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LightningStrike
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May 17 2017 16:22 GMT
#6
/in for now.
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LightningStrike
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May 23 2017 15:29 GMT
#24
/out
Go ahead and take my spot Skynx I rather have someone with less experience than me play to get more experience.
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LightningStrike
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May 26 2017 21:11 GMT
#32
/in since there is more slots for vets :D
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May 30 2017 20:51 GMT
#46
pregame excuse: I wont be there at the start of the game due to going to a pokemon tcg tournament at that time.
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LightningStrike
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June 02 2017 23:30 GMT
#72
I town here I ready to redeem myself for what happened last!
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LightningStrike
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June 02 2017 23:31 GMT
#73
Also side note I wont be here tomorrow from 2:45 to about 6:00 tomorrow due to a pokemon tournmanet going on.
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LightningStrike
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June 02 2017 23:44 GMT
#77
On June 03 2017 08:37 Tubesock wrote:
Hi world!

It been a long time since we played with each other how it been?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 00:12 GMT
#80
On June 03 2017 08:49 Tubesock wrote:
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On June 03 2017 08:44 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 03 2017 08:37 Tubesock wrote:
Hi world!

It been a long time since we played with each other how it been?


Life has been pretty good. I don't think I've played since November? How's school going? Summer break yet?

I'm glad you're playing again.

Ya I on summer break atm. Also glad to hear you doing good
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 11:10 GMT
#103
Just woke up not much going on except some really weird argument between TW and TS.
On June 03 2017 19:09 Fidei86 wrote:
Hi all! Long time no speak for a lot of you. I've played a bit of video Mafia since I've been away (which I'm horrible at, it turns out) but I'm excited to get back into forums.

I think TW's thinking makes sense if you assume he doesn't know TS's usual posting style (which I think is like almost comically formal); it wasn't immediately obvious to me that TS was joking either. But that said, I'm not sure that I buy TW's switch to town reading TS? TW doesn't recant on his thinking TS is dumb - but if TS is joking then obviously he doesn't believe it, and so isn't dumb?

I also don't like Vivax's read on TS. Asking about RNG lynches isn't driving the game forward either. I'd say TS is null and TW is scummy null; giving them both a town pass at this stage is waaay premature. But at the same time, I do really like Vivax pinging Grack. So overall TR.

The people I really don't like are Onegu, BH, Grack and LS. Everyone else can be forgiven for not being in the thread (HF is British I think, so he gets a pass as well) but each of those has been here and has studiously avoided saying anything meaningful. LS has, what, four or five posts, none saying anything even vaguely game related. I seem to recall LS has trouble getting started as Mafia... this would fit right into that.

Actually my last game I had trouble getting started too yet I was town? I guess you haven't followed any games in recent times lol.
Filter from last game: http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/521332-generic-mini-mafia-ii?user=LightningStrike
Granted it still early Day 1 atm.

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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 13:23 GMT
#109
Hmm James trying to push me despite the fact I just posted a recent game where I did have a slow start. Can't tell he scum trying to push for a easy mislynch or someone who didn't even read that filter.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 13:25 GMT
#112
Also TW's townread seems a bit weird. I kinda want him to elaborate why TS is town for him.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 13:28 GMT
#113
On June 03 2017 22:25 Fidei86 wrote:
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On June 03 2017 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Hmm James trying to push me despite the fact I just posted a recent game where I did have a slow start. Can't tell he scum trying to push for a easy mislynch or someone who didn't even read that filter.

Your fourth post in that game, which was an hour after your first, was substantive. But I see your point, insofar as it doesn't make you mafia. And I'm not calling you Mafia, I'm saying thread lurking is scummy and the longer it goes on the scummier it gets.

Felt like you were trying to call me scum. Anyways thought on TW's townread on TS?
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LightningStrike
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United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 13:29 GMT
#114
Side note: I need to keep a eye on PB so he doesn't get free town cred after playing a good scum game.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 13:52 GMT
#116
On June 03 2017 22:36 Fidei86 wrote:
okay here's the thing I don't get: TW pointed out that TS's response to BH and the "rush" of posts was weird. I agree with TW insofar as that was the way I read it too, at first. But then TS said he was actually joking, which makes sense (and it fits in with TS' posting style insofar as I remember it from previous games). If it had ended there, fair enough. But then TW says "I still think what you said was weird, but you're towny" after TS had said it was a joke. That doesn't make sense to me. Like, TW landed pretty hard on TS for his initial read, and nothing changed other than TS claiming it wasn't serious, but TW's read flipped.

So that's why I think TW is on the scummy side of null (not because his posts were forced, as others were saying).

I too thought it was weird which is why I want TW to explain his townread on TS. The way he jumped on TS and later townreading him for that stuff being a joke is very unusual.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 14:36 GMT
#122
On June 03 2017 23:10 Fidei86 wrote:
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On June 03 2017 13:39 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 03 2017 12:49 Vivax wrote:
Morning.

I think TW has rolled scum again cause his opening post is exaggeratedly aggressive but the followup doesn't carry the same conviction. I don't think he has much faith into his own argument and keeps reluctantly dragging it along afterwards to keep the appearance.

Tone just doesn't appear natural and relaxed to me since we just started out.

Do you agree y/n?

n

of course I don't carry the same conviction after I realize he is joking. still think his comments on bh are hot garbage but I'm not going to continue being aggressive because I think he's town

LS I think you need to re-read the above ... I agree that the TR isn't explained, but the thing I don't get is how can TS's comments be "hot garbage" and a joke at the same time.

Ya that post a bit TW needs to explain it a bit.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 17:26 GMT
#134
On June 04 2017 02:01 Holyflare wrote:
Also ls seemed to be missing the tw thing then copying so keep eye on that

Ugh I saw the arguement just didn't pay any special attention to a post until James posted that quote from TW.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 17:32 GMT
#136
On June 04 2017 02:30 Holyflare wrote:
Yehhh so you didn't see it and copied it!

So there's like 2 pages in this game and you didn't pay attention to the only thing happening in it despite it being called out by vivax first then me and also fidei.

Which is bad.

Where I copied it? Show me because I did actually take note on the weird progression from TW on TS being scumread to townread.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 17:33 GMT
#137
Man HF did you really roll scum again?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 17:38 GMT
#139
I starting to think HF is actually scum again because he trying to make a false narrative about me and trying to do the same type of push he tried to do on me last game where he tried to push for my mislynch the day he got lynched.
Link of his filter from that game: http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/521332-generic-mini-mafia-ii?user=Holyflare
My filter from that game: http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/521332-generic-mini-mafia-ii?user=LightningStrike
##Vote: Holyflare
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 17:45 GMT
#143
On June 04 2017 02:45 Holyflare wrote:
Like you're saying that you didn't pay attention to it while simultaneously saying you paid attention to it and it's scummy.

While calling me mafia???

I found it weird get it right at least -.-
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 18:11 GMT
#148
On June 04 2017 03:06 ritoky wrote:
LS can you not just post 15-30 page filters and say "read this and you'll see my point!" who the fuck is actually going to do that? quote the posts or give me a page range at the very least.

page 27 until end of page 29
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 18:13 GMT
#150
On June 04 2017 02:47 Fidei86 wrote:
HF I think that might be a bit of a reach. Going through the game again it's clear LS noticed TW-TS, but just completely whiffed on why it was actually interesting. It could be scum "saying what's happening", but then this is LS - he has a ... different style.

Only thing I saw that was interesting at the time was the scumread into townread switch until you quoted that weird post by TW.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 18:20 GMT
#153
On June 04 2017 03:17 ritoky wrote:
oh...apparently it logs me out? weird

It was from liquidlegends here the tl link:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/521332-generic-mini-mafia-ii?user=Holyflare
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 18:23 GMT
#155
On June 04 2017 03:22 ritoky wrote:
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On May 20 2017 19:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think you probably lynch ls first tbh. The more I think about his play the worse it looks.

D1 calls me mafia, lynches his best friend damdred with me on the wagon.

N1 calls me mafia despite voting with him but agrees with me that rayn is mafia-y despite calling me mafia.

