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On September 17 2017 05:28 Damdred wrote: ill look up some smaller people setups and get the game started monday if we arent open. HYPE? Kind of disappointing we can't get signups anymore. | ||
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Would you be interested in forming an alliance? I have very big plans with the lord of the brown, but we are in short supply of fecal matter. | ||
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I don't really care about the role plan though. | ||
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On September 29 2017 12:21 Damerion wrote: I am unsure why you have me as mafia Oatsmaster, could you expound on why you think that? Vivax why is directing blues in that way not pro-town? We would gain a good bit of information by controlling multiple lynches or kp, and have confirmed town for multiple days leading the town towards a strong circle. Why Grackanori would my reaction only come from a new lerson point od view? Why could I not be scum doing it? I am most concerned with the amount of certainty you are making decisions this early. That's kind of hard for me to explain. You take my post very literally. "Why does Grackaroni want to team up with Fecalfeast? If he is town he wouldn't even know Fecalfeast's alignment. But if he is scum then perhaps he thinks an alliance would benefit him. But then Grackaroni might be less likely to be scum with Fecalfeast." From my experience it just seems like a thought process that I'm used to seeing from town players unfamiliar with the more trolly nature of this forum. | ||
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On September 30 2017 03:38 Holyflare wrote: Bad filters. You need to make them open on the site the user is on. Also offended Damdred's friend has said nothing about me. Maybe you're a bore. | ||
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On September 30 2017 07:40 Holyflare wrote: I wanna lynch koshi because he said i look towny. He's also called rels mafia for being lackluster when that's just rels...? I kind of like this tbh. | ||
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On September 30 2017 08:27 Vivax wrote: Grack how's the weather at the sidelines Chilly | ||
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On October 01 2017 00:46 Vivax wrote: Tbh Grack is probably mafia. Damerion is probably town just for starting out the game calling Gracks post trash and I don't see mafia being among the first to start throwing accusations, so I'm re-townreading him. This post I really don't like cause I can't remember the last time Grack saw someone unfamiliar with the more trolly nature on this forum. Bolded sounds made up. Post feels overexplained. Probably also a stretch to TR him for it cause Damerion pointed out something others most likely saw as what it was: early game nonsense. What'd your reaction be to someone taking one of your early bs posts and calling you scum for it? You'd laugh at it and brand him sloppy or dumb or whatever. Or maybe you're more considerate and tell him simply you weren't serious. Feels kind of off to just stamp a townread on him and be done with it. Would like to see more from Grack anyway cause this is literally the only post I can put some weight into. Wow I don't care for this at all. Are you seriously making the argument that my logic is made up because I've never played with new players before? And then you accuse me of over explaining my read after I was explicitly asked to explain it. Also, I said his post looked townie. You think the same post was townie in the start of this post. But for some reason you expect me not to see that his post was townie and instead just to laugh at him and act like a dick. 3 reasons to scum read me and I really dislike all of them. | ||
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On October 01 2017 02:12 Rels wrote: I'm out and there is a chance I'm not home before deadline so just in case ##Vote Rels uh I think you're the vote leader right now. | ||
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On October 01 2017 02:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok so do we lynch Rels here because he self-voted or do we think hes town because he self-voted. yeah ok after rereading, I get the feeling that this self-vote is more so that he doesnt accidentaly kill another townie person because he randomly voted. So hes town. LETS LYNCH KOSHI!??!?! Rels self votes when he doesn't have time to read the game. | ||
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Because he's trying to push a lynch on me for bad reasons? | ||
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I think that's probably the best lynch. | ||
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On October 01 2017 02:34 Oatsmaster wrote: thats literally the definition of omgus though. Kind of. I won't scum read somebody for pushing me if I believe their thought process. If their reasons for pushing me seem manufactured then of course I'll think they're scummy. | ||
