him seriously. | ||
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On December 16 2017 09:54 Holyflare wrote: Stop using Palmar to gain town credit, you´ve been doing it a lot during D2You are going to flip mafia and that clears me as not being SK. It does clear my alignment. On December 16 2017 09:52 Palmar wrote: I like this post, looks actually pro Town. It´s much more helpful than Palmars other posts. Something to follow D3 but doesn´t change my vote for D2Regarding things to look at: 1) Holyflare is the only other player in the game that is theoretically capable of what prplhz has done. The fact he's ignoring it doesn't automatically make him mafia as he can be incredibly stubborn. However it should push him right to the top of any list of potential mafia. Also he's trying to push the narrative that the clear track last night does in any way relate to his alignment. It DOES NOT. 2) Forumite may have misjudged the willingness to lynch Oats. Don't overcommit to a townread on him just because he started the wagon on Oats. 3) listen to prplhz, he's town and he's smarter than all of you. 4) Force VE to keep playing, he's good and can cheerlead for prplhz. Also he's needed to get Chez to work. 5) Conversion, Kmatt, Eversince, Forumite. There are at least 3 townies among you. You HAVE to stand out, you have to do the work, keep questioning shit and don't allow the vets to run the game into the ground. Pick a player, read his filter, reach an independent conclusion. DO WORK. Don't allow the game to become a series of "default" lynches. Question everything. | ||
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On December 16 2017 15:13 prplhz wrote:yes, forumite threw a random vote a oats at some point when the two biggest wagon were himself and conversion. whoop-dee-doo, i barely remembered he did this because it was so unnotablle. ##Vote FOrumite see you tomorrow all youlovelly people Please don't lie prplhz. Conversion was getting voted, I talked to the ones pushing him and provided another lynch target as alternative. I could have provided anyone else, If I was scum then why out a scumbuddy? Also I was not a lynch target D1, Palmar tried to make a case when I was the face of the oats-lynch. Yes, some people said I made weird posts, but it never got up speed, just what I expect from my old meta which is why I rarely addressed it except a few times to Palmar/LS. This theory doesn't fit the reality, you want to make a theory about me bussing a scumbuddy when I could just have jumped on the Conversion lynch, there were better things to do D1 as the last scum. Accusing me of being SK might work better, but then suddenly voting Oats isn't suspicious as SKs have as much info as Town and scumhunt almost the same way. The theory has to account for oddities. The only weird thing about the Palmar-scum theory is why Grack died, which I've tried to adress multiple times. The theory of Palmar-SK explains that perfectly (Grack was scummy, but also accused Palmar, and he's been OMGUSing as crazy this game as defence this game). Palmar as SK had motivation to kill Grack, also explains his weird claims of anything until something finally sticks. He's trying to stay alive by making claims until he finds a possible one, which is SK and Scum-motivation. Oats and Grack talking about Palmar D1 isn't distancing from a scumbuddy, it's hinting on their preferred D1 target. I can accept a lot of weird things from Palmar, expect too, and I was leaning "wait and see" when he claimed the useless 3-check DT, but this is too much. He spent most of D2 making every discussion about him, finding a way to get town-credit and stall the lynch, and when it doesn't look like he can, he totally changes his style and posts some good posts to look town. It was a defence, and I'll reread them if the game goes to D3 because they looked like sound advice, but Palmar is a good enough player that he could make those as any alignment, a few posts means nothing. | ||
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On December 16 2017 18:34 Koshi wrote: Explain plz. Yeah palmar is not mafia. Thete is a big chance. I would really prefer if Palmar did his defending himself, he hasn't provided us with a good alternative lynch. Koshi and prplhz trying to find someone else to lynch says nothing about Palmars alignment. | ||
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On December 16 2017 20:09 Palmar wrote: There are something like 10 townies alive in this game. 1 of those townies is being wagoned, and according to forumite-logic should be in charge of defending himself (see above). Additionally, that same 1 player should be town's primary scumhunter. In fact, if you were being logical at all, it's the rest of yall that should be scumhunting, because none of you is occupied with defense at the time. It's not my job to find mafia. It's my job to not get lynched here. If I find mafia in the process that's good but I only have so much time and energy. No, even a townie up for the lynch should hunt scum, either to help the next day or provide a secondary lynch that we might consider. 7 people think you are scum, we're fine with waiting for the lynch after what you did with claiming during N1 and D2. And you go back to your old OMGUS-case, accusing me because I voted for you early D1. Wow, such scumhunting. | ||
