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Blazinghand
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On June 08 2017 09:15 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 09:14 Blazinghand wrote:On June 08 2017 09:13 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum. Also one more thing: tone-wise, this quoted piece is like "hey, we all wanted it, we all needed it, so it had to happen", brushing off any guilt. But you, BH, never believed in Vivax being cop in the first place. You actively pushed for a lynch, supporting HF super heavily, yet you say you're not townreading him. That's super suspicious. Also note how HF is a total mistery to us now. Whew. Okay. I'll go to bed now, it's 2 AM in the morning here. Blabla setup speculation: if there's a vig in, PB, BH, HF are all solid targets. Maybe even me although I think my D2 should've made pretty clear that I'm town. This was a joke post. this was a joke post. I was joking LIE. YOU'RE A LYING LIAR MC'LIARSON.
GAWD FRICKKIN DAMN IT GRACK
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On June 08 2017 09:16 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 09:15 Grackaroni wrote:On June 08 2017 09:14 Blazinghand wrote:On June 08 2017 09:13 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum. Also one more thing: tone-wise, this quoted piece is like "hey, we all wanted it, we all needed it, so it had to happen", brushing off any guilt. But you, BH, never believed in Vivax being cop in the first place. You actively pushed for a lynch, supporting HF super heavily, yet you say you're not townreading him. That's super suspicious. Also note how HF is a total mistery to us now. Whew. Okay. I'll go to bed now, it's 2 AM in the morning here. Blabla setup speculation: if there's a vig in, PB, BH, HF are all solid targets. Maybe even me although I think my D2 should've made pretty clear that I'm town. This was a joke post. this was a joke post. I was joking LIE. YOU'RE A LYING LIAR MC'LIARSON. GAWD FRICKKIN DAMN IT GRACK
I GOT YOU NOW KIDDO
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We would make an awesome mafia team.
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On June 08 2017 08:57 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 08:55 Prison Break wrote:On June 08 2017 08:49 Vivax wrote:
Just lynch HF tomorrow. If you flip VT, which I doubt since I think you're scum, then really I don't understand your play at all, and you/others kept saying you wouldn't do this as VT either If HF didn't fake blue, then the real blue would've been outed because why? I don't get it Thought process being used here: 1) assume Tumblewood is real Doctor 2) Assume we only have two blues 3) Vivax claims Cop 4) Now, a hidden Cop thinks, "Vivax must be scum, because I am the real cop" 5) Enough time goes by, if it looks Vivax won't get lynched, the hidden cop counterclaims to make it true 6) this is really convenient for Scum Vivax, because now his final teammate catches a cop 7) this gets averted by HF's fake blueclaim not saying this is true, but this is the thought process
From your pre-flip perspective, why shouldn't this be true? This is exactly the scenario that justified your vote on Vivax. Why are you not saying it is true? What else should've been there, pre-flip?
1. You did not vote Fidei
2. You did actively push a mislynch on Vivax
That BH/HF scenario from Vivax is perfectly possible in my mind. But I'm really worried about lynching into two of the most active players. Nevertheless, BH, imho you don't have too much towniness to yourself.
Then again, you could've pushed me over the line but you were a great help for me to calm down, although at times, it felt like you even overstretched. Humm dumm. I feel like Treebeard humm-homming over things.
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On June 08 2017 09:14 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 09:13 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum. Also one more thing: tone-wise, this quoted piece is like "hey, we all wanted it, we all needed it, so it had to happen", brushing off any guilt. But you, BH, never believed in Vivax being cop in the first place. You actively pushed for a lynch, supporting HF super heavily, yet you say you're not townreading him. That's super suspicious. Also note how HF is a total mistery to us now. Whew. Okay. I'll go to bed now, it's 2 AM in the morning here. Blabla setup speculation: if there's a vig in, PB, BH, HF are all solid targets. Maybe even me although I think my D2 should've made pretty clear that I'm town. This was a joke post. this was a joke post. I was joking
Blabla. I mean you scumreading Vivax is like super consistent, you wanted to lynch him D1 already. I think your voting thread filter has ##vote Vivax and maybe an ##unvote somewhere.
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On June 08 2017 09:13 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 09:13 Prison Break wrote:On June 08 2017 09:07 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 08 2017 08:38 Prison Break wrote:On June 08 2017 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
It's not scummy in the slightest. I'm forfeit from ever being solidly town read in a game by virtue of just being too damn good at scum. For what it's worth I feel like the people not townreading me are doing it cause of me being scum last game mainly. It's no coincidence that you, me and TW all get heavy pressure I feel like people are just ignoring a lot of stuff, like point out scummy things I'm doing, no they ignore Fidei vs me, and the fact my opinion/reads are almost the same as a lot of people. And I'm still someone possible scum but I don't see any good arguments for it That said I do have a problem keeping up with the thread That never happened. I remember multiple people saying the flip didn't affect me, didn't change their thoughts on me, or similar things Can you please provide proof for the bolded part in the originally quoted post?
