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On May 20 2017 01:11 Skynx wrote: Ebwop: oh shit didn't see vet spots are full. I guess i can /coach Koshi style. You can take my spot; the deadline doesn't work for me anyways. | ||
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The joke itself is kinda NAI, too, but then again, why would scum start to push ahead a game when they can just rely on a lackluster game start with the EU people still asleep? I feel like Tubesock is town here, too. On June 03 2017 10:42 Prison Break wrote: RNG votes are cool, an RNG lynch seems horrible, doesn't give any information and turns the game into auto + there's no way to actually check if it's random and you don't know if the person determining the "random" factor is town or scum either This post feels super weird. First of all, you're here as a newbie, you're not supposed to judge if something's "cool" or not, right? The content of your post is supercorrect yet super obvious, so you do not add any value at all to the discussion. On June 03 2017 16:15 Vivax wrote: Early reads: Tube town for pushing game forward and being proactive. TW town for lashing out at something he didn't like and avoiding his scum play lazy buddying. It looked overly emotional to me but he claims it wasn't. Grack scum for being lazy, passive and kind of just reacting to things around him without attempting to reach a satisfactory conclusion or looking like he wanted to. Neither shitpost-y grack nor tryhard-y grack. Just bore-y grack. Rest null. I do agree with this post. Except I wouldn't put Grack on the scum pile yet because in Generic II, he played like this all game and was town. On June 03 2017 21:31 Conversion wrote: Hi all! I'm here-- generally a hectic weekend personally so apologies that I was late! That's all fine and dandy but if you've been here for about an hour, why aren't you posting? | ||
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On June 03 2017 21:32 Prison Break wrote: Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking extremely early game, unless if he's just trying to move the game forward in which case it's not a scumtell Tumblewoods initial response seemed forced, but the way he got to a townread after it is something I see town do when they realize a push is bad, or scum when they fear people will be onto them. But if tumblewood was scum wouldn't he realize his push was thin to say the least? Like I don't see how he has scum would make such a push just to retract it after, I don't think there was enough pressure on him to already back off from it. Based on this I conclude his change of mind was genuine not calculated, so leaning town on tumblewood despite me not liking his post initially. At least he's also trying to move the game forward which is worth something. going to throw this out here cause I may be able to get something out of it, and it may help me make reads on people as well: what are some ways to go about catching scum, especially early game? I don't expect/want people to make an entire list because mafia will adapt, but I think a few examples or short answers will help the game move forward. I'll start off, in my experience who I think are "extremely scummy" often end up being town, and the extremely active/inactives as well (although this one isn't a golden rule), and often the people I nullread end up being scum. I think this is because scum wants to blend in and doesn't try to play as townie or as scummy as possible but somewhere in the safe middle. I think last game that would be true for myself as well. This is weird, again. First thing: Hard statement. "Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking". Second thing: feels a bit wishy-washy but it also makes sense - then again, it's a lenghty version of "I don't think scum would do that so he must be town". Third thing: super irrelevant things. This is not a discussion about "how to play mafia". This is an actual game of mafia. PB is making a lot of words about not very much. | ||
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yes I'm going to bed now no I'm not scum | ||
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On June 04 2017 00:13 Holyflare wrote: I don't think pb's posts are anywhere near the same and he's asking for help how to play. Your post is way too over the mark. Hm okay. I like that point of view because you've been scum with him in generic II, so you're quite capable of judging it imho. I rate the "LS votes HF" thing townish for LS. ritoky is super investing into the HF filter quoted by LS which is a super town tell IMHO, I wouldn't put in that effort if I was scum. But I do know I'm lazy so.. meh, maybe ritoky isn't. But that plus the fact that ritoky fearlessly pushes around people (me), keeps on adding value etc, he's on the town pile. | ||
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On June 04 2017 03:32 Conversion wrote: I'm actually working today and was going to catch up later in the day, hence I said that generally it's a hectic weekend. Also, I understand that your timezone doesn't match up with the start of the game, but what are you going to get by pushing me, who is not experienced at all at Mafia, and making me post more? What about the other half of the thread that isn't making any sort of post that you can push for more information as well? It feels counterproductive to me (although I can see the flip side of the argument of letting me lurk lets me fly under the radar if I am scum by playing the newbie card, but I would assume veteran players can pressure me into slipping later on in the game if I were) For me it seems like unnecessary posting just clutters up a lot of the points or distractions, being made here, and I'd rather spend a good chunk of the small amount of time I do have in my current situations understanding how Mafia games generally go and understanding when to push for points or make good posts. TL;DR real life things outside of my control has coincided with the start time of this game-- does not mean I am trying to be inactive to fly under the radar and lurk. Well I'm not exactly pushing you. It's more like it feels weird that you say "hey, I'm here" and then you leave again. That's just not helping. If you feel like helping, then at least make people ask you questions. "What do you think about the exchange of HF/TW?" "What do is your stance on Vivax?" this is something that helps making yourself more readable. You didn't especially invite people to ask those questions, on the contrary. You're saying "hey guys I'm somewhat playing" so everyone expects you to do things; except you're not doing things so boom, people even start scumreading you. "What about the others in here" is also not the greatest of things to say. There's no real reason for me to look into anyone right now as I didn't find too much that caught my attention as "super suspicious" (except for the PB thing, ofc), but somehow your "hi bras" post caught my attention. So, no, it's not "clutter" or "unproductive". On the contrary - my slight poke triggered a big "oh noes" post which contains a lot of speculation and "do not look at me". I'm totally fine with people looking into me. I'm town, after all, and I got nothing to hide, I don't have any restrictions in who I'm pushing etc. | ||
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On June 04 2017 03:53 ritoky wrote: the person i think is most mafia right now is probably BTDT. i think his reads are cheap and hollow. he defends TW for missing a joke "full frontal" (w/e the shit that means); when from my experience lacking a sense of humor is more mafia indicative than town. he defends grack from vivax because of last game? he doesn't disagree with vivax that what grack is doing isn't more scum indicative, he just says "don't call him mafia cuz he said terrible things last game too". read as mafia trying to pocket/protect weak town a bit. he prods the new player, which is easy for anyone to do. he calls out PB for sounding wishy-washy....but that makes no sense to me. he has a read on TW and grack from previous games, but not on PB. in the previous game PB was incredibly definitive and made tons of sense pretty much all game long. in this game PB sounds more unsure and makes less sense. it makes me think PB is more likely town, so why does PB sounding dissimilar to last game make him think PB is the same alignment as last game? dunno....pretty much don't like anything of what he has posted. "Lacking a sense of humor" and "not identifying the irony" are completely different things. The first thing is the absence of the capability to laugh about something. Like "Hey, wow, I don't think it's funny that you make an ironic statement about the number of posts in this game". The second thing is "What the fuck are you talking about? There haven't been many posts in this game, why do you say there were many posts in this game?!" The second thing is exactly what happened. TW missed the irony. He simply "didn't get it". He did not find it "not humourous", he missed the joke. That is NAI at best. If you have your judgment there from "experience", then please point me to some games where you have made those experiences in. You've shown already you're willing to dig filters from other games, so go ahead. Yes, I have defended Grack and your interpretation of that is entirely possible. Not much to say against that. But it's of course possible that you interpret it that way because you want to scumread me. It's also entirely possible that I simply said this to make Vivax aware of something - especially since Grack was in LYLO in generic II and half the obs QT was sure he was scum. So much to that . What does "prods the new player" mean? As you might've realized, I'm not a native speaker. PBs reads at that point are wishy-washy, ritoky, and if you call that a solid read, then you're misrepresenting things. If there are more questions towards me coming from that case, feel free to ask, I'm here. | ||
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On June 04 2017 03:56 ritoky wrote: also the "i am calling things weird, but not alignment indicative......YET!" post pisses me off. your whole case feels like you're pissed off over me being bad instead of having solid reasons for me being scum. Take a step back and reconsider? | ||
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On June 04 2017 04:55 Blazinghand wrote: Clearly my RNG was, as always, 100% correct here i'll prove it ##Vote Vivax This is super fishy | ||
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On June 04 2017 22:26 Grackaroni wrote: In the second line he tags one of the most generic posts possible as "super weird" I also didn't like that he goes out of his way to quote Vivax to say that he agrees with something that he had just said at the top of his post. Nagging someone to contribute at the end adds to the perception that he's trying to fluff up contributions. Plus I generally find pestering people to post annoying. Also he called me a baddie. It actually wasn't as bad of a post as I thought though because his whole schtick in the next post is that PB is making fluff posts, which is a fair argument. That may be what he meant by super weird in the second line. <3 On a more serious note though, I like your thought process quite a lot. It feels genuine. | ||
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On June 04 2017 08:38 Conversion wrote: Can you explain how I am showing disinterest in the game? I meant to say that the general lack of posting and effort is due to personal reasons, and understood that from a mechanical POV that it could be scummy. I don't understand where the translation suddenly became "I don't care about this game." when I've been actually reading the thread carefully. I'd like an explanation so I can understand your scumtell 101 derived from my post. One more super weird post that doesn't really add much. I might get tunneled and be over-"whatthefucked" by a newbie. But what if not? | ||
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On June 04 2017 08:38 Conversion wrote: Could you expand upon your read of why I make you feel weird about my alignment? I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand how you think instead of what you and Fidei are doing, which is calling me weird or "scumtell 101" without actually expanding upon it. It feels rather off to me that people would let inactives pass, but rather unconstructed arguments based on feelings (you) can pass as constructive posts. "I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand" whoawhoawhoa, so many words for not really much. What is hard to understand about "hey, you said you're here but you didn't do anything, so why say that you're here in the first place"? | ||
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On June 04 2017 08:43 Conversion wrote: Aside from having sort of suspicious feelings on how quickly btdt is basing his reads on feelings (he's sleeping now iirc so I can wait on that) and then not explaining his case by citing he's a bad player, I think I'd have to read more when I'm not at a phone to make better reads. I'd also like to give Fidei the benefit of the doubt b/c I was cited in the past as acting pretty scummy here when I was floundering about from inactivity and lack of confidence. I would rather have on the board some confidence and a deconstruction of my post from Fidei to support your scumtell so you can push it harder to let me argue and refine your read on me. 1. You're on a phone 2. You're typing super long sentences with correct spelling and punctuation. 3. You go out of your way to even type "b/c" which on mobile should be harder to type then "because" You're either overly dedicated to correct spelling, punctuation, wording and what not - or you weren't typing from mobile and you're making excuses. | ||
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On June 04 2017 08:46 Conversion wrote: re: post above I'm glad that both Vivax and Grack read me slightly as town, but I think I want to read more into their interaction and presence on the board before making definite assessments. I think Tubesock is pretty dodgy-- he opened up lightly with some jokey posting, but has no real good presence on the game right now. I'm surprised people are letting him fly under the radar when he's asking other people who they think are scum/what they're reads are but not really giving any information for himself Why do you mention the people that do townread you when you're asked the opposite thing? Why is Tubesock dodgy and why do you not scumread me although you said you'd almost do so in the posts just before? | ||
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On June 04 2017 23:36 Holyflare wrote: I don't think anything you're saying about him makes the slightest bit of sense. Sure, he's verbose ans trying to understand why you scum read him for being afk but why does that make him mafia? I feel like you're dodging the tw thing, the fidei blatantly having a bull shit list thing and everything else to chase not looking scummy newbie guy. I'm reading up the pages I didn't read while I'm cooking. If you want to put me onto something, then quote it and ask me about it you lazy bum | ||
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On June 04 2017 08:51 Conversion wrote: I agree with PB above in btdt-- the first non newbie game I played a lot of vets gave me a lot of shit for making my excuses lack of presence by playing the newbie card. I think it's okay if you are a bad player or a newbie, but I think it's worse for the town environment by throwing your arms up and saying you're a bad player instead of trying to be the best town player you can ability wise I'm not a vet I'm a bad player, I already got nomination for 2017's worst play | ||
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On June 04 2017 23:38 Holyflare wrote: I play 100% of the time on my phone nowadays. It's not that difficult to do, especially with autocorrect and swiftkey remembering my most used words. If he types b/c a lot then that would be easy to do. Regardless you're trying to make an absolutely ridiculous point that he's lying about being on a phone but to what end does he need to do that? I already lied about phone posting when I was scum so why wouldn't he do it? I used it as an excuse to not post what I think in full lenght | ||
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ritoky town hf dunno, can be both, if alive >D3, lynch with fire etc I don't care about pretty much everyone else, can be lynched except Onegu, for some super weird reason I think Onegu's town but I'm not gonna share this reason | ||
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On June 04 2017 23:38 Holyflare wrote: I play 100% of the time on my phone nowadays. It's not that difficult to do, especially with autocorrect and swiftkey remembering my most used words. If he types b/c a lot then that would be easy to do. Regardless you're trying to make an absolutely ridiculous point that he's lying about being on a phone but to what end does he need to do that? It must be a pain then that the links in the player list are teamliquid.net links? Since tl.net is blocked and only liquidhearth works for you? | ||