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On December 16 2017 20:47 Koshi wrote: Do it yourself, you and prplhz are the ones who wants another lynch. I'm happy with lynching Palmar today. Even if I wanted to, I don't have that much time to reread the thread. I had more time yesterday, but that day was all about Palmar, of course. I'll scumhunt tomorrow, if there is a tomorrow. Please find another lynch. Even in your world there is more anti town than Palmar. Look for that person pls. | ||
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On December 15 2017 09:34 Kmatt wrote: Oh yeah, I forgot; with our Vig taking his shot last night I can do this! On the second day of Christmas, Damdred gave to me... Two night kills, And surprise murder mystery! On the second day of Christmas, Damdred gave to me... Three Fake Claims, Two night kills, And surprise murder mystery! | ||
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On December 17 2017 03:19 Arya321 wrote: This is actually a good question. I also honestly starting to get a bad feeling about this lynch it to silent and to straight forward of a lynch. @Everyone: If we don't lynch Palmar today who should we lynch instead? Silent and straight forward is a bad reason to mistrust this lynch. Remember 2 scum are dead, who is going to protect him if he's mafia? Also prplhz and koshi have been on Palmars side today, so it's not unanimous, nor silent | ||
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On December 17 2017 04:39 Arya321 wrote: It went silent really quickly as in very little talking about future lynches if this one fails and were on auto pilot. Most of the time these type of lynches indicate town lynches over mafia lynches from what I remember when I used to play all the time. That's because scum try to save their buddies. Almost all scum are dead now... I do agree that we should scumhunt again soon, but I'll leave that for later. I blame Palmar for that, making D2 all about him | ||
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Been rereading some. So far I've checked a player that everyone thinks is town, and I'm fairly certain he is. Progress I prefer to not give my reads during the night, should have more D3. See you later | ||
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Not sure what this means for doctors. We probably don´t have one. VE, a question. I´d like to get your read on Arya based on a few observations. He was on the Oats lynch fairly early, which is good, but since I´ve seen an odd thing with his posts. He has barely been under any pressure the whole game, but talks a lot about things making him look townie. Once when being on Oats was supposed to make him townie, and how Palmar messing things up also made him townie. I think this is odd because there was never any real pressure on Arya, so why is he nervous and feels he has to point out how X or Y is a point in his favor? Almost everyone has had Arya on their Town-list from the start so there shouldn´t be any pressure on Arya to defend himself, only to find Mafia. Do you have an idea from meta? Did Ever ever claim the result from N1? | ||
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On December 18 2017 13:56 Arya321 wrote: Man you guys are disappointing me with only Conversion was talking to me -.- Please talk or something people as the longer we stay quiet the easier it is for the last mafia to hide into the shadows. It was in the middle of the night, chill If this was yesterday I would say my lynchlist is Chez, kmatt and HF, today it´s probably still Chez and kmatt but I´m considering Arya too and MAYBE prplhz. Arya for what I mentioned before, lots of focus on defence while not being under pressure. Prplhz is trickier, I´ve mislynched him enough to be very carefull about my reads and it could be OMGUS for yesterday defending Palmar and attacking me, but I can´t be sure that scum hide among the scummiest players. I need to do some rereading. After the bloody D1 and N1 turning up so many scum, D1 is the day that we should get the most info from, but the two scum were quite quiet and I don´t can´t see any connection to another player there. That´s why Arya rang a bell, it was so odd to see defence from one of the towniest players on everyones townlist. 3 Scum, one of them could have gone on the Oats lynch. | ||
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On December 18 2017 20:55 Arya321 wrote: Just woke up: Fair enough care to explain? I wasn't in defense mode I just was trying to make sure we didn't waste the night phase away which we did do -.- But fair enough. I know asked for my meta but I will bring in some games for you I was going to do it yesterday until I accidently deleted the post because I had so many tabs opening and closing T_T Thanks for the meta list but I was wondering about the read VE has on you. 10 games, wow. But since you answered, not wanting to waste the night phase is not a defence. Posting about yourself only help if you are under attack and need to derail a town lynch,a usefull use of the night would be either rereading filters quietly or discussing scum. Maybe blues. You insisting on being confirmed town makes no sense | ||
