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Go ahead and take my spot Skynx I rather have someone with less experience than me play to get more experience. | ||
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On June 03 2017 08:37 Tubesock wrote: Hi world! It been a long time since we played with each other how it been? | ||
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On June 03 2017 08:49 Tubesock wrote: Life has been pretty good. I don't think I've played since November? How's school going? Summer break yet? I'm glad you're playing again. Ya I on summer break atm. Also glad to hear you doing good ![]() | ||
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On June 03 2017 19:09 Fidei86 wrote: Hi all! Long time no speak for a lot of you. I've played a bit of video Mafia since I've been away (which I'm horrible at, it turns out) but I'm excited to get back into forums. I think TW's thinking makes sense if you assume he doesn't know TS's usual posting style (which I think is like almost comically formal); it wasn't immediately obvious to me that TS was joking either. But that said, I'm not sure that I buy TW's switch to town reading TS? TW doesn't recant on his thinking TS is dumb - but if TS is joking then obviously he doesn't believe it, and so isn't dumb? I also don't like Vivax's read on TS. Asking about RNG lynches isn't driving the game forward either. I'd say TS is null and TW is scummy null; giving them both a town pass at this stage is waaay premature. But at the same time, I do really like Vivax pinging Grack. So overall TR. The people I really don't like are Onegu, BH, Grack and LS. Everyone else can be forgiven for not being in the thread (HF is British I think, so he gets a pass as well) but each of those has been here and has studiously avoided saying anything meaningful. LS has, what, four or five posts, none saying anything even vaguely game related. I seem to recall LS has trouble getting started as Mafia... this would fit right into that. Actually my last game I had trouble getting started too yet I was town? I guess you haven't followed any games in recent times lol. Filter from last game: http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/521332-generic-mini-mafia-ii?user=LightningStrike Granted it still early Day 1 atm. | ||
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On June 03 2017 22:25 Fidei86 wrote: Your fourth post in that game, which was an hour after your first, was substantive. But I see your point, insofar as it doesn't make you mafia. And I'm not calling you Mafia, I'm saying thread lurking is scummy and the longer it goes on the scummier it gets. Felt like you were trying to call me scum. Anyways thought on TW's townread on TS? | ||
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On June 03 2017 22:36 Fidei86 wrote: okay here's the thing I don't get: TW pointed out that TS's response to BH and the "rush" of posts was weird. I agree with TW insofar as that was the way I read it too, at first. But then TS said he was actually joking, which makes sense (and it fits in with TS' posting style insofar as I remember it from previous games). If it had ended there, fair enough. But then TW says "I still think what you said was weird, but you're towny" after TS had said it was a joke. That doesn't make sense to me. Like, TW landed pretty hard on TS for his initial read, and nothing changed other than TS claiming it wasn't serious, but TW's read flipped. So that's why I think TW is on the scummy side of null (not because his posts were forced, as others were saying). I too thought it was weird which is why I want TW to explain his townread on TS. The way he jumped on TS and later townreading him for that stuff being a joke is very unusual. | ||
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On June 03 2017 23:10 Fidei86 wrote: LS I think you need to re-read the above ... I agree that the TR isn't explained, but the thing I don't get is how can TS's comments be "hot garbage" and a joke at the same time. Ya that post a bit TW needs to explain it a bit. | ||
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On June 04 2017 02:01 Holyflare wrote: Also ls seemed to be missing the tw thing then copying so keep eye on that Ugh I saw the arguement just didn't pay any special attention to a post until James posted that quote from TW. | ||
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On June 04 2017 02:30 Holyflare wrote: Yehhh so you didn't see it and copied it! So there's like 2 pages in this game and you didn't pay attention to the only thing happening in it despite it being called out by vivax first then me and also fidei. Which is bad. Where I copied it? Show me because I did actually take note on the weird progression from TW on TS being scumread to townread. | ||
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Link of his filter from that game: http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/521332-generic-mini-mafia-ii?user=Holyflare My filter from that game: http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/521332-generic-mini-mafia-ii?user=LightningStrike ##Vote: Holyflare | ||
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On June 04 2017 02:45 Holyflare wrote: Like you're saying that you didn't pay attention to it while simultaneously saying you paid attention to it and it's scummy. While calling me mafia??? I found it weird get it right at least -.- | ||
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On June 04 2017 03:06 ritoky wrote: LS can you not just post 15-30 page filters and say "read this and you'll see my point!" who the fuck is actually going to do that? quote the posts or give me a page range at the very least. page 27 until end of page 29 | ||
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On June 04 2017 02:47 Fidei86 wrote: HF I think that might be a bit of a reach. Going through the game again it's clear LS noticed TW-TS, but just completely whiffed on why it was actually interesting. It could be scum "saying what's happening", but then this is LS - he has a ... different style. Only thing I saw that was interesting at the time was the scumread into townread switch until you quoted that weird post by TW. | ||
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On June 04 2017 03:17 ritoky wrote: oh...apparently it logs me out? weird It was from liquidlegends here the tl link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/521332-generic-mini-mafia-ii?user=Holyflare | ||
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On June 04 2017 03:22 ritoky wrote: this is his primary case against you and it doesn't feel similar at all. i guess he accusing you of being inconsistent again, that's the only real similarity i can see. am i missing something more? Did you read his follow up on that case? | ||
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On June 04 2017 03:33 ritoky wrote: i guess i get how tonally it can feel the same from your PoV because HF is saying you're inconsistent and if you were consistent you should think X, but you randomly think Y which makes no sense. but HF does that always and to pretty much everyone. it's how sometimes he ends up lynching dumb instead of scum. i think you're kinda omgusing. Hmm it might just be the tone because I never was consistent on stuff and I remember how some people as scum did try to push me for the same type of stuff in the past. | ||
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On June 04 2017 04:45 Blazinghand wrote: Eh, it's worth noting that this isn't really how a meta read someone being scum works though. Certainly you can and should give some weighting to this as "hey, I've seen scum do this" but it's more important to ask whether HolyFlare does this as scum. Although some things can certainly be said to be universal scumtells, if we're going to talk about someone's history of using a point or argument when they are scum, we should bear in mind that such arguments should apply to them more than to others. He can do ti as both alignments according to ritoky I just can't remember much about his town game since it been a while since HF been town period. | ||
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On June 04 2017 04:51 Holyflare wrote: LS are you going to play this game with 0 meta? There will be some meta. QUOTE]On June 04 2017 04:55 Blazinghand wrote: On June 04 2017 04:50 LightningStrike wrote: I wonder where Vivax is because I figured he be around atm :\ Clearly my RNG was, as always, 100% correct here i'll prove it ##Vote Vivax[/QUOTE] Ya no that not how it works...... Also the fight from BH vs Grack seems kinda forced? It just doesn't feel natural to me. | ||
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On June 04 2017 12:16 LightningStrike wrote: Just got back from the tournament and got 4th overall. I didn't expect to make top cut at all honestly that why I was absent since about 3:00 pm CST: There will be some meta. Ya no that not how it works...... Also the fight from BH vs Grack seems kinda forced? It just doesn't feel natural to me. | ||
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On June 04 2017 20:36 Holyflare wrote: And LS I'm challenging you this game. If you are town I don't want you to reference a single piece of meta. I want you to use reasons from this game. Anything else is a mafia claim. Do not ignore this post. You know I a meta heavy person right? On June 04 2017 20:29 Holyflare wrote: That list is so bull shit. If you think I haven't done enough then I'm null. But then you want to lynch my scum read for reasons I've outlined and that you apparently support. But I'm mafia on your list instead of null/towny which I should be if you agree with me. No. That doesn't add up at all. Sounds familiar :o | ||
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On June 05 2017 01:08 Holyflare wrote: I don't care if you're a meta heavy person. I'm making you evolve to be a better player. I had actually done that in the past I just never was a good case writer with current game stuff. The best case I ever made was in Titanic I had Cunning Plan where I made a case on prplhz: + Show Spoiler + On February 22 2015 06:58 LightningStrike wrote: Hey guys this is my case on prplhz being Mafia this game sorry for the delay I had to restart from scartch like I said earlier but without further ab-due here's my case on prplhz being and like I said earlier first thing to note he have a 4 page filter which is extremely small for this game but that alone doesn't make him Mafia. Well let's go to this quote from Day 1 from prplhz which I did question a bit: Now notice he claimed Red which would normally imply Mafia but in this game Town Power roles are Red and Mafia is Blue. Also he seemed to shocked someone called Blazinghand Mafia. This next quote I finding it pretty weird on certain stuff: First he said that Robik and Rayn were green reads of his and it was confirmed that they did in fact flip green. Also he calling himself Red which is in this game a Town Power role but again he still haven't claimed but why soft claim a power role at all unless you were me when I first started playing TL Mafia. Also he doesn't seem to follow up his read on FF on his post. This post I really dislike a lot: First off he already called Robik Green which VT or Miller earlier and now he also posting a whole bunch of nothing with only saying Robik and Blazinghand are stubborn and doesn't say if they were town or not although I think he thought we would assume he thinks both of them are town but him being lazy about it really making me ich. So this post is interesting: He decided to do a meta read on Palmar because apparently Palmar doesn't read the OP as Town but again this post seem to have little substance and the bolded inticating is that he want to hunt for our Town Power roles which stupid to do because we need them to do their jobs and help us find Mafia and the Serial Killer. This next post from prplhz making me cringe: Idk what was the purpose of this post by prplhz other than telling BH to just cut out the RNG lynch since he was wanting to RNG lynch VA so he was either townreading VA or is scum buddies with VA. This next post seems to contradict a earlier post of his: Now earlier he had posted this: So he haven't show a real progression on his own read on rayn and called him Vanilla Town earlier so what had changed? I checked his filter and he didn't explain any change before the post I quoted earlier about his change in reads on rayn. Also he already had checked the case on KSC being Mafia and liked it but he also said that we were getting no where with the KSC talked which is odd because if you think someone is Mafia you talk others and ask them what their view is on that person and people minds change over time normally. Now in this post it seemed to defend rayn even though he seemed to had changed his mind suddenly on him: So he thinks that Palmar looks town and both Palmar and Rayn shouldn't be lynched on Day 1 but why he wouldn't want to lynch one of his possible Mafia reads as soon as possible? In this post he hard attacks rayn after hard defending him to not be the Day 1 lynch: He showed no real progression on his read on rayn at least in his filter up to this point and turned up suddenly. He also called Rayn Mafia because he was keeping all of his doors open but yet he said he didn't reconsider reads when in that same post he said he did. In this post he seemed to again contradict a earlier statement: He just said he wanted to lynch