Newbie Student Mafia XXVI

On June 03 2017 13:39 Tumblewood wrote:

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of course I don't carry the same conviction after I realize he is joking. still think his comments on bh are hot garbage but I'm not going to continue being aggressive because I think he's town

On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote:
shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game.

On June 04 2017 07:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner

yes I'm going to bed now

no I'm not scum

On June 04 2017 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax let's work together

On June 04 2017 08:25 Grackaroni wrote:

I'm not being lazy. I just read less into some things than other people do and don't blow up over minor things early game like you did accusing me of being boring after my 2nd post.

LS comments on things with no relevant meaning <3 LS

prison break seems like most players I see from other sites. he seems to at least believe what he's saying

On June 05 2017 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
Like I don't even care if BH does end up being mafia. Why waste your time even talking about him? He's pretty much a coin flip.

Why not Tumblewood who declared BH town based on meta straight away? Who has also town read Grack (who has still done nothing) and has also tried to retroactively justify his grack town read? Who said Tubesock's posts were bad and got the joke after it was explained but still berated him even though he called him town.

Why not fidei who has reads that contradict anything he should be thinking? Who put myself and Tumblewood in the same scummy pile but then realised he didn't actually acknowledge anything I had said and pleaded ignorance after the fact. While pushing the guy I wanted to lynch with my same reasoning.

Why not like 60% of this game really?

On June 05 2017 03:41 Holyflare wrote:
Guy who displays he can't help giving out TMI as mafia is town this game for TMI.

- Vivax

On June 05 2017 03:39 Holyflare wrote:
Why not BTDT who scum reads exclusively newbies and refuses to talk about the rest of the people in the game? Whose current push is calling a guy a liar for phone posting because he did it once in a game. But the problem is he's been called out on it and the guy he's pushing looks towny. He pushed PB similarly and instantly dropped it because I said it was mediocre.

Weird patterns.

On June 05 2017 03:49 Tubesock wrote:


He is trying to get along. Or at least avoid confrontation. The meta read on BH is total bullshit. And towning me for being bad is also bullshit.

On June 05 2017 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax could be mafia

On June 05 2017 03:53 ritoky wrote:


holy crap.....this is so bad....this might be too bad to be scum.

On June 04 2017 09:43 Prison Break wrote:


Tumblewood: "I get the sense that we have a lot of townies running around and accusing other townies
what if we lynched blazinghand
I don't have a real reason he's scum but the rest of the game makes a lot more sense if he is"

Holyflare, do you think Tumblewood is defending possible teammates here (aka someone who is getting pressure right now that he's trying to defuse)?

I think Tumblewood make a bad push, but his response after realizing it was joking makes sense, including the "fuck". Town doesn't want to be wrong and frustration can lead to moments where you'd say "fuck". If he was mafia would there be a reason for him to say that? Not what to think on the push on blazinghand. I've seen town play like Blazinghand but not scum, so leaning town on him. That doesn't mean his "lie" on grack means anything - hell, Blazinghand reminds me of myself as town a bit and how I used to think, like I would catch people lying and push it, but I learned that catching a lie doesn't equal those players actually being scum. Although they could, but this seems like a silly thing to lie about. Like there's no value to be gained for Grack to say this if he knows he's going to get called out for it for because wrong. So I'd say he probably just forgot? So I'd say Blazinghand is town and Grack I have yet to decide.

All things considered I see you vs tumblewood being possible town vs town. My townread on you is based on the fact I can at least understand your push on tumblewood (since I considered it as well), and your townread on me (I think scum could've used town paranoia of me being scum slipping through last game to push me, you defusing this immediately gives towncred), I also like how HF called BTDT's post bad. HF seems tryhard, I wonder if he as scum would be this tryhard esp after last game, so based on that I'm leaning his as town right now.

On June 05 2017 04:04 ritoky wrote:
why would grack be town?

On June 05 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:


This post you quote is actually an amazingly good post that surmises why being caught out in a lie doesn't necessarily make someone scum and is in fact relating to Blazinghand's alignment and not Grack's like you purport it to.

On June 05 2017 04:20 Vivax wrote:


Yes he's basically saying he doesn't believe a word of what BH calls Grack scum for yet concludes that BH is town and Grack is null, with a lot of fluff on top.

On June 05 2017 04:23 ritoky wrote:


a bh/hf team? you think hf defends a teammate who has contributed this little (BH) this hard on d1? i don't think that aligns with how hf plays mafia.