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ok  let me know if there's something interesting at any point | ||
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mind my words: PB still voting me is so cheap and stupid. if he keeps coasting, hedging and overexplaining commonly known things, he should be lynched with fire it's not like I care though since I am bad x) sooooo yeah | ||
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i super suck as town story of my life | ||
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On June 05 2017 04:07 ritoky wrote: cool, talk about people not named BTDT and conversion. go. you're town | ||
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On June 05 2017 04:20 Vivax wrote: Yes he's basically saying he doesn't believe a word of what BH calls Grack scum for yet concludes that BH is town and Grack is null, with a lot of fluff on top. I'm super fine with lynching PB, this guy smells like scum. The overall tone of his post is so super soft, so not-pushy, so calm, so zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz really lynch pb | ||
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On June 05 2017 03:39 Holyflare wrote: Why not BTDT who scum reads exclusively newbies and refuses to talk about the rest of the people in the game? Whose current push is calling a guy a liar for phone posting because he did it once in a game. But the problem is he's been called out on it and the guy he's pushing looks towny. He pushed PB similarly and instantly dropped it because I said it was mediocre. Weird patterns. Wait wait wait you misrepresenting Unholycandle. 1st scumreading exclusively newbies is one thing but the game is to be continued for some time, right? not sure why it should be bad if I coincidentally start with newbies 2nd "refusing to talk about the rest of the people in the game" wait what again what is this this is plain wrong 3rd yes that's my super push for me it makes perfect sense. whats wrong on calling out someone for something that I have done as scum before? holymoly should I not do this? should I rather shut up and like, say nothing? lurk? it's at least something people cast start working with you little nut 4th i didn't drop anything about PB im totes fine with lynching that guy you're misrepresenting me in 4 points that's just super bad scummycandle On June 05 2017 03:48 Vivax wrote: Cause btdt looked realistically frustrated at being scumread and somehow ended up with the attitude that he doesn't care about how he is perceived afterwards and adjusted his posting to a less effort style which makes sense when you are being scumread after posting high effort. I think that's a townie progression. See, scummycandle? it's actually possible to not scumread me for that but of course as scum pushing for a mislynch you need to paint me red. bah bah bah lynch pb/holyflare I think is a good move | ||
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On June 05 2017 04:24 Holyflare wrote: This Vivax push absolutely STINKS. And it's SAD and it's a DISASTER | ||
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1. likes my "forensic approach" (which everyone else called BAD BAD BAD) 2. townleans me 3. doesn't say a single word to defend me at any point in his filter  ( | ||
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On June 05 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote: 1. You have to give them a chance to do something instead of driving them away. Focusing solely on newbies when there is a LOT of content in the game other than those people (which we have told you to focus on) looks bad because newbies are generally really easy mislynches. 2. It's not plain wrong. Ritoky, myself, many other people have told you to stop pushing these people, stop focusing on how "bad" you're being and communicate with the rest of the game. I have multiple instances in my filter repeating the same thing. There are many instances in your filter proving this. 3. Just because you did something once doesn't mean everyone now is capable of doing it. There is nothing in his filter that looked like he was shirking away from giving reads and phone posting was a way to achieve that so to me it looks like you're shovelling inane points to try and bury a new guy behind a wall of aggression so he shuts down instead of giving him space, reevaluating that you might be wrong and looking into other avenues in a three scum team game, which you have been asked to do. 4. You haven't mentioned him since. 1. At this point there wasn't a lot of content in the game. Also, I was simply reading through the thread and picking up posts as I read them. I didn't first read and then decide what to pick on, d'oh. "We have told you to look at" - not at this point, again, lots of blablabla 2. Holy maccaroni you're argueing with a point in the game that is much later than the oiriginal point you have misrepresented. It's always easier to say "hey, on page 6 you hadn't done what I told you on page 7", you do realize that, right? 3. Of course that doesn't mean that everybody is capable of doing it. Nevertheless it is a solid reasoning for ME to think that this might the going on here. Of course I am not giving space to the person I'm pushing, I don't want to hear them flail about whateverthefuck they ate last night, I want to clearly know what's going on. Who the fuck writes "b/c" on mobile, I ask once more? And if it's so super convenient for him (or for you, HF) as you said earlier, then why does he say "oih wait until im on a computer" then anyways, huh? No, doesn't make sense, hence why I think it's scum indicative. 4. That's wroooooong I say pretty clearly I'm fine with lynching him, probably 10 min ago or something. scummy scummy hf I know you're capable of out-argueing me at any point in time, no problem but that doesn't make you less scum | ||
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On June 05 2017 04:32 Holyflare wrote: Even though all of the above is still in play, I haven't called you mafia, I've been willing to be open about you SO THAT YOU DO OTHER THINGS, which you still refuse to do. One of my other things I'm doing is scumreading you you super generous guy | ||
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On June 05 2017 04:36 Fidei86 wrote: I mean, since that you've essentially just pushed Conversion and then been extremely whiny. I'm still town-leaning you, but all my reads are sort of crossing over each other, which is making this game very confusing. But if you want someone else to defend you maybe you should start by defending yourself... I know I'm playing bad. And I assure you this is the last game I'll play for a while if not ever. Every time I sign up for a game and roll town, I get super mad when I'm called scum, I get super mad when people call me bad. So I'll be super happy if this game is over for me and don't worry, I won't sign up for any other games. | ||
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Full stop here, as it's useless to discuss this anyways | ||
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(no particular order right now) Don't lynch: Vivax Fidei + Show Spoiler + one question though: On June 04 2017 22:51 Fidei86 wrote: *deep breath* Care to explain why? Why take a deep breath there, but townread me? I mean, me being emotional must be annoying, too, so why town read me but react like this there? ritoky Lynch: Prison Break + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2017 02:34 Prison Break wrote: I will post a list of my reads today - I like where my vote is now (based on page 1/14, reading the rest now) That was his last life sign. He did the same promise stuff in Generic II, check his day one. He OMGUS'ed me after I pushed him and besides that he hasn't touched a single player besides some wonky "yo HF can you answer this, please" - where no follow up happened, again. There was a bit about Fidei, granted, but although he didn''#t like that fidei called out lurkers, it apparently wasnt enough for PB to look a bit deeper into Fidei. Super coasting mafia. Tubesock + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2017 02:10 Tubesock wrote: My preferred lynches are BH, btdt, then TW. BH and TW for already stated reasons. btdt because I don't like nitpickers or martyrs. He's wrong on Conversion, if newbie excuses were the entire content of Cons post then he'd be right but Conversion posts reads and explains them. I'm fine with HF and TW being in the same category. I mean you're HF the one who survives red checks. And I'm pretty convinced the mods messed up in generic and mislabeled your role when you died. This is super cheap. Blazinghand does nothing and is controversial and super low volume, I am already voted, and TW is also thread sentiment alike. Seems content with what he does there. Calls out Onegu at a random point but doesn't really care if Onegu returns or not. Others: Conversion - hmm. His filter is full of stuff, so there's more to read into, so I'd just wait a bit. The mobile stuff still makes me headache and I think he's getting away too easy with some stuff but I realize that this is super generic. I'm not filter diving him right now. Holyflare 6 pages of filter and of course HF is great and I feel like I will not even try to read him. If he's alive past day 3 he should be lynched because noone leaves HF alive for so long. He's a beast. Tumblewood - meh dunno Onegu - huge list post :O LightningStrike - not remembering anything spectacular? Grackaroni - not remembering anything spectacular? Blazinghand - I have literally no idea about his alignment | ||
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On June 05 2017 06:26 Holyflare wrote: The Tumblewood TMI Compendium V 1.0 Tubesock - Town Fidei - Town Ritoky - Town Grack - Town BTDT - Town Blazinghand - Town Vivax - Town that's actually super cool and I'm tempted to lynch TW now although I just made a huge post which stated otherwise :O because if TW is red then wow lol | ||
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On June 05 2017 06:59 Vivax wrote: ^ this Tbh I'm itching to lynch him since he doesn't wanna explain his BH read which makes zero sense. And on the other hand I know HF is mafia and will go full dictator on all the cred he's getting if TW is indeed scum. So I want TW to be town hard. He's done it before on a D1. ![[image loading]](https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o85xIO33l7RlmLR4I/giphy.gif) | ||
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I would've never caught him good job Onegu. I'll go back to my retard corner and await the mislynch :D | ||
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And HF might also be because he was super duper late on Fidei BH/Onegu town | ||
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On June 06 2017 21:09 Holyflare wrote: This game could be really really fun if vivax turns out to be the real cop who green checked bh and is making a logic leap to calling me mafia because that means Tumblewood is mafia. That's the dream. So you're even paranoid about Tumble's claim not being true although he's un-cc'ed. Or is he and I'm dumb? | ||
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there's a red check and a claim to vote for and PB is like "nah fuckit I'll vote btdt" | ||
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honestly if we lynch vivax at this point and he flips cop are we even in a terrible spot? we lynch HF tomorrow which means we have 2 scum in 3 lynches, that seems pretty good for a worst case scenario best case scenario is vivax is scum which is obv good, and lynching HF is bad because odds are vivax was going to be lynched at some point anyway If he flips cop, we don't have a cop. Next kill would then most likely be Tumblewood (if he's indeed doc) because doc would save the cop. If all those claims are real, ofc. If HF flips green, we can lynch a scum tomorrow. Which is super fine. We don't lose the cop. I just don't understand how a sane person can prefer the un-cc'ed cop lynch over the claimed check lynch. Even if HF isn't scum, we get Vivax. In both cases it's a bit coinflippy but why the hell would you start with the potential cop and not with the potential scum? | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:07 Blazinghand wrote: So BTDT "why would vivax trade himself for holyflare if vivax was scum?" is implying that Vivax wasn't already gonna be lynched today. You of course had Vivax in your "don't lynch" list but let's imagine that he was 100% doomed today. If he was in fact 100% gonna be lynched, as scum, why NOT try to take down HF first? Another way to look at it was "We're either lynching Vivax or HF today, who is scummier?" and I think the obvious answer is Vivax, even accounting for the cop claim. It's entirely possible Vivax is in fact the town cop (or a vanilla townie who's just really mad at HF or something). But his play makes sense from the PoV of low-effort scum who can't be arsed to play the game, thinks he's dead no matter what, but wants to try to take someone down with him. I just don't understand how at the very beginning of a 48 hour phase, a lynch on Vivax is already locked and will happen 100% of the time. The "If" you say there is a super big one. Also why not simply cc the doc in Tumblewood and argue people into that? Vivax should be capable of that. | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:09 Prison Break wrote: if vivax flips cop we lynch HF and are down to 1 scum, which seems fine I have more of a problem if vivax is town fake claiming, I want to eliminate that possibility first so I want him to come in and confirm his claim / or retract it If HF flips scum we have a cop and a claimed doctor to heal that cop to get an additional check. | ||
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im super content in lynching that guy, still, but not over hf | ||
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also keep in mind yes one scum is down but we have wonky claims in tw/vivax, we have players that are super capable of bussing (BH/Onegu) and there's a lot of things to be paranoid about. In no way is this going to be easy, especially if we lynch Vivax and he flips cop because hell HF is capable of talking himself out of a check. In a cop/doc situation, a framer might be in, right? | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:12 Blazinghand wrote: Depends on if HF is the RB or not. In this scenario, Mafia RB, if still alive, can RB the doc and shoot the cop. That being said, there is SOMETHING to be said for "all things being absolutely equal, it's probably better to lynch HF first since it'd give us an extra cop check if he's the RB" so this is a valid point Granted. We have a cop and a doc claim and I am paranoid about the lack of any cc'ing here. Counter claiming either cop or doc is the thing right now that will kill a second mafia, potentially even the roleblocker. By the way - GF is in so that should confirm the cop in this setup, right? I'm fairly certain that as long as there's no counterclaim, we should always lynch HF over Vivax. | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:15 Holyflare wrote: You should press the quote button on the posts you want to quote because it's hard to decipher between what you write and what's a quote. And he knows that from Generic II. This guy is absolutely scummy. | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote: Because if you're playing the same game you'd know vivax was bad fake claiming or mafia. He even says in his post he's going to rescind. Point me to that. At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments. He seems to be all fucked up about the randomness of this game. And I can understand that: looking only at activity (not content), he's active and participating and gets scumread, while low-volume players that didn't contribute too hard to this game get a lot of cred because they yolo'd a lynch onto scum gf. I can super understand his frustration and I don't understand why you call that "bad fake claiming or mafia". | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:19 Blazinghand wrote: "I'm fairly certain he's not the guy to leave his teammates alone and fuck off of the sinking ship" he literally is the kind of guy to do that "HF is capable of talking himself out of a check" not with me around kiddo " a framer might be in, right" literally impossible under the rules ah you're right. super good, lynch HF, no way he has been framed, so no way for Vivax to talk himself out of anything should HF flip green | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:20 Holyflare wrote: How on earth is going through all that effort to make your post unreadable scummy? I think you need to take a chill pill on your scum tells. 