Rayn but now he said don't lynch him again on Day 1 like him reconsidering when to lynch someone who he got as a scumread for him is really weird like if he was town he should of tried to convince people to lynch him if he really thought Rayn was Mafia. Now these next two quotes are really confusing: So first he never gave his reasoning to lynch Blazinghand then he unvotes him 2 minutes later like seriously why even vote him if you just going to unvote like 2 mins later like if you think someone is Mafia you vote them not vote then unvote but he never gave a reasoning for his vote on Blazinghand at all and that is very scummy. Now in this post his explains his Blazinghand vote but also attacks KSC: Okay so he said that KSC was tunneled on him(prplhz) tells him to stop unless KSC is Mafia but his explaination of his Blazinghand vote is he thought Blazinghand was Mafia for his claim then unvotes him because he thought Mafia would be dumb to do that type of claim and yet he says Blazinghand doesn't look like town and said that Blazinghand shouldn't of had us remember that Superbia has a 1% chance of flipping Mafia. Also he complains that it's hard to make a Mafia because it's too well and lian's lynch said nothing well he should of start asking questions and crap to figure out who's mafia and who isn't. These next two quotes are him attacking KSC over the fact that KSC thinks prplhz is Mafia and saying it's ridiculous: First he saying his excuse for inactivity was because of real life although if it's true he would of posted much more later but he didn't. Second he called Rayn out I think in the first quote for setup speculation and talking about rules as scummy but setup speculation should be considered null at best since we would know how the setup works based on the OP and reading the backstory of this setup. Third he attacks KSC calling his entrance scummy yet wanted to give a pause for a bit and saying that if he thought something he did call he never thinks something from KSC would townie is complete nonsense. This is pretty much my entire case on Prplhz being Mafia he haven't really done much scum hunting at all and letting others do it for him when he's a Vet player and he should know how to scum hunt at this stage in the game. ##Vote: Prplhz #Swag | ||
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On June 05 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote: LS what do you think if Fidei putting me in a mafia list with Tumblewood? You might call it weird but I done that before myself agreeing with someone's point doesn't mean they don't townread you. | ||
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On June 05 2017 02:21 Fidei86 wrote: LS can you give your top three scum? and top three town? top 3 town: Tubesock: Had some decent content that I agreed with. Grack: Tone says town Grack over scum Grack atm he seems genuine with his posts to BH. ritoky: Put in some work and read part of HF's filter from Generic plus decent content posts. top 3 scum BH: His push on Grack seems forced more or less and made a super big deal out of nothing? Also agreed with Tubeosck's point on him. TW: Didn't really like his reasoning on his townread switch on TS. It just feels weird. Honestly don't got a 3rd scum yet. | ||
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On June 05 2017 02:45 Holyflare wrote: Why did you drop your scum read on me LS? Moved you up to null because I will admit I might be paranoid about you considering yo ujust rolled scum vs me >.> | ||
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I already did answer it? | ||
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On June 05 2017 03:52 Holyflare wrote: Vivax could be mafia ![]() Why you think Vivax could be mafia? | ||
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On June 05 2017 04:14 Holyflare wrote: he's defending scummy people, pushing an actual coin flip and going after posts that I don't think he should be going after, like that PB one You don't think think we dealing with a sleeping scum team? | ||
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I trying to figure it out honestly. How you feel about Vivax vs HF? | ||
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I been reading it and feeling a bit lost. I know Vivax wont be able to continue to push HF Day 2 as scum. HF could do those arguments as both alignments that where my issue is. If both HF vs Vivax are town it been a battle of ego over nothing. The way it dragging making me think it's scum vs town on side or the other. | ||
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Maybe HF but not confident on it honestly. Slight chance it's town vs town with big egos against each other. | ||
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Like Isaid I not confident it's HF but if it'Vivax it will be clear Day 2. | ||
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On June 05 2017 06:20 Holyflare wrote: no it won't that's bs, he's kept up his activity and got me lynched day 2 before when he's mafia and I'm town so don't cop out on meta crap Really because when I had played vs Vivax's scum in the past he just pretty much doesn't do shit Day 2 as scum. | ||
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On June 05 2017 06:30 ritoky wrote: i have to go to the store soon. i think the best case is on TW, but i want to lynch LS for spending 5 posts listing every possible combination of viv vs hf. Well that's fine honestly although I don't think you know I more clueless as town than scum :o | ||
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On June 05 2017 06:40 ritoky wrote: okay but to me you feel like you're standing still in complete darkness. town LS should be feeling for walls and trying to find bearings, even if it is in misguided ways. also you never conclude anything unless you have some1 like me trying to drag it the hell out of you. it makes it seem like you want to remain "clean" or have plausible deniability at all times. Because sometimes people give me a ton of shit about these type of things even if I am right makes me don't really want to do shit if people going to shit on me anyways :\ | ||
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On June 05 2017 06:45 Holyflare wrote: shocking I know I would figure you would say no but voting TW just because TW is a easier target since no one was wanting Vivax. Interesting response from you. | ||
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Do I lynch BH who had a very seemed like forced push from him to Grack? Or do I try to lynch inside of Vivax vs HF? Although I starting to sort of think it was TvT in HF vs Vivax I know HF could do that stuff as scum too. | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:23 Tumblewood wrote: you should realize you are lynching me for just doing things i normally do ???????I remember you at least tried to explain your reads a bit but it been absent this game except for your read switch on TS. | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:27 Tumblewood wrote: i actually have explained my grack and bh reads, but hf just demands that i go into way more detail than i should have to. and everyone who i haven't given any sort of reasoning on is blendy as shit. like fidei. where is that guy, anyway? Let me rephrase: I thought you do go in more detail as town over scum on your reads. | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:35 Tumblewood wrote: you know, if we wanted we could lynch onegu for not doing shit He does that as both alignments. | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:36 Tumblewood wrote: this is a good sign you're bad at reading people HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM HOW CAN I JUSTIFY CONTINUING TO LYNCH TOWN I already unvoted you. | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:39 Grackaroni wrote: Onegu's big post is something I've never seen him do before and it wasn't all that useful. I mean Onegu doesn't do much as both alignments lol. | ||
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He's confirmed town until someone cc's him. hint: No one did. | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:48 Holyflare wrote: no he's absolutely not unless you're mafia and know that he's town It's the general rule of thumb regarding blues? | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:59 Holyflare wrote: i don't think he's doctor Why? | ||
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Assuming you talking about TW. | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:00 Holyflare wrote: I absolutely think LS is the optimal lynch today by the way. Better me than a claimed blue I guess. | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:02 Holyflare wrote: all right, yes, absolutely let's lynch LS he has faaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr too many posturing posts in this game and all his weird "dilemmas" are so far-fetched and obvious choices that it looks really bad Yet I shown this more as town than scum in past games. ##Vote: Holyflare | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:08 Onegu wrote: I just read the dumbest thing I have ever read in a game of mafia. Thank you BTDT... What was it? | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:08 Holyflare wrote: No that's absolutely a lie, your posts about what choices to make are really faked like lynching between myself and vivax over a scum read despite you thinking myself and vivax was town vs town. That's a really faked post. Then when you were asked to pick SvT between me and vivax by ritoky you listed every single possibility of what it could be and you didn't pick up anything to do with TW and TS at the beginning of the game and you instantly believed a blue claim near deadline and called him confirmed town despite there being a possibility of mafia fake claiming or a CC by someone who has gone to sleep or anything whatsoever - you basically knew he was confirmed doctor because you know he's town all bad things I been taught that if someone is a claimed blue unless they are cc'd they are confirmed town..... | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:10 Holyflare wrote: that's a bad teacher if that's the case Slam and Lonemeow were my town coaches outside the one time I let GlowingBear coach me in a normal/themed game. | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:10 Onegu wrote: If they are being lynched you have to take it with a grain of salt. It was 2 hours before EoD there was plenty of time he could of argued his way out of the lynch anyways. | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:13 Holyflare wrote: and you don't think a mafia with 6-2 vote lead doesn't want to not be lynched or draw out a CC? Not that early. Would think closer to about 30 minutes before EoD before claiming. | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:21 Vivax wrote: ..................................................... He's still here, still not doing any scumhunting whatsoever. He willing to get lynched over our unCCed blue. | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:24 Vivax wrote: Can it be so fucking hard to reach a consensus? We have HF who is mafia playing the game, but he is playing the game. We have BH not playing the game, but people keep thinking he's town for the dumbest of reasons. We have Tubesock who smokes some strange stuff and wants to lynch me. TW and LS just don't want a good wagon that can't be swayed and try splitting town into BH and HF camps and will end up getting someone else entirely lynched. The bestest smartest lynch is BH. [b]If Grack wants to switch to HF that badly, I'll switch witch Grack, otherwise LS and TW have to vote BH.[b] Why? I honestly don't think BH will flip town due to his martyr. | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:51 Grackaroni wrote: Who's dying right now? BH if I reading the votes right. | ||
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##vote: Fidei86 Rather kill james over TW atm this vote should help save TW. | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:55 LightningStrike wrote: ##Unvote ##vote: Fidei86 Rather kill james over TW and BH atm this vote should help save TW. | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:55 Grackaroni wrote: We really should have killed BH. This isn't town BH. You sure? | ||
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Not enough time to switch. | ||
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On June 05 2017 09:10 Blazinghand wrote: Once again Blazinghand saves the day with his good choices Ugh no you voted off the wagon EoD for no reason at all. | ||
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On June 05 2017 09:11 Vivax wrote: He was green this is a bastard game You sure he was green because all I see is red :o | ||
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On June 05 2017 09:12 ritoky wrote: i still think i voted on mafia. I mean you never were able to read me town ever so nope ![]() | ||
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On June 05 2017 09:21 Prison Break wrote: or they tried to get me instead? Looking at the vote count I don't think so. After James the vote count was all over the place. | ||
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On June 05 2017 09:39 Prison Break wrote: I mean how many scum are there. I assume 3? one was fidei. Maybe one was AFK. So you make any conclusions on this based off literally 1 person who did or didn't fight it? At least 1 was afk if not maybe 2 with James. If both scum were around EoD then they made a error letting James get lynched in that fashion. | ||