D2 makes a meta case that rayn is mafia because of rage but only has 1 meta link to XXX mafia and it looks nothing like this game. Then he just afks on that wagon despite there being other wagons and palmar voting rayn for modkill reasons. When asked who LS' scum reads other than rayn are he says he has none.

On May 15 2017 05:05 LightningStrike wrote:
this vote count looks nasty we need to consolidate onto people.


And doesn't consolidate.

Despite the fact he thinks rayn is the only mafia and he agrees with my case on rayn and he's voting rayn he still thinks I'm mafia but NOT with rayn, the guy he is voting for.

On May 15 2017 05:24 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 15 2017 05:17 Vivax wrote:
On May 15 2017 04:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 15 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:
LS, who do you think are rayn's partners?

Idk honestly I just think he's mafia independent of anything.


I don't think I've ever seen anyone write this.

LS are you 100% sure that rayn is your only scumread?

Well I got HF as a scumlean but i don't think HF could be scum with rayn tbh.



Furthermore, LS has been inconsistent on his reads. He says that palmar is mafia repeatedly but then says he'll lynch both palmar and holyflare despite earlier saying that if rayn is town palmar is mafia.

He goes on to say that tw did not spew grack town because the case was shit but begins today saying grack is confirmed town because of spew.

On May 20 2017 04:16 LightningStrike wrote:
I think HF or Palmar are scum based on TW's list honestly so I willing to lynch one or the other and the fact Grack was spewed makes so my 3rd scum is between sicklucker and prison break. sicklucker hasn't have the same euthiaism as normally does as town after lynching a scum and was afk for the most part of the auto lynch of TW like he normally does when one of his scum buddies is getting lynched. PB I did like his content early I just more afraid that he could of just been trying to blend but his way of trying to lynch sicklucker over HF and Palmar might seem townie?

On May 19 2017 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I think this was the closest he got to a town case on Grack but it wasn't exactly a great town case which is why I don't remember him doing one:
On May 14 2017 04:05 Tumblewood wrote:
dont lynch grack pls

of course first i have to establish that there isn't really such a thing as anti-incrimination. townreads will always be a more wishy-washy sort of read than scum reads which means no one is allowed to yell at you when you call someoine town , i think. the smarter thing to do was probably to make a refutation to the scum case but oh well, i am no weenie

so here are some examples of grack doing things that are townie things to do. like calling people out:
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On May 13 2017 05:42 Grackaroni wrote:
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On May 12 2017 18:11 Palmar wrote:
random voteswitching at the deadline didn't work?

I'm shocked I say, shocked.

Dude you didn't even show up.

You were like "Oh no we have only a 5% chance of success. Allow me to proceed to do absolutely nothing!"

boom rekt
On May 10 2017 17:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Honestly this is seeming pretty fishy to me.
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On May 10 2017 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 10 2017 16:05 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 10 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 10 2017 15:38 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't mean it as an attack. I just found it interesting that you called all of the people town but us and we had kind of a similar response to it.

So what's interesting in that? What are your conclusions?

My conclusion is that Rayn is in a rage induced tunnel.

How about you play the game instead of this shit?
Did you just say you made a series of posts that indicate -- no, literally say, you found the first thing in the game that interests you yet you cannot make a single conclusion out of it?

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On May 10 2017 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay that makes sense. I am really not trying to twist anything you say into anything else. I just saw you making a post, thought about what it indicates (correctly ) and it didn't make any sense to me. Since really, i know my own alignment and even if fuba is mafia there is no reason anyone of you three would most likely respond differently, therefore your conclusion didn't make much sense to me -- and looked more to be like what i said.

Obviously Tumblewood and you can question me for a read you don't understand or don't get. At first you just seemed to be doing it "wrong", you know what i mean? I don't think it makes you mafia, i just want you to be clear in what you say and not cryptic because i don't wanna guess what you say. I want people to lay out stuff clear so i can just focus on making conclusions on that said stuff.

rn I am most interested in on how Holyflare thinks anything of what i have said possibly makes me mafia.

Before you were attacking me for making no conclusion and now you are changing your mind because the whole time you thought there shouldn't have been any conclusion?

this post (and also the one where he responds to the damdred WoT) also indicate that he is closely reading and actually analyzing the game. which is ofc a Townie Thing To Do


and having fun. but not like shapelog trolling, actually being funny. also kinda had a real purpose behind it
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On May 10 2017 15:24 Grackaroni wrote:
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On May 10 2017 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What exactly are the quality posts you three made?

They looked kinda like this:

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On May 10 2017 06:15 Holyflare wrote:
Secund.


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On May 10 2017 07:11 Grackaroni wrote:
Who scum?


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On May 10 2017 07:52 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm glad that's settled <3
scum imitating trolling always end up being cryptic and useless, and not actually good like this. that was a much better explanation than the one outside the spoiler
On May 10 2017 18:48 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't know who started this noted thing but it's super obnoxious.

On May 10 2017 18:51 Grackaroni wrote:
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On May 10 2017 18:50 Palmar wrote:
I think I'm going to vote you and see how it feels. Maybe it'll feel good, I don't know. So many things yet unanswered.

Noted.

admit it u are literally laughing ur ass off
but the way this is done conveys his genuine irritation with the noted thing too


part of the difficulty in writing this is i don't get how on earth he is scum anyway. it is just so obvious from his filter that this guy is town. but if you have a couple points against him i can tell you they're shit and we can make a little more progress towards Not Lynching An Obvious Townie On Day 2

his points aren't really great so the fact he went to try to defend grack could mean grack is a potental partner for TW but there might be other people who could be TW's partner.


LS has a problem of forgetting his own reads and then trying to blend by just copying other people's reads.

Lynch him after me.


this is his primary case against you and it doesn't feel similar at all. i guess he accusing you of being inconsistent again, that's the only real similarity i can see. am i missing something more?

Did you read his follow up on that case?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 18:32 GMT
#158
On June 04 2017 03:26 ritoky wrote:
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On June 04 2017 03:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 04 2017 03:22 ritoky wrote:
On May 20 2017 19:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think you probably lynch ls first tbh. The more I think about his play the worse it looks.

D1 calls me mafia, lynches his best friend damdred with me on the wagon.

N1 calls me mafia despite voting with him but agrees with me that rayn is mafia-y despite calling me mafia.

D2 makes a meta case that rayn is mafia because of rage but only has 1 meta link to XXX mafia and it looks nothing like this game. Then he just afks on that wagon despite there being other wagons and palmar voting rayn for modkill reasons. When asked who LS' scum reads other than rayn are he says he has none.

On May 15 2017 05:05 LightningStrike wrote:
this vote count looks nasty we need to consolidate onto people.


And doesn't consolidate.

Despite the fact he thinks rayn is the only mafia and he agrees with my case on rayn and he's voting rayn he still thinks I'm mafia but NOT with rayn, the guy he is voting for.

On May 15 2017 05:24 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 15 2017 05:17 Vivax wrote:
On May 15 2017 04:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 15 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:
LS, who do you think are rayn's partners?

Idk honestly I just think he's mafia independent of anything.


I don't think I've ever seen anyone write this.

LS are you 100% sure that rayn is your only scumread?

Well I got HF as a scumlean but i don't think HF could be scum with rayn tbh.



Furthermore, LS has been inconsistent on his reads. He says that palmar is mafia repeatedly but then says he'll lynch both palmar and holyflare despite earlier saying that if rayn is town palmar is mafia.

He goes on to say that tw did not spew grack town because the case was shit but begins today saying grack is confirmed town because of spew.

On May 20 2017 04:16 LightningStrike wrote:
I think HF or Palmar are scum based on TW's list honestly so I willing to lynch one or the other and the fact Grack was spewed makes so my 3rd scum is between sicklucker and prison break. sicklucker hasn't have the same euthiaism as normally does as town after lynching a scum and was afk for the most part of the auto lynch of TW like he normally does when one of his scum buddies is getting lynched. PB I did like his content early I just more afraid that he could of just been trying to blend but his way of trying to lynch sicklucker over HF and Palmar might seem townie?