1. make a case 2. make it as unreadable as possible 3. "whoops" how is that not scummy? "look at all the effort I'm putting in guys but please don't really look at it as it's constructed" | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:21 Blazinghand wrote: GF being in does NOT confirm cop existence. The Hosts don't want the Mafia to have too much information, so they get a GF at the start whether or not there's a cop. Man every piece of setup speculation you're doing is so bad Don't call me bad, I get tilted super fast and then I get worse. There's no need for a host to put in a GF when there is no investigative role. Can be a goon. Why would you actively mislead scum? In setups with cop/doc, it's even balance-wise important for mafia to know what's going on because they'll never be able to fake claim in a meaningful way if they don't know the setup. | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:24 Holyflare wrote: We Lynched Mafia And He Says It's Cos Onegu Made Good Points And Everyone Sheeped Onegu So why is he mad at all that fidei, the mafia, got lynched based on content. It was 0% random AND UNAVOIDABLE BECAUSE THE MAIN WAGON CLAIMED BLUE. He makes it out like he's pissed off from an unavoidable situation that he played no part in to help. Then he says at the end of the day after everyone picks a side in the cop battle we'll lynch someone random. Because he is going to rescind and say it's all a joke to make us flail like day 1. I don't think you're making sense. And I think you're trying to talk me into lynching Vivax. I'm not gonna lynch into the un-cc'ed cop because his red-check told me to do so. It's super madness. If he lied, he'll be lynched next day. If not, HF is scum. Supercool. | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:22 Blazinghand wrote: So you think it's more likely HF will flip scum than Vivax will flip scum, based on their contributions to the game and Vivax's claim? Just to be clear here, you think HF is more likely to be scum than Vivax is? please explicitly answer directly. HF is super active and drives the game forward. Vivax is not so super active, has fucked off D2, but I think he had a decent D1. Without the claim: I'd probably lynch neither of them. If I had to choose, I'd lynch Vivax over HF. | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:27 Blazinghand wrote: Sigh, AS A HOST, and as the guy who does balance checks (sometimes) for new hosts, I give mafia a GF and advise giving Mafia GF even in games with no cop, it it's a closed setup. You make the experience identical whether there is or isn't a cop. This is like... I mean, come on man/ I'm not saying you're a bad player, but at least please trust my experience. I'm not saying there's definitely no cop; I'm saying the existence of a GF is independent of that fact. I'm not saying you're a bad player, but just leave the setup speculation to me ok This is a semi-open setup, not a closed setup. | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:29 Blazinghand wrote: JESUS CHRIST HOW ARE YOU SO DENSE THE POINT IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE EXACT ROLE COUNTS AND SHIT, YOUR OBJECTION IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT ALSO THIS IS SEMI-CLOSED NOT SEMI-OPEN JUST STOP TALKING This game uses a semi-open setup. Taken from the OP. | ||
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In a situation where a un-cc'ed cop claims a red-check on a player, do you lynch the un-cc'ed cop over the red-check because the un-cc'ed cop previously was scummier than his red-check? | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:31 Blazinghand wrote: actually you know what BTDT if it makes you feel better I concede the point on the NAMING of the setup type, but there's NOTHING that implies that automatically there must be a Cop if there is a GF. In fact, PM the host if you want and ask, "in setups with a GF, is it required by the rules there also is a cop" please give it a try sweet mother of mercy I'm not saying existence of cop is super confirmed. I'm saying it's likely that there is one given we have a GF. Your argument is "no, it's not likely, most of the time there is a gf in even if there is no cop". We're not talking setup confirmation here. You're putting super weight on that one bit, my main point was "hey, you guys are lynching the un-cc'ed cop, that's not a good idea". | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:31 beentheredonethat wrote: Just one question: In a situation where a un-cc'ed cop claims a red-check on a player, do you lynch the un-cc'ed cop over the red-check because the un-cc'ed cop previously was scummier than his red-check? should I [big] and [b] this maybe | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:33 Blazinghand wrote: That's exactly the question we're asking! So we have someone who is SUPER SUPER scummy like Vivax, who 100% needs to be lynched. In his desperation, he claims a redcheck on the highly town HF. Who do we lynch? That's a tough call. There's not an obvious answer. I think we lynch Vivax for a variety of reasons, but people can reasonably disagree on this. If there's no obvious answer, how are you actively pushing people into "lynch Vivax" instead of making them come to their own conclusions? I get that HF is doing that, he has no other way than doing that, but isn't it SUPER DUPER FISHY that there's absolutely NOONE coming in and saying (besides poor btdt who has probably the worst standing in this thread right after the claimed cop right now) "hey guys thefuck is going on" | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:33 Holyflare wrote: How does this not make sense to you. You said it makes sense that vivax is frustrated at the randomness. But what reason does he possibly have to be frustrated when he compliments onegu and said he had valid reasons to vote fidei? zero. Then you say he's frustrated because fidei wasn't talked about but no shit, we didn't have time with Tumblewood claiming doctor. But fidei flipped mafia. Why is vivax, the guy who doesn't like to play the game as mafia who had a not so bad start to the game, rage quitting when we kill a mafia super early? Because he was doing well, his team likely in a good spot and fidei "randomly" dies. Bye bye motivation. mumble mumble yeah makes sense but I don't want to admit that this makes sense lynching the fucking uncc'ed cop is plain bullshit | ||
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On June 04 2017 06:51 Vivax wrote: I like Fidei's first post cause he reprimands me for forming certain reads he thinks I shouldn't have. I will say that they are preliminary reads based on the little content I had so I think that shows that he isn't suffering from TMI. Fidei town for now. HF town I think cause he isn't just yelling about any mistake someone may have made and extending the discussion about it into as much detail as he can to produce endless unproductive arguments. He seems really chill about his scumhunting and thinks he has something on TW. I can see where he's coming from cause imo that post looked overly emotional (if you wanna call it forced, call it forced) but I'm not that sure that it makes TW mafia as he is. BTDT I'm atm conflicted on cause I don't think Grack played like this in generic. I feel like Grack has slowed down his posting even more than in the last game, and I'm surprised btdt doesn't see it the same way. I like on the other hand that he's pointing out how PB is making easy posts by saying certain things in a contrived, overly worded way. But I also think that it's something a scum can easily point out esp. emphasizing that PB won a mafia game recently which reads to me like soft fearmongering. I prefer to remain inconclusive on btdt for now and watch more development between him ritoky and PB. PB on the other hand calls out fidei for the lurker thingy, but says it's only scummy if it's not to move the game forward, which is a statement that cancels itself and ends up not really saying anything. He could ask fidei if that was his intention before explaining that if it was, he could ignore the argument, for example. I like his idea of discussing how to find mafia early game actually and giving his own opinion on it cause it looks cute at best, pointless at worst and since it's what we are already doing I don't think that it needs to be laid out. He doesn't latch onto someone instantly like last scum game but prefers a chill start instead so I remain conflicted on him as well. HF also pointed out that he's asking for help on how to play and shouldn't be auto made out as scummy which looks like what btdt wants to do. I think in this conversation btdt looks a bit too eager to push PBs post into a scummy light and comes out slightly worse of the two, although superficially, PB has more things you could construe as scummy quickly (and hence possibly qualifies as lynch bait) Conversion post explaining his absence reads tonally super town explaining without a hint of nervousness why he's playing like he is. Feels safe to townpile for now. Ritoky's case on btdt seems good and isn't overly adorned and gets straight to the point. Ritoky likey. Grack has achieved a new dimension of mafia laziness but his latest read post ends up at something similar like where I am. Gonna see what he comes up with further. I maintain that he didn't try to do jack in early game and even less than last game where at least he actively constructed shit posts (like inserting wrong quotes on purpose). LS and HFs arguments on LS I'm postponing atm. Also fideis new post doesn't end up where I am at all. I'ma stick around now instead of throwing walls of text at you. And BH?BH whatever, he has a star in his name and is the banlist fuhrer so should probably lynch just to be rebellious. look at this for someone who absolutely doesn't like to play scum (as painted), that's quite the effort to do. | ||
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On June 04 2017 07:32 Vivax wrote: This reads like real frustration. But no need to be frustrated btdt. Just keep doing your thing! As scum, I'd just go full frontal "lol btdt you suck" but that's me | ||
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On June 05 2017 03:55 Vivax wrote: That's townie as hell. Best example of idgaf attitude. this is interesting in vivax' filter like, ritoky says "wtf btdt you're super bad" and he's instabelieving that's me being town not giving a fuck, which is 100% correct and could of course be a scum TMI | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:40 Blazinghand wrote: It's a list post and therefore imo not a good contribution. Also, like... I guess let me say this. After the D1 flip, I as a townie, felt energized and excited. Since we lynched a mafia I have been more engaged and eager to play this game. I think we can win this! it was a big morale boost. How did Vivax react to that? I felt super fucked over that flip because I thought that my top town read (or something) just flipped scum and I didn't play for 12hours or so because I thought "meh, I'm the next lynch" im super negative | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:43 Holyflare wrote: You should just read my filter. It's just full of calling out bull shit. your filter is super hard to read because you're super conversational and hardly using quotes if you're reacting to something | ||
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On June 05 2017 04:30 Vivax wrote: I'm already feeling the unstoppable fidei/btdt/Vivax/ritoky train choochooing HF and his scumbois into ze ground this gives me headache | ||
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On June 05 2017 05:20 Vivax wrote: Liar: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?user=Blazinghand&view=all Lynched Day 2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483428-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-3?user=Blazinghand&view=all Lynched Day 1 - POSTING HUGE WALL OF TEXT ANALYSIS POSTS On June 05 2017 05:25 Vivax wrote: Town BH: BH this game: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cJeLeLh.gif) And if he ever flips town we lynch HF for TMI anyway more effort. the "hates being scum" narrative isn't too solid imho | ||
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On June 05 2017 05:46 Vivax wrote: HF literal statement: BH as town never tried to solve the game when he had the opportunity, so Vivax is mafia. Ergo HF is just pushing misinformation and lies. Ergo ##Vote: HF his check on HF makes sense. if it's a fake claim, then it would only be targeted on HF because of personal frustration and not because of super duper mafia plan I don't think it's a fake claim, raelly. | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:45 Blazinghand wrote: Jeez I've kinda been a grouch to your btdt sorry Gonna take a break then come back Well everyone says I'm bad and TL mafia in general has a super toxic and "you're bad" tonality. So it's fine if you're grouchy. | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:49 Holyflare wrote: Dude. I said he hates playing it. Not "he never puts effort in". He got me lynched when he was mafia and I was town not too long ago. But if he puts effort in although he hates it, why would he throw it all away then? Not even for a blue, but for a personal "HF you suck" thingy? Like a) he hates in but puts effort in -> genuine rage b) he hates in and doesn't put effort in -> fake rage We should lynch the red-check. Not the cop. | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:53 Holyflare wrote: Because he puts effort in and was in a good spot as mafia. Happy vivax. Then his team mate "randomly dies at deadline and Holyflare calls to lynch vivax 24/7". Demotivated. Yeah I get that. And after having checked his D1 and the pattern there (he's already pissed way earlier), I don't think the flip killed his motivation. I think it's how the flip happened. Vivax put in a lot of effort D1 already, checking other games, reading up these games, poking every now and then etc., going after people, and all of this was rendered useless because in his (and my) perspective, a rather random fidei lynch happened. | ||
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On June 07 2017 03:54 Holyflare wrote: I will play my trap card if you don't lynch vivax. Nobody wants that. and what would this super trap card be. a counterclaim of what. | ||
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On June 07 2017 04:00 Tubesock wrote: Mechanically this is an easy day. Lynch the red check. But they're right on Vivax having a reputation for not doing anything as scum and this is a great way to both not do anything and destroy the town by killing its leader. Hmm Vivax whole D1 was super contrary to "has a reputation for not doing anything as scum" | ||
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On June 07 2017 04:06 Holyflare wrote: Like how are you even reading the same game? You cannot write this and expect me to continue reading. nah HF you have my vote as long as no counter claim happens. | ||
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On June 07 2017 06:01 Grackaroni wrote: Here's the thing that I think people are overlooking: Vivax was pretty annoyed even before we consolidated on Fidei. So he's mad beforehand that people aren't killing BH for doing nothing, and then he finds out that his read on Fidei was bad and now people are scum reading him. He thinks that he was one of the only ones who put good reasoning and effort into his pushes this game and that other people just got rewarded for playing stupidly. People that think this would be a good strategic play to try to trade 1 for 1 with HF are completely off the mark. Vivax was in a worse spot than he was yesterday but he was very far from the definite lynch today. I think he is legitimately angry and most of the time the angry player is just a butt-hurt townie. (I also don't think he's mafia just because he has had a pretty similar thought process to me throughout the game and has backed up a lot of my reads.) Exactly my thoughts. Im not lynching Vibax over Hf. No way. | ||
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On June 07 2017 17:24 Holyflare wrote: If vivax is town 100% btdt is mafia. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi?user=beentheredonethat&page=5 Whole filter is being a hipster calling vivax town against everyone, quoting posts to town read him and saying he'll lynch me first and vivax after. holy screenshot that, and please lynch Vivax, and if he flips town, me, so I can rub that "100%" shit in your righteous face | ||
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I'm ded already I kinda wanna flip right now so I don't have another 72 hours or so of having to read how bad/scummy I am for defending a un-cc'ed claim | ||
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really last game I've played, period fuckers bye | ||
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I'll be back in a bit but right now, I really need to fix some issues apparently. | ||
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On June 07 2017 18:00 Blazinghand wrote: sorry if I made this unfun for you and you're town and saying this and not scum faking. If I really did make this unfun for you as town, with my suggestion that you might hypothetically be scum under some circumstances, i'm sorry. I dont' want to drive people away from TL Mafia and if I actually am doing that I'll legit stop playing. I'm really sorry dude Of course you made this unfun for me. Everyone who says I'm scum makes it unfun to me. But that's really my problem and nothing you can actively work on. | ||