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On June 05 2017 09:59 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah it's possible, I think it was a pretty snappy shenannie though. Shenannies are vastly underrated and people think that scum can stop them but really they're one of the most powerful tools in the town toolbox. As former shenanigan king I assure you this is true They had like 10 mins I think which is plenty of time to try to sway people away I think. | ||
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On June 06 2017 03:49 ritoky wrote: i work graveyards in the ER so, i been at work and asleep. i mean what do you want me to say? mechanics and my brain tells me that tomorrow we don't lynch anyone who voted on dead lynch mafia because that's optimal play; but i just think LS is mafia. not only did he have basically no reads while being active and present all d1, but he wasn't even trying to get reads. plus that whole take 5 posts to list every possible scenario of vivax and hf arguing was just a steamy turd. plus you look at his post lynch reaction and compare it to BH (who i think comes off incredibly town); and it's just bad. he is reaching for cred like he led a lynch or hammered a lynch when he is an extraneous vote on a basically 7 vote wagon, and has never even said anything relevant about the guy in his filter. plus you go look at his filter in relation to fid: Fidei puts tiny pressure on LS, LS posts a filter link. fidei just stops, then magically LS becomes a town lean. trashcan post about agreeing things are weird. fidei tossing LS softballs. i don't really think i am conf biasing James pretty much spewed me town although iffy at best but here the thing. I went on james because it was either TW who claimed doctor or BH who I felt had atownie reaction to wanting to get lynched over the doctor so I went with the james wagon. We got lucky there that James flipped scum. But that leaves the real question: What the hell scum was doing EoD? The ycould of controlled the lynch yet they didn't. Do you think I would kill my gf that early regardless of what would happen when I care more about the team? I wouldn't risk losing a scum member to shannies at all hell I wouldn't risk it even more on the gf. Also James questions to me I was actually being honest right there I had no 3rd option right at that time. | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:58 LightningStrike wrote: I not feeling good about this switch to james now with everyone jumping on broad. I was rather surprised about the flip there as shown here: On June 05 2017 09:10 LightningStrike wrote: lmao didn't expect that flip. Either mafia was afk EoD or are willing to bus James for no reason. | ||
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On June 06 2017 04:30 ritoky wrote: i reject that you had any influence EoD on the vote; and personal relationships are relevant cuz? I would of actually tried to influence them to stay on BH or get back on BH at that time if I was scum there and James asked me a question so I decided to be honest about my answer of not having 3 scums. You know very well I don't normally got that many scum until maybe Day 2 or 3 max -.- | ||
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On June 06 2017 04:29 ritoky wrote: bh waited until the dude was basically in the ground b4 playing games, he didn't endanger shit. and wasted my vote? i came back with 3 minutes, barely grasped that a blue had been claimed and voted on the next up on my list. you act like my vote could have done anything. i don't see a quadruple voter role in this game. It still makes you and BH look bad for VCA that why I giving a damn about it. We both know wasting votes regardless of the flip is terrible. | ||
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Damdred told me this in one of the games in my early days of playing no joke there. On June 06 2017 04:46 ritoky wrote: i mean i could sit here and argue back that i would have voted on fid for the free cred if i come back to the thread and my partner is basically dead. but where's that gonna get us? Some towncred you could use for later. On June 06 2017 04:49 ritoky wrote: i don't get you LS. do you think i am wrong or mafia? i feel like you're talking to me like i am wrong, not mafia; which is just bizarre. I don't know honestly like I thought you were townie early on but your EoD voting on a off wagon that wasn't going to happen seems sketchy. Which is a issue I had with BH too EoD on his vote switch to Vivax. | ||
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On June 06 2017 05:42 Vivax wrote: Yea well if you think I'm mafia for afking this game shoot me tonight cause I'm pulling a rayn and will be afk. Just gonna vote when either of HF or BH gets lynched and make a token post during the day. Why you so sure BH and HF are scum? | ||
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On June 06 2017 08:48 Holyflare wrote: The correct play at night is to play just as you would in the day. Also I'm going to bed. Tumblewood isn't medic, I am vet. Why didn't you you were the vet EoD before shannies happened? | ||
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On June 06 2017 08:52 LightningStrike wrote: Why didn't you say you were the vet EoD before shannies happened? | ||
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I mean actually claiming your role not just saying he's not the doctor..... | ||
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I would think you would cc him to get the lynch off.... | ||
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On June 06 2017 09:02 Holyflare wrote: Tumblewood is mafia how does he kill himself? Why is it weird? Because I would think they would target someone other than Onegu like you or BH or whoever really. | ||
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On June 06 2017 09:02 Holyflare wrote: No i absolutely wouldn't because he's a free mafia and we can get info on someone else Fair play I guess it just not the way I was taught on how to play blue. | ||
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On June 06 2017 09:04 Holyflare wrote: Not the guy that led the wagon on their team mate? Obviously this isn't a normal nk since Onegu isn't known for extraordinary abilities as town that's why lol. | ||
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On June 06 2017 09:07 Grackaroni wrote: I was a bit surprised they killed Onegu but I don't think it's terrible. Maybe they thought TW was veteran or something. ???? | ||
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On June 06 2017 09:09 Grackaroni wrote: HF is a definite fake. Why you say that when he left some breadcrumbs? | ||
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Town Veteran .You have a bulletproof vest that can absorb one bullet. This means you need to be shot twice in order to die: once to destroy the vest, once to kill you. If you are roleblocked, however, your bulletproof vest doesn't work that night. You win with the town Ugh you didn't read the op correctly O_o | ||
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On June 06 2017 09:20 Grackaroni wrote: Maybe Onegu got vigged and I failed with the RBer and you're already confirmed. I think that must be it. You claiming vig or what?????? | ||
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On June 06 2017 09:26 Holyflare wrote: How did I not read it correctly? If tw was just town fake claiming then mafia was afraid he's vet and shot someone else because they have no rber. That's what grack is implying the situation is. With his tmi. Oh meh just a weird situation that why I am confused in this mess. | ||
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On June 06 2017 09:40 Tubesock wrote: So basically, we lynch Tumblewood, if he flips doc we lynch HF for doing a similar play he did in last game. But last game, he did it to out the doc didn't he? Would a town Tumblewood fakeclaim to stay alive? Is there a world where HF is fakeclaiming Vet as town? 1.Yes he outed our doc last game by claiming into recding once Vivax cc'd him. 2 and 3. No | ||
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On June 06 2017 10:47 Prison Break wrote: If we assume TW got rb'd tonight and rb can't target the same target twice, then he may get nightkilled tomorrow night Pretty sure they could just rb a person as often as they like. | ||
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On June 06 2017 22:54 Holyflare wrote: Have you even read anything? It's clearly fake, he slips up in his own post. On June 06 2017 12:53 Vivax wrote: Morning. I'm cop and redchecked HF (in spite of his BS vet claim at the end of the night). Now what's going to happen is: You're all going to go ham on whether cop and doc is likely in this setup. Everyone will either vote HF or me as it should be. At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments. Now I will park my vote on HF, and probably afk until the end of the day when I check in to see if he got lynched. I literally don't care who you vote, but it has to be one of us. You talking about the bolded area in spite of his BS vet claim part? If so it seems super weird for him to put that in the post. | ||
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On June 07 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote: And LS I was hoping to cut off the hydras head in one clean swipe with that play but it backfired. Aaaahhhh but you will look back and think "if we only lynched him that day already". Okay... A little odd. | ||
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On June 07 2017 23:50 Holyflare wrote: He wanted to draw a blue out and he "did". It's dumb move regardless of his alignment that why I am confused. | ||
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On June 08 2017 00:24 Holyflare wrote: Why is that surprising? Because we suppose to solve you vs Vivax not voting anyone else obviously -.- | ||
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On June 08 2017 00:51 Holyflare wrote: If he's made a case stating why vivax is town and believes it why is it weird? I would think he would vote you instead of ritoky that's why. | ||
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On June 08 2017 01:18 Holyflare wrote: But he town reads me scum reads ritoky? Why on earth would he vote me?? If vivax is town that doesn't make me mafia that just makes him awful. I don't see a post where he townreads you within the last day cycle unless it was from Day 1? | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:00 ritoky wrote: Have you really been "waiting to see" or have you just been afk and disinterested in the game? Cuz your post doesn't sound like you read the past 10 or so pages. Yep I really been waiting to see honestly. I did read the last 10 pages just skimmed them more of less. | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:03 ritoky wrote: why are you so afraid to make any reads this game? I been thinking about rather the fact Vivax if he was the real cop (hint he retracted his claim) who was pissed off and didn't do shit after red checking HF but then later he unclaimed. I honestly can't tell whether it's scum Vivax doing a suicidal move or a depressed town Vivax. | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:04 Holyflare wrote: Hey ls why did you make me stop scum reading fidei? I didn't? | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:08 Holyflare wrote: He was waiting for a cc because he knew i was town and vivax couldn't be cop :D No I don't know if you are town or not -.- | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:07 ritoky wrote: So were you actively watching the game and looking for a CC like you said LS or were you just afk and lying? Cuz the fact that you seem to have no clue about why grack isn't voting on hf or vivax when it is pretty clear if you read the thread, suggests the latter. I skimmed the thread looking for a cc until I saw Vivax retracted his claim. | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:11 ritoky wrote: Also regarding Vivax, I get the argument that grack makes for how your play can come from a place of town anger and frustration.....but I have a hard time believing that you never once considered "what if everyone believes me and i am wrong? with this play". You take town from a place of lynching mafia to lynching back to back townies most likely. Also why did you feel you had to make a play like this, you thought there's no way you can get hf lynched through conventional means? Well he did sounded angry about the fact James got lynched instead EoD and was giving us shit about it. | ||
