EPTNewbie Student Mafia XXVI
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On May 20 2017 01:11 Skynx wrote: Ebwop: oh shit didn't see vet spots are full. I guess i can /coach Koshi style. You can take my spot; the deadline doesn't work for me anyways. | ||
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 I do suck at playing Mafia apparently, maybe I can play as a newbie  | ||
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The joke itself is kinda NAI, too, but then again, why would scum start to push ahead a game when they can just rely on a lackluster game start with the EU people still asleep? I feel like Tubesock is town here, too. On June 03 2017 10:42 Prison Break wrote: RNG votes are cool, an RNG lynch seems horrible, doesn't give any information and turns the game into auto + there's no way to actually check if it's random and you don't know if the person determining the "random" factor is town or scum either This post feels super weird. First of all, you're here as a newbie, you're not supposed to judge if something's "cool" or not, right? The content of your post is supercorrect yet super obvious, so you do not add any value at all to the discussion. On June 03 2017 16:15 Vivax wrote: Early reads: Tube town for pushing game forward and being proactive. TW town for lashing out at something he didn't like and avoiding his scum play lazy buddying. It looked overly emotional to me but he claims it wasn't. Grack scum for being lazy, passive and kind of just reacting to things around him without attempting to reach a satisfactory conclusion or looking like he wanted to. Neither shitpost-y grack nor tryhard-y grack. Just bore-y grack. Rest null. I do agree with this post. Except I wouldn't put Grack on the scum pile yet because in Generic II, he played like this all game and was town. On June 03 2017 21:31 Conversion wrote: Hi all! I'm here-- generally a hectic weekend personally so apologies that I was late! That's all fine and dandy but if you've been here for about an hour, why aren't you posting? | ||
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On June 03 2017 21:32 Prison Break wrote: Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking extremely early game, unless if he's just trying to move the game forward in which case it's not a scumtell Tumblewoods initial response seemed forced, but the way he got to a townread after it is something I see town do when they realize a push is bad, or scum when they fear people will be onto them. But if tumblewood was scum wouldn't he realize his push was thin to say the least? Like I don't see how he has scum would make such a push just to retract it after, I don't think there was enough pressure on him to already back off from it. Based on this I conclude his change of mind was genuine not calculated, so leaning town on tumblewood despite me not liking his post initially. At least he's also trying to move the game forward which is worth something. going to throw this out here cause I may be able to get something out of it, and it may help me make reads on people as well: what are some ways to go about catching scum, especially early game? I don't expect/want people to make an entire list because mafia will adapt, but I think a few examples or short answers will help the game move forward. I'll start off, in my experience who I think are "extremely scummy" often end up being town, and the extremely active/inactives as well (although this one isn't a golden rule), and often the people I nullread end up being scum. I think this is because scum wants to blend in and doesn't try to play as townie or as scummy as possible but somewhere in the safe middle. I think last game that would be true for myself as well. This is weird, again. First thing: Hard statement. "Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking". Second thing: feels a bit wishy-washy but it also makes sense - then again, it's a lenghty version of "I don't think scum would do that so he must be town". Third thing: super irrelevant things. This is not a discussion about "how to play mafia". This is an actual game of mafia. PB is making a lot of words about not very much. | ||
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yes I'm going to bed now no I'm not scum | ||
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On June 04 2017 00:13 Holyflare wrote: I don't think pb's posts are anywhere near the same and he's asking for help how to play. Your post is way too over the mark. Hm okay. I like that point of view because you've been scum with him in generic II, so you're quite capable of judging it imho. I rate the "LS votes HF" thing townish for LS. ritoky is super investing into the HF filter quoted by LS which is a super town tell IMHO, I wouldn't put in that effort if I was scum. But I do know I'm lazy so.. meh, maybe ritoky isn't. But that plus the fact that ritoky fearlessly pushes around people (me), keeps on adding value etc, he's on the town pile. | ||
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On June 04 2017 03:32 Conversion wrote: I'm actually working today and was going to catch up later in the day, hence I said that generally it's a hectic weekend. Also, I understand that your timezone doesn't match up with the start of the game, but what are you going to get by pushing me, who is not experienced at all at Mafia, and making me post more? What about the other half of the thread that isn't making any sort of post that you can push for more information as well? It feels counterproductive to me (although I can see the flip side of the argument of letting me lurk lets me fly under the radar if I am scum by playing the newbie card, but I would assume veteran players can pressure me into slipping later on in the game if I were) For me it seems like unnecessary posting just clutters up a lot of the points or distractions, being made here, and I'd rather spend a good chunk of the small amount of time I do have in my current situations understanding how Mafia games generally go and understanding when to push for points or make good posts. TL;DR real life things