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On June 07 2017 18:04 Holyflare wrote: I really don't get it. This is a game where accusations are thrown in your face constantly. Nobody has perfect information other than mafia. It's not uncommon that you get accused at any point in the game and from my perspective I knew vivax's claim was fake all along. So of course I'm going to be suspicious of people that want to set up a lynch train on both of us if vivax flips town. Which was you at that point in time. That's right, I know. It's just that all I tried to avert the Vivax lynch (and it was a lot, including filter diving and heated discussion) was useless because it ran into the brick wall of BH/HF who weren't even willing to reconsider. The thread wasn't interested in it, then the whole cc/rescind/rescind shit happened, and now I get scumread for defending a un-cc'ed cop and saying that as soon as he's cc'ed or rescinds, he should be the lynch. And I still think that. Why would I push so heavily for Vivax being town if I have full information? I'd know that either my teammate wanted to trade - which failed - so why go out of my way to lose the game in such a fashion? Or, I'd know this is town vs. town, so I could just let everyone go on with a super wasted D2, resulting in at least one mislynch. I'd be super fine and could set myself up for the next days. And given that besides BH, HF and me, noone was rather active on D2, this is very likely what happened. There's 1-2 mafia out there (depending on Vivax being scum or not) that are right now super under the radar. | ||
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Assuming BH, HF, Vivax and me are all town and mafia is in the rather low volume players and having a good laugh about how town is currently screwing over itself. That leaves: Tubesock, Tumblewood, LightningStrike, Grackaroni, ritoky, Prison Break, Conversion. Now Tumblewood is the blue claim. The doctor. However, the nightkill was Onegu. Now keep in mind that the OP clearly says that the doctor cannot heal himself - so either scum didn't believe the doctor claim and did a potential medic dodge - or Tumblewood fakeclaimed to stay alive. So right now, Tumblewood is un-cc'ed and the only claim. town!HF's move of "hey, not gonna tell the exact role so I don't out the "real" blue just in case" was actually really cool. Tumblewood let the whole D2 pass so far and didn't care too much about this game ALTHOUGH he's the claimed doctor and should be highly interested in finding out potential N2 heal targets, right? Mafia didn't kill him N1, so maybe he'll get another heal of. There might of course be other thinking patterns but this is one that I'd find likely to have as doctor. Grackaroni - I'm currently putting him on the town pile. He worded exactly why I didn't want to lynch Vivax in a way that I really liked and I fully agreed with his thought process here. I quoted the post that I mean already, it's somewhere in my filter. Might be a bit too easy to townread here but I'll do it anyways. LightningStrike - I still have no particular impression on what he's done so far. Townreads Tubesock, Grack, ritoky. He says that "HF vs. Vivax feels like town vs. scum" with a tendency to Vivax playing the scum part - what happened to that read D2? But then again, he was early to switch to fidei, plus: On June 05 2017 08:58 LightningStrike wrote: I not feeling good about this switch to james now with everyone jumping on broad. I think this is a genuine town post. His last appearance here was almost 24 hours ago so it's time for him to come back. Tubesock has a full three pages of filter, mostly one liners that are not really amazing. I don't know why people townread that guy. But then again he was second on the Fidei wagon which should give him a lot of town cred. In that thought experiment, our lynches should be between ritoky, Prison Break, Conversion. Those are at least the guys and gals to look into. | ||
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On June 07 2017 20:46 Vivax wrote: This post totally doesn't look like you wanted to write a lot more and then realized that nothing else came to mind? ;p 5 empty lines Close :D I chose to put it in a seperate post. On June 07 2017 20:47 Holyflare wrote: Or mafia deleting scummy sentences! (plz don't run away btdt :D) <3 | ||
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On June 07 2017 22:41 Conversion wrote: OK I just woke up and I'll be reading through filter's since it looks like Vivax actually posted something since the last time I read. @BTDT Could you actually make a read on me/PB/ritoky? I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on us 3 tbh and I'm interested in being evaluated for my play so far, which hasn't been stellar because this whole claiming play just made the game unfun for me so I took a longer break. Also where is PB? He promised to be more active and has posted nothing so far. Can I get a list of your reads so far? I'll post mine soon after this post. My filter has reads on ritoky and PB and I think even on you :O | ||
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On June 07 2017 22:55 Conversion wrote: I meant in your thought experiment Also your point on me was "where am I" and here I am! Honestly I was F5'ing the thread pretty hard since my last post but nothing was happening so I went away from the thread and am catching up now.Also realized I didn't really make a lot of posts, so I guess that fits the "mafia letting town destroy themselves" so I'll try to be more active before deadline today, although from what I'm reading from the filter I still don't like Vivax's play... not sure if it's enough to autolynch him anymore but we'll see Oh in my thought experiment To be honest I'd lynch you and PB over ritoky right now | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:03 Holyflare wrote: Let's be real here, lynching anyone but vivax today is a travesty to the game of mafia. Bah. Bah, for real. Before Vivax unclaimed, lynching Vivax as the claimed cop would've been a travesty to the game of mafia. Now you say "uh I think he's town but I'll stick with it and lynch him anyways". No! If you genuinely think he is town, then you are perfectly capable of talking people out of the lynch. It's things like this that make me mad, you know. | ||
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When Vivax had claimed: "Let's lynch the cop over the red-check" When Vivax unclaimed: "I think he's town but let's lynch him anyways" Take a step back guys and realize: we all townread Vivax apparently because what he did was bad as scum as well as as town. Like, really bad. Not just a bit bad. And while we all want to see blood, we won't fare well if we lynch a townie today. I'd lynch a lurker (yo, Prison Break, that's you) over Vivax any time. And of course I'll take the second nomination for worst player 2017 if it turns out I hard defended scum twice :D | ||
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On June 03 2017 21:32 Prison Break wrote: Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking extremely early game, unless if he's just trying to move the game forward in which case it's not a scumtell Tumblewoods initial response seemed forced, but the way he got to a townread after it is something I see town do when they realize a push is bad, or scum when they fear people will be onto them. But if tumblewood was scum wouldn't he realize his push was thin to say the least? Like I don't see how he has scum would make such a push just to retract it after, I don't think there was enough pressure on him to already back off from it. Based on this I conclude his change of mind was genuine not calculated, so leaning town on tumblewood despite me not liking his post initially. At least he's also trying to move the game forward which is worth something. going to throw this out here cause I may be able to get something out of it, and it may help me make reads on people as well: what are some ways to go about catching scum, especially early game? I don't expect/want people to make an entire list because mafia will adapt, but I think a few examples or short answers will help the game move forward. I'll start off, in my experience who I think are "extremely scummy" often end up being town, and the extremely active/inactives as well (although this one isn't a golden rule), and often the people I nullread end up being scum. I think this is because scum wants to blend in and doesn't try to play as townie or as scummy as possible but somewhere in the safe middle. I think last game that would be true for myself as well. The first person PB speaks about is Fidei. Within like 2 sentences, then goes on to rant a lot about how Tumbleweed is something? Only to never pick up his points on Fidei again, but of course pressuring me once he realized ritoky was after me. He doesn't care to really push me though he's just happy to have his vote on me and doesn't care about much else. On June 05 2017 02:34 Prison Break wrote: I will post a list of my reads today - I like where my vote is now (based on page 1/14, reading the rest now) he didn't On June 05 2017 08:45 Prison Break wrote: Really everytime I check the thread nothing happens, and when I'm away it has 20+ pages when I come back lol. I'll see what i can do for now and the reads I won't be able to get to I will post tomorrow he did nothing (besides a votecount, wtf) On June 05 2017 09:18 Prison Break wrote: LOL I thought I was the lynch, but I got flood control'd and couldn't defend myself, I'm so glad we lynched fidei and that he rolled scum rofl ok I will use this night to catch up and post a list he didn't On June 05 2017 09:39 Prison Break wrote: I mean how many scum are there. I assume 3? one was fidei. Maybe one was AFK. So you make any conclusions on this based off literally 1 person who did or didn't fight it? It's even in the OP. Three. You should know. You played in Generic II, and you are coached, and you could've asked your coach about this, and you could've read the OP. This is a super constructed dumbtell. On June 06 2017 02:08 Prison Break wrote: This is suspicious and doesn't realize I tried to kill fidei and HF says I could be scum etc. - why do you think the entire scumteam is trying to kill each other? I think this is very scummy and I wonder if you realized it or just call people scum. You didn't try to kill him. In the final vote count, your vote is not on him. You also didn't push him. + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Final Vote Count Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood (2): Prison Break (2): Conversion, beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, Vivax (1): LightningStrike (1): Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni (0): Holyflare (0): Conversion (0): Fidei86 will be lynched. + Show Spoiler [Big wall of nothing] + On June 06 2017 09:15 Prison Break wrote: I'll be honest I'm not caught up so I haven't read any questions directed at me I filtered some people that were the primary lynch targets and gave my opinion on them No I haven't posted a list but I have given reads on at least half the players which is something I'm sorry for not engaging as much as I'd like to, it's more because of being busy / I find it hard to read through everything ( like I could read through it quickly, but I prefer to keep looking for connections and read things thoroughly so I tend to read back and filter people while reading, some people take that as me "coming up with the right conclusions based on nothing", but I can tell you if I were mafia I would've just dropped random reads and posts every now and then. But right now I want to actually only post when I'm caught up / when I have good reads because I'm not scum this game. ) I think a lot of people are biased because of last game, and when you realize Tumblewood would've been the lynch prior to claiming, HF has a lot of suspicion, and people want me dead or are suspiciouos of me, I'd say that is the exact scumteam of last people and people should look if we're actually scum again or that it's just a bias. Like I said my scumread on beentheredonethat is strong, if he has done anything in the last pages that I haven't read yet then I may reconsider, but, he did a lot of really scummy stuff early on which I pointed out so something really crazy would have had to happen for me to change my mind on him. I think it's also scummy that people are saying that I can be scum while completely ignoring the Fidei86 flip. Yes I "bussed" HF last game but read the quicktopic and you'll see that: - I asked peoples stances on bussing/hard defending, and HF clearly said he is cool with either - Later on, he said "keep the pressure, I like the pressure, I'm not getting lynch" etc. - He would get alive=scummed eventually anyway - I was the roleblocker, he was vanilla - Fidei was godfather - HF townread me that game while I scumread him, in this game, Fidei was suspicious of me and I responded by calling him out on his behavior. Doesn't that make sense? Fidei as scum pushing a lot of people for "lurking", me calling him out and pushing for his lynch, beentheredonethat attacking me for it and saying Fidei is town. Like how does this not make sense from a me being town and fidei + possibly beentheredonethat being scum? Explain that to me please. Also explain why I would be so hesistant to post: last game I would make shit up and recklessly vote during night phases, post random reads, sometimes without explanation, etc. Right now I'm clearly trying to actually put effort in the content of what I say....rather than the presentation of it. I'm sorry if i come off desinterested, I'm not, I just couldn't get myself to read through everything + I am busy I'll try to get as far as I can and will drop my thoughts, I did plan on dropping a list, but for now I think beentheredonethat is scum and vivax is someone I want to look into more. And I've given a lot of townreads that I still think are town as well but I'll filter them to confirm Self-explanatory. Claims to have filtered people he doesn't like (that's basically me) and admits to not have done anything and excuses. wow. amazing! On June 06 2017 11:40 Prison Break wrote: I am filtering some people and here are some hard townreads: Tumblewood - had him townread prior to claim, then un cc'd blue, probably alive because rb Tubesock - wants to go for vivax/btdt with I agree with despite him saying earlier he wouldnt, or didnt know how to feel about them, which seems like town progressing his reads, 2nd vote on Fidei Blazinghand - town, explained this earlier LightningStrike - "I town here I ready to redeem myself for what happened last!" motived start. Called out "James" early on. Saying he needs to keep an eye on me instead of actually saying what I do is scummy gives him towncred as well. stuff such as "Also btdt's argument is pretty dumb but don't think it makes him scum necessary. It just a dumb argument I feel." shows he at least tries to consider things from multiple angels. "Anyways we do need to figure out who we lynching today since EoD is in 8 hours." tries to keep town on the right track. Voted Fidei at some point. Okay, so you have lots of town reads, fine, but why don't you then filter the others who should at least be scummy to you then, right? right? On June 06 2017 13:32 Prison Break wrote: yea so based on my reads I'm not buying this claim but I want to hear from HF + see if someone CC's (unless if grack is right on him being VT, I really suck at judging these sandbag things you guys do here rofl, where I usually play lie=die) ????? "Based on me scumreading BTDT and townrteading a bunch of others, I am not buying this claim!" ?????????? | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:14 Tumblewood wrote: sorry, I get what you're saying, but even if I knew for a fact vivax was town I would still do this. not that I've ever seen a bad fakeclaim and didn't think the guy was likely mafia, but I have too much respect for myself to prioritize a slightly better chance of the win over letting people get away with this shit So you're rather the guy who kicks the player who just TK'ed with a dumb nade and go on to lose 6-16 instead of saying "ah, bra, let's make the best out of it and try". salty cyka | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:26 beentheredonethat wrote: So you're rather the guy who kicks the player who just TK'ed with a dumb nade and go on to lose 6-16 instead of saying "ah, bra, let's make the best out of it and try". salty cyka and you even call it self respect :O | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:14 Blazinghand wrote: yeah basically when we think about "who is desperate and angry" after the glorious D1 shenanny it's definitely Mafia—Vivax is coming from a scum mindset FWIW I still scumread Vivax and I think what he did can only come from a scum mindset. It's possible he could be incredibly angry, irrational, self-sabotaging anti-town town, but I don't think it's the case. I think if we lynch him he will flip scum. If he is town, we shouldn't lynch him. No excuses. If he is scum, we should lynch him. No excuses. He