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That's your own fault for taking my words as gospel then. I didn't say he was town or scum based on that I just say you might call it weird -.- | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:15 ritoky wrote: being uncertain on vivax's alignment doesn't prevent you from having other reads. or conditional reads based on what he flips. do you have any of those? Got you likely town but still found it weird that you went on a off wagon EoD. BH could be town based on his reaction of potentially getting lynched but again he went off wagon pretty close to EoD. Grack I feel is very likely town because he playing similar to generic how he was somewhat trolly but later did try to put in some work. TS I will have to reread his filter and ofc TW is unCCed doctor. | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:18 Holyflare wrote: No it's your fault! Blaming me when you are considered the better player now that is strange to say at least. | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:21 ritoky wrote: why isn't HF town? fear? respect? or something in particular? I respect his scum game a lot but he more of a null read atm because of that. | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:22 Holyflare wrote: It's all your fault. Also tw isn't the unCCd doctor. He's mafia. No it not my fault when you take things as gospel. Also why is TW mafia instead of being the unCCed doctor? | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:24 ritoky wrote: so no feelings or specifics that triggered that? just your generic brand "he's holyflare so if he is alive day 4 i am gonna lynch him cuz it is what you do" read? Sort of. He blaming me for some bull shit stuff atm but he always look townie as both alignments with his posts. | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:31 ritoky wrote: Also LS, why am I likely town? I liked some of your posts early on and your tone actually does sound genuine but you still can't read me well ![]() | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:38 ritoky wrote: Can I take a moment to laugh at the dumpster fire that is my country right now? I just read the opening statement Comey is going to give tomorrow, and all I can do is laugh in pain. It been a shitfest since Trump took office and now we being looked as the laughing stock of the world ![]() feelsbadman | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:39 LightningStrike wrote: I liked some of your posts early on and your tone actually does sound genuine but you still can't read me well ![]() Mainly you trying to talk to me about HF and actually reading his case on me in generic which is a unnecessary effort I don't think you would do as scum. | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote: Ls hit me up with a tmi read list. I not scum? | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:01 Holyflare wrote: Also please note that LS posted no read list when asked. Let it be known. I did gave some reads but you also worded like you think I am scum. You were going to call it a TMI town list so bother if you just going to call it TMI? | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote: Ls hit me up with a tmi read list. How does that not sound like you were ready to just call me scum? | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:06 Holyflare wrote: I didn't call you scum. Please, mafia, give me your read list. You calling me scum again what the fuck is wrong with you? You seriously can't be this serious...... ##Vote: Holyflare | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:08 beentheredonethat wrote: This isn't HF vs Vivax anymore though. It's just Vivax vs his bad play. If "bad play" wins, he flips town, if not, he flips scum - or so, I guess you get the point They were shit fighting since Day 1 we have to decide it today or not at all. | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:24 Holyflare wrote: I haven't once called you scum, you mafia dog! scum=mafia don't you know that -.- | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:26 Holyflare wrote: Not once did we shit fight. I just called out his bs tirade. Then what you called Day 1 argument between you two then? | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:28 Holyflare wrote: Last time I checked scum = scum and mafia = mafia. I don't know what dictionary you're using. You should know better that scum=mafia in almost every forum. | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:30 Holyflare wrote: You think Blazinghand is town. Vivax kept pushing bs meta that was wrong to say he was definitely mafia. I said he was a coin flip and provided evidence. Why is that a shit fight instead of a constructive discussion where I proved vivax wrong on multiple fronts? What was shit about it? Because it lasted pages upon pages long. Maybe I should just rephrase it: Long fighting. | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:32 Holyflare wrote: And why do you keep repeatedly harping on about solving HF vs Vivax? Vivax has fake claimed. Vivax didn't rescind UNTIL someome claimed blue (me). He waited for a CC. He forced someone to out their role to lynch a town member. But now you're lynching me because you couldn't possibly see that as a mafia play. I done that shit as town so I can see his PoV it just a stupid thing to do as both alignments though. He did showed frustration EoD 1 about not getting his prefered lynch which felt genuine. | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:33 Holyflare wrote: I stand by my comment. I have not called you scum. You were treating me like it and calling me mafia = calling me scum in everything forum including this one. | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:36 Holyflare wrote: And why can't you analyse that fight with new information you think you have? You think Blazinghand is town. One of us was defending the stand point that he was a coin flip after he posted nothing and linked multiple games worth of meta to display that point. The other one selectively picked one or two games to say he was definitely mafia and that he should be lynched. When proven wrong with links that countered this argument he maintained BH was still mafia. Then that same person fake claimed a red check, drew out a "blue" claim and has done nothing. So why was this so hard for you to decipher? Is it because you did not at any point read the vivax/me conversation? I read both sides it just felt very dumb from my PoV arguing over very small things. | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:37 Blazinghand wrote: WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA you got it backwards, once again you are LYING!?!?!? You both are at fault for the fight between each other. | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:38 Blazinghand wrote: btw this was a joke, all grack related shit is on hold until this day is over ..............I went full Romanian then. | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:42 Blazinghand wrote: + Show Spoiler [meme] + ![]() OK but like, and I hate to beat a dead horse here, Grack literally said provably false things, even if you think he did so unknowingly. I don't get the reference </3 Not understand sarcasm is usually associated with being Romanian on TL. | ||
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On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote: You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum. Yes your vote was on Vivax at the end of the day as shown here: On June 08 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: Day Two Final Vote Count Vivax (7): Holyflare (2): Vivax, ritoky (1): Grackaroni Prison Break (1): beentheredonethat Grackaroni (0): beentheredonethat (0): Tumblewood (0): Nice try on lying on that front. | ||
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On June 08 2017 09:14 Blazinghand wrote: This was a joke post. this was a joke post. I was joking Oh rip didn't see this still trying to catch up responding to some people's posts. | ||
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On June 08 2017 09:19 Tumblewood wrote: see, this is why we don't fakeclaim as town. Ya it pretty shitty thing for Vivax to do but we can solve this game better now I think. | ||
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On June 08 2017 12:30 Blazinghand wrote: Sweet mother of mercy you know you can scroll like three posts up to see me saying "Vivax is definitely scum" above the post in which I am claiming that I defended Vivax. Man the moral of the story is to never tell jokes I guess I was still catching up at the time and I don't read sarcasm well :\ | ||
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Because I thought you were more likely mafia over Vivax and I already said we had to solve you vs Vivax.... | ||
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On June 08 2017 21:20 Tubesock wrote: Speaking of LS. LS, Who do you trust? Aside from HF, who do you want to kill? I don't need reasons. Are you still only suspicious of two people? Let's talk about who holds your interest at the moment. If no one in particular stands out, can you pick one of Grack, PB, BH or btdt? I've seen things I've liked and disliked of all of them. If I had a gun to my head probably PB but it only because I townread the others and didn't really read his filter which I should do at some point. | ||
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On June 08 2017 21:24 Holyflare wrote: LS only scum reads me because I trolled him and he didn't even realise. Were you really just trolling me in the last cycle???????? Couldn't tell honestly....... | ||
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On June 08 2017 21:44 Holyflare wrote: Can you link me his filter in hearthstone filter? :p http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi?user=Prison Break | ||
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On June 08 2017 22:16 Tubesock wrote: I'm looking for his rational for not voting Fidei. He said somewhere that Fidei was the one he pushed the most. But PB was there at eod and didn't vote him? He was there EoD with like 3 minutes to go and voted btdt since he thought btdt was scum then from what I reading from page 1 of his filter. | ||
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On June 09 2017 01:16 Prison Break wrote: EBWOP (I'm basically asking you why you're townreading others over me) At the time I didn't read your filter and I don't think you're scum. I still got HF still as a scum read Conversion some of his stuff comes off weird espcally his reaction to Vivax's lynch and tryign to defend himself for some reason about being on a team with you was impossible. If I wrong on any of my townreads maybe BH or Grack. Their fight seemed off idk from which side though. | ||
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On June 09 2017 03:02 Holyflare wrote: But why am i ever your scum read? That's totally unexplained. I explained it before?????? I really started t odislike you when you were "Trolling" me towards the end of the day plus now you been wrong on TW and Vivax being scum with TW beign the a doctor and Vivax being VT. I know better than that as town. | ||
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On June 09 2017 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote: The really weird thing is that it's almost day 3 and I cannot remember any scumreads nor any pushes from Holyflare. He pushed TW and Vivax..... | ||
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On June 09 2017 03:20 beentheredonethat wrote: The Vivax push doesn't count imho. D2 started with Vivax claiming cop and redcheck HF. HF was obliged to scumread Vivax. He was pushing Vivax Day 1 well before the fake claim.... | ||
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On June 09 2017 03:22 beentheredonethat wrote: EBWOP, once again Well I remembered just you not memorable for you I guess (shrugs). | ||
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On June 09 2017 03:37 Holyflare wrote: The dude fucking fake red checked me. Of course I'm going to lynch him. And tw isn't gonna be the doctor. Okay I will forgive you on the Vivax part but why are you very convinced that TW is not the doctor????? | ||
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On June 09 2017 03:40 Blazinghand wrote: Hmm you know what the worst part about Vivax flipping town is, is that now people will use this to claim RNG isn't good It was never good when I played with you :o | ||
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On June 09 2017 03:46 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah see if Vivax had flipped scum I'd be able to rebut you super duper hard right here I mean hit town more with your RNG when I played with you :o | ||
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On June 09 2017 04:04 Holyflare wrote: Didn't someone say he did that as scum though? Where was that Grack mentioned he went afk for a cycle as scum before idk which game he talking about honestly. | ||
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On June 09 2017 09:54 Holyflare wrote: Sample Setup: 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon The sample setup is theoretically what we have. Unless someone claims. My shot was on you LS but then i cancelled it and shot no one to save a mislynch. I sad you did canceled would of made the game easier on town ![]() | ||
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On June 09 2017 09:53 Holyflare wrote: Because we lose a mislynch. Just did the math we would lose a mislynch like said I guess that's fair. | ||
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On June 09 2017 09:57 Tumblewood wrote: hmmmmm everything lines up with hf being blue, except having a gf with no cop is a little weird. that could of course be one of those things they do to make the setup harder to figure out though gf with no cop is stuff I seen other hosts do just to mind game town in a semi closed setup. | ||
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On June 09 2017 11:14 Conversion wrote: or is the setup Veteran/Doc/Vigi?? it's vig doc so far. | ||