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On October 01 2017 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote: obviously if you are town their reasons are manufactured. No that has nothing to do with what alignment I am. Reasons to scum read somebody are only made up by scum. | ||
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On October 01 2017 02:55 Oatsmaster wrote: i mean, if your scum partner is bussing you then he has legit reasons. Anyway, you are totally not getting what Im saying. If you are town, everyone who calls you scum is wrong and has bad reasons. So why does that make Vivax mafia???? cant he be town and wrong? Of course he could be town and wrong. But mafia has to make up reasons to scum read somebody and his narrative about my post seems downright biased towards reading me as mafia rather than a fair interpretation of what I've written. Here's the really interesting thing about the game right now: There are lots of afks. The lynch is still completely up in the air. Scum almost certainly has at least one player who is in danger of being wagoned. Regardless of Rels' alignment they need to push suspicion on somebody non-Rels because Rels hasn't said anything. Then Vivax makes that post. Fuck yeah I'm suspicious. | ||
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Because otherwise they risk a wagon forming on one of them. Unless scum is just entirely afk. | ||
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On October 01 2017 03:14 Oatsmaster wrote: So everyone who proposed a lynch other than Rels is mafia? Because thats what you are saying. That's not what I'm saying. But there is more pressure for scum to come up with reasons to suspect somebody because they have an added survival instinct and I didn't like Vivax's reasons for pushing me. | ||
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I think they're both fine lynches. It's very hard to make the right lynch when there is so little happening in thread to base it off of. The only read I'm very sure about right now is that you are town because I know you aren't able to pull off this kind of aggressive/stubborn play as scum. I also like Rayn because he's reading the game the same way as I am but he could definitely fool me. | ||
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Also Chez what are you thinking right now? | ||
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I'm killing Vivax. | ||
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On October 01 2017 06:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Well that was totally unexpected....... Then you should have voted Vivax. | ||
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On October 02 2017 03:16 Koshi wrote: HF is so very probably town. Looks bad for rayn. Question is. Why would mafia rayn put himself in such a shitty situation where both Koshi and HF are town and he is left with Breshke. What even is this? Why is HF very probably town and what are you saying about Breshke? Feels very scummy. | ||
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On October 02 2017 07:17 Koshi wrote: Well rayn calls only vivax/hf/koshi and breshke mafia. Koshi calls vivax, hf town. rayn is left with only Breshke if the townvets step up and find each other. Which was not a bad read to be left with apparently but still. So basically your thought process is that Rayn will base his play entirely on how you are reading people. That actually seems very believable from TL mafia's #1 player. | ||
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On October 02 2017 07:48 Koshi wrote: No. My point is I don't see mafia rayn putting himself in a situation on D2 in which he can only lynch Breshke because the town vets are obvious townies. Cuz Vivax and HF are obvious townies. And now that Breshke flipped that seems an extra bad play from him. Unless he was going balls to the walls with his Vivax/HF/Koshi scumteam though. Vivax can be an obvious townie but HF is almost never an obvious townie since his scum play is so good. You're like in the middle of those two. | ||
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On October 02 2017 08:00 Damerion wrote: I am unsure why my points get ignored about Grackanori, but I think he should be the lynch today if only for discussion and forcing people to take stances. A Breshke/Grackanori team makes some semblance of sense with the way Breshke interacted with my early reads and attempted to discredit them. Also I was thinking earlier about the early post by Grackanori and trying to forge an alliance with FecalFeast. It almost seems like a post you would make towards a partner setting them up for an entrance and a reason to townread them. I am not so sure about that but I am torn between the third scum being Raypelikeet, FecalFeast or Vivax (The way he ended on his vote after Grackanori read felt distancing a bit). But I still believe Grackanori is the best lynch, and you shoukd sheep confirmed town. Quick comment on HF's post. On October 02 2017 08:06 Holyflare wrote: Why did we ever shoot this guy. He just gives us free town reads. Mafia is onegu/rayn. The real question is why did rayn make his vivax case talking about breshke but never mentioned onegu once? Who knows ![]() He seems like he may be another one of my scum buddies. | ||