is scum. So? Let's lynch him. If someone says he's Town and ALSO wants to lynch him this is unacceptable strategy/mindset. Yeah. I think he's town. I'll be the auto lynch if he flips red :D (and probably if he flips green too) at this point so why not ride or die and brag post game if he flips green? | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:18 Tumblewood wrote: if you're scum and you have 6 votes on you a few hours from deadline are you just gonna stick with a claim no one believes? you've gotta do everything you can to make people second-guess it. He didn't drop it because "yo I don't get through with it", he dropped it because HF counter-claimed. That counter claim nails him as the thread wants to lynch him even WITH his claim. so stick with it -> die, or rescind -> try. which is doable for both alignments, thus rendering your argument irrelevant. | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:31 ritoky wrote: Who do you think is with PB? Hf? Hm dunno to be honest I'd say tubesock but he was #2 to jump on Fidei so - no. hm I don't have a super clear "that guy is scum with PB" thought available, it's more like there's a range of people that could be it. That range is pretty much everyone except TW (claimed doc), Grack, LS, (HF) Hf is brackets because he was super late on fidei Grack/LS hammered fidei and I don't see scum do that leaves a rather short range of people | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:37 ritoky wrote: he effectively was, he just hopped off at the last minute to do some funsie shit. ah sorry, only read the final vote count and didn't look in detail. | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:37 ritoky wrote: he effectively was, he just hopped off at the last minute to do some funsie shit. erm no wait http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523517-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi-voting-thread?user=Blazinghand No. at no point was his vote on fidei | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:39 Holyflare wrote: I think he's mafia I just get those paranoia moments and conspiracy theory moments and like to hedge my bets. Which is uncharacteristic for you but it feels good that I'm not the only one. | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:40 Holyflare wrote: He asked if he was needed pretty early and then when people said no just voted elsewhere. But there's no vote. There's no pressure if there's no vote. It's like "I promise to do things". I think since BH didn't actually vote, he shouldn't gain town cred. I think we should at least re-read Blazinghand's end of day and check very thoroughly if there was honest and real commitment to the Fidei lynch. The fact that his vote wasn't on Fidei makes me feel very uncomfortable. | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:42 ritoky wrote: The problem isn't that I don't think your case on PB is good, the problem is that no one has said anything to convince me how vivax's play comes from a town pov. There isn't a real argument for Vivax being town besides what he did is objectively bad for scum. Of course that play is objectively even worse as town, and since we all don't want to say "Vivax, you're bad and you suck", we all want to see him flip red. The main thing why I think he is green is that I got nominated for 2017 worst play when I fakeclaimed as town to get not only the real doc but also myself lynched. So I can easily see a frustrated own player do that. I might very well be wrong. It's a gut feeling. Logic says "lynch Vivax" as there is no evidence on him being town and there are also legitimate points from D2 that he might just be frustrated over the seemingly random GF lynch in fidei. Holy shit I doubt my town read again >.< Obs qt must be having the time of its life | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:43 Holyflare wrote: No you absolutely lynch vivax today. Of course you're allowed to case people to lynch next cycle but today it's vivax. I just tried to look at this game from a perspective of someone not playing, not being invested, not being me. That perspective says pretty clearly "lynch Vivax" | ||
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Also to be perfectly honest here - if we don't lynch Vivax (or, technically, HF) anytime soon then this whole day is a waste. | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:48 Blazinghand wrote: I didn't commit to shit, I just said I'd swap if needed, decided I wasn't needed, voted vivax, and loled my way to the bank Well at least I gave you a lot of town cred because I was super certain you pushed Fidei. That's what I get for not reading properly. | ||
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Okay. Let's drop this. Am I correct in thinking that you think HF is town? And I also assume HF thinks BH's town? | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:56 Blazinghand wrote: Actually, this kind of non-committment is so obviously "scummy" that my willingness to say this and put myself out there in order to tell the truth is a town-tell imo But claiming your own town-tell means you're aware of it being a town-tell. It's not a "tell" if you're the one telling it. | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:04 LightningStrike wrote: Also btdt we have to settle HF vs Vivax today nothing more nothing less. This isn't HF vs Vivax anymore though. It's just Vivax vs his bad play. If "bad play" wins, he flips town, if not, he flips scum - or so, I guess you get the point | ||
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On June 08 2017 07:24 Holyflare wrote: That's just because of the meta changes. New thrall looks good on ptr. I was never particularly good on him. New thrall? But I like old thrall. | ||
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On June 08 2017 09:03 Blazinghand wrote: Well, as I said all along, Vivax could have flipped any alignment but it needed to be done. This directly opposes what you said like 2 hours ago, when you basically implied "If I would townread him, I wouldn't lynch him." That fakeclaim though. | ||
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On June 08 2017 08:38 Prison Break wrote: For what it's worth I feel like the people not townreading me are doing it cause of me being scum last game mainly. It's no coincidence that you, me and TW all get heavy pressure I feel like people are just ignoring a lot of stuff, like point out scummy things I'm doing, no they ignore Fidei vs me, and the fact my opinion/reads are almost the same as a lot of people. And I'm still someone possible scum but I don't see any good arguments for it That said I do have a problem keeping up with the thread That never happened. | ||
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On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote: You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum. Call me dumb but my D2 basically was: 1. Believe a claim without CC 2. Not scumread Vivax for the fake claim, especially since he rescinded. In retrospective, the point where he rescinded should've made things clear: why does he rescind in the first place? To save himself? Impossible. So why does he rescind? Because HF claimed blue. Vivax does not have perfect information, so he believes the claim. At this moment, Vivax thinks "fuck, not only have I incorrectly faked a red check, but I have also outed the 2nd blue". So all he can do to save that potential second blue is un-claiming, thus allowing HF to also unclaim - or of course at least not get lynched and survive another night due to Tumblewood-doc being alive. The rescind was a town tell. | ||
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On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote: You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum. Also one more thing: tone-wise, this quoted piece is like "hey, we all wanted it, we all needed it, so it had to happen", brushing off any guilt. But you, BH, never believed in Vivax being cop in the first place. You actively pushed for a lynch, supporting HF super heavily, yet you say you're not townreading him. That's super suspicious. Also note how HF is a total mistery to us now. Whew. Okay. I'll go to bed now, it's 2 AM in the morning here. Blabla setup speculation: if there's a vig in, PB, BH, HF are all solid targets. Maybe even me although I think my D2 should've made pretty clear that I'm town. | ||
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On June 08 2017 09:13 Prison Break wrote: I remember multiple people saying the flip didn't affect me, didn't change their thoughts on me, or similar things Can you please provide proof for the bolded part in the originally quoted post? | ||
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On June 08 2017 08:57 Blazinghand wrote: Thought process being used here: 1) assume Tumblewood is real Doctor 2) Assume we only have two blues 3) Vivax claims Cop 4) Now, a hidden Cop thinks, "Vivax must be scum, because I am the real cop" 5) Enough time goes by, if it looks Vivax won't get lynched, the hidden cop counterclaims to make it true 6) this is really convenient for Scum Vivax, because now his final teammate catches a cop 7) this gets averted by HF's fake blueclaim not saying this is true, but this is the thought process From your pre-flip perspective, why shouldn't this be true? This is exactly the scenario that justified your vote on Vivax. Why are you not saying it is true? What else should've been there, pre-flip? 1. You did not vote Fidei 2. You did actively push a mislynch on Vivax That BH/HF scenario from Vivax is perfectly possible in my mind. But I'm really worried about lynching into two of the most active players. Nevertheless, BH, imho you don't have too much towniness to yourself. Then again, you could've pushed me over the line but you were a great help for me to calm down, although at times, it felt like you even overstretched. Humm dumm. I feel like Treebeard humm-homming over things. | ||
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On June 08 2017 09:14 Blazinghand wrote: This was a joke post. this was a joke post. I was joking Blabla. I mean you scumreading Vivax is like super consistent, you wanted to lynch him D1 already. I think your voting thread filter has ##vote Vivax and maybe an ##unvote somewhere. | ||
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On June 08 2017 09:19 Prison Break wrote: This is your post after fidei's flip, which completely ignores the fact I wanted him dead and he was calling me out as well. Like it doesn't clear me out, of course, but I'd expect at least more than "k I still think this". For example last game I would also do this to sicklurker, and I was also scum there. Scum doesn't have incentive to change their mind after a flip, Town does. And I remember multiple people make posts like this, really I don't feel like digging them all up, unless if you actually think I'm lying / calling me out on it then I will. But right now I'd prefer to spend my time rereading what happened last X pages. Dude. Let me make it super clear: which completely ignores the fact I wanted him dead So here is what I want you to do: [big]Show me where you wanted him dead.[/show] | ||
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On June 08 2017 09:19 Prison Break wrote: This is your post after fidei's flip, which completely ignores the fact I wanted him dead and he was calling me out as well. Like it doesn't clear me out, of course, but I'd expect at least more than "k I still think this". For example last game I would also do this to sicklurker, and I was also scum there. Scum doesn't have incentive to change their mind after a flip, Town does. And I remember multiple people make posts like this, really I don't feel like digging them all up, unless if you actually think I'm lying / calling me out on it then I will. But right now I'd prefer to spend my time rereading what happened last X pages. Dude. Let me make it super clear: which completely ignores the fact I wanted him dead So here is what I want you to do: Show me where you wanted him dead. | ||
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On June 08 2017 09:20 Blazinghand wrote: MY. VOTE. WAS. ON. VIVAX. AT. END. OF. DAY. 2. I know. You're misunderstanding me; that's a positive thing I'm mentioning | ||
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On June 08 2017 09:20 Prison Break wrote: When filtering you I also came across the post again where you mentioned that we have a cop check and a red check and you were surprised I voted you (after I explained it) almost starting to wonder if you had perfect information (both vivax / HF being town?) Do you have any scumreads that do not start with b and end with tdt? What do you think about HF? What do you think about BH? Now that Vivax flipped, given that almost everyone voted Vivax, would you consider some of these die-hard Vivax voters to have perfect information (pre counter claim/rescind drama) or is it just me who has perfect information? Or, long story short: can you actually not only a) come in thread when I push you b) scumread me but also play the game so you get more readable and town profits? | ||
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I'm pretty sure HF is town. | ||
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Tubesock (voting Fidei #2) Tumblewood (blue claim, un-cc'ed, voting Fidei #3) Grackaroni (had the exact same thoughts about Vivax pre-claim as me, voting Fidei #4 - hammer?) Holyflare (#1774) Leaves: ritoky LightningStrike (But I think I townread him for some reason earlier already, didn't I?) Blazinghand Conversion (who disappeared) Prison Break (cased) Is it so easy that a) both newbies are scum together AND both voted outside the scum wagon D1? | ||
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On June 09 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote: Aight I'm happy with pb. Don't lynch him plz. But why? He didn't put up a good defense, content-wise. He just threw out some posts, including super OMGUS'ing me. He says "Hey, I put up a fight with Fidei" because he wrote three (3) sentences about Fidei over 5 pages of filter. The only possible reason you can have here to not scumread him is that he's a townie that draws very wrong conclusions. In that case, HF, you always call people bad and you did it already. This, together with your weird stance on Vivax ("Gut says town but I'll lynch him anyways") makes me really question your alignment. | ||
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On June 09 2017 03:02 Holyflare wrote: I'm gonna shoot you ls. It's super stressful to read into your 20 page filter because it has almost completely situational stuff in there, and oneliners like this. It would be of great help if you'd put in the effort to add a "because" to your sentences. | ||
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On June 09 2017 01:58 LightningStrike wrote: The reason I don't think you're scum though PB is your a lot more messy in terms of your posts this game than last game where you were pretty clean there in comparison. Yeah, I agree with this. | ||
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On June 09 2017 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote: The really weird thing is that it's almost day 3 and I cannot remember any scumreads nor any pushes from Holyflare. Of course not saying there aren't some (because angry HF jumps my throat) but I don't think HF every bothered actively pushing for someone. | ||
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On June 09 2017 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote: The really weird thing is that it's almost day 3 and I cannot remember any scumreads nor any pushes from Holyflare. Of course not saying there aren't some (because angry HF jumps my throat) but I don't think HF every bothered actively pushing for someone in a memorizable way* | ||
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The Vivax push doesn't count imho. D2 started with Vivax claiming cop and redcheck HF. HF was obliged to scumread Vivax. | ||
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On June 09 2017 03:21 LightningStrike wrote: He was pushing Vivax Day 1 well before the fake claim.... On June 09 2017 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote: EBWOP Of course not saying there aren't some (because angry HF jumps my throat) but I don't think HF every bothered actively pushing for someone in a memorizable way* | ||
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On June 09 2017 03:21 LightningStrike wrote: He was pushing Vivax Day 1 well before the fake claim.... On June 09 2017 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote: EBWOP Of course not saying there aren't some (before angry HF jumps my throat) but I don't think HF every bothered actively pushing for someone in a memorizable way* EBWOP, once again | ||
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On June 09 2017 03:39 Holyflare wrote: You think I didn't push anyone in a memorable way but somehow sheeped my tw case day 1??? Like literally quoted my tmi compendium and said it was convincing. And day 2 doesn't count. And you say i haven't pushed anyone???? I did not sheep your tw case day 1. I spent D1 crying, whining, and generally being bad. "And day 2 doesn't count" what A vig should really really shoot HF. | ||