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On June 09 2017 11:43 ritoky wrote: At work on break so I can't type much or go retrieve my crumbs from my filter, but BTDT & grack Quick reasoning, my case on BTDT day 1 + he emo'd me and I didn't want to be fooled by it. Considered switching to grack or LS. Day 2 grack because obvious reasons. Should of checked me damn it ![]() | ||
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On June 09 2017 11:53 Conversion wrote: okay ritoky is cop so now we have three claims in TW/ritoky/HF. initial view is that I want to believe HF/ritoky are the correct claims and TW is a lazy, dodgy, I-fly-under-the-radar scum, but I should look into it more. also what does crumb mean? does that mean leaving little clues in that your play is centered around your role, but not actually revealing it, helping you when you do blue claim down the line? good to know that BTDT and Grack returned green. I really hope PB is just a town bickering with a town BTDT in that case, which leads to a TW/HF/ritoky-LS team at a small glance at my initial thoughts post before N2 ended. That pretty much what a crumb is. I did try to draw the cop and or the vig on to me so I wouldn't be a question mark honestly. | ||
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Me so I wouldn't be a question mark BH so we got better info about Day 1 HF so we know if he's town or not since he plays a strong scum game. | ||
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On June 09 2017 12:02 Conversion wrote: also I think everyone sort of knows that 3 blue claims is probably 1 scum so do you have anything else to add? who are your top scum reads out of the 3 and who are the remaining two scum? who are your strong town reads aside from BTDT and grack assuming they are confirmed town? do you believe ritoky is fake claiming as a possibility? or HF? or TW? what's your opinion besides stating the obvious scenario I pretty sure ritoky is not lying the question becomes HF or TW for me . Grack or me would of been checks for ritoky so it makes sense he did check Grack I just didn't want to be a question mark. HF has been going after TW even after the claim so it makes some sense but I would of figured he would of shot but he wasn't confident due to math. Which leaves TW which he was being lynched until he claimed but claimed to been roleblocked which could be faked. | ||
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On June 09 2017 12:06 Conversion wrote: ya but let's say the cop was BTDT and he had 5 question marks. why check you over any of the other 5? He was having second thoughts on me I think? Just so he get a confirmed read right. At least I know PB was having second thoughts sort of about my alignment. | ||
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On June 09 2017 12:15 Conversion wrote: really? I read through ritoky and it seems his play seems to sort of center around his checks. D1 read on BTDT, claims him as scum. once he is unsure because of the emotional play, he checks BTDT, and drops the entire case on BTDT and gives small town reads on him afterwards. D2 ritoky argues with Grack, finds him suspicious, checks him. claims D3, confirmed cop. either he's mindfucking me and set this up since D1 with scum, or he's actually cop. I'm inclined to believe he's more cop than HF/TW lying about their claim. TW who did you try to save N2 and did you get RB'd? There was this post I think might of been him bread crumbing he was blue in the first place: On June 06 2017 13:03 ritoky wrote: vivax are you actually claiming for realsies? like never back down never surrender claiming? cuz i am kinda over people fake claiming and softing He did something similar in I'm the Cop you Idiot Town's Revenge where he was the doctor trying to see if someone was really claiming or not. | ||
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On June 09 2017 12:19 Conversion wrote: I mean on the flip side, he could be confident that you're mafia and is trying to figure out the second one, so he reads grack. grack turns out to be town, now he's sure you're teamed with mafia and possible +1. He's looking to see if there is any way his claim can make a possible scum realm within blue claims, so maybe he waits a little bit (or he's busy, seems like he's a busy person). he sees HF claims vigi, ritoky sees this and claims cop, mafia team is you-TW, checkmate mafia? that might have been his thought process when making that play. so what makes you not mafia? like no offense you have 11 pages of filter and I'm not seeing you doing anything I did try to do stuff but then got it shut down and I more of a sheeper anyways as town. Also I do see your point he could of done that but he could of also tried to make sure his read is correct first before doing. He could of done either action. | ||
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On June 09 2017 12:20 Prison Break wrote: more as in "idk who's scum" anyway I think HF looks good because when he retracted his blue claim I immediately thought he was still blue and just retracted it to dodge a nightkill hard to believe everyone wanted TW dead and then switched to fidei lol, so I'll look into ritoky first but we also have to look into the order in which the claims happened etc. Out of the blues that claimed TW first then HF then ritoky. | ||
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On June 09 2017 12:28 Prison Break wrote: yes, but I mean looking at if the order gives us a better read on them. why would they do this as mafia: TW claimed cause he was about to get lynched that day so his timing isn't giving towncreds HF claimed for seemingly no real reason, and I keep thinking how the vivax redcheck on HF couldn't have been staged by HF so if HF is mafia it's not cause he set it up, but purely coincidence Why does ritoky claim as mafia, did he have pressure? or does he think he can get both HF and TW killed? (not ruling that possibility out) I honestly thinking TW is faked due to that plus how HF did hint about being blue with how he was kept saying that TW wasn't the doctor and shit. | ||
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On June 10 2017 01:31 Holyflare wrote: Also in so far as tw claiming rb all game, if he's the fake doc they could be paranoid of a vet and rb every person they kill and he just claims it. I was thinking that too honestly. I remember in my first newbie game Superbia who was scum kept claiming to be roleblocked all game long because they roleblocked their night kills if I remember correctly. | ||
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On June 10 2017 03:20 Grackaroni wrote: Of all the scum games I saw one cop claim from him in imperial mafia but you weren't in that game. I remember that game because I was shadowing Palmar. God damn sicklucker with that fake cop claim as town :\ | ||
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On June 10 2017 03:47 ritoky wrote: LS, i am interested in who you think is mafia outside the claims? From my PoV it's one of Covnersion, PB, and Tubesock by PoE alone. PB seems likely town by meta. So that leaves Conversion and Tubesock as my last scum there. Tubesock did vote 2nd on James but if TW was the roleblocker he probably would do that bus honestly. Conversion I liked some of his posts after I read his filter a bit but his weird reaction to the flip seems odd defending himself about being a team with PB. So ya One of Tubesock and Conversion is my last scum you? | ||
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On June 10 2017 04:12 Holyflare wrote: I think tw might be rber I didn't see this post until I just posted my potential scum list lmao. | ||
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On June 10 2017 04:07 kitaman27 wrote: ![]() I can't understand why it's so difficult for the Brits to realize that Lord Buckethead is the only politician (and intergalactic overlord) that truly represents the interests of the common folk. Why the host is talking about politics in the game thread rolf. | ||
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On June 10 2017 04:25 LightningStrike wrote: I didn't see this post until I just posted my potential scum list lmao. But to be real though it would explain why they would switch to James over lynching TW. | ||
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On June 10 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote: And his switch was very carefree I liked it a lot Switching from roleblocker to GF would better than losing the roleblocker to be fair there since the roleblocker could still block cop checks and your shot too. | ||
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On June 10 2017 04:37 ritoky wrote: I think figuring out you is the key for me to solve the game. So walk me through your read on me and HF respectively, since from what I can gather your TW read is entirely "he's un-cc'd blue" with no further interaction. For me you read me town for examining a past game's filter, then I called you mafia, and you seemingly wavered, then you didn't interact with me forever, and then you said mine was the most believable claim. Is there more depth to it, and what makes mine the most believable? Then explain your hf read over the course of the game, because in your filter you speak a disproportionate amount to hf compared to anyone else in the game, but I never got the sense you committed to a solid read whether that be out of paranoia or? Part of my HF read was paranoia especially Day 1 and ritoky did called me out on that and moved him to null. Didn't like his trolling to me towards EoD 2. Now I think his attacking TW's doc claim since Day 1 lines up with him actually being blue. | ||
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I guess? Let me recheck his switch to James EoD 1. | ||
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On June 10 2017 04:45 ritoky wrote: what specifically made my claim most believable? I found one of your bread crumbs to be very similar to how you treated malongo in I'm the Cop You Idiot Town Revenge trying to force him to hard claim his role and plus your checks make sense although i wish you checked me Night 1. Plus I found you pretty townie too before the claim anyways. | ||
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On June 09 2017 12:17 LightningStrike wrote: There was this post I think might of been him bread crumbing he was blue in the first place: He did something similar in I'm the Cop you Idiot Town's Revenge where he was the doctor trying to see if someone was really claiming or not. | ||
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On June 10 2017 04:54 Conversion wrote: are you seriously calling me possible scum in a post I made during D2 in reply to BTDT saying I was a scum team with PB? can you make a better case than that? You and Tubesock are only PoE scum at this point because I townreading PB after everything.. | ||
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On June 10 2017 04:53 Holyflare wrote: Ls what makes my claim believable instead of a mafia strategy? It seems very genuine espcally how you kept telling me he not the doctor over and over again and I kept telling you he was UnCCed. Plus if TW flips doctor you are scum so there's that from my PoV. | ||
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On June 10 2017 04:58 LightningStrike wrote: You and Tubesock are only PoE scum at this point because I townreading PB after everything I had said about his meta which HF does support as well.. | ||
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On June 10 2017 05:00 Holyflare wrote: If he flips doctor why am I mafia? because I find ritoky's claim the most believable one out of you three given my experience with playing with his blue in Town's Revenge. | ||
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On June 10 2017 05:03 Holyflare wrote: You're mafia you used meta. How does using meta make me scum? You used meta too on PB so what makes mine different? | ||
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This was when he revealed his bread crumbs: On February 14 2017 07:30 ritoky wrote: ritoky blatantly talking about optimal save strategies in thread: ritoky thinking he softed too hard and is gonna die: ritoky reacting to Malongo's claim: ritoky pushing for Mal to hard claim so he can cc: we good here? we good. | ||
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I showed I could play without meta Jesus Christ man...... Why not shoot you like I told you to idiot? | ||
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On June 10 2017 05:15 Holyflare wrote: I don't think I've ever seen LS rage and say fuck as town STEP ON A LEGO YOU FAGGOT | ||
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On June 10 2017 05:17 Holyflare wrote: LS link me some meta where you rage quit as town? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/505463-tl-mafia-lxxiv-storm-mafia-3?user=LightningStrike&page=25 Last post for the game................ | ||
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On June 10 2017 06:01 Prison Break wrote: LS how certain are you that I'm town? 95% unless you improved your scum game from last time which I don't think you could improve your scum game leaps and bound that much in 1 game. Also yes I did insult you in my last game vs you HF but I was mainly insulting your law school more or less as scum trying to tilt you. Anyways HF why you decided you need to die now instead of just lynching TW? | ||
