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CopCake
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CopCake
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I NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER put suspicious on my team mates. NEVER EVER. I'd rather lynch myself than give up my team. Only exception was with moosydoosy whatever his name was because he gave us (glowing bear and me) to the town so he would look "townie" That game fucking pissed me. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On August 17 2017 12:23 geript wrote: Bull shit read the fucking posts. This is clearly and obviously him representing that he's read both filters. Hell just opening reading FF's filter which was like 3 pages would take 3 minutes. You can't tell me he's not flat out lying about what he's doing and done. You can't flat out say that he thinks both are town when he fucking says 2/3rds of mafia are in a group of Hopeless +4. That's why he needs to be lynched. That last quit if tumble turns out scum might of hard cleared Ryan and hopeless to the extreme | ||
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geript
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On August 17 2017 12:37 CopCake wrote: I don't understand your logic tbh, it is like you read FF's filter in like two minutes, you remember that he was your town read so you don't bother and read the recent posts of Hopeless and come to the conclusion that FF is more townie than hopeless. Like, I don't know if i am dumb or something but that is how I am reading those posts, I mean I even say "Im gonna read "x" persons filter and quick glance because most have quotes and quotes and quotes and ir hard to follow. The post he quoted from hopeless is this one. It's on the third page of Hopeless filter. So at least, we're talking about him reading 6 pages of filter in 3 minutes. Even just skimming, that's super fast. But he has like all the FF posts as super town. Just reading/skimming I'm super fast. I finished most GoT books in about 4-6 hours. I can enjoy a thread super quick. But just opening two filters and hitting all is a good 30 seconds gone. There's not time for him to have done what he's said he's done. Even if FF's filter took 2 minutes, TW doesn't even have time to reach that quote in Hopeless filter. He's just pulling out a random quote (one which I've pointed out at least twice BTW) and calling it towny. | ||
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Damdred
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CopCake
4378 Posts
On August 17 2017 12:46 Damdred wrote: @cake can you take me through your thought process on voting hopeless? Is the one I found more scummy from the 3. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On August 17 2017 12:40 CopCake wrote: Oh yeah I know how I can clear myself, well rayn can and MAYBE damdred because he claimed I am a good mafia player and a good scum last game. I NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER put suspicious on my team mates. NEVER EVER. I'd rather lynch myself than give up my team. Only exception was with moosydoosy whatever his name was because he gave us (glowing bear and me) to the town so he would look "townie" That game fucking pissed me. You fucking called him town. You fucking "cleared him" I'm done. Lynch TW, lynch Rels, lynch Cop. GG | ||
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CopCake
4378 Posts
On August 17 2017 12:46 geript wrote: The post he quoted from hopeless is this one. It's on the third page of Hopeless filter. So at least, we're talking about him reading 6 pages of filter in 3 minutes. Even just skimming, that's super fast. But he has like all the FF posts as super town. Just reading/skimming I'm super fast. I finished most GoT books in about 4-6 hours. I can enjoy a thread super quick. But just opening two filters and hitting all is a good 30 seconds gone. There's not time for him to have done what he's said he's done. Even if FF's filter took 2 minutes, TW doesn't even have time to reach that quote in Hopeless filter. He's just pulling out a random quote (one which I've pointed out at least twice BTW) and calling it towny. Ok, I got your point now. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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@HF: On the off chance you took medic, save geript. | ||
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CopCake
4378 Posts
On August 17 2017 12:47 geript wrote: You fucking called him town. You fucking "cleared him" I'm done. Lynch TW, lynch Rels, lynch Cop. GG I fought with him in the beginning? What is this What kind of sin i made ahhh | ||
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Jealous
10253 Posts
On August 17 2017 12:33 geript wrote: @Jealous QFT. Literally just ignore HF claiming a gun because it's totally irrelevant. Go do something useful. Did you just quote yourself and QFT? Lol. There's a first for everything xD Not a dig on you or anything, just thought it was humorous. I don't see how it is irrelevant. Can you explain how that could be the case? @H1: I know that the judges don't know the alignments. The division was to explain why it would be stupid for HF to claim vig as either alignment -v. @CopCake: That's an interesting point, I didn't consider that. It's certainly possible if there was a perfect storm situation, where a townie is being heavily scumread by the town and not the judges and thus the vig shot would be justified somehow. It would still take quite a bit of finesse and I could still see people upset over it regardless of how its handled. | ||