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On June 09 2017 04:09 Holyflare wrote: How does knowing my alignment figure out the game more? You think I could do the best cc claim you've seen in a while as mafia? And no I'm nit talking about grack saying btdt afkd. There was someone who said he raged as mafia. Hm that's right though. I should go back to the "meh I'll lock town HF now" stance | ||
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I didn't even realize that this was "your" push I townread ritoky for pushing me back then stop being nitpicky about shit | ||
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On June 09 2017 04:12 Holyflare wrote: Amazing how you suddenly forget my push that you complimented, were ready to jump on, was pretty much the biggest part of this game so far. The amazing push that made the doctor claim and potentially be roleblocked into oblivion or mislynched, that one, right? | ||
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On June 09 2017 04:21 Holyflare wrote: ??? ?????? ?????????.? Says i haven't done anything memorable. Gets called out with facts. Stop being nitpicky. Dafuk. ![[image loading]](https://media0.giphy.com/media/2IsUUBEO7q704/giphy.gif) You're a toxic prick and it's not enjoyable to play with you. Byyyye | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/940/spongebobicon.jpg){kind=icon} LiNk mE | ||
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On June 09 2017 04:29 Holyflare wrote: I don't think i was toxic in this interaction at all (maybe the last post was a bit harsh). You called for me to get shot, posted multiple falsehoods and when I said that this wasn't the case by simply linking your own posts I get told it's nitpicky. That is a confusing turn of events to say the least and doesn't make sense to me so I'm going to naturally be confused. My post was not toxic by any stretch of the imagination as I in no way insulted you or your play but rather the content you posted. You're right. | ||
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His appearance around D2 flip time was super bad, he's not really contributing etc. but I also don't wantto give PB a town pass because all he did was come in, defend himself in a weird way, piss off again. he's super low volume. same for conversion. I think in my filter, there's somewhere a list of people (5-6) that I don't have as locked towns. we should work on that list, it's good. | ||
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On June 08 2017 09:36 beentheredonethat wrote: So, my town list: Tubesock (voting Fidei #2) Tumblewood (blue claim, un-cc'ed, voting Fidei #3) Grackaroni (had the exact same thoughts about Vivax pre-claim as me, voting Fidei #4 - hammer?) Holyflare (#1774) Leaves: ritoky LightningStrike (But I think I townread him for some reason earlier already, didn't I?) Blazinghand Conversion (who disappeared) Prison Break (cased) Is it so easy that a) both newbies are scum together AND both voted outside the scum wagon D1? This one. This is a good list. | ||
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On June 09 2017 04:54 Prison Break wrote: I think the most suspicious thing is here who even believes beentheredonethat scumreads me despite me playing differently from last game? Like he's just tunneling me at this point. I want to believe he's town but I don't think he is. It also doesn't help that I have many townreads as well, I should look into them again in case I'm wrong on BTDT/conversion I like how me mentioning you always summons you into the thread. HF if you can seriously shoot, then shoot PB. | ||
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On June 09 2017 04:56 Prison Break wrote: like I'm not saying scum would always town or scumread me, but the reason has to be genuine, and it seems like btdt is kind of pissed off that I actually came in here to defend myself etc. and people are starting to townread me now. like he doesn't want to let go but he doesn't feel comfortable continuing his push either. but he never really reconsiders. I don't even know what he scumreads me for anymore Okay. Okay. Can you please do one thing for me: list every single player in the game that is alive and kicking. Next to the name, put in one word what your read on them is. Scum/Town/Null. Please do that. Please. | ||
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On June 09 2017 04:56 Prison Break wrote: like I'm not saying scum would always town or scumread me, but the reason has to be genuine, and it seems like btdt is kind of pissed off that I actually came in here to defend myself etc. and people are starting to townread me now. like he doesn't want to let go but he doesn't feel comfortable continuing his push either. but he never really reconsiders. I don't even know what he scumreads me for anymore No really I cannot get over this shitty shit of a post. "like I'm not saying scum would always town or scumread me" What the actual fuck do you mean with that? "but the reason has to be genuine, and it seems like btdt is kind of pissed off that I actually came in here to defend myself etc. and people are starting to townread me now" The reason for someone to read you town or scum has to be genuine. Okay, I understand that. I have several reasons for why I scumread you. You say I'm pissed off that you came in here to defend yourself? No! I think that's great! But your defense is in no way making me town read you. On the contrary, the way you are making up things in your defense (such as "I pushed Fidei pretty hard" which is an outright exaggeration and can very well be seen as a lie) are making me feel better on my scumread. People are starting to townread you now? No! HF does so. For whatever, unstated, super weird reasons, he does so. I guess it's a tone thing or whatever. That is one. And am I mad about this? No, I am not. You need to realize that not everything I say or do is related to you, PB. Of course I'm wondering why HF is townreading you. Because HF said just 24 hours ago that my case on you is solid! So I'm wondering what made HF change his mind. Because I want to understand not only you, but also HF better. "like he doesn't want to let go but he doesn't feel comfortable continuing his push either. but he never really reconsiders" Why would I feel uncomfortable pushing you? Because HF townreads you? Would you please remember that I stated multiple times that I did believe Vivax claim (when everyone(!!!!!) was against Vivax) and that I even hard defended him once he rescineded his flip? Like if I was scum, why would I feel uncomfortable about pushing you if that's the thing people agree with? If that's the thing people townread me for? No, I do not feel uncomfortable! The hell?! Do I look like I reconsider you being scum here? If so, SORRY! It's just me not knowing everything and considering that I might be wrong. Right now, to me, my points have not been disapproved or something so I'm perfectly fine seeing you flip. Holy. " I don't even know what he scumreads me for anymor" How about you check my filter? There you have it multiple times even, partially in conversations, partially in a case. Holy moly. | ||
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On June 09 2017 04:54 Prison Break wrote: I think the most suspicious thing is here who even believes beentheredonethat scumreads me despite me playing differently from last game? Like he's just tunneling me at this point. I want to believe he's town but I don't think he is. It also doesn't help that I have many townreads as well, I should look into them again in case I'm wrong on BTDT/conversion Are you saying my scumread on you is fake? What makes you think that? Can you please point towards observations that are obviously (or not so obviously) made up? Can you please show the flaws in the logic I used to deduct that your behaviour makes you scum? Can you PLEASE do that instead of just saying "who even believes that" because you sound like Trump talking about climate change, holy shit | ||
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On June 09 2017 04:51 ritoky wrote: ![[image loading]](https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/04/045beec1d6a3a16f4fce014a0507ca1e5cdd9cab_full.jpg) don't, just don't. instead, be constructive. | ||
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On June 09 2017 04:33 Prison Break wrote: Grack said that, to which I said "Grack+btdt aren't a team" I love that post. It shows that you're actually reading the thread. The majority of your "reads" and posts does make the impression you're not reading the game. However, although not actively posting very much, you pick that very post from HF, because it suits your current "oh, btdt is scum" pattern. You don't even care if the fake rage I put up as scum in Host Revenge is similar to what I'm doing here. You're just bringing it up because hell, you need something to paint btdt red. | ||
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Same questions for Grack/LS | ||
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On June 09 2017 05:22 Blazinghand wrote: ----> Cool! Two posts where I wasn't, but the rest of my participation of the last 60 minutes was decent. Yours wasn't. | ||
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On June 09 2017 05:37 Blazinghand wrote: I ain't being all high and mighty about it. I own it. Legit. Be more like me. I just realized now that this was BH and not ritoky. I thought ritoky quoted these two posts. | ||
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On June 09 2017 05:38 Blazinghand wrote: Though like to be fair, I really thought about not making that post cause I didn't want to upset you, but it needed to be said. If you're gonna shit up the thread, own it. If you're gonna whine about people shitting up the thread within like 10 posts of you shitting up the thread, expect to get called out. Yeah it's fine. I thought ritoky was the one calling me out for it because he'd then be called out for being here but not here. | ||
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On June 09 2017 06:53 ritoky wrote: btdt i townread you ENTIRELY based on your emotional play to me. if you did that as mafia i am willing to lose to it, but i will not be happy with you post-game. I did that as mafia but to be perfectly honest even the rage that I do as mafia is most of the time genuine. I just take things super personally and I hate being called bad | ||
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On June 09 2017 07:02 ritoky wrote: btdt should be grack, not btdt. holy I was already thinking like "wtf this is all wrong" | ||
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forgetting fidei in his list post is a town tell. you don't forget your teammates. you simply don't. I'm super sure grack is town and the more happens, the more I am certain. well good night now | ||
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Ritoky being cop feels reasonable, HF being vig meh okay ill take it. | ||
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Tumblewood saves ritoky ritoky checks someone HF shoots Tumblewood Only one action can be roleblocked. We need to pray that no framer is in of course. If Tumblewood gets roleblocked, we see what he flips AND ritoky gets another check off. If ritoky gets roleblocked, we get a Tumblewood flip AND confirm HF If HF gets roleblocked, we get another check for ritoky and have most likely a fakeclaim in Tumblewood I am pretty sure I haven't thought this scenario through. But if we can somehow find out via night actions who of the three is fakeclaiming, then we can lynch outside of the claims today and do not need to gamble on a fake claim. If we cannot find out via coordinated night actions who the fake claim is, then I'd suggest we just lynch Tumble. ritoky claim makes a lot of sense, his checks make a lot of sense. If Tumble flips doc, HF should be the lynch straight away. | ||
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(for the record, PB kinda disappeared again, just like he did when claim discussion D2 was going on) I'm fairly confident that TW/PB is the scum team. | ||
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On June 09 2017 21:33 beentheredonethat wrote: What if Tumblewood saves ritoky ritoky checks someone HF shoots Tumblewood Only one action can be roleblocked. We need to pray that no framer is in of course. If Tumblewood gets roleblocked, we see what he flips AND ritoky gets another check off. If ritoky gets roleblocked, we get a Tumblewood flip AND confirm HF If HF gets roleblocked, we get another check for ritoky and have most likely a fakeclaim in Tumblewood I am pretty sure I haven't thought this scenario through. But if we can somehow find out via night actions who of the three is fakeclaiming, then we can lynch outside of the claims today and do not need to gamble on a fake claim. If we cannot find out via coordinated night actions who the fake claim is, then I'd suggest we just lynch Tumble. ritoky claim makes a lot of sense, his checks make a lot of sense. If Tumble flips doc, HF should be the lynch straight away. If Tumble flips doc AND ritoky is roleblocked gives me headache though because then it's not sure if vig!HF or scum!HF shot Tumble. | ||
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On June 09 2017 21:35 Holyflare wrote: There's no framer in the game. If mafia hold their shot it frames someone. oh right forgot about that | ||
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On June 11 2017 18:20 Holyflare wrote: Btdt is definitely without a doubt mafia Hahaha | ||
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Holy moly hf if I am scum, then ritoky must be scum with me. | ||
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On June 11 2017 19:27 Holyflare wrote: Ritoky has already outed as mafia hahahahahahahaha And still, youre wrong on me. I have read nothing besides flip and this very page. Shoot me if I am scum, wannabeblue | ||
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On June 11 2017 19:30 Holyflare wrote: I know, your team mate already said he's gonna kill me. :D :D :D Yawn Do you really think I would play so careless if I were scum? | ||
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On June 11 2017 09:05 ritoky wrote: Oh hell yes I am just going to shoot you. There's like 8 holes in my shitty claim that I have no real means of explaining away. I have no fucking clue why anyone bought it. Holy Thats against his win condition and I expect ban list actions. Haha HF i can so understand you say I slipped but I simply haven't read the thread. Well ill just afk if I really am the lynch tomorrow and I will just brag post game. Dumb game right here | ||
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On June 11 2017 19:35 Holyflare wrote: Only mafia cares about their team outing. Böablablablablablavlablablala la lablabl bye | ||
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I am not going to put in more unenjoyable effort now since people will now auto on me next day, thanks, HF. Enjoy the game without me and already count with one mislynch less. | ||
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On June 11 2017 23:04 Prison Break wrote: Really btdt getting "mad" at ritoky outing himself gives it away Everyone is like "LOL" "WTF" etc. And he's like "ban him for throwing" You have valid points. I am mafia. You should lynch me. | ||
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HF is blue, no questions asked, and probably dead already. Please lynch me tomorrow so you can continue the game and not auto ritoky then on me and then after like 100+ hours try read these pages again. | ||
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N4: HF gonna be dead probably. D5: LS, Grack, Tubesock, PB, Conversion, ritoky, beentheredonethat. Then, me. N5: Then one of LS/Grack/Tube/PB/Conversion. D6 Mislynch 1 - 4 town, 1 scum. N6 3 town 1 scum Mislynch 2 game over. okay, so you guys have two mislynches. If you were able to correctly read me, then even three. But you choose to make me scum because ritoky is scum. ahhahahaha this is a mafia win, predicting it now. | ||
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Lightningstrike: 13 (14 as town in Generic II) Grackaroni: 11 (15 as town in Generic II) Conversion: 6 Prison Break: 9 (6 as scum in Generic II) Just based on activity, the lynches should be Tubesock and Conversion. | ||
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On June 04 2017 08:46 Conversion wrote: re: post above I'm glad that both Vivax and Grack read me slightly as town, but I think I want to read more into their interaction and presence on the board before making definite assessments. I think Tubesock is pretty dodgy-- he opened up lightly with some jokey posting, but has no real good presence on the game right now. I'm surprised people are letting him fly under the radar when he's asking other people who they think are scum/what they're reads are but not really giving any information for himself I think I stumbled over that post already D1 It's a scummy as fuck post | ||