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On June 10 2017 10:19 Holyflare wrote: Ibonly want to die so tw dies with fiery vengeance. I guess but it would be better if we just lynch TW here and now honestly. | ||
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On June 10 2017 10:23 Holyflare wrote: Do it. I think you're town so sorry for trolling you. Meh I over react all the time :\ Doesn't help I can't tell the difference >.> | ||
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On June 10 2017 11:34 Holyflare wrote: Ritoky makes a case on LS being mafia, says his vote on LS was mafia, links all of LS's posts to fidei and says he's mafia, makes a case on Grack from onegu's comment and says we should lynch grack right at the end of n1. All of these posts are n1. His btdt read is: But he checks btdt over two STRONG scum reads. Even with this I still am pretty sure you're the mafia. To be fair on ritoky he did check Grack night 2 who he was tunneled on. But ya I would think he would of checked me night 1 as well. | ||
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On June 10 2017 11:41 Holyflare wrote: If you're making a cop play of course you're going to say you checked the guy you're tunneled on? He leaves you as a mislynch because you're very lynchable. True didn't think of that honestly. | ||
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On June 11 2017 06:06 Holyflare wrote: Grack ninja vote alert. But Grack was green checked he could do what he wants :o Anyways this is the end game when TW flips scum: | ||
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On June 11 2017 06:12 Grackaroni wrote: Those are pretty crappy crumbs to be honest. Telling me that I'm barking up the wrong tree was supposed to signal that you're blue? I didn't gain all that much from the TW/HF arguments. I do think that HF has picked up his game in this one compared to the last one. I wouldn't be opposed to lynching into Lightningstrike/Tubesock if people get cold feet on lynching a blue claim, since mafia will probably kill off one of the claims narrowing our odds tomorrow. Well I was trying to tell the blues to get on me ie the potential cop or vig night 2 :o | ||
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On June 12 2017 03:29 Conversion wrote: yo LS whenever you're around can I get some thoughts on the situation and how we should approach our D4 lynch? I think you're town but you not being here is not helping me or anyone that's town We lynch ritoky first but while lynching him we do need to figure out the last scum between you and btdt. If we got a cop should check btdt. If we got a vig they should shoot btdt I think that will solve the game for us from that point. | ||
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On June 12 2017 03:41 Conversion wrote: I'm tempted to just wagon myself and have myself lynched and flip town so BTDT can look stupid on D4 because he seems to lack any sort of skill to build up a case on anyone besides the person replying to him Like I said we just need to have a cop check or a shot on btdt so we could win the game most likely. I think it it will pretty easy from this point. | ||
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On June 12 2017 03:45 Conversion wrote: I'm going to pitch a question I'm trying to think of myself, LS, if you don't mind. anyone else here can answer as well: what do you think, if ritoky is Mafia, that the chances are with ritoky setting me up for a mislynch (and anyone else on his "auto list") with him reading me as town and BTDT pushing me as hard, albeit feebly, as he is this night and next day? like I'm actually seeing no effort from BTDT except him yelling at me saying I'm inactive and I'm not making contributions, while his filter is all just lots of shit thrown everywhere and hoping it sticks to a wall, so not sure how that's any sort of case built on me. the only thing that's bugging me is would ritoky actually include his own scummate in his auto list AND his cop check list? Same chances as him trying to setup a mislynch on me because I was his biggest scumread Night 1 yet he didn't "Check" me. So that being said it's very possible he was setting up a mislynch on you if you are town. | ||
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On June 12 2017 04:44 Holyflare wrote: Whatever I'll just shoot btdt. Still scum reading everyone. Wait I thought you unclaimed? | ||
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On June 12 2017 09:29 Prison Break wrote: yea you die today what PR's can scum even have? framer/rb are useless now rb obviously but most likely a goon. | ||
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5-2 if btdt is town 4-2 vs 6-2 6-1 5-1 4-1 3-1 2-1 So essentially we gain a mislynch if I did my math correctly if we lynch ritoky who is scum. I rather do the best play and lynch a guaranteed scum in ritoky and yes I understand you concerns about a auto lynch but let's be real: it might be a auto lynch with btdt too. | ||
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On June 12 2017 22:21 LightningStrike wrote: 6-2 5-2 if btdt is town 4-2 4-1 3-1 MYLO vs 6-2 6-1 5-1 4-1 3-1 2-1 LYLO So essentially we gain a mislynch if I did my math correctly if we lynch ritoky who is scum. I rather do the best play and lynch a guaranteed scum in ritoky and yes I understand you concerns about a auto lynch but let's be real: it might be a auto lynch with btdt too. | ||
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On June 12 2017 22:29 Tubesock wrote: We have Conversion, Prisonbreak, Tube, beentheredonethat, LightningStrike, Grackaroni, Ritoky. 7 total, 2 are mafia. So it's 5-2 now. 4-2 if btdt flips town, 4-1 if we kill Ritoky. Crap I messed up my math somehow 5-2 4-2 3-2 3-1 2-1 vs 5-2 5-1 4-1 3-1 2-1 I guess we don't exactly lose a mislynch on second looks? | ||
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On June 12 2017 22:56 Tubesock wrote: So you're on board? Who would you lynch and why por favor? ritoky just so we get the for sure scum out of the way while looking at connections from ritoky and james to any of the players. | ||
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Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood (2): Prison Break (2): Conversion, beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, Vivax (1): LightningStrike (1): Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni (0): Holyflare (0): Conversion (0): Fidei86 the Mafia Godfather has been lynched. So this vote count I pretty much right about scum had no control of the lynch seeing that ritoky only appeared EoD and James was afk. Tubesock is cleared I think for being the 2nd one on the wagon. I know I am town and I think Grack is town too therefore I think the wagon is pure on James. So that again leaves PB, Conversion, and BTDT which would seem to lead to BTDT more than PB and Conversion from what I looked at James filter and ritoky's filter. | ||
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On June 13 2017 06:23 Grackaroni wrote: What in James' filter and Ritoky's filter lead you to BTDT? The weird interaction between Ritoky and BTDT that I think PB pointed out here: + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 07:32 ritoky wrote: i mean....if i am wrong, then how does shit like this help me get from where i am to being right? the game is like 6 pages total....w/e annoyed. On June 05 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote: Yes, his reads were wishy-washy at that point, I agree with you. That's my point. My point is that his reads in the previous game were basically never wishy-washy, they were always definitive. So if he is playing the opposite or different from his previous game, then why are you assuming he is the same alignment as the previous game? On June 06 2017 04:03 ritoky wrote: looking outside the ppl who voted mafia: i think PB's post about his reaction to the lynch is pretty similar to mine, although him never delivering on his promised reads is meh. he came to the same conclusion i did about the 3 people i think are town because of the lynch and he looks toward the same spot i do for the mafia on the wagon (grack + ls). but when he starts saying things that make tons of sense to me, it's kinda the opposite of why i had him town leaned earlier. btdt played the emo card on me and i am hard pressed to get over that. i think his filter and play isn't particularly townie, but he played the emo card.... conv is certainly not particularly useful at the moment, but i don't get the sense that he is malicious or mafia. i told him "stop doing this and give me reads." and then he immediately produced reads that seemed genuine; so i have a difficult time thinking he's mafia. then vivax....i guess vivax COULD be mafia? but then i been pretty wrong this game. but doesn't vivax just see the runaway train and bus his partner for the nickle or dime's worth of credit he would get? i would have. ritoky interactions with ritoky seemed awkward to each other and the way ritoky tried to read btdt seemed off. From James filter: + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 19:58 Fidei86 wrote: Conversion: my reasoning was simple. You thread entered, and then having not posted anything for half a day or so you came back with a long and clearly typed post (#159) (i.e. not just something you bashed out on a mobile) that didn't give any reads and just apologised. At the time I made the post I don't think you had made any game relevant posts. So that is why I said I wasn't going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Obviously there's been a lot of development since I went to bed, and I quite like the indignant but also slightly confused tone of your subsequent posts. Also #200 you say you're "glad Vivax and Grace read you as town". As a new player I'm onboard for that being a genuine dumbtell. TR. BH is massively overplaying the Grack read. And in fact, BH hasn't done anything outside of his RNG/Grack read. I had the same reaction as Grack did to the onslaught ("wtf?"). Maybe BH is going for the old Chezinu play? But I don't see how that helps as town, particularly in a newbie game. Grack's reads are thin, and I don't like how he seems to soft TW at #249 without pushing it. So I end up where I think they are scummy. Doubt they're scum together, although the amount of shitting up the thread they've achieved could easily part of a plan. Vivax is pretty town - his post at #181 hit some people multiple times, which is indicative of someone not trying to build a narrative. I like ritoky's interactions with Conversion - trying to push Conversion to carry on and give reads. (This is something else I liked about Vivax re 187, where he prods BTDT after earlier null reading/asking for more info). TW continues to be underwhelming. His BH read is garbage, and he now has Tube and Grack as his top towns? Over Vivax? I also think his general tone in the thread has been unhelpful (see #270, #272). So right now I'm at: Town: Vivax Ritoky Lean Town: Conversion LS (ehhhhhhhhhhhh) BTDT Null: Onegu: one massive WOT isn't enough to get you off, and you're tunnelled on me per usual, but nothing in your reads gave any red lights PB Tube Scummy; BH Grack HF TW Right now I'm leaning towards TW, and I would rather lynch BH/Grack over HF. That read's post as well as several posts in his filter seemed weird around bdt. note that ritoky was townread by James while his scumreads are town for the most part. Kinda points to btdt or Conversion more or less but with both of them combined it looks like btdt more Conversion for me. | ||
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On June 13 2017 07:24 ritoky wrote: you guys should totally split the vote and let me hammer, it's a great idea. also your mechanics are all wrong about justifying why you shouldn't lynch me, but hey what the shit do i care. you guys want my check for today? i didn't get roleblocked! kitaman I KNEW IT ALL ALONG! To bad we know your claim is fake ![]() | ||
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On June 13 2017 07:27 ritoky wrote: seriously though, you're all so dour. enjoy life! have some fun solving the game. unclencheth thy buttocks. | ||
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On June 13 2017 07:26 ritoky wrote: bro there could totally be 3 blues amirite? 2 vigis too, i am the great vigicop! Sorry you aren't Toad ![]() | ||
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On June 14 2017 04:34 Grackaroni wrote: I think there's not enough paranoia. ![]() HF, LS and even you have argued that you aren't scum because your game play is stylistically a lot different from generic II, but I have enough respect for your play to discount that. I don't think PB would improve his scum a lot in just 1 game despite being coached simply because he would of made his scum even better than HF's scum game. | ||
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On June 14 2017 05:57 Conversion wrote: ls can you put your vote not on ritoky. like i'd rather have it off than on him Fine but promise me you guys will vote ritoky next day phase please? | ||
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On June 14 2017 08:25 Tubesock wrote: I have decent reasons to town everyone left. If you take out Gracks push on Ritoky then he could but I think his push on him looked pretty genuine and not a bus. LS next then? He's had very few opinions and only comes when he's talked about. Which makes me think he's town because if he rolled scum he'd at least push for a mlynch. He had no problems standing up to HF either. Check my generic 2 filter and compare it to this game? | ||
