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CopCake
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geript
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On August 17 2017 12:02 CopCake wrote: FF had so little pages, I checked them when he got nominated, everything looking straight forward and progression was lineal, the whole "I am at work" is believable because I was also working at that time and we both had american time zones. Is something not so hard to understand. How does Fecalfeast having "so little pages" have anything to do with this. Look at the quotes. Here... I'll link them: TW not remembering FF's posts but thinking he was town TW finishing both FF's and Hopeless' filters TW posting a shitty reads post that includes secret hearthrob Copcake at the top that he made a huge amazing shitty townread on unlike anything else he's posted in the game but is obviously in no way whatsoever is connected to [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=71#1413]The mods telling use to shut our traps for end of day[/url It's not at all at the start of day; in fact it's right at the end of it. He magically forgets his reasons for FF but in 3 minutes can read 12 pages of filter and call hopeless scum. You're even fucking defending this shit and you're "so obviously not connected to him." | ||
CopCake
4378 Posts
On August 17 2017 12:13 geript wrote: How does Fecalfeast having "so little pages" have anything to do with this. Look at the quotes. Here... I'll link them: TW not remembering FF's posts but thinking he was town TW finishing both FF's and Hopeless' filters TW posting a shitty reads post that includes secret hearthrob Copcake at the top that he made a huge amazing shitty townread on unlike anything else he's posted in the game but is obviously in no way whatsoever is connected to The mods telling use to shut our traps for end of day[/url It's not at all at the start of day; in fact it's right at the end of it. He magically forgets his reasons for FF but in 3 minutes can read 12 pages of filter and call hopeless scum. You're even fucking defending this shit and you're "so obviously not connected to him." I am defending myself, not him. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
On August 17 2017 12:11 CopCake wrote: Oh yeah I also over reacted with cakexrayn being scum together by conversion, OBVIOUSLY I only overreact to TW because we are super mafia buddies. Or maybe you overreact to Cake-Rayn because you feel bad for him because you know he has a shitty day at work and he's town and you want to give him a sporting chance. Here's a hint. This isn't about you Copcake. This is about flat out engaging the blatant discussion that TW is obvious fucking scum and trying to ignore it and shift it to something that's going to look like a shitty fight which people will ignore. But yes, please go on about how despite the obvious scum in front of us that he's really town. Please dear god continue. | ||
Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
And yet I dont see you asking for a gun....hmm | ||
CopCake
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From this post i can tell you he believes both are town but that Hopeless is more likely mafia than FF, i mean it also took ME a moment to see FF more townie than Hopeless. He got 3 minutes to decide between FF and Hopeless, ofc he would pick FF because he remembered he was a town read of his and FF's filters is shorter, I need to see if the "I like this post" of Hopeless was between the last 3 minutes because that would mean he only read FF's filter. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
Then go be town. Go make sense. I've literally proved why TW is scum. Go find who he's with. Go prove it. It's not like you're some terrible newbie. You know how to find scum right? | ||
Hopeless1der
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geript
10024 Posts
On August 17 2017 12:19 CopCake wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=70#1393 From this post i can tell you he believes both are town but that Hopeless is more likely mafia than FF, i mean it also took ME a moment to see FF more townie than Hopeless. He got 3 minutes to decide between FF and Hopeless, ofc he would pick FF because he remembered he was a town read of his and FF's filters is shorter, I need to see if the "I like this post" of Hopeless was between the last 3 minutes because that would mean he only read FF's filter. Bull shit read the fucking posts. On August 17 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote: i don't remember why i thought ff was town. but i think he is. so i'm gonna put my vote on 1der for now and speed read both their filters On August 17 2017 05:08 Tumblewood wrote: i like this post. i like ff's posts more but i like this post. there is probably not a right answer here This is clearly and obviously him representing that he's read both filters. Hell just opening reading FF's filter which was like 3 pages would take 3 minutes. You can't tell me he's not flat out lying about what he's doing and done. You can't flat out say that he thinks both are town when he fucking says 2/3rds of mafia are in a group of Hopeless +4. That's why he needs to be lynched. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