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On June 12 2017 02:41 beentheredonethat wrote: I think I stumbled over that post already D1 It's a scummy as fuck post For the record, 6-page-filter-Tubesock is still dodgy but apparently, Conversion doesn't care anymore. but has no real good presence on the game right now. I'm surprised people are letting him fly under the radar This is happening all game but Conversion somehow forgot about this? | ||
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On June 04 2017 08:48 Prison Break wrote: Voted beentheredonethat Didn't like his initial "response" to me + his follow-up. "shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game." Excuse to not take responsibility for bad plays so people aren't allowed to scumread him based on "bad play" also a lot of other excuses for no play "I'll check this thread every now and then for the next 4-8 hours but don't expect too much" "no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner yes I'm going to bed now no I'm not scum" this is lazy play at best, but I could see it being scummy play as well. making a few pushes, laying low, mentioning it multiple times which could be overcompensating (afraid people will look into it? we're in the beginning stages of the game so I doubt this many excuses are needed) saying he's not scum obviously isn't a solid defense either also to clarify my stance on Fidei86, I think what he did could be scummy, and "moving the game forward" was a possible counterargument. But I'm not saying he's actually moving the game forward, it was something I was considering at the moment and wanted to give more time. Fidei86 instantly gave beentheredonethat towncreds (while multiple people were suspicious of it), which stands out, as well as beentheredonethat "attacking me" after I "attack" Fidei86. Possible scumteam? My 2nd choice to vote right now would be Fidei86. I think both Fidei86 and beentheredonethat are good vote choices right now. wow, re-reading D1 and INSTANTLY my feelings about PB are back. The bolded part reads exactly like "hey, lemme get towncred for scumreading my partner and also let's try to mislynch" but thats just me tunneling right | ||
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On June 04 2017 08:48 Conversion wrote: adding to prev post: yet btdt and fidei are readily pressuring me either for explaining my situation, or calling me scummy by making conclusions from my post that I can't really see from rereading my post oh shit I did something together with scum | ||
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At the time this happens I am under pressure. ritoky/fidei/conversion is quite possible | ||
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On June 04 2017 09:06 Holyflare wrote: Lynch Tumblewood. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Qs4OlEJ.png) | ||
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On June 04 2017 09:13 Conversion wrote: Understood! To summarize what I think: I think tubesocks is mafia. His contributions has so far been him trying to look like he is contributing. I believe he actually asked someone for their opinions on their reads without giving any of his own. I think Vivax and Grack are town. No real evidence, but I kept up with Generic II and they both just feel town to me right now with the way they're playing. Fidei might be scum, but I'm not sure. I find it really suspicious he's not giving me a benefit of the doubt and looking to push me as scum with one post on my end. Not saying I deserve a free town pass because I suck and I'm a newbie, but my experience in 2012 showed me that most experienced players ignored me as just that: a newbie until it became important for me to step up and contribute. PB is a neutral for me because the one game I saw him play here, I thought he was town in Generic II, and he's playing rather similarly. I want to say he's town right now. I have no idea how to read Tumble's aggression and BH's posts honestly. Those are probably the people I have the biggest opinions on. So Tubesock is his scumread. He doesn't care about him later on though. Vivax and Grack are town. He doesn't care about Vivax being town later on though. Fidei "might be scum but I'm not sure", so he busses a bit but not really? | ||
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On June 05 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Final Vote Count Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood (2): Prison Break (2): Conversion, beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, Vivax (1): LightningStrike (1): Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni (0): Holyflare (0): Conversion (0): Fidei86 will be lynched. I think we can assume LightningStrike is town here. Ritoky is like "I do my thing you faggots and I'm not gonna bus here" and I think it's not likely that he voted his teammate there. That leaves not many people outside of the Fidei train: me, Conversion, Prison Break. I am town and I do know this, can't say the same about Conversion and Prison Break. PB was kinda mad at me for scumreading him and continues to tunnel heavily on me, his vote makes sense. Conversion's vote does not exactly make sense because it should be on Tubesock, right? | ||
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That's why I was super happy in lynching TW (also because I thought he'd flip red but that's totally gut-based, exactly the same with Vivax, jsut the other way round). So of course I lynch HF, because not both scummers are voting outside of fidei, right, right?! but then this ritoky shit happens, okay, cool, one scummer down, so apparently BOTH scummers are outside of Fidei wagon. And ironically enough, I think it's not PB, I think it's conversion (but of course others think it's me, I also voted outside the wagon) | ||
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On June 11 2017 19:41 Tubesock wrote: *Turns out you can't post a post greater than 100,000 characters. Pt 1 of 3ish. Over the next 96 hours or so I'm going to be compiling what I can of the non-confirmed people. I think the rest will be much less detailed, this took way too long to get all the quotes in. I'll be doing about 1 per real life day for the day after ritoky's lynch. beentheredonethat The "towny" things that btdt has done is basically showed emotional rage and threatening to quit, and staying in a tunnel on basically 1 person all game. Neither make him town. I think his rage bit is set up and fake. He nitpicks Conversion for typing "b/c" and HF rightfully calls it ridiculous. Then btdt antagonizes a bit more (scumflare), and claims that people are calling him dumb/bad. When it wasn't till much much later. 400 or so posts later Onegu says he read the dumbest thing ever on TL Mafia and that was the "b/c" scumread. But btdt was already working himself up. His flip flop on Ritoky really looks like a partner who is mad that they got some suspicion. I'm still looking for actual reasons why he scumread Ritoky early on. It looks solely OMGUS and it's weak too. Seeing how btdt was a "cop check" it's so easy to see this world where they did this on purpose too. Ritoky could drop talking about btdt and later explain it, and btdt could just remain focused on killing the newbies. His scumread depth extends as deep as OMGUS and nitpicking. Oh, and Prison Break is "calm". Which is funny since he's playing the out of control emotion card so hard. btdt I don't think you're bad at all. I'd say you're better player than I am, but this game you have pretty good chances of flipping mafia. btdt's votes: Day 1 = Day 2 = Day 3 = Tumblewood His sheep of Ritoky makes no sense at all. Ritoky is town because Rit told btdt to talk about someone other than btdt or Conversion? That's enough to sheep someone for? What? Anyway, it's late. The rest is basically a rundown of btdt's filter for easier access to fact check. I will do a couple others in the coming days but likely a more truncated version of this one. I think btdt has good odds of flipping scum. I will check the others first though. Day 1 Page 1 (Not all post) + Show Spoiler [towns TW&TS; defends Grack] + On June 03 2017 23:21 beentheredonethat wrote: Tumblewood missing Tubesock's joke in disformation fashion, full frontal. I rate that as a towny thing. The joke itself is kinda NAI, too, but then again, why would scum start to push ahead a game when they can just rely on a lackluster game start with the EU people still asleep? I feel like Tubesock is town here, too. This post feels super weird. First of all, you're here as a newbie, you're not supposed to judge if something's "cool" or not, right? The content of your post is supercorrect yet super obvious, so you do not add any value at all to the discussion. I do agree with this post. Except I wouldn't put Grack on the scum pile yet because in Generic II, he played like this all game and was town. That's all fine and dandy but if you've been here for about an hour, why aren't you posting? + Show Spoiler [PB is wordy] + On June 03 2017 23:25 beentheredonethat wrote: This is weird, again. First thing: Hard statement. "Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking". Second thing: feels a bit wishy-washy but it also makes sense - then again, it's a lenghty version of "I don't think scum would do that so he must be town". Third thing: super irrelevant things. This is not a discussion about "how to play mafia". This is an actual game of mafia. PB is making a lot of words about not very much. + Show Spoiler [4 nonreads] + On June 03 2017 23:26 beentheredonethat wrote: I'll check this thread every now and then for the next 4-8 hours but don't expect too much On June 03 2017 23:56 beentheredonethat wrote: My motive is that I want to point out things I find to be weird. My problem is that I cannot judge right now if the things I find weird are scum or town indicative. Having read your posts in Generic II, I think it's rather easy to put you on the scum pile. On June 03 2017 23:56 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm really interested in finding out what others think about the points I mentioned. On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote: shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game. On June 04 2017 07:29 beentheredonethat wrote: no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner yes I'm going to bed now no I'm not scum + Show Spoiler [Towns LS] + On June 04 2017 23:03 beentheredonethat wrote: Hm okay. I like that point of view because you've been scum with him in generic II, so you're quite capable of judging it imho. I rate the "LS votes HF" thing townish for LS. ritoky is super investing into the HF filter quoted by LS which is a super town tell IMHO, I wouldn't put in that effort if I was scum. But I do know I'm lazy so.. meh, maybe ritoky isn't. But that plus the fact that ritoky fearlessly pushes around people (me), keeps on adding value etc, he's on the town pile. + Show Spoiler [Not "pushing" Conversion] + On June 04 2017 23:08 beentheredonethat wrote: Well I'm not exactly pushing you. It's more like it feels weird that you say "hey, I'm here" and then you leave again. That's just not helping. If you feel like helping, then at least make people ask you questions. "What do you think about the exchange of HF/TW?" "What do is your stance on Vivax?" this is something that helps making yourself more readable. You didn't especially invite people to ask those questions, on the contrary. You're saying "hey guys I'm somewhat playing" so everyone expects you to do things; except you're not doing things so boom, people even start scumreading you. "What about the others in here" is also not the greatest of things to say. There's no real reason for me to look into anyone right now as I didn't find too much that caught my attention as "super suspicious" (except for the PB thing, ofc), but somehow your "hi bras" post caught my attention. So, no, it's not "clutter" or "unproductive". On the contrary - my slight poke triggered a big "oh noes" post which contains a lot of speculation and "do not look at me". I'm totally fine with people looking into me. I'm town, after all, and I got nothing to hide, I don't have any restrictions in who I'm pushing etc. + Show Spoiler [ID Irony PB wishywashy] + On June 04 2017 23:17 beentheredonethat wrote: "Lacking a sense of humor" and "not identifying the irony" are completely different things. The first thing is the absence of the capability to laugh about something. Like "Hey, wow, I don't think it's funny that you make an ironic statement about the number of posts in this game". The second thing is "What the fuck are you talking about? There haven't been many posts in this game, why do you say there were many posts in this game?!" The second thing is exactly what happened. TW missed the irony. He simply "didn't get it". He did not find it "not humourous", he missed the joke. That is NAI at best. If you have your judgment there from "experience", then please point me to some games where you have made those experiences in. You've shown already you're willing to dig filters from other games, so go ahead. Yes, I have defended Grack and your interpretation of that is entirely possible. Not much to say against that. But it's of course possible that you interpret it that way because you want to scumread me. It's also entirely possible that I simply said this to make Vivax aware of something - especially since Grack was in LYLO in generic II and half the obs QT was sure he was scum. So much to that . What does "prods the new player" mean? As you might've realized, I'm not a native speaker. PBs reads at that point are wishy-washy, ritoky, and if you call that a solid read, then you're misrepresenting things. If there are more questions towards me coming from that case, feel free to ask, I'm here. + Show Spoiler [Rit pissed cause bad, BH RNG fishy] + On June 04 2017 23:18 beentheredonethat wrote: your whole case feels like you're pissed off over me being bad instead of having solid reasons for me being scum. Take a step back and reconsider? + Show Spoiler [<3 TS & Grack? Weird Conv Post] + On June 04 2017 23:26 beentheredonethat wrote: <3 On a more serious note though, I like your thought process quite a lot. It feels genuine. On June 04 2017 23:29 beentheredonethat wrote: One more super weird post that doesn't really add much. I might get tunneled and be over-"whatthefucked" by a newbie. But what if not? Page 2 + Show Spoiler [whoaX3 Conv is wordy, "whatthehe…] + On June 04 2017 23:32 beentheredonethat wrote: "I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand" whoawhoawhoa, so many words for not really much. What is hard to understand about "hey, you said you're here but you didn't do anything, so why say that you're here in the first place"? On June 04 2017 23:33 beentheredonethat wrote: My "whattheheck" feeling about Conversion keeps growing and growing + Show Spoiler [nitpicks phone vs pc posting] + On June 04 2017 23:35 beentheredonethat wrote: 1. You're on a phone 2. You're typing super long sentences with correct spelling and punctuation. 3. You go out of your way to even type "b/c" which on mobile should be harder to type then "because" You're either overly dedicated to correct spelling, punctuation, wording and what not - or you weren't typing from mobile and you're making excuses. + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 23:37 beentheredonethat wrote: Why do you mention the people that do townread you when you're asked the opposite thing? Why is Tubesock dodgy and why do you not scumread me although you said you'd almost do so in the posts just before? + Show Spoiler [HF U lazy bum; I'm bad 2017…] + On June 04 2017 23:38 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm reading up the pages I didn't read while I'm cooking. If you want to put me onto something, then quote it and ask me about it you lazy bum On June 04 2017 23:39 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm not a vet I'm a bad player, I already got nomination for 2017's worst play + Show Spoiler [lied typer; Rit town, 1gu town secret] + On June 04 2017 23:39 beentheredonethat wrote: I already lied about phone posting when I was scum so why wouldn't he do it? I used it as an excuse to not post what I think in full lenght On June 04 2017 23:41 beentheredonethat wrote: stuck on page 11, cooking is done. ritoky town hf dunno, can be both, if alive >D3, lynch with fire etc I don't care about pretty much everyone else, can be lynched except Onegu, for some super weird reason I think Onegu's town but I'm not gonna share this reason + Show Spoiler [not only here for shit, fine with dumb] + On June 04 2017 23:43 beentheredonethat wrote: ok. If you're interested in my opinion about something and not only here to give me some shit, feel free to ask me whatever you want. I'll read up pages 11-this once I've eaten. On June 05 2017 01:32 beentheredonethat wrote: so everyone's fine with sitting back and calling me dumb ok let me know if there's something interesting at any point+ Show Spoiler [PB cheap &stupid; let happen] + On June 05 2017 01:35 beentheredonethat wrote: ahahah these wagons mind my words: PB still voting me is so cheap and stupid. if he keeps coasting, hedging and overexplaining commonly known things, he should be lynched with fire it's not like I care though since I am bad x) sooooo yeah On June 05 2017 01:35 beentheredonethat wrote: Being VT is so super boring -.