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On June 14 2017 08:15 Conversion wrote: who's next on the scummy list for y'all if this guy surprises us with a town flip You probably you and ritoky had 1 weird interaction when I had you as part of my PoE scum plus your EoD 2 reaction to the Vivax flip seemed weird? | ||
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On June 14 2017 08:45 Tubesock wrote: I had a string of 3 games in a row I was miss lynched day one. I get mislynched a lot Day 1 Day 2 area but only got mislynched once after Day 2 as town honestly so I know how you feel. | ||
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On June 14 2017 11:17 Conversion wrote: like we are in the situation after ritoky we're gonna lose so like I understand you might not have time but anything beside a 1-liner would help if you're actually town also you're like #1 suspect to me without me doubting my town reads because you passively just switched to btdt, gave no argument or reasoning, and now your top scum read is me, unless I'm reading your post to my question incorrectly Mainly a PoE thing but might have to recheck Tubesock before making a final answer Day 6 when we will have to lynch the last scum. | ||
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On June 14 2017 11:18 Conversion wrote: ritoky and I only really ever talked to each other on D1 when he forced me to give reads and shit and my EoD 2 reaction was in reply to BTDT calling me possible scummates with PB so why I am scummy on your list? elaborate stop being silent pls ty It looked weird at the time was wondering why you went directly into saying you weren't in a scum with PB. Fair enough on that. | ||
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On June 14 2017 11:23 LightningStrike wrote: Mainly a PoE thing but might have to recheck Tubesock before making a final answer Day 6 when we will have to lynch the last scum. Also the reason I didn't say much on my vote switch was mainly I was playing Starcaft Brood War at the time. | ||
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On June 14 2017 11:15 Conversion wrote: also LS can you like actually post something meaningful your filter is filled with nothing is this how he usually plays town? Pretty much how I was in Generic 2 too :\ | ||
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On June 14 2017 11:13 Grackaroni wrote: I'm very tempted to just go all in on LS scum. He's the one I feel least comfortable reading and I've tried to find scummy things from everyone else and I'm still coming up short. Sounds familiar Oh wait we got played by PB in LYLO in Generic when we were both town -.- | ||
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On June 14 2017 11:39 Grackaroni wrote: Not lynching Ritoky this cycle didn't actually matter since regardless of which townie got killed the most likely person to die next cycle would still have been BTDT. True I just figured to see if anyone still wanted to go on ritoky and figure the game out more later that's all. | ||
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On June 14 2017 11:42 Grackaroni wrote: One thing I'm noticing is that in the first 3 pages you have a lot of replies to Ritoky and Fidei (also HF, who pressured you over something I didn't understand). It could be a coincidence but it strikes me as unusual. Ritoky and James were really the only ones asking me stuff during my page 1-3 at the time so yes it just a coincidence lol. | ||
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On June 14 2017 11:46 Grackaroni wrote: Actually now that I think about it Ritoky and Fidei both bugged me too for not posting reads. I did post my reads people asked me to? | ||
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On June 15 2017 09:56 Tubesock wrote: Could be anyone really. LS is freaking smart. He's always looking at how he plays. I can see a world where he realizes that he gets towned easier with the fewer and less concrete reads. Couple years ago he learned that people used his emotional state to town him. So then he went emo as mafia and won the game. But there's the nagging feeling that he would have to at least put in some work to line up miss lynches or something. Grack could be too. He was gone most of the great claim wars of XXVI and maybe his fight with Ritoky was staged. It looked pretty sincere the first few times I read it. You could be too. You post a lot about how you're new to this and not good or whatever so that will make our expectations a little lower. But you are quite active lately and that's super pro town. If you're mafia I kinda don't mind losing to you if my other two townies AFK for days. Blame Damdred for making me break that meta in Cell because he wanted me to get better -.- I would of made it easier on me if I night killed someone else because PB is someone I could try to convince on other people. | ||
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On June 17 2017 07:44 Tubesock wrote: I basically never give a real reading on you LS. It's generally wait till D3-4 and it's usually obvious. But that was when you couldn't post much as mafia and would have a 4 page filter or something. You fixed that. Then you weren't able to use emotion as mafia, but you fixed that too. So, I'm kinda defaulting to how have you townsided I liked this post in spoilers for the most part. I thought towning HF so quick was reckless but he did look town enough. The Fidei read at the time was ok too. More in I read it as a null read. Fidei was a bit boring. Btdt started getting super nitpicky on Conversion which I didn't particularly like. His points on Grack, BH and TW I felt totally on point. And laughed cause Onegu is a coin flip. Then why you called it a mindmeld then instead of saying "I like this post"? Also I think you tried to in the past? Let me reread some of your past games that I was in regarding the fact if you did tried to read me. Also yes that was all my questions. | ||
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On June 17 2017 10:57 Tubesock wrote: I called it a mind meld because I felt we viewed the world from similar viewpoints. For me "mind melding" is a little bit more than just liking a post. What's it mean to you? I'm pretty sure I've had you in the town pile most the game. But you can understand needing to look at you more carefully now. Your answer was more of a "I like thi post" which is why I was questioning it that's all. And yes I know you have to look at me more carefully as I will do the same. | ||
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On June 19 2017 10:07 Tubesock wrote: LS, is there anything this game you've done that makes you town? Yes actually, I did expressed my doubts about James flipping scum at deadline because I saw how many people were piling on. As scum I never shown doubts people's alignments as shown in these games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517122-liquidmania-qualifier-1?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503886-who-wants-to-be-a-millionaire-cell-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/518091-resistance-vi?user=LightningStrike As town I had shown doubts more about how people will flip or being nervous about a lynch as shown here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/518091-resistance-vi?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/518289-im-a-cop-you-idiot-mafia-towns-revenge?user=LightningStrike http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/521332-generic-mini-mafia-ii?user=LightningStrike i also was willingly to get lynched over TW Day 1 so we had a blue alive although he still got lynched a couple day phases later. I also was one of the hammer votes on James which why would I even risk our team position if I was partner's with ritoky? I would of honestly tried to keep people on BH at that point. Ritoky did push me but I did bark at him for his inability to read me and told him to admit which he didn't and knew he could vote me throw off the VCA. Yes I know PB and Grack was suspecting me but PB also was suspecting you into thinking Grack with me as a possible scum. Grack was questioning you too from the looks of his end filter along with me? Those night kills could just be WIFOM for all we know. | ||
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On June 19 2017 11:14 Tubesock wrote: Those are all things I think you're capable of doing as scum. D1 busses are not that uncommon. I think you're more likely to flip mafia than Conversion. I never will change my doubting stuff since it's my own self? Also I don't do planned bussing at all nor do I risk being the absolute hammered my own scummate at EoD 1. I prioritize my team heavily and would of tried to change the wagon back to BH EoD 1 right there.You can see how much I prioritize my team chance of winning with little losses in Cell Millionaire at least if you looked into that QT. I play more for the team than myself as scum. | ||
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On June 19 2017 14:04 Conversion wrote: also ??? obviously if you think you are town it's a toss up between me and tube so what good is this statement Well it didn't seem like you were willing to talk which is why I made that statement but please get better with whatever illness is hurting you. | ||
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Current game stuff + Show Spoiler + First his interaction with TW On June 03 2017 10:20 Tubesock wrote: uh the not keeping up with half a page of one liners. 4 by one peron.... SInce no one is talking, what are your thoughts on BH's RNG lynch? Do you think anything about it? Kinda over explained the joke part to TW and over reacted to TW over the suppose joke. His treatment on Vivax seems a odd transmission from this post: On June 04 2017 07:00 Tubesock wrote: No way I'm lynching Vivax. to this post: On June 05 2017 07:15 Tubesock wrote: I kinda think Vivax just wants to be contrarian. V I don't think it's a leap to say BH may want to do nothing day one. Not many people enjoy the shitshow that day one is. So I have a difficult time scumming HF for saying BH is a coin flip. Everything else he says seems logical and towny. Plus if he's mafia HF is making things more difficult for himself. Was strange I mean why you thought he was town yet was contrarian at the same time? Then later he wanted to lynch him as shown in these two posts: On June 05 2017 07:43 Tubesock wrote: I'm contemplating a yolo vivax lynch. On June 05 2017 08:54 Tubesock wrote: Oh so now you guys want to kill Vivax with me. He said he didn't like some of his analyzes or his last reads which is odd because he was townreading Vivax earlier. Next: On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote: Just in case: PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game. Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia. HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5. Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that. reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet. Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town. LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names. Mafias Most likely further down. Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS. Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him. beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone. Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible. Never really give much reasons to townread ritoky outside of his mindmeld which is strange I would of thought he more reasons to read someone town other than just a mindmeld. Also he didn't really gave much of a read on me at the time too I would of figured he would of tried to read me. On June 10 2017 07:09 Tubesock wrote: I think mafia RB'd TW to mindfuck town. Then when town starts thinking why is HF alive, they can kill TW and then say well they had to kill the confirmed Doc so that's why HF is alive and he'd be alive for another night and can set up for his last partner. Potential TMI regarding TW how TW was roleblocked for certain reasons? Also he very little interactions with ritoky at all while the rest game he had more interactions with the game probably to avoid bussing him until ritoky claimed scum. Last scum game: + Show Spoiler + In Nutcracker his scummates were Tictock and Vivax his filter is here if you want to read his entire filter from that game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=Tubesock. But in that game he didn't really interact to much with Tictock or Vivax with 2 posts directed to Tictock himself while 0 to Vivax yet was pushing people off of lynching Vivax until he fake claimed a rolecop candy that town or scum could be given and bussed Vivax was first on the wagon. In his first reds post he didn't give much reasons why he was townreading others but gave some reasons why he was scumreading people here: On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: Towny Order Tubesock GlowingBear Koshi - had an entire post in CAPS LOCK. Ritoky Sukrit TicTock LightningStrike - 1/2 Koshitownness since his post was only 1/2 CAPS lock. Null/mafia not necessarily in order but kinda Shapelog Damdred Rels GiygaS Kushm4sta Vivax Shapelog I have the same suspicions everyone else does/did. I haven't really studied his filter to see what he's done after the heat was off him. Or what he did eod other than vote Kush. Damdred I read Damdred's filter solely because of the GB hammer. I didn't like the shenanies but I have seen Damdred do that multiple times as town. Damdred doesn't address GB or Kush at all in his filter and only mentions Vivax with T-4 minutes to EOD. I think he had about 2 reads. I think Rels is right taht he is disinterested in the game. I disagree that it is mafia motivated though. Damdred in my eyes is like Marv/Palmar/Holyflare/BH, if they are alive d4 it's because they are mafia. Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's. I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read. The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy. GiygaS I liked his Rels points. That's pretty much all he's done. Even rereading his filter I didn't see anything that jumps out in either direction. I liked that he didn't seem too phased during kusgate 2015. For the record I don't think anyone who read my filter would think I sheeped GiygaS on Rels. Did G reaffirm and add to things? Yes. Another Rels exaggeration. Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay. But he's done jackshit. I think I've read or played with him in 3 games. He was anti-town in all of them. I think copcheck/poe him later. Vivax has like 4 posts all "I'm sheeping Koshi". Even though he did give more reasons for his scumreads his townreads had 0 or little reasons. His last town game: + Show Spoiler + His filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafia?user=Tubesock He interacted with people more in that game throughout the game yes even with the scumteam there of Vivax,Koshi, ExO, SKynx with 3rd person players in Artanis/Rels, GB, Acroface he shown he wasn't afraid much to talk to anyone. Here is my case on Tubesock but unfornately I wont be much except on mobile till way past deadline if you got questions Conversion while I am away let me know. ##Vote Tubesock | ||