On May 19 2017 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I think this was the closest he got to a town case on Grack but it wasn't exactly a great town case which is why I don't remember him doing one:
On May 14 2017 04:05 Tumblewood wrote:
dont lynch grack pls

of course first i have to establish that there isn't really such a thing as anti-incrimination. townreads will always be a more wishy-washy sort of read than scum reads which means no one is allowed to yell at you when you call someoine town , i think. the smarter thing to do was probably to make a refutation to the scum case but oh well, i am no weenie

so here are some examples of grack doing things that are townie things to do. like calling people out:
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On May 13 2017 05:42 Grackaroni wrote:
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On May 12 2017 18:11 Palmar wrote:
random voteswitching at the deadline didn't work?

I'm shocked I say, shocked.

Dude you didn't even show up.

You were like "Oh no we have only a 5% chance of success. Allow me to proceed to do absolutely nothing!"

boom rekt
On May 10 2017 17:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Honestly this is seeming pretty fishy to me.
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On May 10 2017 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 10 2017 16:05 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 10 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 10 2017 15:38 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't mean it as an attack. I just found it interesting that you called all of the people town but us and we had kind of a similar response to it.

So what's interesting in that? What are your conclusions?

My conclusion is that Rayn is in a rage induced tunnel.

How about you play the game instead of this shit?
Did you just say you made a series of posts that indicate -- no, literally say, you found the first thing in the game that interests you yet you cannot make a single conclusion out of it?

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On May 10 2017 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay that makes sense. I am really not trying to twist anything you say into anything else. I just saw you making a post, thought about what it indicates (correctly ) and it didn't make any sense to me. Since really, i know my own alignment and even if fuba is mafia there is no reason anyone of you three would most likely respond differently, therefore your conclusion didn't make much sense to me -- and looked more to be like what i said.

Obviously Tumblewood and you can question me for a read you don't understand or don't get. At first you just seemed to be doing it "wrong", you know what i mean? I don't think it makes you mafia, i just want you to be clear in what you say and not cryptic because i don't wanna guess what you say. I want people to lay out stuff clear so i can just focus on making conclusions on that said stuff.

rn I am most interested in on how Holyflare thinks anything of what i have said possibly makes me mafia.

Before you were attacking me for making no conclusion and now you are changing your mind because the whole time you thought there shouldn't have been any conclusion?

this post (and also the one where he responds to the damdred WoT) also indicate that he is closely reading and actually analyzing the game. which is ofc a Townie Thing To Do


and having fun. but not like shapelog trolling, actually being funny. also kinda had a real purpose behind it
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On May 10 2017 15:24 Grackaroni wrote:
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On May 10 2017 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What exactly are the quality posts you three made?

They looked kinda like this:

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On May 10 2017 06:15 Holyflare wrote:
Secund.


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On May 10 2017 07:11 Grackaroni wrote:
Who scum?


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On May 10 2017 07:52 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm glad that's settled <3
scum imitating trolling always end up being cryptic and useless, and not actually good like this. that was a much better explanation than the one outside the spoiler
On May 10 2017 18:48 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't know who started this noted thing but it's super obnoxious.

On May 10 2017 18:51 Grackaroni wrote:
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On May 10 2017 18:50 Palmar wrote:
I think I'm going to vote you and see how it feels. Maybe it'll feel good, I don't know. So many things yet unanswered.

Noted.

admit it u are literally laughing ur ass off
but the way this is done conveys his genuine irritation with the noted thing too


part of the difficulty in writing this is i don't get how on earth he is scum anyway. it is just so obvious from his filter that this guy is town. but if you have a couple points against him i can tell you they're shit and we can make a little more progress towards Not Lynching An Obvious Townie On Day 2

his points aren't really great so the fact he went to try to defend grack could mean grack is a potental partner for TW but there might be other people who could be TW's partner.


LS has a problem of forgetting his own reads and then trying to blend by just copying other people's reads.

Lynch him after me.


this is his primary case against you and it doesn't feel similar at all. i guess he accusing you of being inconsistent again, that's the only real similarity i can see. am i missing something more?

Did you read his follow up on that case?


you mean posts like this?

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On May 20 2017 23:54 Holyflare wrote:
On May 20 2017 23:09 LightningStrike wrote:
You can lynch me if you want but I thinking HF's refusal to lynch Palmar despite the fact we gave him the opportunity to do it and him sort of defending palmar is enough of as reason to lynch HF and if HF is scum we can move on to to sicklucker.


How the hell can you think only one of us is mafia but the guy trying to solve the game is the one instead of the guy pandering to emotions? None of that makes the slightest bit of sense.

If there's only one mafia between us then why do I spend my time trying to defend him when I just let him die and get confirmed town?

Yes.
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#162
On June 04 2017 03:33 ritoky wrote:
i guess i get how tonally it can feel the same from your PoV because HF is saying you're inconsistent and if you were consistent you should think X, but you randomly think Y which makes no sense.

but HF does that always and to pretty much everyone. it's how sometimes he ends up lynching dumb instead of scum. i think you're kinda omgusing.

Hmm it might just be the tone because I never was consistent on stuff and I remember how some people as scum did try to push me for the same type of stuff in the past.
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#167
On June 04 2017 04:45 Blazinghand wrote:
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On June 04 2017 03:44 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 04 2017 03:33 ritoky wrote:
i guess i get how tonally it can feel the same from your PoV because HF is saying you're inconsistent and if you were consistent you should think X, but you randomly think Y which makes no sense.

but HF does that always and to pretty much everyone. it's how sometimes he ends up lynching dumb instead of scum. i think you're kinda omgusing.

Hmm it might just be the tone because I never was consistent on stuff and I remember how some people as scum did try to push me for the same type of stuff in the past.


Eh, it's worth noting that this isn't really how a meta read someone being scum works though. Certainly you can and should give some weighting to this as "hey, I've seen scum do this" but it's more important to ask whether HolyFlare does this as scum. Although some things can certainly be said to be universal scumtells, if we're going to talk about someone's history of using a point or argument when they are scum, we should bear in mind that such arguments should apply to them more than to others.

He can do ti as both alignments according to ritoky I just can't remember much about his town game since it been a while since HF been town period.
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#168
I wonder where Vivax is because I figured he be around atm :\
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#262
Just got back from the tournament and got 4th overall. I didn't expect to make top cut at all honestly that why I was absent since about 3:00 pm CST:
On June 04 2017 04:51 Holyflare wrote:
LS are you going to play this game with 0 meta?

There will be some meta.
QUOTE]On June 04 2017 04:55 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 04 2017 04:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I wonder where Vivax is because I figured he be around atm :\


Clearly my RNG was, as always, 100% correct

here i'll prove it

##Vote Vivax[/QUOTE]
Ya no that not how it works......
Also the fight from BH vs Grack seems kinda forced? It just doesn't feel natural to me.
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#263
EBWOP:
On June 04 2017 12:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got back from the tournament and got 4th overall. I didn't expect to make top cut at all honestly that why I was absent since about 3:00 pm CST:
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On June 04 2017 04:51 Holyflare wrote:
LS are you going to play this game with 0 meta?

There will be some meta.
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On June 04 2017 04:55 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 04 2017 04:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I wonder where Vivax is because I figured he be around atm :\


Clearly my RNG was, as always, 100% correct

here i'll prove it

##Vote Vivax

Ya no that not how it works......
Also the fight from BH vs Grack seems kinda forced? It just doesn't feel natural to me.

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June 04 2017 03:57 GMT
#264
TW still didn't explain his weird read switch on TS.......
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#265
TW can you please explain to me why to jumped form scumreading TS to townreading him please?
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#266
Anyways I going to bed now as I got a sinus headache will check everything when I wake up.
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#341
Just woke up after my body woke itself up around 4:00 am CST and went back to sleep:
On June 04 2017 20:36 Holyflare wrote:
And LS I'm challenging you this game. If you are town I don't want you to reference a single piece of meta. I want you to use reasons from this game. Anything else is a mafia claim.

Do not ignore this post.

You know I a meta heavy person right?
On June 04 2017 20:29 Holyflare wrote:
That list is so bull shit. If you think I haven't done enough then I'm null. But then you want to lynch my scum read for reasons I've outlined and that you apparently support.