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On December 19 2017 00:22 Koshi wrote: Can people just vote? I would like to see where we stand. And if you dont know who to vote. Go for Chez. I'll join this one. Chez has been hard to read since the start, and koshi has looked town since very early. I like how scum have killed of several of my scumreads, that's why I don't give reads during the night. ##Vote Chezinu | ||
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On December 19 2017 09:49 prplhz wrote: but isn't it super useful for town than scum shoots somebody instead of you pushing their mislynch? Yes, it is. If I would have given my reads then maybe one of the townier players would have died, and I'd be voting HF today. Also, prplhz, you are tunneling on me, if you are voting me then at least explain why Oats was lynched D1. He was off the radar before I got involved with the Conversion case. And if you still want to lynch me then do it quickly so I don't have to be around at LYLO. | ||
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On December 19 2017 18:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi VE, Koshi you are not qualified in this game so far to make that judgement. You think Chez is town but would like a Conversion lynch today, correct? Any particular reason, for either? I've considered Conversion Town from the start, but that could have been because of how D1 played out. | ||
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Conversion was the alternative to Oats, and everyone was surprised scum "allowed" us to lynch one of them without a fight. GM put my chez-vote on koshi, wat? ##Unvote ##Vote Conversion | ||
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On December 20 2017 00:46 Conversion wrote: so let me get this straight: your logic is that I’m going to sacrifice a dude that carried me as mafia instead of shitting up the thread and trying to get myself lynched in the hopes that y’all are dumb enough to lose to me as mafia? I’m not mad, but what? Explain, what are you talking about? | ||
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On December 14 2017 02:04 Grackaroni wrote: WIFOM, but funnyOk I did a quick reread of Conversion's scum play in the last newbie. I think the difference between his play in that game and in this game is really night and day. Do a quick read for yourself. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Conversion In that game his reads are a lot more indecisive. He gives a list of wishy washy reads and whenever he gives a read on somebody that isn't a town read he adds a qualifier for why his read may be wrong. In this game he calls out things that he doesn't like about DF, Forumite's and Arya's play right off the bat without reservation. I think the chances of Conversion being scum are really quite low. | ||
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On December 20 2017 01:40 Conversion wrote: all my arguments are just gonna sound like WIFOM and what ifs so eh. question still stands to VE: who else do you want to lynch not me or Chez? and to Forumite: explain your progression in why I’m scum past “I was the only other viable wagon vs Oats” Basically the only time scum are lynched D1 is when both with the most votes are scum. They could have saved Oats by lynching you. Also I'm sheeping people I believe are Town while rereading you | ||
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On December 20 2017 02:25 Conversion wrote: I don’t buy Forumite just all of a sudden scumreading me all of a sudden. and me shooting DF implicating me as scum is just not a good argument (no idea if it’s WIFOM) because I would have shot Koshi for sure. he was the first to scum read me and most likely the only one who wouldn’t have wavered. HF was AFK and df tends to flip around reading me often Who dies is not that usefull to find scum, at least if scum think about it. I've had you as Town/Null from the start partly because the first case on you was weak. I could be wrong, I'd rather lynch Chez but apparently that's not happening, and other Townies are voting you. I'd rather consolidate and get Koshi on board too | ||
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On December 20 2017 02:31 Conversion wrote: 3 hours until deadline. if I die I will flip town. if Koshi doesn’t die take a good hard look at him imo. and forumite. defended me and directed to a good town wagon onto Oats and all of a sudden I’m scum for something he believed in very strongly in D1 (I’m town, Oats is scum) I hate these posts, don't tell us to lynch Koshi if he isn't nightkilled, if people agree that just means that scum can shoot someone else and watch the ensuing mislynch on Koshi. | ||