- On June 05 2017 01:35 beentheredonethat wrote: so yeah I'll just sit here and let this game happen. maybe I'll get some free towncred from that because why not. + Show Spoiler [suck as town; Rit town] + On June 05 2017 04:06 beentheredonethat wrote: im super good as scum i super suck as town story of my life + Show Spoiler [HF towns bt? PB scum soft calm] + On June 05 2017 04:21 beentheredonethat wrote: HF doesn't think my tunnel is genuine but it doesn't seem to be enough for him to push me so I assume he's townreading me? On June 05 2017 04:22 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm super fine with lynching PB, this guy smells like scum. The overall tone of his post is so super soft, so not-pushy, so calm, so zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz really lynch pb + Show Spoiler [Unholy/scumFlare & lynch PB] + On June 05 2017 04:27 beentheredonethat wrote: Wait wait wait you misrepresenting Unholycandle. 1st scumreading exclusively newbies is one thing but the game is to be continued for some time, right? not sure why it should be bad if I coincidentally start with newbies 2nd "refusing to talk about the rest of the people in the game" wait what again what is this this is plain wrong 3rd yes that's my super push for me it makes perfect sense. whats wrong on calling out someone for something that I have done as scum before? holymoly should I not do this? should I rather shut up and like, say nothing? lurk? it's at least something people cast start working with you little nut 4th i didn't drop anything about PB im totes fine with lynching that guy you're misrepresenting me in 4 points that's just super bad scummycandle See, scummycandle? it's actually possible to not scumread me for that but of course as scum pushing for a mislynch you need to paint me red. bah bah bah lynch pb/holyflare I think is a good move Hey Tube I have a better way to express your case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi?user=beentheredonethat Because you're just putting up quotes can you please draw conclusions Like, you post three big spoiler spoiler posts You basically listed my filter why? 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On June 11 2017 20:19 Holyflare wrote: Tomorrow you will have 5vs2 You should lynch not ritoky because tomorrow will be 100% dead discussion and tube, your biggest asset right now, will die. Lynching someone else is the most productive thing you can do. It doesn't change how many mislynches you get. So the guy with 6 pages of filter is OF COURSE going to be the biggest asset because he of course is going to lead discussion tomorrow all day? Like is that what you're saying, HF? Because it's wrong. Either auto me tomorrow so I don't need to deal with blatant idiotic scumreads anymore or auto ritoky because oh, whoops, almost forgot, he's scum and shouldn't be left alive? | ||
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On June 11 2017 23:00 Prison Break wrote: BTDT is scum and I had a good day 1? ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah v ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah | ||
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On June 12 2017 03:05 Conversion wrote: okay do you have an actual case outside of D1 or are you just trying to be cute Yeah I had several Like PB being scum, HF/Tumble being scum, I even had some hard townreads :O but of course you can just continue implying that I'm "stale" in my reads, you can of course completely disregard the things I just put up because why not? | ||
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On June 12 2017 03:05 Conversion wrote: okay do you have an actual case outside of D1 or are you just trying to be cute You have six pages of filter, you have done nothing all game and I don't even know your reads besides "btdt" is scum which, oh damn what a coincidence, is currently thread sentiment. | ||
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On June 12 2017 03:06 Conversion wrote: for someone who's trying to base activity on lynch, it's kind of funny how trash your play is I have 6 pages of filter and all of your quotes are from D1.. please build an actual case against me so I can shut your scummy ass down like everyone else did with your "Conversion must be scum bc correct grammar and I lied about being on a phone once so he must be too" This is complete bullshit. I am not trying to justify a lynch based on activity. I posted a "what if" post, just to make people aware, and then went on to look at things. I have not tried to lynch someone based on activity. "Please build an actual case against me"? Bra, why so defensive? I'm skimming the thread, checking if I find something because once I flipped green, people will realize my thoughts are genuine. Why should I, a scummer, case you? Why are you saying "look past D1", and then throw something at me that is from, oops, D1? | ||
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On June 12 2017 03:07 Conversion wrote: except you forget the entire D2 part where I said you're not scum umm hello? oh sorry let me be nice to you so you don't pull your rage I QQ this game sucks everyone is a bully card And how is D2 relevant because right now, you're scumreading me and that is all I am saying in the originally quoted post? You're super eager to lynch me so can you please have actual reasons and not just say what the thread is saying, because D2, OH WHAT A COINCIDENCE, also other people started townreading me? Do you have actual opinions and reads that are your own? | ||
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On June 12 2017 03:09 Conversion wrote: it's to show how ironic your argument is, but I guess that flew over your head too here I'll be nice and break it down for you: find me a bunch of quotes in my 6 page, inactive, meager, useless post filter like you're saying, point out where I'm not trying to help town discussion and prove that I'm scum without quoting shit from only one day out of a 3 day 3 night length game. then convince the other town to lynch me, push it as hard as you can with your tunneling shit play, and then I get lynched, flip town, and you lose the game thanks Why is mr. objective and "I spell everything correctly" suddenly so mad at me that he needs to call my play shit? I thought I'm scum, so you should be quite happy about my play being shit? | ||
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On June 11 2017 02:53 Conversion wrote: chill out dood was having some lunch on a nice saturday for once here also I'm not getting any new information that's making me want to switch my vote it's going on TW. if anyone thinks I'm wagoning I've been suspicious of TW since N2, so go read my filter if you want also PB I don't want a free pass as town, but my goal going into D3 was to make myself look as townie as possible, so I will continue to play like I have been and if you still think I'm scum then what can I do Like technically, you only said "I don't like his play" and you did neither explain why nor did you try to convince others. You were just sitting back and letting the doctor lynch pass because it was super convenient. Why are you overjustifying the vote? | ||
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On June 12 2017 03:13 Conversion wrote: unless you're illiterate, go reread my filter if you're too lazy to, have fun by yourself Oh oh that's another ironic statement right right because if I were illiterate, I wouldn't be able to play in the first place! RIGHT RIGHT? DID I GET THE JOKE? RIGHT? | ||
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On June 11 2017 02:54 Conversion wrote: also if TW flips town I'm lynching HF because in terms of blue claim credibility for me it's rit > HF > TW On June 11 2017 02:55 Conversion wrote: flips blue* SLIP SLIP SLIP | ||
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But I don't want to go back on PB so is it Tube? :O | ||
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On June 12 2017 03:40 Conversion wrote: sryy lull im tryn 2 build up my f1lter p4ge lik u mkain dmb 1-linerz and 1337 qu0t3z Hoho there's the rage more | ||
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On June 12 2017 03:41 Conversion wrote: I'm tempted to just wagon myself and have myself lynched and flip town so BTDT can look stupid on D4 because he seems to lack any sort of skill to build up a case on anyone besides the person replying to him Except you're gonna flip red | ||
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On June 12 2017 03:43 LightningStrike wrote: Like I said we just need to have a cop check or a shot on btdt so we could win the game most likely. I think it it will pretty easy from this point. Yeah like that Lylo between you, Grack and PB where noone thought PB was scum even AFTER scum won | ||
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On June 12 2017 04:44 Holyflare wrote: Whatever I'll just shoot btdt. Still scum reading everyone. Hahaha next day: "I was roleblocked this is why btdt is alive, lynch him but let ritoky live" wait that's an actual possibility. Are you scum hf? | ||
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On June 12 2017 04:55 Holyflare wrote: Like he says conv is mafia but he's also got a towny filter but then he's mafia again. At the same time as pb definitely being mafia again. At the same time as tube? Nah Calling it you + ritoky | ||
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On June 12 2017 04:55 Holyflare wrote: Like he says conv is mafia but he's also got a towny filter but then he's mafia again. At the same time as pb definitely being mafia again. At the same time as tube? Nah Wait, it's not possible that conversion, pb and tube are all scummers? Wait, it's not towny if I evaluate people besides pb and actually find out that a filter look townish and I am open about it? Wait, it's not towny if I skim and point on things that I thing are of interest so people can pick up on it once I flipped green? Wait, if you take those three things and pretend I am locked scum on all of them, which cannot be, which is why I am scum, why are you ignoring my actual scum claim that I did? Because if you take these things super literally without further thinking about it, why not take my scum claim the same way? What is it with you cannotfindmafiaitis bullshit? What is it with your claim, unclaim, claim, unclaim, claim, unclaim shit? Why is ritoky so super freely admitting he's scum? Like, Tumble just flipped blue, we were all about lynching HF! I can superduper see HF being scum here. | ||
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On June 13 2017 02:32 Prison Break wrote: I definitely don't think it's conversion I mean tubesocks posts seemed scummy and I thought he was scum, although that was based on the assumption that TW was scum and you and grack were cleared out. I don't scumread him anymore, but I did scumread him, so he'd be a possibility. Otherwise maybe LS. Don't think it's grack. Okay, but Grack and LS both hammered Fidei. Tube was early on him, potentially a bus, and Conversion voted outside even. I would read neither Grack nor LS as scum because they hammered Fidei, finalizing the lynch on him. | ||
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On June 13 2017 05:57 Prison Break wrote: right but you must admit conversion has been putting insane amount of effort just filter him I mean I thought he was scummy day 1, but he really convinced me he's town with his play right I agree, after you tubesock would be most likely, but here's the thing: Ritoky traded himself, why? if it was ritoky+tubesock, and people were onto tubesock+TW, why would he trade? instead of trying to get HF killed tomorrow I don't understand his play either way, but by this logic why did he trade? or did he just want to mindgame us to throw us off cause we were on the right track anyway? I don't know how 7 pages of filter are an insane amount of effort. Yes, his filter looks town-ish to me but that might just be me being bad at reading. I don't remember any pushes nor any incredible, super-worked out case. How is this "incredible effort"? if it's not conversion, as you claim it to be, then it must be tubesock or you from my perspective. | ||
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On June 13 2017 18:39 Tubesock wrote: I actually think we should lynch btdt first. Mechanically we do not lose a lynch. No one is bringing up lynch alternatives and there isn't much to add to btdt's guilt or defense. HF was right, we need to keep talking. With btdt alive there just isn't much to say. I don't see a reason Ritoky would stay in the game when btdt flips mafia. We can end the game in just over twelve hours from now. I'm not moving my vote. I fully support this. | ||
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Tubesock has managed to accumulate 7 pages of filter. On June 05 2017 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I yolo'd Fword guy. This is his whole reasoning in voting Fidei. He is neither pushing for shenannies nor working against them, he's seemingly not around after he voted Fidei. ritoky in the meantime is yolo'ing on LS cause "gut feelings". This, plus the hammer of LS clears LS in my opinion. Lateron, Tube posts his read list N1: On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote: Just in case: PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game. Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia. HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5. Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that. reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet. Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town. LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names. Mafias Most likely further down. Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS. Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him. beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone. Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible. So he townreads ritoky ("mindmelded"), while ritoky has Tube as his top town read. Tube goes on to scumread Grackaroni over ritoky when they engage in a fight with each other - d'oh. I think Grack fighting with ritoky is town-indicative for Grack. As I said several times already, I'm sure LS/Grack are both town. Tube however so far has two (2) posts where he talks about ritoky. On June 08 2017 06:22 Tubesock wrote: I like btdt cool But I'm on page 4 of his 7 page filter so far and he's not talking about ritoky in the slightest But: Three mentions of ritoky in total zero follow up on this, though. | ||
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On June 10 2017 08:08 Tubesock wrote: auto's probably fine. My tinfoil is running that it's HF and LS. but it's really stupid. Well HF for reasons I just posted, and LS partly for POE but also HF's trolling scumming on LS. HF banning LS from using meta prevents LS from towning the entire town: | ||
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On June 11 2017 19:45 Tubesock wrote: He's not toxic. Calm down. This is just a game. And you won't be lynched for days. Ritoky will be first. Wrong | ||
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It's not nothing I have. You are super low volume. You did almost not interact with ritoky. And you did say that ritoky will be the lynch, implying you plan to vote him, and you are now voting me over confirmed scum, you even have started to do so before the wagon on me formed. Also you're absolutely not accepting the slightest possibility that I am town but you should absolutely do so to not waste this day. Like, today, you can actually push people because there are two scummers alive - but also two more townies than tomorrow. That means that any wagon that is on a townie might be averted because there are 4 more townies to vote different from the 2 scummers. Tomorrow, if you lynch me today, you will not be able to push anyone and threaten a lynch. Basically, you'll have to figure out the game with what you have until today because tomorrow, you auto on ritoky - and then you're at LYLO anyways. So YES, technically it's even correct that you guys are voting me. But you're auto-ing on me. There's no pressure. I cannot defend myself as I am the locked lynch. I can do some stuff like point out things I do find suspicious. Drop some reads so once I flip green, you guys have something to look at. But de facto you are right now letting a super uncontested wagon pass. The real shame is that ritoky's vote will be absolutely unreadable. Either he won't drop one at all (which technically should modkill him at this point(!!!!) ), or he'll put it on me. If you don't have any wagons at all, ritoky's vote is like super uninteresting. Meh. Shame on you lazy town people. | ||
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