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CopCake
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On August 17 2017 12:50 Jealous wrote: Did you just quote yourself and QFT? Lol. There's a first for everything xD Not a dig on you or anything, just thought it was humorous. I don't see how it is irrelevant. Can you explain how that could be the case? @H1: I know that the judges don't know the alignments. The division was to explain why it would be stupid for HF to claim vig as either alignment -v. @CopCake: That's an interesting point, I didn't consider that. It's certainly possible if there was a perfect storm situation, where a townie is being heavily scumread by the town and not the judges and thus the vig shot would be justified somehow. It would still take quite a bit of finesse and I could still see people upset over it regardless of how its handled. Town can't blame the vigilante if the person that got shot was a whole scum read. | ||
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CopCake
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Jealous
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On August 17 2017 12:38 CopCake wrote: @Jelaous; what do you think of Geript's case on TW? Looking at filters now. | ||
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geript
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On August 17 2017 12:50 Jealous wrote: Did you just quote yourself and QFT? Lol. There's a first for everything xD Not a dig on you or anything, just thought it was humorous. I don't see how it is irrelevant. Can you explain how that could be the case? Pretend for a second that HF is town. I guarantee you that in 100% of cases in that situation he will claim receiving a gun. Pretend for a second that HF is scum. I guarantee you that in 100% of cases in that situation he will claim receiving a gun. I assure you that while HF may have a gun, his claiming a gun has absolutely 0 impact on his alignment. He will claim a gun whether or not he receives said gun. He will claim it (especially after winning the election). That's just him. He has a mad compunction to claim a role (any role though usually cop) on D1. Any number of us can confirm this. Everyone has their own little idiosyncracies and that's his. | ||
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Jealous
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On August 17 2017 13:01 geript wrote: Pretend for a second that HF is town. I guarantee you that in 100% of cases in that situation he will claim receiving a gun. Pretend for a second that HF is scum. I guarantee you that in 100% of cases in that situation he will claim receiving a gun. I assure you that while HF may have a gun, his claiming a gun has absolutely 0 impact on his alignment. He will claim a gun whether or not he receives said gun. He will claim it (especially after winning the election). That's just him. He has a mad compunction to claim a role (any role though usually cop) on D1. Any number of us can confirm this. Everyone has their own little idiosyncracies and that's his. I see but... wouldn't that be dumb of scum!HF? Or are you saying that because he does this so consistently, that we should just ignore it? In which case, why would anyone set such a precedent - just to have a better scum game in future games? That's deep. | ||
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geript
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On August 17 2017 13:10 Jealous wrote: I see but... wouldn't that be dumb of scum!HF? Or are you saying that because he does this so consistently, that we should just ignore it? In which case, why would anyone set such a precedent - just to have a better scum game in future games? That's deep. Yes, he does it so consistently it should just be ignored. Can we move on? Like readin filters and talkin about things that matter. | ||
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Jealous
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On August 17 2017 12:38 CopCake wrote: @Jelaous; what do you think of Geript's case on TW? Okay so first I'll explain my thought process reading the relevant posts, and I'll post a conclusion after I'm done. Looking at this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=73#1445 Like TW upgrading his FF read is really fucking weird. It's based off of a weak town read for "Not wanting a power-up" never gets talked about and FF gets upgraded to lock town 30 minutes before the lynch. I'm guessing the implication here is that TW was trying to appear more townie because he already knew what the outcome of lynching FF would be. Hopeless gets a major downgrade, FF gets an upgrade, and none of this gets talked about. One has to keep in mind that this is in response to this TW post: + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2017 01:35 Tumblewood wrote: thanks euros for the 20 pages while i was sleeping i read half of them and i think cake is the clearest town. i'm also moving 1der into weak town. i appreciate rayn but i'm waffling on him hard. not necessarily defending