But I'm mafia on your list instead of null/towny which I should be if you agree with me.

No. That doesn't add up at all.

Sounds familiar :o
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#342
Also btdt's argument is pretty dumb but don't think it makes him scum necessary. It just a dumb argument I feel.
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#344
Anyways we do need to figure out who we lynching today since EoD is in 8 hours.
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#345
On June 05 2017 01:08 Holyflare wrote:
I don't care if you're a meta heavy person. I'm making you evolve to be a better player.

I had actually done that in the past I just never was a good case writer with current game stuff. The best case I ever made was in Titanic I had Cunning Plan where I made a case on prplhz:
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On February 22 2015 06:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey guys this is my case on prplhz being Mafia this game sorry for the delay I had to restart from scartch like I said earlier but without further ab-due here's my case on prplhz being and like I said earlier first thing to note he have a 4 page filter which is extremely small for this game but that alone doesn't make him Mafia. Well let's go to this quote from Day 1 from prplhz which I did question a bit:
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On February 14 2015 23:15 prplhz wrote:
On February 14 2015 22:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi purplehaze!
Long time no see. Did you roll town?

no i rolled mafia so please help me with the blue hunting.

On February 14 2015 16:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Policy lynch miller claims.
Townies do not fear getting copped.

Also blazinghand probably is mafia.

for realsies?

On February 14 2015 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like what i basically want to do Palmar, is to figure out blazinghand, robert, and wirh your help prplhz. If we can fiure out those players alignments on D1 the game becomes really OP for the town.

why these players?

Now notice he claimed Red which would normally imply Mafia but in this game Town Power roles are Red and Mafia is Blue. Also he seemed to shocked someone called Blazinghand Mafia.
This next quote I finding it pretty weird on certain stuff:
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On February 15 2015 00:51 prplhz wrote:
On February 15 2015 00:43 Palmar wrote:
prplhz, who do you think are the blues? Also, how do you think we should go about identifying blues?

I am 100% serious here, I am going to try to figure out blue roles with you.

dunno. i have maybe two slight green reads (robik, rayn) and one red read (me) but i've never been much of a blue hunter (inb4 this is a scum tell). i was hoping someone would convince me with a good case.

i don't like this post at all though

On February 14 2015 15:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 14 2015 15:17 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 14 2015 14:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Members of the scumteam!

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On February 14 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote:
@slam

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fecalfeast:
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Ritoky, you're scumreading FF? Why?

He doesn't seem to do much D1 as town from what I recall, but what is jumping out at you here?

I love how serious you are all the time lol

First he said that Robik and Rayn were green reads of his and it was confirmed that they did in fact flip green. Also he calling himself Red which is in this game a Town Power role but again he still haven't claimed but why soft claim a power role at all unless you were me when I first started playing TL Mafia. Also he doesn't seem to follow up his read on FF on his post.
This post I really dislike a lot:
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On February 15 2015 00:53 prplhz wrote:
On February 15 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:
hell, any read would be nice, prplhz, unless you'd like to just keep coaching people to not bring things outside the game into the thread

wasn't really much of a coaching thing as an "oh my god this could easily lead to 20 pages of ban list discussion and multiple people vowing never to play on tlmafia again because of some minor incident that could just never have happened"

anyway robik and bh are both too stubborn to just not do shit like that so whatevz

First off he already called Robik Green which VT or Miller earlier and now he also posting a whole bunch of nothing with only saying Robik and Blazinghand are stubborn and doesn't say if they were town or not although I think he thought we would assume he thinks both of them are town but him being lazy about it really making me ich.
So this post is interesting:
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On February 15 2015 01:11 prplhz wrote:
On February 15 2015 00:45 Palmar wrote:
oh wait, the blues are the mafia?

how did you figure this out at this point? did you just randomly decide to read the OP right at this time? that doesn't seem like palmaresque behavior (reading the OP at any point of the game).

i mean you think i'm wanting to red hunt and then you say "okay" despite how everybody knows this is pro scum (lightningstrike deftly pointed this out already). then you say "okay" but then suddenly, right there, you decide to read the OP (wtf since when does palmar read the OP) and then you realize that i actually want to blue hunt. why did you read the OP right there?

He decided to do a meta read on Palmar because apparently Palmar doesn't read the OP as Town but again this post seem to have little substance and the bolded inticating is that he want to hunt for our Town Power roles which stupid to do because we need them to do their jobs and help us find Mafia and the Serial Killer.
This next post from prplhz making me cringe:
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On February 15 2015 09:41 prplhz wrote:
On February 15 2015 09:08 Blazinghand wrote:
So, guys. It looks like nobody can agree on any sort of wagon, right? I think it's fair to say that we're in a bit of a disarray. Palmar recently was talking about the importance of sheeping as a skill. You see, with 5 votes on 5 different wagons we're in a bad place. There's no clear town consensus or counterwagon forming, and everyone is pulling every which way trying to make things happen. If like, one scum votes one way then that wagon could jump into the lead or something, and it wouldn't be clear where people stand because none of these wagons are important enough yet (another reason why Majority Lynch is better than Plurality Lynch)... but most importantly, people seem afraid to sheep. Sheeping is important! It's a vital skill. Here, Palmar from the Past will tell you:

On March 12 2014 17:57 Palmar wrote:
A little point about this game:

It really, really proves the value of NOT GETTING LYNCHED as town. For some reason staying alive, just like sheeping, is a pretty devalued skill in mafia. Everyone wants to focus on amazing reads and shit, and while those are great, the main job of any townie can simply be to not get lynched. If townies don't get lynched town wins the game by default.

On February 03 2015 00:23 Palmar wrote:
On February 02 2015 23:12 Damdred wrote:
HTS was pretty towny d1 especially early part when I was talking to her with rsoultin not sure what was going on with that lol.

While I'm on the topic of underrated skillsets, HTS has an amazing ability look town when she is. She is just so painfully obviously town that it makes the game so much easier.

Like for some reason everyone seems to think the be-all end-all townplayer skill in mafia is to figure out who is mafia, when in reality it's only one of half a dozen or so very important skills that can't exist without each other.

The ability to convince, the ability to be townread, the ability to sheep when needed, the ability to control atmosphere and focus discussion etc etc etc.

This game was actually a very good example of how unimportant actually figuring out who the mafia is can be. If you polled people in this game, more than half of them would put me in the bottom half for performance as town here. But no one was more right on the mafia than I was this game. I literally tried to kill 3 people day 1 and those were the mafia. However:

I was not useful for direction/focus/atmosphere
I couldn't convince anyone to follow me
Half the players thought I was mafia.

I agree! I didn't play this game well at all. And of the two things I did right, only one of them was actually really good, and it wasn't the fact that I went after the entire mafia team. In the end my willingness to sheep Damdred's case and thus make a good judgement call is something I'm far more happy about than being right.

So yeah, don't sleep on players even if they are wrong sometimes. The #1 priority of any town player is to not get lynched.


So as you can see, we have problems in this thread because our votes are all over the place. People are focussed too much on trying to look good (for example, numerous peoples' extremely wrongheaded attack on my RNG) or like, trying to hunt scum or something, when they should be focused on constructing a solid town discourse. I propose we focus this discourse around my wagon on Vayne. It's the largest wagon by a good amount, and on top of that, despite his protestations Vayne isn't contributing. Oh, he might, and if he's town I'm sure he'll pick things up, but it's not like we lose anything by lynching him, or pushing a lynch on him. Think about all the people who have come out of the woodwork to attack my case, or even worse, to ignore it utterly. What's the agenda here? Clearly scum are afraid. Afraid of the glory of RNG.

Now, maybe you have your own cases, or your own ideas, and that's fine. I appreciate that. Maybe that one-vote case on rayn or whatever could be a thing. But right now, we need to focus on the task at hand, which is sheeping me and voting Vayne. It's our best chance to unify this town onto a solid goal, which is lynching according to RNG.

Vote Vayne, lynch him for unity and because you understand that sheeping me is an underrated skill.

any questions?

i have a question

are you not aware the the bullshitting phase of this game is long over?