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On October 02 2017 08:27 Koshi wrote: I'll agree that Grack is mafia or is bamboozled by mafia and is helping them push their agenda though. Either Rayn is a really good townie or a pretty shitty mafia. I reread Rayn's filter and to me his play makes sense. For one thing he pointed out that Breshke was likely scum before he wrote about it in his Vivax case. But also his read is not nearly as TMI as it seems. His observation about Breshke claiming to be excited and then not playing was actually good rather than him just magically singling out a mafia lurker as being scummy. Vivax being mafia makes a lot more sense. The way that he backed off of his read on me saying that I may just be a butthurt townie rather than mafia is not at all consistent with his town play. It seemed like appeasement rather than him actually being interested in my alignment. And his points against me were never good to begin with so that's not an argument he wants to have as scum after he almost got lynched yesterday. Actually I'm very interested in what you see in Vivax because I can usually see when Vivax is very townie and he just isn't this game. | ||
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I'll figure out what's going on tomorrow. I think you're right that there's a good chance I would have scum read you if you had doubled down on your read on me. The issue is that I didn't like your read in the first place and then your play didn't match what I'm used to seeing from you. If you had doubled down and kept questioning/pushing me then I might still scum read you but I would also still consider whether you were just town and wrong if I saw some townie fire. By first making that push against me and then backing off to push Rayn/Chezinu it was like there was already one strike against you and then you added another one. Regardless, in your last 2 posts I think you're approaching the game much more sanely. Even your point about me putting you in a place where you couldn't possibly be town read being a possible scum strategy is fair. | ||
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On October 03 2017 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know one reason. ![]() I mean aside from our vigilante i am the one player who wanted to kill mafia and in Holyflare's mind that makes me mafia. Reasonable? You decide. His argument is that you weren't trying to kill mafia and were instead trying to kill Vivax for not scum reading mafia. | ||
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I don't really care either way. It's impossible for me to tell whether Boxerfred is a better lynch than Kermit if they both make one post per day phase and stay in the game. | ||
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On October 03 2017 05:55 Damerion wrote: If we fail to lynch Grackaroni or at least fail to listen to my reasons. We should pressure FecalFeast with votes and possibly a wagon of his own. People actually are listening to your reasons. They've just played with me before and the post from the start of the game that you find very scummy is a post that they know I could make as scum or town. | ||
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On October 03 2017 05:48 Koshi wrote: .Grack can you tell me why you are town based on events this game? That's kind of tough because I think I've been making a lot of good points and reads but my scum play actually is pretty good. The one thing I'd say is that if I was scum I think I would have put more pressure on Damerion because I don't think many people will understand his mindset and he's an automatic vote against me every phase. I think I'm more used to watching obvious townies tunnel me than any other player on this site including Ruxxar to an extreme the last game I played. | ||
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Also good claim by Onegu. Watcher is worthless right now and that narrows things down. | ||
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On October 04 2017 04:07 Koshi wrote: Yes. I am constantly drawing attention to my teammates. Why would I be mafia with one of those and not those 2 together? Holy fuck if you can answer that question I would be impressed. That's exactly why. You keep attacking HF for not making any good points against those 2 and me when you haven't said anything worthwhile for why they should be suspicious. It reads a lot like distancing to me. | ||
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On October 04 2017 04:26 Koshi wrote: I am asking to lynch HF and this fucking Grack is like "Please lynch me. You are mafia" No. I said that you & FF/Chez seemed like a potential team and you spazzed the fuck out digging through my filter to try to tie me to HF. | ||