On June 04 2017 09:43 Prison Break wrote:
Not what to think on the push on blazinghand. I've seen town play like Blazinghand but not scum, so leaning town on him. That doesn't mean his "lie" on grack means anything - hell, Blazinghand reminds me of myself as town a bit and how I used to think, like I would catch people lying and push it, but I learned that catching a lie doesn't equal those players actually being scum. Although they could, but this seems like a silly thing to lie about. Like there's no value to be gained for Grack to say this if he knows he's going to get called out for it for because wrong. So I'd say he probably just forgot? So I'd say Blazinghand is town and Grack I have yet to decide.

On June 05 2017 04:51 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax - "BH is mafia because he's doing nothing and he had the opportunity to solve the game but didn't!"

On June 05 2017 05:00 ritoky wrote:
vivax, do you think TW is town?

On June 05 2017 03:43 Vivax wrote:


Cause fidei had an opinion that somehow was different than mine and ritoky at points, whom I also TR. And having a weird/different opinion doesn't make people mafia.

Cause Tumble I think is town this game since he doesn't just try to get along with everyone while his tone suggests town.

And lynch BH cause he didn't take the opportunity to display a desire to solve the game when he had the content available.

On June 05 2017 03:53 Vivax wrote:


So basically when nothing was going on in the thread and you drop a joke, mafia tumble randomly decided to push scum on you and then call you town? Doesn't quite compute.

It's much simpler: He didn't realize it was a joke post. It got him worked up that you were lying/talking nonsense in his eyes and he started moaning about it, but then realized he dun goofed, realized his argument was nonsense and walked away in shame.

He could have simply, y'know, done nothing? Be lazy?

On June 05 2017 04:49 Fidei86 wrote:

Vivax talk me through this?

and pushes TW and generally tries to block me from hunting mafia.

On June 05 2017 05:11 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax here's what you are going to need to do to prove I'm mafia defending BH.

Just real simple. Link games where BH has done an RNG push and said nothing about the game or solved it day 1 and been mafia.

That's a really really really simple task.

On June 05 2017 05:16 Holyflare wrote:


your whole fucking case on BH being mafia is that he had the opportunity to solve the game but didn't

but he's never done that and YOU KNOW IT

scummy fuck jesus christ

On April 22 2015 13:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Damdred is a solid lynch today. His posts don't show a mindset of someone trying to sovle the game.

Let's take a look at how things start off. The game begins, and Damdred starts off with some typical troll posts that you see at the start of games:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24117712
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24117713

which are unmeaningful. A page or two later, Damdred starts complaining about votes being thrown around (link) and says he hates it. He doesn't explicitly state that he thinks it's a bad idea, but there you go. Then, he says he hasn't read the game, then, he votes me (link) for "not playing" when the game is at its very outset. This is almost the definition of a vote being "thrown around", something that damdred hates. Then, he says he thinks I'm scum (link) in response to someone saying he needs to play, even though he is supposedly town and admits taht he hasn't played ("I'll play don't worry"). So,w hat's Damdred even thinking here?

Like, the people who come in later and want to policy me for having an excuse, sure, that's fine. The people who hate me for not posting for 24 hours, I get them. These are all actually reasonable reasons to scumread me. It is literally Classic Blazinghand play to use an IRL excuse to not play. (I would note, by the way, that I merely asked for more time, something easily attained in this game-- surely there's no problem there. This isn't a traditional deadline game). Regardless of their own skills, people can reasonably say that me posting after 18 hours saying "haha IRL reasonz duderz" is classic scum Blazinghand. And it is.

But what's Damdred doing here?

and then, look at this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24118610

Damdy posts a list post here, in which he states that I'm scum and he would vote for woS, and various other thoughts. Do we see any progression up to this? Does this actually do anything to help anyone? Of course not. Does he have questions for others, does he want to look at the game? No, he does not. This isn't Damdred pushing his ideas, this isn't Damdred trying to convince peopel to vote me even, it's just... filler. And he even calls it silly. That doesn't make it not scummy, that he calls it silly.

He later comes, and uh, asks himself some questions (link). The fact that he asks himself the questions is like, minorly townie I guess since he's having fun. I don't think it really makes him town though.

now he goes calling me scum based on me being "active elsewhere", (link) which seems pretty strange to me given that the only place I was posting (IIRC) was posting the D1 post to start the newbie game, which was actually before the start of Hapa's game. If I'm really active elsewhere, Damdred, why not bring exampels? Why not quote or link the posts I'm making elsewhere, or whatever? Now maybe it's against your ethics or whatever, but wait a second, clearly it's NOT since you mentioned it. So, another accusation with no oomph, more statements without real backup. Let's take a look at Damdy's post in more depths and let's see if he's actually contributing here, or just making noise.