Idk what was the purpose of this post by prplhz other than telling BH to just cut out the RNG lynch since he was wanting to RNG lynch VA so he was either townreading VA or is scum buddies with VA.
This next post seems to contradict a earlier post of his:
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On February 16 2015 00:56 prplhz wrote:
@palmar i don't know if i'm remembering this correctly, but rayn is usually all over the place isn't he? i mean he had a list post in this very game like 6 hours into the game where he claims that he found the entire scum team. it's pretty ridiculous but he's just very convinced of one thing and then suddenly of another, very jumpy. i remember that game where he thought i was scum and you and marv had to do your very best to change his mind but at that point he had thought i was scum every single game we had played together (think we had played four games), he just had a thing for me. i don't think that means he never reconsiders his reads, especially his early "flakier" reads.

i agree that that "guess why i think ksc is mafia"-thing is weird and that's after he went to the sauna he's uncharacteristically disappeared though that could be for other reasons.

also, as much as i hate to say it, slam and bh are right, we're nowhere right now and we should consolidate. ksc had a terrible entrance to this thread and the only substantial thing he's done is this weird hard defense of rayn. bh looking good for pointing it out but very bad for sticking with this VA thing, it's getting way too old by now.

Now earlier he had posted this:
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On February 15 2015 00:51 prplhz wrote:
On February 15 2015 00:43 Palmar wrote:
prplhz, who do you think are the blues? Also, how do you think we should go about identifying blues?

I am 100% serious here, I am going to try to figure out blue roles with you.

dunno. i have maybe two slight green reads (robik, rayn) and one red read (me) but i've never been much of a blue hunter (inb4 this is a scum tell). i was hoping someone would convince me with a good case.

i don't like this post at all though

On February 14 2015 15:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 14 2015 15:17 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 14 2015 14:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Members of the scumteam!

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On February 14 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote:
@slam

[...]
fecalfeast:
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Ritoky, you're scumreading FF? Why?

He doesn't seem to do much D1 as town from what I recall, but what is jumping out at you here?

I love how serious you are all the time lol

So he haven't show a real progression on his own read on rayn and called him Vanilla Town earlier so what had changed? I checked his filter and he didn't explain any change before the post I quoted earlier about his change in reads on rayn. Also he already had checked the case on KSC being Mafia and liked it but he also said that we were getting no where with the KSC talked which is odd because if you think someone is Mafia you talk others and ask them what their view is on that person and people minds change over time normally.
Now in this post it seemed to defend rayn even though he seemed to had changed his mind suddenly on him:
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On February 16 2015 01:34 prplhz wrote:
yea i'm not sure what to think about palmar. this push on rayn is, well i don't like pushes on people like rayn or palmar on d1 because if they're town they're going to get shot by mafia really soon anyway. pretty simple. also a rayn/palmar shout fest clash of egos on d1 is potentially devastating for town. i liked some of his earlier posts like the one where he points out that robik is town and then he just made this post

On February 16 2015 00:12 Palmar wrote:
There's something wrong in a game where I'm sitting here on weekend and feeling all alone in a dead thread on day 1. It's supposed to be the other way around. other people missing me


which i think looks super townie.

in any case i'm really tentative about lynching palmar or rayn on d1. i want to see what happens when rayn gets back though.

semi related you're also looking townie simply because the "say something clever twice and you're scum" thing you have for me is so ridiculous.

So he thinks that Palmar looks town and both Palmar and Rayn shouldn't be lynched on Day 1 but why he wouldn't want to lynch one of his possible Mafia reads as soon as possible?
In this post he hard attacks rayn after hard defending him to not be the Day 1 lynch:
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On February 16 2015 01:54 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar I don't remember which game it was that had you and marvellosity fight an uphill battle against raynpelikoneet to make him realize I was town.

HOWEVER

In that very game I remember that I said something like "raynpelikoneet can't read me for shit he always reads me scum even though I'm town" and that just ticked him off. Completely emotionally compromised and we know raynpelikoneet with the multiple 5 game bans can be hilariously emotionally compromised. That's what happened and that's why he was so stubborn that game. I'm pretty sure that while he's usually self-confident, he's nowhere near those levels of stubbornness.

What's happening in this game is that raynpelikoneet saw a post that he liked and then it seems like he reconsidered a read. That's not scummy, it's scummy to keep all doors open but not to reconsider reads.

pls respond

He showed no real progression on his read on rayn at least in his filter up to this point and turned up suddenly. He also called Rayn Mafia because he was keeping all of his doors open but yet he said he didn't reconsider reads when in that same post he said he did.
In this post he seemed to again contradict a earlier statement:
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On February 16 2015 02:42 prplhz wrote:
SERIOUSLY

RAYN IS REALLY GOOD AT MAFIA

EITHER HE WILL FIND MAFIA OR HE WILL GET SHOT

IF NEITHER HAPPENS, WE CAN CONSIDER LYNCHING HIM

WE'RE NOT LYNCHING HIM JUST BECAUSE HE CHANGED HIS MIND AND IS NOW AFK WRESTLING A POLAR BEAR OR WHATEVER.

this is mafia 101, you don't lynch townies with a good reputation on d1.

He just said he wanted to lynch Rayn but now he said don't lynch him again on Day 1 like him reconsidering when to lynch someone who he got as a scumread for him is really weird like if he was town he should of tried to convince people to lynch him if he really thought Rayn was Mafia.
Now these next two quotes are really confusing:
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On February 16 2015 04:22 prplhz wrote:
##Vote Blazinghand

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On February 16 2015 04:24 prplhz wrote:
##Unvote Blazinghand

So first he never gave his reasoning to lynch Blazinghand then he unvotes him 2 minutes later like seriously why even vote him if you just going to unvote like 2 mins later like if you think someone is Mafia you vote them not vote then unvote but he never gave a reasoning for his vote on Blazinghand at all and that is very scummy.
Now in this post his explains his Blazinghand vote but also attacks KSC:
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On February 17 2015 11:34 prplhz wrote:
@KelsierSC on the odd chance that you're actually town you need to take a step back and reconsider your read on me instead of just going "prplhz is scum" every single time I post. Seriously, even if I was scum I wouldn't be scummy in every single post. It's pretty obvious that you're tunneling me. If you're mafia then keep going though.

Also this thread went to pieces. I can explain my Blazinghand vote though, it's pretty simple. Blazinghand did a horrible claim under hardly any pressure and I though that was scummy for a second then I realized that scum would rarely do that in face of 2-3 votes 10 hours before deadline. Scum are usually way more hesitant and he'd have the backing of his team to count on as well so no reason to panic like that. Took me a moment to realize thus vote into unvote.

I'm having a hard time piecing this game together. I really thought the claim made Blazinghand town but the way he's acting now doesn't look town at all. Look at how he's saying that "nothing is confirmed" and "you can't know about Superbia" when Superbia pretty much just modconfirmed two townies. It's not that he isn't right, it's that he's pushing uncertainty in the thread. Why, when it's like 99% probable that Superbia is town, does Blazinghand want us to remember the 1% chance that he isn't? Also Blazinghand has a high opinion of himself and he wants people to do what he says. Right now he's been up for lynch but everybody stopped wanting to lynch him, he's looking townier than every, what does he use this for? He's not pushing anything other than uncertainty, why isn't he pushing VayneAuthority or whoever else he thinks is scum?

It's really hard to make a scum team right now, too little fits well and the liancourt lynch didn't really give me anything. Not a bad lynch but I just hadn't really paid much attention to him and he turned out to be not only a townie but a god damn fake claiming townie.

Anyway, defensive roles on townies and offensive roles on scum. We don't need any heroes just play safe.

Okay so he said that KSC was tunneled on him(prplhz) tells him to stop unless KSC is Mafia but his explaination of his Blazinghand vote is he thought Blazinghand was Mafia for his claim then unvotes him because he thought Mafia would be dumb to do that type of claim and yet he says Blazinghand doesn't look like town and said that Blazinghand shouldn't of had us remember that Superbia has a 1% chance of flipping Mafia. Also he complains that it's hard to make a Mafia because it's too well and lian's lynch said nothing well he should of start asking questions and crap to figure out who's mafia and who isn't.
These next two quotes are him attacking KSC over the fact that KSC thinks prplhz is Mafia and saying it's ridiculous:
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On February 17 2015 11:49 prplhz wrote:
You really are. Every time I post you make a post saying "this is scummy". That's tunneling because (and it appears that you agree) not everything I do is scummy.