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On June 20 2017 02:04 LightningStrike wrote: I pretty sure now that it's tubesock based on several things: Current game stuff + Show Spoiler + First his interaction with TW On June 03 2017 10:20 Tubesock wrote: uh the not keeping up with half a page of one liners. 4 by one peron.... SInce no one is talking, what are your thoughts on BH's RNG lynch? Do you think anything about it? Kinda over explained the joke part to TW and over reacted to TW over the suppose joke. His treatment on Vivax seems a odd transmission from this post: On June 04 2017 07:00 Tubesock wrote: No way I'm lynching Vivax. to this post: On June 05 2017 07:15 Tubesock wrote: I kinda think Vivax just wants to be contrarian. V I don't think it's a leap to say BH may want to do nothing day one. Not many people enjoy the shitshow that day one is. So I have a difficult time scumming HF for saying BH is a coin flip. Everything else he says seems logical and towny. Plus if he's mafia HF is making things more difficult for himself. Was strange I mean why you thought he was town yet was contrarian at the same time? Then later he wanted to lynch him as shown in these two posts: On June 05 2017 07:43 Tubesock wrote: I'm contemplating a yolo vivax lynch. On June 05 2017 08:54 Tubesock wrote: Oh so now you guys want to kill Vivax with me. He said he didn't like some of his analyzes or his last reads which is odd because he was townreading Vivax earlier. Next: On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote: Just in case: PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game. Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia. HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5. Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that. reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet. Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town. LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names. Mafias Most likely further down. Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS. Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him. beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone. Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible. Never really give much reasons to townread ritoky outside of his mindmeld which is strange I would of thought he more reasons to read someone town other than just a mindmeld. Also he didn't really gave much of a read on me at the time too I would of figured he would of tried to read me. On June 10 2017 07:09 Tubesock wrote: I think mafia RB'd TW to mindfuck town. Then when town starts thinking why is HF alive, they can kill TW and then say well they had to kill the confirmed Doc so that's why HF is alive and he'd be alive for another night and can set up for his last partner. Potential TMI regarding TW how TW was roleblocked for certain reasons? Also he very little interactions with ritoky at all while the rest game he had more interactions with the game probably to avoid bussing him until ritoky claimed scum. Last scum game: + Show Spoiler + In Nutcracker his scummates were Tictock and Vivax his filter is here if you want to read his entire filter from that game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=Tubesock. But in that game he didn't really interact to much with Tictock or Vivax with 2 posts directed to Tictock himself while 0 to Vivax yet was pushing people off of lynching Vivax until he fake claimed a rolecop candy that town or scum could be given and bussed Vivax was first on the wagon. In his first reds post he didn't give much reasons why he was townreading others but gave some reasons why he was scumreading people here: On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: Towny Order Tubesock GlowingBear Koshi - had an entire post in CAPS LOCK. Ritoky Sukrit TicTock LightningStrike - 1/2 Koshitownness since his post was only 1/2 CAPS lock. Null/mafia not necessarily in order but kinda Shapelog Damdred Rels GiygaS Kushm4sta Vivax Shapelog I have the same suspicions everyone else does/did. I haven't really studied his filter to see what he's done after the heat was off him. Or what he did eod other than vote Kush. Damdred I read Damdred's filter solely because of the GB hammer. I didn't like the shenanies but I have seen Damdred do that multiple times as town. Damdred doesn't address GB or Kush at all in his filter and only mentions Vivax with T-4 minutes to EOD. I think he had about 2 reads. I think Rels is right taht he is disinterested in the game. I disagree that it is mafia motivated though. Damdred in my eyes is like Marv/Palmar/Holyflare/BH, if they are alive d4 it's because they are mafia. Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's. I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read. The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy. GiygaS I liked his Rels points. That's pretty much all he's done. Even rereading his filter I didn't see anything that jumps out in either direction. I liked that he didn't seem too phased during kusgate 2015. For the record I don't think anyone who read my filter would think I sheeped GiygaS on Rels. Did G reaffirm and add to things? Yes. Another Rels exaggeration. Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay. But he's done jackshit. I think I've read or played with him in 3 games. He was anti-town in all of them. I think copcheck/poe him later. Vivax has like 4 posts all "I'm sheeping Koshi". Even though he did give more reasons for his scumreads his townreads had 0 or little reasons. His last town game: + Show Spoiler + His filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafia?user=Tubesock He interacted with people more in that game throughout the game yes even with the scumteam there of Vivax,Koshi, ExO, SKynx with 3rd person players in Artanis/Rels, GB, Acroface he shown he wasn't afraid much to talk to anyone. Here is my case on Tubesock but unfornately I wont be much except on mobile till way past deadline if you got questions Conversion while I am away let me know. ##Vote Tubesock | ||
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On June 20 2017 05:38 Conversion wrote: LS the problem I have with you is that your town game is pretty different from this game and Generic II I might be reading it wrong, but you at least posted and pushed your convictions in GII, whereas you sort of just meandered about and contributed nothing you had me as a tossup with Tubesock, but the moment TS put his vote on you you built a case against him and didn't entertain the thought of me being scum (which you openly did in GII, but just said Grack looked scummier than PB) I reevaluated and hope the host just end game now. | ||
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On June 20 2017 05:40 Conversion wrote: instead you just said "GG if you're scum Conversion" which is like, not what you did in GII? You always kept the open opportunity that PB might have been scum all this time, so I would think that you would be more careful in giving me a free town pass and be even MORE skeptical of me, but meh might be because of your vacation, but if you knew that you were going to be on vacation and possibly be alive for LYLO you should have played more town than not. it's confusing as hell for me to try and read people when more than 80% of their filter is just them not saying anything even up until almost 3 hours before LYLO I didn't know we would be in LYLO while I was on vacation aka thought game would end sooner. | ||
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On June 22 2017 21:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: First of all sorry for kitaman for being such a terrible co-host. My shifts got changed for the last two weeks so i had basically time to work and sleep and whenever i could do something it was on phone. Doing votecounts on phone takes like an hour because i hate touch screens. ![]() That being said i think LS needs a ban for conceding as town and playing against his wincondition in LYLO. There is no way to continue game after that post. There are also many things to be learnt from this game if anyone cares. - When someone comes into the game and a few hours into the game calls about 8 people scum they are usually mafia. I got honestly super "wtfffff" when i had read that particular Fidei post, went to the google docs and didn't see ritoky as mafia (as my phone has some ad or some notification that blocks the last few names from the list) since ritoky's reaction to the post was quite telling aswell. ![]() - Grackaroni had the game 90% in the bag on D2. Unfortunately Vivax blew D2 and it all went forgotten. I sent this to kitaman: The moral of the story is don't do dumb things like fakeclaim cop because all the good stuff goes forgotten when you waste the day. - It kinda should have been very easy to tell who is the one of the blues fakeclaiming. The way Holyflare reacted to Vivax' fake check was a strong indicator he is not mafia, and blue. It was like he knew he is not gonna get lynched and not in a way like greens do. It was more like "fuck you, i also have this claim in my back pocket so you literally can't lynch me here ever". If Tumblewood was mafia they would not (well at least i know i never would) waste the roleblock into keeping Tumblewood alive for 2 nights since he can just claim he protted someone else (like HF for example N1) as the night kills were on people not usually protected. It doesn't make Tumblewood look any worse if he says "i was on Holyflare N1 since i think Holyflare is the best player in the game". However ritoky's claim was super sketchy since ritoky posted he doesn't know which one of Tumble and HF is mafia. If that was the case you ALWAYS check into those two as a cop. Always. That's it, that made ritoky's claim fake. - When you have confirmed mafia you lynch it. Not only was the town's reasoning to NOT lynch ritoky D4 bad, but the town didn't even follow their own reasoning why they didn't lynch him... There is also the moral factor. When you lynch mafia people are like "yeah guys one more to go let's kill the last scum!!!", but if you don't and you hit town, people usually go "fuck we should have just lynched the mafia ![]() ![]() That's pretty much all. gg and gratz to scum. On June 20 2017 05:43 LightningStrike wrote: Kitaman just put 3 game ban for me post game. | ||
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On June 23 2017 04:41 kitaman27 wrote: I'd say this was more of a modkill than a concession. If this were day one, he would have flipped at the deadline and the game would have continued. Unfortunately, when he was removed there was only 1 mafia and 1 town remaining so it resulted in a mafia victory. Discussing bans while the game is ongoing is against the rules according to the OP. LS was already playing under a warning due to his derogatory remarks earlier in the game. I think it would be a poor precedent to allow players to post in the thread requesting mod actions in exchange for "town cred". Conversion may have seen those posts and think to himself "Well the game is still going on. If he's mafia then he would have just conceded, so he must be town!". While Conversion may have interpreted those posts as being completely irrelevant to his alignment, I had to make a judgement call that his posts broke the rules. It definitely wasn't the outcome I wanted to see for an otherwise entertaining game either. And that why I think a 3 game ban is fine. No one but me and you(idk if Rayn knew) knew I was playing under a warning. Anyways have fun next month kita that island is perfect for surfing ;D | ||
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