This is nothing. This is like, not even trying to scumhunt. First off, I don't see any actual mention of games. What experience? Maybe it's just a light meta read of trfel, but where did this come from? Even a mention of like "when I played with him in cell and he was scum there" or whatever (as I think Damdred says later in his filter about me) would make sense, but we don't see anything. Also worth noting here that this read isn't something you'd capitalize on. In fact, this entire paragraph is just scummier. "Towards the bottom of null" is like, the least read you can give someone that will most likely make me think you're scum.

Here's what this looks like to me. Damdy wants to lynch trfel, maybe later, so he can't be seen actively defending trrfel without getting some heat. He doesn't want to lynch trfel yet though, he's hoping to get a wagon rolling on me in the first 24h. If he actively turns up the heat on trfel he'd have to commit to it, or talk about it, and genearlly as scum Damdy wants as little preassure as possible. so he makes this minor read on trfel. It "sets up" for his later scumread, but for now, bam, looks vague enough he won't get pressed on it, but gives him some cred later. town wouldn't bother wasting all this time talking about a "bottom of null" read. Definitey scum move.



this could be an emptry quote and it would share the same amount of info. Damdred here isn't doing anything useful or providing insights, but the buddying with Breshke comes nonetheless.


So, I don't even understand how anyone can let damdred get away with this paragraph. He's like, talking about the "uneveness" between how wave treats art and yamato? again, no evidence, other than he notes that wave has a different opinion on art and yam's alignment. You can't just call something strange and make it strange. What a vague read! Another classic scum move.

We can look at the followup to this to see more revelatory info about Damdred (and I thank rsoultin for being in thread to draw this out"






So, leaving off the reply about my meta (which is actually interesting), here's the Wave post they were talking about:



First off, I think we can all agree this is a pretty bullshit explanation. The more likely truth is that Waveofshadow wasn't paying attention or got confused or something, and is now embarassed about it, and invented an explanation. "Oh, Yamato referenced an out of game thing that I have since forgotten about, and that's the reason" is like, actually one of the worst explanations I have ever heard. The thign is, though, if WoS were scum and had the freedom to invent an explanation, he'd probably come up with a good one. the only reason he'd use such a lame explanation is if there's a kernel of truth to it. Maybe he and Yamato are lovers IRL, for example, and it was a whisper passed between them in the bedsheets. Who knows. The point is, the fact that woS is being so strikingly weird about his not-an-affair reason for not scumreading Yams is actually evidence WoS as town. No way scum comes up with something so strange.

So, rsoultin rightly notes that the overexplaining is a town thing. Damdred calls it an overreaction and doesn't say why that's actually scummy. What's happening here is that Damdred isn't having a scumread follow a logic. Instead of observation + logic -> scumread, he's doing scumread + observation -> logic. In other words, he's using what happened in thread, plus his PLAN to scumread WoS (who is very bad at defending himself in general) and then CREATING FALSE LOGIC to populate his read. Basically, Damdred isn't finding the truth, he's stating a read in his head then working back from it to find an explanatino. That's why he says stuff like "it's the worst town read" or whatever without explaninig why, because there *is* no "why", not until Damdred creates it.

Moving on, Damdred (link) reasonably brings up some of my past games, though in Aperture I don't think I mentioned anything IRL, I mostly just goofed around and rode my claim (and boy did I ride it!) to victory. Cell mafia I am pretty sure I pretended to be moving house. That was fucking awesome. hahaha. Man I'm awesome. In any case, just cause Damdy's right that I'm an amazing scum player doesn't mean that he's town. Scum isn't forbidden from saying true things; it happens.

At this point, Damdred comes back after 13 hours, and in the past 13 hours, I have made this post:




Now let's say you're Damdred as town somehow. You think Blazinghand is pulling the classic "I am blazinghand and I alone out of all TL Mafia players have the manliness to lie about IRL things". You fucking CALL it, youv ote him, then you come back to the thread and he has made one SOLITARY post int he first like 18 hours of the game, and it's LITERALLY AN IRL EXCUSE.

What's your response? Do you:

A) Call BH scum and quote his single post
B) Call BH scum and note that he played just as you acted.
C) Start asking other players why they're accepted BH's bad excuses, and call him scum.

or...