On August 17 2017 12:23 Hopeless1der wrote: When TW flips mafia I want copcake and damdred up for lynch right afterwards. I'm not sure on Damdred. He definitely can be scum, but he also can be town. | ||
Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On August 17 2017 12:24 geript wrote: I'm not sure on Damdred. He definitely can be scum, but he also can be town. Thats why I'm not going to shoot him when the judges give me my gun. I'm shooting TW. | ||
geript
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On August 17 2017 12:23 Hopeless1der wrote: When TW flips mafia I want copcake and damdred up for lynch right afterwards. To explain more, Damdred's think on Rels is pretty fucking good. On August 17 2017 08:17 Damdred wrote: I think the biggest thing about rels is, he has read the game somewhat (knows I'm being a bit lackluster) has time to snipe about it but doesn't help the game or drive it forward. And if he hasn't why is he scum reading me for tho ng s that might be or not be true? On August 17 2017 10:39 Damdred wrote: Well first to the vote Thing. Like if all three are town the switches do not make a real difference, maybe some of the awkward votes (tumble, rels etc.). If hopeless is scum I think they got pretty lucky dodging his lynch but the save of tw of him would be equally juicy. Like if this is the case it is a lot more interesting with how the vote swing really the last minute. But if hopeless is sick I think it becomes less likely that read is scum just because of him helping out hopeless near the top and fivi ng him the chance of being lynched. If Ryan is sick I think the game is stupid and things are worse than I thought. (Unlikely) Ritoky not voting is interesting, but I don't thinknthatbis alignment indicative atm. As for your pool I don't think ever should be in quite yet. But maybe soon depending on what she does. This stuff. More importantly, it's a lot closer to how Damdred thinks about the game as town. | ||
Jealous
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HF Claims he has the vig shot Possible Scenarios 1. HF is town and has the vig shot. T+V 2. HF is scum and has the vig shot. S+V 3. HF is town and doesn't have the vig shot. T-V 4. HF is scum and doesn't have the vig shot. S-V 1. T+V. Let's assume this as the baseline, as this is what I imagine the judges would hypothetically be going for. It would only make sense for T+V to claim in this scenario. The vig shot could almost never be used as a bargaining chip to appeal when up for lynch, because that would indicate that the judges had chosen someone to give it to then changed their minds about whether that person is townie or not and put them in the lynch pile. Wouldn't make sense. 2. S+V This is the worst-case scenario, the one that I overlooked in the previous analysis. If S+V claims, then that would just be a bad/dumb move. It would be much more effective to save it and use it if suspicion ever DID fall on them from the judges and they thought they were going to lose the lynch vote, or if the game gets to the point where the judges are no longer present. 3. T-V. This would mean that HF is intentionally misleading everyone in the game, EXCEPT the judges who already know that he doesn't have the V. This would only make sense if he was trying to put all the attention on himself, so that the judges could give the shot to someone else who would be under less scrutiny. This would also likely force scum to use a RB on him, as he currently has vest and with the shot in tow, it is a bad position for scum. However, I think that this is still not a very good play, as it would assume that the judges don't scumread him for the move, and it would assume that when the vig shot is actually given out there is likely to be a legitimacy argument which would be counter-productive. I don't think this possibility makes much sense. If the judges did scumread him for the move it would look like this: 4. S-V This would also mean that HF is intentionally misleading everyone in the game, EXCEPT the judges who already know that he doesn't have the V, and of course excluding his scummates. This wouldn't make much sense to do because then the judges could just indicate that it is false by not including HF in the "Top 3" vote in the next cycle, effectively showing that "we don't care if this guy gets a vest or not because he is lying." That will show to everyone to stop listening to HF, and then he will be in the lynch pile the next cycle. --- In short, I don't find any situation in which it makes sense for scum HF to claim; I also think that the move for town HF to claim without actually having it would be too much of a gamble. QED, HF is town and has the shot. It was pretty hard for me to explain myself throughout all of this. If you disagree with my conclusions, please share your counterarguments because I could easily have just confused myself while thinking of the possibilities and interactions. | ||
Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
Literally anyone. If necessary, I can start a poll of "Will you shoot TW if the judges give you a gun?" geript you on board with shooting TW? | ||
geript
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On August 17 2017 12:27 Hopeless1der wrote: p.s. give my my gun please so I can shoot TW. Or give it to geript. Or HF. Or anyone. Literally anyone. If necessary, I can start a poll of "Will you shoot TW if the judges give you a gun?" geript you on board with shooting TW? No, I don't think we get a gun before we get the next lynch. Plus, shot doesn't go off until end of phase. So if HF doesn't already have a gun and shoots him tonight, I don't think it would kill him prior to the next lynch. It'd be nice to be able to shoot him before the next lynch but I don't think it's possible. Like if HF has a gun and shoots him tonight it's cool. Make sense? | ||
Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On August 17 2017 12:27 Jealous wrote: Nevermind, paint got too complicated once I realized all of the contingencies and the limitations of TL's textbox. Let's look at it from the judge's perspective. HF Claims he has the vig shot Possible Scenarios 1. HF is town and has the vig shot. T+V 2. HF is scum and has the vig shot. S+V 3. HF is town and doesn't have the vig shot. T-V 4. HF is scum and doesn't have the vig shot. S-V 1. T+V. Let's assume this as the baseline, as this is what I imagine the judges would hypothetically be going for. It would only make sense for T+V to claim in this scenario. The vig shot could almost never be used as a bargaining chip to appeal when up for lynch, because that would indicate that the judges had chosen someone to give it to then changed their minds about whether that person is townie or not and put them in the lynch pile. Wouldn't make sense. 2. S+V This is the worst-case scenario, the one that I overlooked in the previous analysis. If S+V claims, then that would just be a bad/dumb move. It would be much more effective to save it and use it if suspicion ever DID fall on them from the judges and they thought they were going to lose the lynch vote, or if the game gets to the point where the judges are no longer present. 3. T-V. This would mean that HF is intentionally misleading everyone in the game, EXCEPT the judges who already know that he doesn't have the V. This would only make sense if he was trying to put all the attention on himself, so that the judges could give the shot to someone else who would be under less scrutiny. This would also likely force scum to use a RB on him, as he currently has vest and with the shot in tow, it is a bad position for scum. However, I think that this is still not a very good play, as it would assume that the judges don't scumread him for the move, and it would assume that when the vig shot is actually given out there is likely to be a legitimacy argument which would be counter-productive. I don't think this possibility makes much sense. If the judges did scumread him for the move it would look like this: 4. S-V This would also mean that HF is intentionally misleading everyone in the game, EXCEPT the judges who already know that he doesn't have the V, and of course excluding his scummates. This wouldn't make much sense to do because then the judges could just indicate that it is false by not including HF in the "Top 3" vote in the next cycle, effectively showing that "we don't care if this guy gets a vest or not because he is lying." That will show to everyone to stop listening to HF, and then he will be in the lynch pile the next cycle. --- In short, I don't find any situation in which it makes sense for scum HF to claim; I also think that the move for town HF to claim without actually having it would be too much of a gamble. QED, HF is town and has the shot. It was pretty hard for me to explain myself throughout all of this. If you disagree with my conclusions, please share your counterarguments because I could easily have just confused myself while thinking of the possibilities and interactions. tbh I feel like this post is worthless because 3 & 4 are the same scenario. The judges dont know alignments. | ||
geript
10024 Posts
On August 17 2017 11:08 geript wrote: Like you just gotta accept that HF is a liar regardless of his alignment. You have to read him on what he's trying to do; like what his goal this game is. Who he pushes is kinda relevant, but it's also what he lets go of. QFT. Literally just ignore HF claiming a gun because it's totally irrelevant. Go do something useful. | ||
Damdred