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On December 20 2017 02:38 Conversion wrote: if you’d rather lynch Chez you realize you’re the swing vote? How so? 4 on you currently, I would have to switch and 4 undecided vote Chez for that to happen | ||
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On December 20 2017 02:40 Conversion wrote: Kill a blue and a good player? HF is supposed to be good, I didn't see it this game but I guess the last scum has played against him a lot. ? why the fuck wouldn’t mafia shoot Koshi N3. he’s the only one putting out lists, pressuring people. rest of you are just putting out dumb reasons to lynch me and sheeping others. that’s mafia haven right there | ||
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On December 20 2017 02:43 Conversion wrote: 3-3 on Chez with chez being lynched since he glt 3 first. this doesn’t fit your narrative of “I’d rather lynch chez” Check the voting thread, only Koshi and I voted Chez. You have 4 votes out of 8 now | ||
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On December 20 2017 02:45 Conversion wrote: Okay, so Koshi living says nothing about you would have killed HF and Ever N2 as wellhf was shot over koshi* | ||
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On December 20 2017 02:46 Conversion wrote: I’m right below you buddy. how’d you miss that I see it, 4 on you, 2 on Chez. Vote count is whacked. | ||
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On December 20 2017 06:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Cant now. Will later. Forumite probably next. Is tomorrow LYLO or not? Assuming one nightkill, will there be a lynch after me? I don't really care if there is, I got scum D1, if that's not enough to be considered Town then lynch away, as long as it's not the last lynch. | ||
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OK, so two chances left then, one if VE wants to kill me tomorrow. Conversion, who are you aiming for? | ||
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On December 20 2017 07:52 Conversion wrote: my original big post leads down to Koshi only, but I think he'll die this night so that leaves Forumite/Viscera/Kmatt/Prphlz/LS LS is the only one that I'm maybe confident in trying to read town to get this game easier, and I think I'll leave you out because leading a bus on your roleblocker is beyond stupid play. I'll revisit and reconsider that if I live until MYLO/LYLO so that leads in to VE/Kmatt/Prphlz I liked Kmatt's early filter but his later ones are really lacklustre. doesn't do squat. Prphlz is iffy because he hipster called out Palmar being town. VE I have no idea. just AFK'd and called me scum and didn't help me follow up on where his mind is. I need more time with these guys being more active tbh because I think our best shot at mafia is here. Your short list has Kmatt, the last low-volume poster left and my only real scumread. prplhz maybe, but I think I´m just miffed that he pushed me. Arya Town, VE not sure (haven´t reread him lately). Koshi Town, Conversion probably Town, defended you enough (barring a while today) that I´m more or less committed, so might as well leave it at that. So Kmatt. Die scum die! | ||
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On December 20 2017 03:30 Koshi wrote: Okay, I guess thanks for the vote of confidence, I just don't understand the logic. I often get into a fight with someone that I think is scum, and get out of it leaning more town on them. I know I get a more townier read on someone if they manage a round of questioning, but I don't remember any situation where the one I was talking too was scum so it's hard to draw a conclusion from it. Maybe scum generally avoid that situation. WIFOMI think conversion and forumite are town now. I'm bored, where is everyone? On rereading kmatt, still scummy | ||
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On December 21 2017 01:08 Conversion wrote: this is the biggest dejavu ever. ritoky mentioned that if you're bussing your teammate you should shoot off wagon mechanically as scum in our game, but they ended up shooting DF. if mafia is bussing, same thing happened here. poor DF Lol this + The HF kill makes me believe that a vet can't be mafia, but that's probably a bad argument Shooting on wagon, so scum kill the non-scum who lynched their scumbuddy, leaving only scum who look town left? It doesn't look like that this game, but they moight not try/know that tactic | ||
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On December 21 2017 03:21 Kmatt wrote: I've been suddenly busy with Xmas stuff so I haven't been on much to post. I try to keep up with reading but ultimately not much to say. Real talk though if I was scum I'd likely be more active simply because I can tunnel vision any mislynch I want. Scum keeping quiet when Oats went under was definitely the right call. Why would you risk it? We´ve been mislynching well on our own and you´ve stayed under the radar. | ||
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