D) make some vague noises at BH, but UNVOTE HIM AND VOTE SOMEONE ELSE

well, guess what kids, Damdy went with D. Now look, I'm not saying Damdred has to spend 100% of his time paying attention to me. I get it, he has to pretend to have otehr reads too. But the first 2 hours after damdred comes back to thread post Blazinghand-post, he only makes these two posts:





The first one concerning people scumreading him for his notably scummy actions. The second one saying he doens't like trfel for the WoS townread. Eventually, he calls me out, 2 hours later-- and this is fine, maybe it took him 2 hours to read the thread somehow, even though he read other things, or no actually that makes no sense. Damdred makes no sense. He forgot he was scumreading me probably then had to make up for it with humor.



Don't let the fact that he's humorous distract you from the fact that he's not actually focussed on me. The killer is here though:



Ok so let'st ake a look at what Damdred has said about Art so far: he's said ARt is null and he's also said Art was joking. He called out WoS FOR CALLING OUT ART. Then he votes art for being lazy. Which I get. You maybe do that to pressure people for funsies. But tehre's no follow up on me.

at this point, we're getting up to 24 hours into the game, and Damdred's posts are no longer caring about the fact that, as far as he claims, BH IS LITERALLY PLAYING BH SCUM META. Remember, Damdred CALLED this. he VOTED me for this. Sow hat's he up to?



Oh, right, Arts isn't playing. What about your main scumread, Damdred? What about the guy who has literally made one post, a post saying he wasn't playing?

There's no way Damdred is ACTUALLY having these thoughts. If he was spending his time thinking about people not playing, he'd bring me up again. Maybe nto a lot; buit at least once. And wait, let's look at that vote post again. Let's just TAKE A FUCKIN LOOK:




EMPHASIS MINE. Yes, I emphasised the whole post. READ IT. READ IT. He's obviously distancing himself from the outcome. Look at this! oh, if Art isn't scum, well, STATISTICS. Fuck, when I say statistics (when I RNG, that is), I at least back it up with REAL STATISTICS. Look at this? He doesn't even say Art is scum! He just says the approach is scummy and he's PREPARING for a townflip. Who votes like this? Who THINKS like this?

Damdred is fabricating the whole read and it shows.

his resposne to pressure is this:



trfel unvotes damdred saying he was voting to "make a point" and asks if damdred gets it (note trfel: I'm watching you) and damdred says:




Again, talking about absence, but no evidence about art's meta (remember how he had that about mine? Why is this case even on art and not me, for whom it's like, actually a case? WTF), just balthering.




not sure what's going on here.

Wos scumreads Trfel for Trfel's scummy activities, and Damdred says:


which is again, meaningless.

He makes a bunch of strange posts that don't really do anything about me. It's now 24 hours in, and Damdred is making posts like this:


when me, the guy he meta-readed as scum, literally did the scum meta thing AND tried to lengthen the day. He says "people dont' feel compelled to play", how is he not thinking of me? Where's the read development? Why is he still on Artanis, even though votes don't matter?



He says he wants to Lynch art now, but there's no case, no follow-up. Look, Damdred is in town and makes a bunch of posts right around this time, probably like 10 over the course of 6 hours. That's fine and dandy, I'm not saying he has to be an activity monster or make tons of posts. But like, why isn't he pushing his read. Breshke even senses something is off and asks Damdred if he really actually wants to lynch Art. It's a reasonable question to ask because Damdred isn't acting like someone who actually wants to be responsible for a lynch, or someone with a scumread. Damdred is just putting his vote places. He's making "scumreads" and "townreads" but tehre's no UNDERLYING THOUGHT PROCESS.

Look, there's a lot of things scum can fake. Scum and "make reads" and "vote" and whatever. Hell, scum can even be right about things, liek calling out lurkers, or pointing out my meta. That's fine. What scum can't easily fake, though, is a town thought process. Think about what you know about finding scum-- a lot of it has to do with things not lining up, with scum backtracking ideas or not making sense or diverging from how they act as town. They don't think the same things, so they ahve to fake it. Damdred doesn't actually thyink I'm scum or Art is scum. If he REALLY thought tehse things, he'd TALK about it. He wouldn't hang out bickering whether some dude is nulltown or nullscum when he's got a vote out on Art. He'd talk about Art. He wouldn't hang out balthering about people not playing because of time issues, when i'm literally doing that.

Damdred, if he were town, would be ALL OVER me. His entire filter would be like that humorous post he made about me saying I need more time. Even if he did switch to Art, he'd actually switch. Heck, maybe he'd still lambast me a bit. And he'd press the art issue. He wouldn't be like,




When he could have a filter full of




and LEGIT follow-up. He'd HAVE the read, not just SAY the read.



Damdred is faking this, 100%. It's all artificial. He's scum. I've proven that. Let's kill him.