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On August 17 2017 11:57 Hopeless1der wrote: You're "different scenarios" rely on the fact that the judges picked two or three scum and that they bussed each other and that we 'super bussed' each other but wait not really so only one can ever be scum. how do you define tinfoil damdred. really, what possible conclusion from your read should ANYONE (not just me or TW, but the other players or the judges or even the hosts...wtf are you saying?!) I never said that we had multiple scum up for the lynch. I think rayn is basically unable to be scum. Is it slightly possible that he somehow did it... I guess? But I think that Is tin foil at this point. Could you be scum? Yes, obviously with my other conclusions you could be the scum up. I do not think it is possible for you to be scum with tw. I think tw is more Likely scum than you, and the way the votes happened (If you are both scum) then the scum team would be happy about bussing when they do not have to. Which does not make sense. This is compounded with the fact I think rels is scum and has no real vested interest in the lynch. So no honestly I don't think scum was up for lynch at this point. Some combination of TW/Rels/Ever will probably have two Sun in it currently. If this makes more sense. | ||
CopCake
4378 Posts
On August 17 2017 12:27 Jealous wrote: Nevermind, paint got too complicated once I realized all of the contingencies and the limitations of TL's textbox. Let's look at it from the judge's perspective. HF Claims he has the vig shot Possible Scenarios 1. HF is town and has the vig shot. T+V 2. HF is scum and has the vig shot. S+V 3. HF is town and doesn't have the vig shot. T-V 4. HF is scum and doesn't have the vig shot. S-V 1. T+V. Let's assume this as the baseline, as this is what I imagine the judges would hypothetically be going for. It would only make sense for T+V to claim in this scenario. The vig shot could almost never be used as a bargaining chip to appeal when up for lynch, because that would indicate that the judges had chosen someone to give it to then changed their minds about whether that person is townie or not and put them in the lynch pile. Wouldn't make sense. 2. S+V This is the worst-case scenario, the one that I overlooked in the previous analysis. If S+V claims, then that would just be a bad/dumb move. It would be much more effective to save it and use it if suspicion ever DID fall on them from the judges and they thought they were going to lose the lynch vote, or if the game gets to the point where the judges are no longer present. 3. T-V. This would mean that HF is intentionally misleading everyone in the game, EXCEPT the judges who already know that he doesn't have the V. This would only make sense if he was trying to put all the attention on himself, so that the judges could give the shot to someone else who would be under less scrutiny. This would also likely force scum to use a RB on him, as he currently has vest and with the shot in tow, it is a bad position for scum. However, I think that this is still not a very good play, as it would assume that the judges don't scumread him for the move, and it would assume that when the vig shot is actually given out there is likely to be a legitimacy argument which would be counter-productive. I don't think this possibility makes much sense. If the judges did scumread him for the move it would look like this: 4. S-V This would also mean that HF is intentionally misleading everyone in the game, EXCEPT the judges who already know that he doesn't have the V, and of course excluding his scummates. This wouldn't make much sense to do because then the judges could just indicate that it is false by not including HF in the "Top 3" vote in the next cycle, effectively showing that "we don't care if this guy gets a vest or not because he is lying." That will show to everyone to stop listening to HF, and then he will be in the lynch pile the next cycle. --- In short, I don't find any situation in which it makes sense for scum HF to claim; I also think that the move for town HF to claim without actually having it would be too much of a gamble. QED, HF is town and has the shot. It was pretty hard for me to explain myself throughout all of this. If you disagree with my conclusions, please share your counterarguments because I could easily have just confused myself while thinking of the possibilities and interactions. What if you are S+V and claim, then use the vigilante bullet and kill a town and be like "Ooopss sorry", you would kill a town, you would not lose the judges trust nor town after that. | ||
CopCake
4378 Posts
On August 17 2017 12:23 geript wrote: Bull shit read the fucking posts. This is clearly and obviously him representing that he's read both filters. Hell just opening reading FF's filter which was like 3 pages would take 3 minutes. You can't tell me he's not flat out lying about what he's doing and done. You can't flat out say that he thinks both are town when he fucking says 2/3rds of mafia are in a group of Hopeless +4. That's why he needs to be lynched. I don't understand your logic tbh, it is like you read FF's filter in like two minutes, you remember that he was your town read so you don't bother and read the recent posts of Hopeless and come to the conclusion that FF is more townie than hopeless. Like, I don't know if i am dumb or something but that is how I am reading those posts, I mean I even say "Im gonna read "x" persons filter and quick glance because most have quotes and quotes and quotes and ir hard to follow. | ||
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