I still think PB is scum tho :O
This is your post after fidei's flip, which completely ignores the fact I wanted him dead and he was calling me out as well. Like it doesn't clear me out, of course, but I'd expect at least more than "k I still think this". For example last game I would also do this to sicklurker, and I was also scum there. Scum doesn't have incentive to change their mind after a flip, Town does.
And I remember multiple people make posts like this, really I don't feel like digging them all up, unless if you actually think I'm lying / calling me out on it then I will. But right now I'd prefer to spend my time rereading what happened last X pages.
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see, this is why we don't fakeclaim as town.
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When filtering you I also came across the post again where you mentioned that we have a cop check and a red check and you were surprised I voted you (after I explained it)
almost starting to wonder if you had perfect information (both vivax / HF being town?)
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
On June 08 2017 09:18 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 09:14 Blazinghand wrote:On June 08 2017 09:13 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum. Also one more thing: tone-wise, this quoted piece is like "hey, we all wanted it, we all needed it, so it had to happen", brushing off any guilt. But you, BH, never believed in Vivax being cop in the first place. You actively pushed for a lynch, supporting HF super heavily, yet you say you're not townreading him. That's super suspicious. Also note how HF is a total mistery to us now. Whew. Okay. I'll go to bed now, it's 2 AM in the morning here. Blabla setup speculation: if there's a vig in, PB, BH, HF are all solid targets. Maybe even me although I think my D2 should've made pretty clear that I'm town. This was a joke post. this was a joke post. I was joking Blabla. I mean you scumreading Vivax is like super consistent, you wanted to lynch him D1 already. I think your voting thread filter has ##vote Vivax and maybe an ##unvote somewhere.
MY. VOTE. WAS. ON. VIVAX. AT. END. OF. DAY. 2.
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On June 08 2017 09:19 Prison Break wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 09:13 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 08 2017 09:13 Prison Break wrote:On June 08 2017 09:07 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 08 2017 08:38 Prison Break wrote:On June 08 2017 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
It's not scummy in the slightest. I'm forfeit from ever being solidly town read in a game by virtue of just being too damn good at scum. For what it's worth I feel like the people not townreading me are doing it cause of me being scum last game mainly. It's no coincidence that you, me and TW all get heavy pressure I feel like people are just ignoring a lot of stuff, like point out scummy things I'm doing, no they ignore Fidei vs me, and the fact my opinion/reads are almost the same as a lot of people. And I'm still someone possible scum but I don't see any good arguments for it That said I do have a problem keeping up with the thread That never happened. I remember multiple people saying the flip didn't affect me, didn't change their thoughts on me, or similar things Can you please provide proof for the bolded part in the originally quoted post? This is your post after fidei's flip, which completely ignores the fact I wanted him dead and he was calling me out as well. Like it doesn't clear me out, of course, but I'd expect at least more than "k I still think this". For example last game I would also do this to sicklurker, and I was also scum there. Scum doesn't have incentive to change their mind after a flip, Town does. And I remember multiple people make posts like this, really I don't feel like digging them all up, unless if you actually think I'm lying / calling me out on it then I will. But right now I'd prefer to spend my time rereading what happened last X pages.
Dude. Let me make it super clear:
which completely ignores the fact I wanted him dead
So here is what I want you to do:
[big]Show me where you wanted him dead.[/show]
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On June 08 2017 09:19 Prison Break wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 09:13 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 08 2017 09:13 Prison Break wrote:On June 08 2017 09:07 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 08 2017 08:38 Prison Break wrote:On June 08 2017 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
It's not scummy in the slightest. I'm forfeit from ever being solidly town read in a game by virtue of just being too damn good at scum. For what it's worth I feel like the people not townreading me are doing it cause of me being scum last game mainly. It's no coincidence that you, me and TW all get heavy pressure I feel like people are just ignoring a lot of stuff, like point out scummy things I'm doing, no they ignore Fidei vs me, and the fact my opinion/reads are almost the same as a lot of people. And I'm still someone possible scum but I don't see any good arguments for it That said I do have a problem keeping up with the thread That never happened. I remember multiple people saying the flip didn't affect me, didn't change their thoughts on me, or similar things Can you please provide proof for the bolded part in the originally quoted post? This is your post after fidei's flip, which completely ignores the fact I wanted him dead and he was calling me out as well. Like it doesn't clear me out, of course, but I'd expect at least more than "k I still think this". For example last game I would also do this to sicklurker, and I was also scum there. Scum doesn't have incentive to change their mind after a flip, Town does. And I remember multiple people make posts like this, really I don't feel like digging them all up, unless if you actually think I'm lying / calling me out on it then I will. But right now I'd prefer to spend my time rereading what happened last X pages.
Dude. Let me make it super clear:
which completely ignores the fact I wanted him dead
So here is what I want you to do:
Show me where you wanted him dead.