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On October 04 2017 04:28 Koshi wrote: Even in this instance both HF and Grack are not communicating with each other and instead just focussing on attacking me and mindgaming me. So fucking weird. Especially they both scumread me? Maybe HF not. Well he shouldn't. WHy would I be talking to HF right now? you're spamming the thread about me being on a team with him and now is the time we're supposed to have a chat? What the fuck. | ||
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lol I thought for sure you would have shot me if you were the vigi. Well played. | ||
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On October 04 2017 04:57 Koshi wrote: good try buddying him but I think that ship has sailed ![]() God you're annoying. | ||
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On October 04 2017 05:16 Vivax wrote: I'm really awaiting that input from Onegu. Don't think FF should be the lynch here. There's not going to be any input from Onegu | ||
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On October 05 2017 08:26 Chezinu wrote: oh noes! I missed this post cause life! What are the plans?!?! I WASNT FOLLOWING PLANS!!! YOU MISSED THE PLANS AND NOW WE'RE OUT OF POO. SAVE YOURSELF CHEZINU!!! | ||
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On December 29 2016 15:54 Chezinu wrote: That was a reference to my cultic fan-base that follows me. The Origins: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/105463-mini-mafia-2?page=14#269 (There is also around the time where I supposedly "invented" the vote hopping method) The References: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/110026-mini-mafia-iii?page=12#227 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/240842-merc-mini-2?page=14#273 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/349678-bureaucracy-mafia?page=60#1188 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/359836-normal-mini-mafia-iii?page=35#685 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/418049-nuclear-winter-mafia?page=175#3485 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=56#1108 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474082-imperial-mafia?page=420#8381 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486819-i-still-cant-believe-its-not-themed-mafia?page=22#432 You have to keep your fans happy! HELLO OBS!!!! Say hey to Koshi for me! I SO SORRY!!! I WAAS SCARED!!! | ||
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I don't see how I'm ever the lynch here but I'm probably not going to do much else this game anyway. | ||
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On October 07 2017 02:16 Damerion wrote: To be frank, if Grackaroni would do things I might reconsider my position today. But his inability or refusal to do things makes me think we caught him for somewhat bad reasoning. And I think I have tubneled on him pretty mercilessly this game, which I sort of regret at this point. But I am reasonably sure he will flip scum today. lol you said that yesterday when I was lynching mafia and then it was right back to Grackanori the next day. Plus this is pretty much the case that I am up against: On October 04 2017 04:13 Koshi wrote: HF is most likely mafia for his rayn push concerning Breshke and Vivax. I am guessing when rayn made that case on Vivax, HF saw how he could use it to his advantage when Breshke flipped. Grack is mafia cuz he sucks major ass and is mafia. | ||
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On October 03 2017 19:29 Koshi wrote: As a veteran and good and active town player you should calculate in a margin of error and look further. Grack, fefe, Chez. People with posts but you say so little smart things avout them. It's painful. On October 03 2017 19:33 Koshi wrote: You focus way too hard on rayn who looks very town. You focus almost nothing on pressuring bad players with low activity to help town solve this game. Same with Vivax D1. You voted for him and almost killed an active player. For who? Rels afk who didnt pkay the game. And pro town thing was to kill a lurker anyway. We all didnt do much. But you did the least. Yet you want to kill people who are more townie and made posts. It's bad. And super good for mafia. I originally didn't like these above posts because Koshi said so little worthwhile about me/Chez/FF but he was using that as further reasoning to lynch HF besides just disagreeing with his Rayn case. Koshi calls out FF when there isn't much pressure on him, but then when 3 people vote FF he changes his read. On October 04 2017 03:22 Koshi wrote: I am fine with lynching boxer tomorrow. Or w.e. Grack / fefe doing nothing is bad and we failed hard with the pressure. On October 04 2017 03:23 Koshi wrote: Especially fefe has literally nothing going on for him while he was active enough. On October 04 2017 03:51 Damerion wrote: ##vote FecalFeast On October 04 2017 04:01 Holyflare wrote: ##unvote ##vote fecalfeast On