I had real life. Seriously, why do you think I disappeared and what did you think I'd answer to that question? It's stupid shit like that question that makes it's obvious that you're tunneling, just using whatever reason you can to yell at me.

Short non-committal filter. Someone mentioned the poking in to talk about rules which I agree is scummy. He seems more at ease talking about setup stuff that reads. Also, no one would vote you and as Alakaslam and Blazinghand had pointed out, we were in a bad condition with no one really gaining traction for a lynch. You're also completely right I went with it partially also to see if it would "stick", if anything would come of it. I'm really not set in stone when I vote for someone, it's a very dynamic process for me.

I haven't had much time today until now, trying to catch up on the thread.

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On February 17 2015 11:54 prplhz wrote:
On February 17 2015 11:41 KelsierSC wrote:
Why did you decide to drop me because I was doing things, when the reason you scum read me wasn't based on my activity.

Things like these, jesus christ.

First of all, I never said I dropped you entirely, I said I'd give you some pause because you were actually playing.

Anyway, if I think you're scummy because of your entrance into the thread, does that mean I can never stop thinking that because you can never change your entrance? No, your entrance can be scummy and you can be town which would then show later. Your entrance was scummy, I still think that. I think that your sheer bullheaded activity makes other people better lynches for now.

Do you mean to say that because I think something you do is scummy, I can never think something you do is townie? Because that's complete nonsense.

I also did complain about your activity anyway.

First he saying his excuse for inactivity was because of real life although if it's true he would of posted much more later but he didn't. Second he called Rayn out I think in the first quote for setup speculation and talking about rules as scummy but setup speculation should be considered null at best since we would know how the setup works based on the OP and reading the backstory of this setup. Third he attacks KSC calling his entrance scummy yet wanted to give a pause for a bit and saying that if he thought something he did call he never thinks something from KSC would townie is complete nonsense.
This is pretty much my entire case on Prplhz being Mafia he haven't really done much scum hunting at all and letting others do it for him when he's a Vet player and he should know how to scum hunt at this stage in the game.
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#346
BTW that was a no meta case it was just content from that game alone so I already proved I can actually do it HF
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#347
Also @Grack do you think there is a chance BH is town trying to do that or is he 100% scum for you at this point?
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#360
On June 05 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
LS what do you think if Fidei putting me in a mafia list with Tumblewood?

You might call it weird but I done that before myself agreeing with someone's point doesn't mean they don't townread you.
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#367
On June 05 2017 02:21 Fidei86 wrote:
LS can you give your top three scum? and top three town?

top 3 town:
Tubesock: Had some decent content that I agreed with.
Grack: Tone says town Grack over scum Grack atm he seems genuine with his posts to BH.
ritoky: Put in some work and read part of HF's filter from Generic plus decent content posts.
top 3 scum
BH: His push on Grack seems forced more or less and made a super big deal out of nothing? Also agreed with Tubeosck's point on him.
TW: Didn't really like his reasoning on his townread switch on TS. It just feels weird.
Honestly don't got a 3rd scum yet.

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#369
On June 05 2017 02:45 Holyflare wrote:
Why did you drop your scum read on me LS?

Moved you up to null because I will admit I might be paranoid about you considering yo ujust rolled scum vs me >.>
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#397
On June 05 2017 03:55 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
LS what do you think if Fidei putting me in a mafia list with Tumblewood?


I would like an answer to this.

I already did answer it?
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#398
On June 05 2017 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax could be mafia

Why you think Vivax could be mafia?
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#517
Tbh I been thinking what HF said about BH lynch being useless although if BH flips scum it just makes it s owe got 2 scum to deal with. I seeing Vivax push on HF and HF push on Vivax over BH. Vivax vs HF feels like TvS for me idk why >.<
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#521
Also in response:
On June 05 2017 04:14 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 04:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax could be mafia

Why you think Vivax could be mafia?


he's defending scummy people, pushing an actual coin flip and going after posts that I don't think he should be going after, like that PB one

You don't think think we dealing with a sleeping scum team?
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#523
Also HF is being a bit nit picky about some of the details about BH but so is Vivax a little bit. Dunno how to feel about it.
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#524
On June 05 2017 06:01 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 05:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Tbh I been thinking what HF said about BH lynch being useless although if BH flips scum it just makes it s owe got 2 scum to deal with. I seeing Vivax push on HF and HF push on Vivax over BH. Vivax vs HF feels like TvS for me idk why >.<


who's the T and who's the S?

I trying to figure it out honestly. How you feel about Vivax vs HF?
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#530
On June 05 2017 06:05 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 06:02 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 06:01 ritoky wrote:
On June 05 2017 05:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Tbh I been thinking what HF said about BH lynch being useless although if BH flips scum it just makes it s owe got 2 scum to deal with. I seeing Vivax push on HF and HF push on Vivax over BH. Vivax vs HF feels like TvS for me idk why >.<


who's the T and who's the S?

I trying to figure it out honestly. How you feel about Vivax vs HF?


so you have no inclinations at all?

I been reading it and feeling a bit lost. I know Vivax wont be able to continue to push HF Day 2 as scum. HF could do those arguments as both alignments that where my issue is. If both HF vs Vivax are town it been a battle of ego over nothing. The way it dragging making me think it's scum vs town on side or the other.
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#542
On June 05 2017 06:12 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 06:05 ritoky wrote:
On June 05 2017 06:02 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 06:01 ritoky wrote:
On June 05 2017 05:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Tbh I been thinking what HF said about BH lynch being useless although if BH flips scum it just makes it s owe got 2 scum to deal with. I seeing Vivax push on HF and HF push on Vivax over BH. Vivax vs HF feels like TvS for me idk why >.<


who's the T and who's the S?

I trying to figure it out honestly. How you feel about Vivax vs HF?


so you have no inclinations at all?

I been reading it and feeling a bit lost. I know Vivax wont be able to continue to push HF Day 2 as scum. HF could do those arguments as both alignments that where my issue is. If both HF vs Vivax are town it been a battle of ego over nothing. The way it dragging making me think it's scum vs town on side or the other.


okay, but gun to your head which is which?

Maybe HF but not confident on it honestly. Slight chance it's town vs town with big egos against each other.
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#547
On June 05 2017 06:18 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 06:17 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 06:12 ritoky wrote:
On June 05 2017 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 06:05 ritoky wrote:
On June 05 2017 06:02 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 06:01 ritoky wrote:
On June 05 2017 05:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Tbh I been thinking what HF said about BH lynch being useless although if BH flips scum it just makes it s owe got 2 scum to deal with. I seeing Vivax push on HF and HF push on Vivax over BH. Vivax vs HF feels like TvS for me idk why >.<


who's the T and who's the S?

I trying to figure it out honestly. How you feel about Vivax vs HF?


so you have no inclinations at all?

I been reading it and feeling a bit lost. I know Vivax wont be able to continue to push HF Day 2 as scum. HF could do those arguments as both alignments that where my issue is. If both HF vs Vivax are town it been a battle of ego over nothing. The way it dragging making me think it's scum vs town on side or the other.


okay, but gun to your head which is which?

Maybe HF but not confident on it honestly. Slight chance it's town vs town with big egos against each other.


[image loading]

Like Isaid I not confident it's HF but if it'Vivax it will be clear Day 2.
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#552
On June 05 2017 06:20 Holyflare wrote:
no it won't that's bs, he's kept up his activity and got me lynched day 2 before when he's mafia and I'm town so don't cop out on meta crap

Really because when I had played vs Vivax's scum in the past he just pretty much doesn't do shit Day 2 as scum.
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#567
On June 05 2017 06:30 ritoky wrote:
i have to go to the store soon. i think the best case is on TW, but i want to lynch LS for spending 5 posts listing every possible combination of viv vs hf.