outside of my control has coincided with the start time of this game-- does not mean I am trying to be inactive to fly under the radar and lurk. Well I'm not exactly pushing you. It's more like it feels weird that you say "hey, I'm here" and then you leave again. That's just not helping. If you feel like helping, then at least make people ask you questions. "What do you think about the exchange of HF/TW?" "What do is your stance on Vivax?" this is something that helps making yourself more readable. You didn't especially invite people to ask those questions, on the contrary. You're saying "hey guys I'm somewhat playing" so everyone expects you to do things; except you're not doing things so boom, people even start scumreading you. "What about the others in here" is also not the greatest of things to say. There's no real reason for me to look into anyone right now as I didn't find too much that caught my attention as "super suspicious" (except for the PB thing, ofc), but somehow your "hi bras" post caught my attention. So, no, it's not "clutter" or "unproductive". On the contrary - my slight poke triggered a big "oh noes" post which contains a lot of speculation and "do not look at me". I'm totally fine with people looking into me. I'm town, after all, and I got nothing to hide, I don't have any restrictions in who I'm pushing etc. | ||
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On June 04 2017 03:53 ritoky wrote: the person i think is most mafia right now is probably BTDT. i think his reads are cheap and hollow. he defends TW for missing a joke "full frontal" (w/e the shit that means); when from my experience lacking a sense of humor is more mafia indicative than town. he defends grack from vivax because of last game? he doesn't disagree with vivax that what grack is doing isn't more scum indicative, he just says "don't call him mafia cuz he said terrible things last game too". read as mafia trying to pocket/protect weak town a bit. he prods the new player, which is easy for anyone to do. he calls out PB for sounding wishy-washy....but that makes no sense to me. he has a read on TW and grack from previous games, but not on PB. in the previous game PB was incredibly definitive and made tons of sense pretty much all game long. in this game PB sounds more unsure and makes less sense. it makes me think PB is more likely town, so why does PB sounding dissimilar to last game make him think PB is the same alignment as last game? dunno....pretty much don't like anything of what he has posted. "Lacking a sense of humor" and "not identifying the irony" are completely different things. The first thing is the absence of the capability to laugh about something. Like "Hey, wow, I don't think it's funny that you make an ironic statement about the number of posts in this game". The second thing is "What the fuck are you talking about? There haven't been many posts in this game, why do you say there were many posts in this game?!" The second thing is exactly what happened. TW missed the irony. He simply "didn't get it". He did not find it "not humourous", he missed the joke. That is NAI at best. If you have your judgment there from "experience", then please point me to some games where you have made those experiences in. You've shown already you're willing to dig filters from other games, so go ahead. Yes, I have defended Grack and your interpretation of that is entirely possible. Not much to say against that. But it's of course possible that you interpret it that way because you want to scumread me. It's also entirely possible that I simply said this to make Vivax aware of something - especially since Grack was in LYLO in generic II and half the obs QT was sure he was scum. So much to that . What does "prods the new player" mean? As you might've realized, I'm not a native speaker. PBs reads at that point are wishy-washy, ritoky, and if you call that a solid read, then you're misrepresenting things. If there are more questions towards me coming from that case, feel free to ask, I'm here. | ||
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On June 04 2017 03:56 ritoky wrote: also the "i am calling things weird, but not alignment indicative......YET!" post pisses me off. your whole case feels like you're pissed off over me being bad instead of having solid reasons for me being scum. Take a step back and reconsider? | ||
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On June 04 2017 04:55 Blazinghand wrote: Clearly my RNG was, as always, 100% correct here i'll prove it ##Vote Vivax This is super fishy | ||
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On June 04 2017 22:26 Grackaroni wrote: In the second line he tags one of the most generic posts possible as "super weird" I also didn't like that he goes out of his way to quote Vivax to say that he agrees with something that he had just said at the top of his post. Nagging someone to contribute at the end adds to the perception that he's trying to fluff up contributions. Plus I generally find pestering people to post annoying. Also he called me a baddie. It actually wasn't as bad of a post as I thought though because his whole schtick in the next post is that PB is making fluff posts, which is a fair argument. That may be what he meant by super weird in the second line. <3 On a more serious note though, I like your thought process quite a lot. It feels genuine. | ||
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On June 04 2017 08:38 Conversion wrote: Can you explain how I am showing disinterest in the game? I meant to say that the general lack of posting and effort is due to personal reasons, and understood that from a mechanical POV that it could be scummy. I don't understand where the translation suddenly became "I don't care about this game." when I've been actually reading the thread carefully. I'd like an explanation so I can understand your scumtell 101 derived from my post. One more super weird post that doesn't really add much. I might get tunneled and be over-"whatthefucked" by a newbie. But what if not? | ||
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