October 04 2017 04:23 Grackaroni wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Fecalfeast On October 04 2017 04:41 Koshi wrote: ohyeah fefe is probably town for that reason Vivax gave. So it literally is HF/Grack with BF benched and Chez being Chez. This looks pretty scummy since he is in favor of lynching every other lurker over HF around the same time. On October 04 2017 03:21 Koshi wrote: ##Unvote ##vote: Onegu w.e I sheep HF cuz if Onegu is mafia it makes the game so much easier. On October 04 2017 04:40 Koshi wrote: Go vote bf. We are either all town. Or you are mafia. On October 04 2017 04:58 Koshi wrote: rayn now that Chez is not vigi. Can we kill him? He will be the least fun mafia to play with tomorrow. Also as far as I can tell his entire read on me was based on HF's interactions with me looking weird, which is just shitty. | ||
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On October 07 2017 04:56 Holyflare wrote: grack why did you make all that post and then vote chezinu? Because it looked like it was between me and Chezinu. | ||
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Vivax didn't vote for Fecalfeast but he made this post against killing HF, which just doesn't seem like the read that I would expect mafia to make about the lynch alternative to their own teammate. On October 04 2017 05:13 Vivax wrote: I'm kind of ignoring HF out of consideration. Dunno what's up with him but he seems like a different person. Also there's the occasional thing in his posts that makes me laugh. I'd be willing to discuss him further tomorrow. I don't see mafia Vivax committing to not killing HF based off nothing but him having a couple of funny posts and then not even town reading HF. HF being mafia is of course possible but I don't see anything off about his play this game. If he is scum he's played very well and I'm not leaving SL alive just out of respect for HF's scum game. | ||
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On October 12 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote: What stopped me from just lynching sl and winning the game then? Nothing for me to be gained by pushing you except when um town. From how this mylo is being played I still think grack could ve mafia simply cause he's doing exactly that: parking his vote on the last lynch and peacing out while he doesnt have to do anything without pressure. What should my pressure be except me trying to find the correct lynch? I don't think what you're doing at the moment would be all that hard to fake as mafia. You basically just said, "SL, convince me of your arguments" and then gave yourself the hammer between SL and HF on the advice of SL. There's nothing stopping you from just lynching SL whenever you'd like and SL openly pledged his vote to you for listening to you. | ||
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I think HF being the second vote on Fecalfeast when he could have doubled down on Rayn or switched to Koshi or pushed another lurker is way more indicative of HF being town than anything else we have to work with. HF being scum for making a masterful blue snipe on Oatsmaster and then bragging about it is the counter argument that's being made, which is pretty ridiculous imo. | ||
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On October 13 2017 01:49 Holyflare wrote: Just vote no lynch grack. Either the town of the two steps up or we lose anyway. I already did. | ||
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On October 13 2017 06:42 sicklucker wrote: Didnt me and vivax own holyflare in that old christmas game? this is good times good times. Hum is grack really confirmed town tho? He could just be a pussy whos confident in final 3 which he should be. ill have to look into it I am nothing if not a confident pussy. | ||
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I also just don't understand how your Chezinu argument makes HF scummy. Is it that he had backup scum reads beyond Chezinu or that he wanted Chezinu first? You were also just saying that you weren't scum because as scum you would leave Chezinu for later instead of Koshi. So I don't see how your HF argument is consistent if getting rid of Chezinu early is a good thing. | ||
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I am a strong willed slightly tipsy Grackaroni. | ||
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On October 15 2017 20:24 sicklucker wrote: ITs w/e game was over yesterday. grack choose not to hammer holyflare for some reason. lol it was the confident pussy theory. I should have switched around 5 minutes before but I didn't want to lose to you coming back in the last minute or me switching right after Vivax. | ||
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On October 07 2017 05:15 Damerion wrote: After today I will be dead 9/10 times. I am pretty sure it is just Grackanori, if I am not followed and i die and we lose it will be one of the worst losses of my mafia life. Muahahahaha. | ||
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