Well that's fine honestly although I don't think you know I more clueless as town than scum :o
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#574
On June 05 2017 06:40 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 06:30 ritoky wrote:
i have to go to the store soon. i think the best case is on TW, but i want to lynch LS for spending 5 posts listing every possible combination of viv vs hf.

Well that's fine honestly although I don't think you know I more clueless as town than scum :o


okay but to me you feel like you're standing still in complete darkness. town LS should be feeling for walls and trying to find bearings, even if it is in misguided ways. also you never conclude anything unless you have some1 like me trying to drag it the hell out of you. it makes it seem like you want to remain "clean" or have plausible deniability at all times.

Because sometimes people give me a ton of shit about these type of things even if I am right makes me don't really want to do shit if people going to shit on me anyways :\
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#575
Vivax do you think there is a offchance HF is town at all?
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#577
HF same thing to you: Do you think there is a offchance Vivax is town at all?
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#580
On June 05 2017 06:45 Holyflare wrote:
shocking I know

I would figure you would say no but voting TW just because TW is a easier target since no one was wanting Vivax. Interesting response from you.
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#601
Do I lynch TW who had some unexplained reads as well as having a weird read switch on TS?
Do I lynch BH who had a very seemed like forced push from him to Grack?
Or do I try to lynch inside of Vivax vs HF?
Although I starting to sort of think it was TvT in HF vs Vivax I know HF could do that stuff as scum too.
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#606
I honestly want to vote TW more than BH just had to keep up with my thought process on the stuff regarding you and Vivax since don't want to have it unexplained on what happened to it.
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#607
Got my vote on Tumblewood for now.
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#609
I wish Palmar was here but I think I may of pissed him off to much last game
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#610
On June 05 2017 07:23 Tumblewood wrote:
you should realize you are lynching me for just doing things i normally do

???????I remember you at least tried to explain your reads a bit but it been absent this game except for your read switch on TS.
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#622
On June 05 2017 07:27 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 07:24 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:23 Tumblewood wrote:
you should realize you are lynching me for just doing things i normally do

???????I remember you at least tried to explain your reads a bit but it been absent this game except for your read switch on TS.

i actually have explained my grack and bh reads, but hf just demands that i go into way more detail than i should have to. and everyone who i haven't given any sort of reasoning on is blendy as shit. like fidei. where is that guy, anyway?

Let me rephrase: I thought you do go in more detail as town over scum on your reads.
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#627
Hmm TW claimed doctor. Hmmm.
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#631
On June 05 2017 07:35 Tumblewood wrote:
you know, if we wanted we could lynch onegu for not doing shit

He does that as both alignments.
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#632
Anyways unvoted for now unless we got a cc.
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#638
On June 05 2017 07:36 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 07:35 Tubesock wrote:
Half the games I'm in my D1 scum turns into a blue. Gah

this is a good sign you're bad at reading people
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 07:34 LightningStrike wrote:
Hmm TW claimed doctor. Hmmm.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM HOW CAN I JUSTIFY CONTINUING TO LYNCH TOWN

I already unvoted you.
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#642
On June 05 2017 07:39 Grackaroni wrote:
Onegu's big post is something I've never seen him do before and it wasn't all that useful.

I mean Onegu doesn't do much as both alignments lol.
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#655
HF I surprised you didn't unvote TW already why is that?
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#656
Like he is unCCed doctor atm.
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#661
On June 05 2017 07:47 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Like he is unCCed doctor atm.


so?

He's confirmed town until someone cc's him. hint: No one did.
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#668
On June 05 2017 07:48 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 07:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:47 Holyflare wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Like he is unCCed doctor atm.


so?

He's confirmed town until someone cc's him. hint: No one did.


no he's absolutely not

unless you're mafia and know that he's town

It's the general rule of thumb regarding blues?
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#691
HF switching to BH after saying BH was a coin flip lynch. Hmmm.
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#693
On June 05 2017 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
i don't think he's doctor

Why?
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#696
On June 05 2017 08:00 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
i don't think he's doctor

Why?

Assuming you talking about TW.
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#699
On June 05 2017 08:00 Holyflare wrote:
I absolutely think LS is the optimal lynch today by the way.

Better me than a claimed blue I guess.
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#708
On June 05 2017 08:02 Holyflare wrote:
all right, yes, absolutely let's lynch LS he has faaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr too many posturing posts in this game and all his weird "dilemmas" are so far-fetched and obvious choices that it looks really bad

Yet I shown this more as town than scum in past games.
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#711
I think BH is likely town who was willing to die for our unCCed blue.
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#714
On June 05 2017 08:08 Onegu wrote:
I just read the dumbest thing I have ever read in a game of mafia. Thank you BTDT...

What was it?
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#717
On June 05 2017 08:08 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 08:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 08:02 Holyflare wrote:
all right, yes, absolutely let's lynch LS he has faaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr too many posturing posts in this game and all his weird "dilemmas" are so far-fetched and obvious choices that it looks really bad

Yet I shown this more as town than scum in past games.
##Vote: Holyflare


No that's absolutely a lie, your posts about what choices to make are really faked like lynching between myself and vivax over a scum read despite you thinking myself and vivax was town vs town. That's a really faked post.

Then when you were asked to pick SvT between me and vivax by ritoky you listed every single possibility of what it could be

and you didn't pick up anything to do with TW and TS at the beginning of the game

and you instantly believed a blue claim near deadline and called him confirmed town despite there being a possibility of mafia fake claiming or a CC by someone who has gone to sleep or anything whatsoever - you basically knew he was confirmed doctor because you know he's town

all bad things

I been taught that if someone is a claimed blue unless they are cc'd they are confirmed town.....
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#718
On June 05 2017 08:08 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 08:05 Tubesock wrote:
I also thought deadline was 3 minutes ago.

HF, so why are you all of a sudden ready to lynch BH???

I don't want to lynch LS. But it's only cause he's LS and he makes me laugh. Haven't read him yet.



Thought deadline was in 52 minutes.

It is.
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#719
Vivax are you here?
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#722
On June 05 2017 08:10 Holyflare wrote:
that's a bad teacher if that's the case

Slam and Lonemeow were my town coaches outside the one time I let GlowingBear coach me in a normal/themed game.
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#724
On June 05 2017 08:10 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 08:08 Holyflare wrote:
On June 05 2017 08:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 08:02 Holyflare wrote:
all right, yes, absolutely let's lynch LS he has faaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr too many posturing posts in this game and all his weird "dilemmas" are so far-fetched and obvious choices that it looks really bad

Yet I shown this more as town than scum in past games.
##Vote: Holyflare


No that's absolutely a lie, your posts about what choices to make are really faked like lynching between myself and vivax over a scum read despite you thinking myself and vivax was town vs town. That's a really faked post.

Then when you were asked to pick SvT between me and vivax by ritoky you listed every single possibility of what it could be

and you didn't pick up anything to do with TW and TS at the beginning of the game

and you instantly believed a blue claim near deadline and called him confirmed town despite there being a possibility of mafia fake claiming or a CC by someone who has gone to sleep or anything whatsoever - you basically knew he was confirmed doctor because you know he's town

all bad things

I been taught that if someone is a claimed blue unless they are cc'd they are confirmed town.....



If they are being lynched you have to take it with a grain of salt.

It was 2 hours before EoD there was plenty of time he could of argued his way out of the lynch anyways.
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#726
On June 05 2017 08:13 Holyflare wrote:
and you don't think a mafia with 6-2 vote lead doesn't want to not be lynched or draw out a CC?

Not that early. Would think closer to about 30 minutes before EoD before claiming.
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#737
On June 05 2017 08:21 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 08:06 LightningStrike wrote:
I think BH is likely town who was willing to die for our unCCed blue.


.....................................................

He's still here, still not doing any scumhunting whatsoever.

He willing to get lynched over our unCCed blue.
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#796
On June 05 2017 08:24 Vivax wrote:
Can it be so fucking hard to reach a consensus?

We have HF who is mafia playing the game, but he is playing the game.
We have BH not playing the game, but people keep thinking he's town for the dumbest of reasons.
We have Tubesock who smokes some strange stuff and wants to lynch me.