himself in a townie or scummy way, just very actively. damdred seems like town, but that said i don't know if i've ever played with scum!damdred. Which was made four hours before the Day 1 Eliminations were posted: I also don't see any mention of FF in there. + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2017 05:34 rsoultin wrote: Day 1 Eliminations Judges' least favorites: raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, Hopeless1der Vote here to remove from competition Is geript implying that TW was trying to raise H1's scum value and raise FF's townie value? I guess I can see that from a scum perspective, but I think it's NAI. Plenty of people have been giving relatively unexplained reads and changes in those reads based on vague one-liners. If every person who did that in this game was scum, there would be like 0 town players in this game lol. And again, FF was not mentioned in the post that geript was referencing. Moving on, I agree with geript that TW's CopCake post was bad. I also called him out on it, and after a brief back-and-forth he stopped answering me on that subject in particular, here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=53#1058 Then he picked it back up later: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=55#1090 I respond to this, and he doesn't respond once again. So yea, not a good track record. I would think that my posts would deserve at least an "Oh, ok," or something of that nature. From what I'm seeing here, I'm not seeing even that. In response to this post by geript: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=73#1448 I do agree with geript that the timing of TW's "filter analysis" is suspect. That is something that might get missed if someone isn't careful when they look at TW's filter, especially in the short-term when it now says "8 hours ago" or whatever. So, that's a good catch and definitely more worthwhile than that other argument that centered around timing, which was just bad in all directions imo (though I appreciated the sentiment from H1). I just don't understand why TW would claim to filter dive then come back so soon afterwards with those conclusions in a logical townie TW universe. He's not an idiot. I also agree with geript's analysis of what TW's options were, but I feel like I'm not appreciating the full impact of that argument; what are the conclusions in this case? As in, TW is scum because... He lied about reading filters? What did he gain from this lie, if we assume that it was a 3 town lynch pool? I guess the implication would have to be that it's not a 3 town lynch pool - in which case, the narrative being pushed is that TW was trying to distance himself from H1 and buddybuddy with FF/rayn. Which means... TW + H1 team? Conclusion: I do agree with a lot of geript's analysis; I will have to revisit my H1 read to see how much I can agree with the universe that is being created as a result, if I understood it correctly. Perhaps geript can clarify for me if my analysis of her argument is correct. I did have a strong H1 town read, but that was quite some time ago; however, I don't recall seeing anything scummy from H1 recently. In short: Potentially plausible, need more feedback to be sure and need to do more research in the morning to confirm. | ||
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Jealous
10253 Posts
On August 17 2017 13:14 geript wrote: Yes, he does it so consistently it should just be ignored. Can we move on? Like readin filters and talkin about things that matter. Thinking about the game without filters and all that was basically the only thing I could do to try and contribute in the hours when I had limited internet/computer/mobile access, hence my coming in here with that but I guess not ): | ||
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geript
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On August 17 2017 13:53 Jealous wrote: Conclusion: I do agree with a lot of geript's analysis; I will have to revisit my H1 read to see how much I can agree with the universe that is being created as a result, if I understood it correctly. Perhaps geript can clarify for me if my analysis of her argument is correct. I did have a strong H1 town read, but that was quite some time ago; however, I don't recall seeing anything scummy from H1 recently. In short: Potentially plausible, need more feedback to be sure and need to do more research in the morning to confirm. I'm going to ignore the peripheral arguments and go straight to the meat. I think the argument is pretty straight forward and obvious, but since you may be town... Let me ask you this question. Let's presume that TW is town. Why would he lie about how much he's read? Like there are things you sometimes lie about as town, but for the most part as town you don't lie about anything. Town generally doesn't lie because it doesn't serve any useful purpose. More importantly, town doesn't lie about how much they have or haven't read; that actually hurts town's ability to scum hunt. The thing is if TW was town, he wouldn't lie about having read all of both filters. He wouldn't try to misrepresent how much he has done. So him lying about that itself is alignment indicative. Like there are number of other spin off arguments that can support it, but they're all icing. | ||
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