##Damdred


oh btw I'm back

On June 05 2017 05:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Vivax.Are you 100% certain I'm scum

Cause he can't possibly believe that I can be 100% certain that you are town.

On June 05 2017 05:30 Holyflare wrote:


Assassination Mafia - 0 RNG lynch proposed, only starts any semblance of analysis at day 2 of game.

Noir Mini mafia - 0 RNG lynches proposed.

Here's the relevant ones that I mention when I say sometimes he just does nothing and that makes him a complete coin flip:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?user=Blazinghand

Blazinghand, shot night 2 - pushes joke posts in favour of his RNGd lynch - town

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?user=Blazinghand

Blazinghand - [M][N] Mini Mafia: The kinda Vanilla Experience Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 6 - RNG into analysis with a 20 page filter

it's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be at all and none of your links contained his RNG

[M][N] Mini Mafia: The kinda Vanilla Experience Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 6 - 20 page filter of content
[T] Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal Mafia Inspector G. Lestrade Survived Night 4 - 13 page filter of content

the point you raise that BH isn't posting content and is therefore mafia is bull shit because the last 2 games he has been mafia he has in fact been posting content non-stop

On June 05 2017 05:31 Holyflare wrote:


what the shittting fuck fest game are you playing in where I've said BH is town once?

I've REPEATEDLY about 100 times said he's a coin flip while you say he's 100% mafia

On June 05 2017 05:37 Holyflare wrote:


If BH is town and you push him and he's doing nothing and still doing nothing and he flips town you walk away with a mislynch on a good player and you can wash your hands of the lynch and say you did nothing wrong.

It's a bull shit 0 risk lynch that you can get away with. No balls whatsoever. Lurker lynch. Trash.

When has pushing a coin flip lynch ever been a good play in the history of this game? 0 content from people on them, 0 risk, 0 reward if it's wrong, 0 anything.

You push people that post a lot and generate content.

your whole fucking case on BH being mafia is that he had the opportunity to solve the game but didn't

but he's never done that and YOU KNOW IT

On June 05 2017 05:48 Holyflare wrote:
your statement is that BH only tries to solve the game as town
but he did it as mafia
ergo vivax is pushing misinformation and lies
ergo

vivax is mafia

no?

On June 05 2017 05:53 Holyflare wrote:


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461330-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-2?user=Blazinghand&view=all

page 1 and the first bit of day 2 are day 1 of that game and he was so up for lynch he was forced to claim blue day 1

checkmate

On June 05 2017 00:41 kitaman27 wrote:
Day One Vote Count

Blazinghand (2): Grackaroni, Tubesock
Tumblewood (2): Holyflare, Fidei86
beentheredonethat (2): Prison Break, ritoky
Grackaroni (1): Blazinghand
Fidei86 (1): Onegu
Holyflare (0): LightningStrike
Vivax (0): Blazinghand

Not Voting (5): Conversion, Tumblewood, Vivax, beentheredonethat, LightningStrike

Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.

remains in the cycle.

You push people that post a lot and generate content

On June 05 2017 06:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I think your case is solid but I still kind of like him because he's being snarky and more defiant in this game. The other problem is that he's not exactly known to make very much sense as town.

On June 05 2017 07:02 Blazinghand wrote:


So then HF is scum.protecting me and bussing TW in your view

On June 05 2017 07:39 Grackaroni wrote:
Onegu's big post is something I've never seen him do before and it wasn't all that useful.

On June 05 2017 07:43 Tubesock wrote:
I'm contemplating a yolo vivax lynch.

On June 05 2017 07:48 Tumblewood wrote:

when people make constant arguments about someone not doing anything, the argument is always terrible

On June 05 2017 07:51 Tumblewood wrote:

i don't even agree with the claim that he's doing nothing. that's usually the flaw in that sort of argument, that they keep yelling about it and never turn around and realize the player actually did something. or they just write off everything as not a real contribution

On June 05 2017 08:06 LightningStrike wrote:
I think BH is likely town who was willing to die for our unCCed blue.

On June 05 2017 08:30 Onegu wrote:
Im still reading.

Im on page 24 now. At this point in time my lynches would be fword dude and Vivax. BH if we wanted a coin flip but the fact that vivax wants him lynched is a point toward not lynching BH.

On June 05 2017 08:35 Holyflare wrote:
The secret to my play is that I don't ever remember what people post. I didn't even remember TW was my partner last game tbh.

On June 05 2017 08:40 Onegu wrote:
Now 100% serious question. Why are we not lynching Fword dude?

On June 05 2017 08:43 Onegu wrote:



Well played Vivax. Well played. You sir are a bundle of Joy.