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On June 08 2017 09:20 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 09:18 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 08 2017 09:14 Blazinghand wrote:On June 08 2017 09:13 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum. Also one more thing: tone-wise, this quoted piece is like "hey, we all wanted it, we all needed it, so it had to happen", brushing off any guilt. But you, BH, never believed in Vivax being cop in the first place. You actively pushed for a lynch, supporting HF super heavily, yet you say you're not townreading him. That's super suspicious. Also note how HF is a total mistery to us now. Whew. Okay. I'll go to bed now, it's 2 AM in the morning here. Blabla setup speculation: if there's a vig in, PB, BH, HF are all solid targets. Maybe even me although I think my D2 should've made pretty clear that I'm town. This was a joke post. this was a joke post. I was joking Blabla. I mean you scumreading Vivax is like super consistent, you wanted to lynch him D1 already. I think your voting thread filter has ##vote Vivax and maybe an ##unvote somewhere.
MY. VOTE. WAS. ON. VIVAX. AT. END. OF. DAY. 2.
I know. You're misunderstanding me; that's a positive thing I'm mentioning 
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On June 08 2017 09:20 Prison Break wrote:
When filtering you I also came across the post again where you mentioned that we have a cop check and a red check and you were surprised I voted you (after I explained it)
almost starting to wonder if you had perfect information (both vivax / HF being town?)
Do you have any scumreads that do not start with b and end with tdt?
What do you think about HF?
What do you think about BH?
Now that Vivax flipped, given that almost everyone voted Vivax, would you consider some of these die-hard Vivax voters to have perfect information (pre counter claim/rescind drama) or is it just me who has perfect information?
Or, long story short: can you actually not only
a) come in thread when I push you
b) scumread me but also play the game so you get more readable and town profits?
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I will put HF now on my town pile, mainly for the claim and his "ha, in your face" reaction towards Vivax. Also keep in mind that we always had the danger of a real blue counterclaiming Vivax to ensure the hammer. HF's play made that impossible because it made Vivax rescind his claim.
I'm pretty sure HF is town.
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HF: unless if the last 20 pages make me change my mind, I had him as lean town. His scum game is dangerous so he will never be more than "lean town" anyway. Vivax being VT means nothing because the redcheck was false. If someone redchecked me I would get them killed as well, like that's just extremely scummy and vivax fucked us over tbh. But shit happens, got to move on.
BH is town, explained this earlier, so unless I change my mind last 20 pages he's a hard townread. He provides good analysis and reads all the time tbh
I will say I saw HF + BH teaming up kind of. But that teaming up could happen just as well as town, so I think it means nothing
a) considering I havent caught up that's a coincidence I guess, but last time I was here for a long time you weren't pushing me in the slightest, so this is just outright false information
b) I have given my reads on others and looked into possible scum in Conversion, and said I didn't rule out Grackaroni, and I gave a lot of townreads + explanations, so saying I'm tunneling you only wouldn't be correct
it is possible that others have perfect info and i'm not even sure if you had perfect info. that one post just seemed off to me, that you overresponded to me voting you that much.
ok I will quote where I wanted him dead
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So, my town list:
Tubesock (voting Fidei #2)
Tumblewood (blue claim, un-cc'ed, voting Fidei #3)
Grackaroni (had the exact same thoughts about Vivax pre-claim as me, voting Fidei #4 - hammer?)
Holyflare (#1774)
Leaves:
ritoky
LightningStrike (But I think I townread him for some reason earlier already, didn't I?)
Blazinghand
Conversion (who disappeared)
Prison Break (cased)
Is it so easy that a) both newbies are scum together AND both voted outside the scum wagon D1?
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On June 08 2017 09:10 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum. Call me dumb but my D2 basically was: 1. Believe a claim without CC 2. Not scumread Vivax for the fake claim, especially since he rescinded. In retrospective, the point where he rescinded should've made things clear: why does he rescind in the first place? To save himself? Impossible. So why does he rescind? Because HF claimed blue. Vivax does not have perfect information, so he believes the claim. At this moment, Vivax thinks "fuck, not only have I incorrectly faked a red check, but I have also outed the 2nd blue". So all he can do to save that potential second blue is un-claiming, thus allowing HF to also unclaim - or of course at least not get lynched and survive another night due to Tumblewood-doc being alive. The rescind was a town tell.
even if he was town i reject this.
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On June 08 2017 09:41 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 09:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum. Call me dumb but my D2 basically was: 1. Believe a claim without CC 2. Not scumread Vivax for the fake claim, especially since he rescinded. In retrospective, the point where he rescinded should've made things clear: why does he rescind in the first place? To save himself? Impossible. So why does he rescind? Because HF claimed blue. Vivax does not have perfect information, so he believes the claim. At this moment, Vivax thinks "fuck, not only have I incorrectly faked a red check, but I have also outed the 2nd blue". So all he can do to save that potential second blue is un-claiming, thus allowing HF to also unclaim - or of course at least not get lynched and survive another night due to Tumblewood-doc being alive. The rescind was a town tell. even if he was town i reject this.
Well it makes sense to me
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ah well. Gonna go to sleep for real now. gnite.
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EPT