On June 05 2017 08:30 Onegu wrote:
Im still reading.

Im on page 24 now. At this point in time my lynches would be fword dude and Vivax. BH if we wanted a coin flip but the fact that vivax wants him lynched is a point toward not lynching BH.

Vivax makes a shit post on why PB post was bad.

On May 11 2017 08:45 Holyflare wrote:




U wut?

On May 11 2017 08:46 Holyflare wrote:
Are you saying I'm town without actually saying I'm town? I hate almost everything you wrote.

On May 11 2017 08:49 Holyflare wrote:
Why has your read on me suddenly flipped when nothing has changed since what you have said about me?? I mean.... 50% of your reads don't even have alignments attached to them so it's almost entirely worthless?

On May 11 2017 16:16 Holyflare wrote:


Can you explain this then? What exactly were you wrong about and why?

On June 04 2017 20:27 Holyflare wrote:
How on earth can you have both TW and I as scummy but want to lynch TW when I've been the biggest proponent to his lynch?

On June 04 2017 20:29 Holyflare wrote:
That list is so bull shit. If you think I haven't done enough then I'm null. But then you want to lynch my scum read for reasons I've outlined and that you apparently support.

But I'm mafia on your list instead of null/towny which I should be if you agree with me.

No. That doesn't add up at all.

On June 04 2017 20:35 Holyflare wrote:


This is hot garbage too. Not only is my LS read not wrong (he definitely ignored the interaction and even said so) but I'm pushing the person you directly think is mafia. You even reference he's still looking like mafia in your second paragraph, for more of the reasons I'm still outlining!

Your return list post also cites his bad Grack read and BH read, which again, I pushed.

No way you can simultaneously think these things in any sort of thought progression but still have me scummy. I was at a wedding and not doing much and pushing your scum read for things you agree about.

So why am I still mafia?

On June 06 2017 15:56 Holyflare wrote:
I mean i don't have anything to add other than vote vivax even if he's fake claiming. It's his own fault if he's throwing when we're in a good spot.

Not particularly hard to differentiate between us either. Vivax has pushed trash all game and he's mad mafia flipped :D

On June 07 2017 03:54 Holyflare wrote:
I will play my trap card if you don't lynch vivax. Nobody wants that.

On June 07 2017 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:


Please Vivax, PLEASE it's so simple, it's so INTEGRAL to your claim, and you know it! you could have typed it out in the moment it took you to make that post. Come on man, work with me here, not because you're obligated to, but because it's the right thing to do. I can't MAKE you do anything, but if you're town we're on the same side here buddy. Just gimme this much, ok? It'll help!

On June 07 2017 09:23 Blazinghand wrote:


I really appreciate that reply and I know it wasn't easy for you. Could you also tell me what time you decided to check HF instead of me? Sorry again about the trouble. And, I know you're discussing things in good faith so I'll do so as well.

Why not lynch HF? Well, he's basically sounded tryhard, though yes, I know he could do this as Scum, he also called me a 50/50 early on which is pretty accurate (whereas he could have tried to defend me with a legit townread to look good after I flipped if lynched) given the info he had. Yeah, it's not a solid TR on him. But I like him and he's fun to play with, which influences me as well.

Really though, not gonna lie here Vivax I think it's a lot more a case of "jesus christ let's just get rid of this guy" when it comes to you. Up until about an hour ago I figured you were gonna AFK all day, and the way you reacted to the D1 lynch seemed at its core not to come from the mindset of a townie. On top of that, RNG, man, RNG. But also when I think about it, you know, the effort put forth from you was really bad. And if you make it a situation where like, either you or HF is scum, it's hard from the PoV of "HF is generally playing well and engaging people for the last 48 hours" and "Vivax has been really down and having trouble being involved, and seemed particularly upset that we lynched scum" to justify a vote on HF.

That being said, I can be convinced. But that's basically my reasoning. Like, even if you flip scum for example I don't think that absolves HF, he's a smooth operator. He's a good player. So are you, of course, but HF knows how to talk to talk. I think he could do this as scum, I even think he could do a double bus as scum and try to pull it off. I don't think it's likely you're both scum, but it's possible, and moreso than with like, a normal player.

On June 07 2017 09:37 Blazinghand wrote:


Ah sorry if I came off as overaggressive with those questions. And it's not a policy lynch of "the cop who has a red check on someone" because that's not the policy. In fact, if anything, the policy is to lynch the guy who there's a redcheck on. What's happening right now is a strong push against the policy, because of the unique circumstances.

On June 07 2017 08:47 Blazinghand wrote:
Glad to see you're feeling better, Vivax. If you could possibly spare a moment for me, it would help convince me to potentially vote HF over you. You see, I'm eager to understand the events that lead up to this post:

*snipped quotes*

Could you tell me when you made the decision to check HF, and how you crumbed it? Also tell me a bit about the rationale you had for claiming cop today. Thanks man, hope you're feeling better, and I really appreciate you coming back to the thread. It's the right thing to do.

On June 07 2017 09:23 Blazinghand wrote:
Really though, not gonna lie here Vivax I think it's a lot more a case of "jesus christ let's just get rid of this guy" when it comes to you. Up until about an hour ago I figured you were gonna AFK all day, and the way you reacted to the D1 lynch seemed at its core not to come from the mindset of a townie. On top of that, RNG, man, RNG. But also when I think about it, you know, the effort put forth from you was really bad. And if you make it a situation where like, either you or HF is scum, it's hard from the PoV of "HF is generally playing well and engaging people for the last 48 hours" and "Vivax has been really down and having trouble being involved, and seemed particularly upset that we lynched scum" to justify a vote on HF.

That being said, I can be convinced. But that's basically my reasoning. Like, even if you flip scum for example I don't think that absolves HF, he's a smooth operator. He's a good player. So are you, of course, but HF knows how to talk to talk. I think he could do this as scum, I even think he could do a double bus as scum and try to pull it off. I don't think it's likely you're both scum, but it's possible, and moreso than with like, a normal player.

On June 07 2017 15:33 Grackaroni wrote:
If he is mafia this is a real fail play.

On June 07 2017 15:44 Holyflare wrote:
I also rescind. Die mother fucker

You got BAITED SO HARD.

On June 07 2017 16:14 Holyflare wrote:


You forfeit your right to be town when you did this. I don't care to lynch anyone else. You haven't even reevaluated anything since you rescinded.

I thought you might be town possibly initially (which i referenced a few times) but now you blatantly wanted to out blues instead. You weren't going to rescind unless a blue claimed.

Die.

On June 07 2017 16:19 Holyflare wrote:



????? AND THEN YOU RESCINDED AND CALLED ME TOWN FOR CLAIMING BLUE LOL

LOL

LOL

On June 07 2017 16:32 Blazinghand wrote:


ok but this won us a lynch d1

On June 07 2017 16:38 Blazinghand wrote:


so HF did this as town at LYLO... therefore... he's .... scum?

On June 07 2017 17:01 Grackaroni wrote:

I want to help you but most of these players aren't used to our shitty plays and they are going to want to punish you for this.

I also don't think either HF or BH are good lynches.

Off the top of my head I like Ritoky/Conversion lynches.

Also Tubesock is a definite possibility.

On June 07 2017 17:15 Blazinghand wrote:


By the way, this describes TO THE DOT what tubesock has been doing today:



Note that he wants to lynch HF, but never VOTES HF. due tot he pressure. He wants to kill both HF AND Vivax though. He also wants to lynch Vivax first if and only if Vivax recants.

I'm not saying Tubesock is scum, but in my opinion if you think both Vivax and HF are town, Tubesock should be your #1 scumread.

On June 07 2017 17:18 Grackaroni wrote:
I think I kinda forced the issue vis a vis Ritoky.

On June 07 2017 18:02 Blazinghand wrote:

like if I did cross the line at some point with my attacks on you BTDT please inform the host and any mod/ban actions on me will be adjudicated by someone else

On June 07 2017 18:02 Blazinghand wrote:

like if I did cross the line at some point with my attacks on you BTDT please inform the host and any mod/ban actions on me will be adjudicated by someone else

On June 07 2017 18:05 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax, in a world that myself and Blazinghand are town. And you are town. A stretch, I know. Who is mafia and why?

On June 07 2017 18:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I could also pretty confidently vouch for Blazinghand.

On June 07 2017 18:19 Holyflare wrote:


BH has put more effort into this day than 90% of the game. It's your very own day 1 metric that BH puts effort into analysis on town games. He's weighed up lynching between us all day and has generally been on the same wavelength as me all game. He's come to the conclusion you're mafia independently of your claim and is even trying to get people to play and molly coddling people so they stay and type more.

Even when you've rescinded he's still trying to work you out and get you to post more information.

I think he's pretty towny which is why it's perplexing why you think either of us are mafia.

On June 07 2017 18:24 Holyflare wrote:
Right but it was proven that was wrong and you still wanted to lynch him.

On June 07 2017 18:38 Holyflare wrote:
An actual reason why they're mafia? Some posts on it? A couple of lines isn't good enough because if you're town then this is the real world you should be playing in.

On June 05 2017 02:10 Tubesock wrote:
My preferred lynches are BH, btdt, then TW.

BH and TW for already stated reasons. btdt because I don't like nitpickers or martyrs. He's wrong on Conversion, if newbie excuses were the entire content of Cons post then he'd be right but Conversion posts reads and explains them.

I'm fine with HF and TW being in the same category. I mean you're HF the one who survives red checks. And I'm pretty convinced the mods messed up in generic and mislabeled your role when you died.

On June 05 2017 07:52 Tubesock wrote:
Voting btdt.

Looking at more stuff with Vivax and his progression. I didn't like his last reads and his colored vote analysis post seemed wrong.

HF could be mafia sure. I think he's needlessly making things more difficult for himself if he were.

On June 05 2017 08:05 Tubesock wrote:
I also thought deadline was 3 minutes ago.

HF, so why are you all of a sudden ready to lynch BH???

I don't want to lynch LS. But it's only cause he's LS and he makes me laugh. Haven't read him yet.

On June 07 2017 19:10 Holyflare wrote:
Also where the flying fuck has your PB is definitely mafia stance gone? Totally unexplained drop.

On June 07 2017 20:36 beentheredonethat wrote:
I don't want to lynch Vivax and I don't want to lynch Holyflare. I don't want to lynch Blazinghand. I'm paranoid about Blazinghand and Holyflare but the rational part of my mind says it's super unlikely they are scum together. If they are scum together, the game is lost anyways. BH and HF are driving the game forward. Vivax is mainly busy defending himself and blaming BH/HF being scum, and I'm of course busy with self-pity and so on.

Good thing we lynched scum D1, because if we hadn't, scum probably would be in a great position.

On June 07 2017 20:52 beentheredonethat wrote:
Okay. Thought experiment:


Assuming BH, HF, Vivax and me are all town and mafia is in the rather low volume players and having a good laugh about how town is currently screwing over itself. That leaves:

Tubesock, Tumblewood, LightningStrike, Grackaroni, ritoky, Prison Break, Conversion.

Now Tumblewood is the blue claim. The doctor. However, the nightkill was Onegu. Now keep in mind that the OP clearly says that the doctor cannot heal himself - so either scum didn't believe the doctor claim and did a potential medic dodge - or Tumblewood fakeclaimed to stay alive.

So right now, Tumblewood is un-cc'ed and the only claim. town!HF's move of "hey, not gonna tell the exact role so I don't out the "real" blue just in case" was actually really cool. Tumblewood let the whole D2 pass so far and didn't care too much about this game ALTHOUGH he's the claimed doctor and should be highly interested in finding out potential N2 heal targets, right? Mafia didn't kill him N1, so maybe he'll get another heal of. There might of course be other thinking patterns but this is one that I'd find likely to have as doctor.

Grackaroni - I'm currently putting him on the town pile. He worded exactly why I didn't want to lynch Vivax in a way that I really liked and I fully agreed with his thought process here. I quoted the post that I mean already, it's somewhere in my filter. Might be a bit too easy to townread here but I'll do it anyways.

LightningStrike - I still have no particular impression on what he's done so far. Townreads Tubesock, Grack, ritoky. He says that "HF vs. Vivax feels like town vs. scum" with a tendency to Vivax playing the scum part - what happened to that read D2? But then again, he was early to switch to fidei, plus:



I think this is a genuine town post.
His last appearance here was almost 24 hours ago so it's time for him to come back.

Tubesock has a full three pages of filter, mostly one liners that are not really amazing. I don't know why people townread that guy. But then again he was second on the Fidei wagon which should give him a lot of town cred.

In that thought experiment, our lynches should be between ritoky, Prison Break, Conversion. Those are at least the guys and gals to look into.

On June 07 2017 22:55 Conversion wrote:


I meant in your thought experiment Also your point on me was "where am I" and here I am! Honestly I was F5'ing the thread pretty hard since my last post but nothing was happening so I went away from the thread and am catching up now.

Also realized I didn't really make a lot of posts, so I guess that fits the "mafia letting town destroy themselves" so I'll try to be more active before deadline today, although from what I'm reading from the filter I still don't like Vivax's play... not sure if it's enough to autolynch him anymore but we'll see

On June 07 2017 23:20 Conversion wrote:


Hi, do you want to actually make comments instead of linking GIFs? Unlike you I'm actually trying to learn how to play games in different situations and you aren't helping.

Did you think that was a slip? I'm literally quoting what someone else said

Was that a bad thing to mention as town because it makes me look suspicious?