TW and LS just don't want a good wagon that can't be swayed and try splitting town into BH and HF camps and will end up getting someone else entirely lynched.

The bestest smartest lynch is BH.
[b]If Grack wants to switch to HF that badly, I'll switch witch Grack, otherwise LS and TW have to vote BH.[b]

Why? I honestly don't think BH will flip town due to his martyr.
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#798
On June 05 2017 08:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Who's dying right now?

BH if I reading the votes right.
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#803
On June 05 2017 08:52 LightningStrike wrote:
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On June 05 2017 08:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Who's dying right now?

BH if I reading the votes right.

NVM it TW still.
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#816
##Unvote
##vote: Fidei86

Rather kill james over TW atm this vote should help save TW.
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#819
On June 05 2017 08:55 LightningStrike wrote:
##Unvote
##vote: Fidei86

Rather kill james over TW and BH atm this vote should help save TW.

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#823
On June 05 2017 08:55 Grackaroni wrote:
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On June 05 2017 08:55 Blazinghand wrote:
ARE WE SHENANNIING ONTO FIDEI? I DON'T WANT TO DIE AND I DON'T WANT THE BLUE TO DIE SO PLEASE ASNWER

We really should have killed BH. This isn't town BH.

You sure?
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#838
I not feeling good about this switch to james now with everyone jumping on broad.
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#841
Also BH's switch onto Vivax is very odd.
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#846
On June 05 2017 08:58 Blazinghand wrote:
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On June 05 2017 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Also BH's switch onto Vivax is very odd.


:p then vote me for it kiddo

Not enough time to switch.
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#854
lmao didn't expect that flip. Either mafia was afk EoD or are willing to bus James for no reason.
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#859
On June 05 2017 09:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Once again Blazinghand saves the day with his good choices

Ugh no you voted off the wagon EoD for no reason at all.
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#861
Also Vivax calling James town and that his reads were good seems very odd now that James flipped scum.
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#865
On June 05 2017 09:11 Vivax wrote:
He was green this is a bastard game

You sure he was green because all I see is red :o
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#866
On June 05 2017 09:12 ritoky wrote:
i still think i voted on mafia.

I mean you never were able to read me town ever so nope
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#867
Also James spilled me out as town I think if I read his filter correctly :D
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#873
EoD scum team didn't seem to have control of who was getting lynched after people piled on to James so either they were afk or didn't care. I think it's the former honestly. I don't think they would let the gf die without a fight.
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#877
On June 05 2017 09:21 Prison Break wrote:
or they tried to get me instead?

Looking at the vote count I don't think so. After James the vote count was all over the place.
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#880
On June 05 2017 09:39 Prison Break wrote:
I mean how many scum are there. I assume 3? one was fidei. Maybe one was AFK. So you make any conclusions on this based off literally 1 person who did or didn't fight it?

At least 1 was afk if not maybe 2 with James. If both scum were around EoD then they made a error letting James get lynched in that fashion.
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#882
On June 05 2017 09:59 Blazinghand wrote:
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On June 05 2017 09:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 09:39 Prison Break wrote:
I mean how many scum are there. I assume 3? one was fidei. Maybe one was AFK. So you make any conclusions on this based off literally 1 person who did or didn't fight it?

At least 1 was afk if not maybe 2 with James. If both scum were around EoD then they made a error letting James get lynched in that fashion.

Yeah it's possible, I think it was a pretty snappy shenannie though. Shenannies are vastly underrated and people think that scum can stop them but really they're one of the most powerful tools in the town toolbox. As former shenanigan king I assure you this is true

They had like 10 mins I think which is plenty of time to try to sway people away I think.
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#910
ritoky why you wasted your vote EoD when it was clear no one was on me? That was extremely dumb and BH wasting his vote too was terrible we just got lucky on the shannies hitting scum.
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#912
On June 06 2017 03:49 ritoky wrote:
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On June 06 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote:
Hey ritoky how about some input? You had concerns about LS and he was on the mafia lynch and you ain't said shit.


i work graveyards in the ER so, i been at work and asleep.

i mean what do you want me to say? mechanics and my brain tells me that tomorrow we don't lynch anyone who voted on dead lynch mafia because that's optimal play; but i just think LS is mafia.

not only did he have basically no reads while being active and present all d1, but he wasn't even trying to get reads. plus that whole take 5 posts to list every possible scenario of vivax and hf arguing was just a steamy turd.

plus you look at his post lynch reaction and compare it to BH (who i think comes off incredibly town); and it's just bad. he is reaching for cred like he led a lynch or hammered a lynch when he is an extraneous vote on a basically 7 vote wagon, and has never even said anything relevant about the guy in his filter.

plus you go look at his filter in relation to fid:

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On June 03 2017 20:10 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up not much going on except some really weird argument between TW and TS.
On June 03 2017 19:09 Fidei86 wrote:
Hi all! Long time no speak for a lot of you. I've played a bit of video Mafia since I've been away (which I'm horrible at, it turns out) but I'm excited to get back into forums.

I think TW's thinking makes sense if you assume he doesn't know TS's usual posting style (which I think is like almost comically formal); it wasn't immediately obvious to me that TS was joking either. But that said, I'm not sure that I buy TW's switch to town reading TS? TW doesn't recant on his thinking TS is dumb - but if TS is joking then obviously he doesn't believe it, and so isn't dumb?

I also don't like Vivax's read on TS. Asking about RNG lynches isn't driving the game forward either. I'd say TS is null and TW is scummy null; giving them both a town pass at this stage is waaay premature. But at the same time, I do really like Vivax pinging Grack. So overall TR.

The people I really don't like are Onegu, BH, Grack and LS. Everyone else can be forgiven for not being in the thread (HF is British I think, so he gets a pass as well) but each of those has been here and has studiously avoided saying anything meaningful. LS has, what, four or five posts, none saying anything even vaguely game related. I seem to recall LS has trouble getting started as Mafia... this would fit right into that.

Actually my last game I had trouble getting started too yet I was town? I guess you haven't followed any games in recent times lol.
Filter from last game: http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/521332-generic-mini-mafia-ii?user=LightningStrike
Granted it still early Day 1 atm.



Fidei puts tiny pressure on LS, LS posts a filter link. fidei just stops, then magically LS becomes a town lean.

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On June 03 2017 22:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 03 2017 22:36 Fidei86 wrote:
okay here's the thing I don't get: TW pointed out that TS's response to BH and the "rush" of posts was weird. I agree with TW insofar as that was the way I read it too, at first. But then TS said he was actually joking, which makes sense (and it fits in with TS' posting style insofar as I remember it from previous games). If it had ended there, fair enough. But then TW says "I still think what you said was weird, but you're towny" after TS had said it was a joke. That doesn't make sense to me. Like, TW landed pretty hard on TS for his initial read, and nothing changed other than TS claiming it wasn't serious, but TW's read flipped.

So that's why I think TW is on the scummy side of null (not because his posts were forced, as others were saying).

I too thought it was weird which is why I want TW to explain his townread on TS. The way he jumped on TS and later townreading him for that stuff being a joke is very unusual.


trashcan post about agreeing things are weird.

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On June 05 2017 02:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 02:21 Fidei86 wrote:
LS can you give your top three scum? and top three town?

top 3 town:
Tubesock: Had some decent content that I agreed with.
Grack: Tone says town Grack over scum Grack atm he seems genuine with his posts to BH.
ritoky: Put in some work and read part of HF's filter from Generic plus decent content posts.
top 3 scum
BH: His push on Grack seems forced more or less and made a super big deal out of nothing? Also agreed with Tubeosck's point on him.
TW: Didn't really like his reasoning on his townread switch on TS. It just feels weird.
Honestly don't got a 3rd scum yet.



fidei tossing LS softballs.

i don't really think i am conf biasing

James pretty much spewed me town although iffy at best but here the thing. I went on james because it was either TW who claimed doctor or BH who I felt had atownie reaction to wanting to get lynched over the doctor so I went with the james wagon. We got lucky there that James flipped scum. But that leaves the real question:
What the hell scum was doing EoD? The ycould of controlled the lynch yet they didn't. Do you think I would kill my gf that early regardless of what would happen when I care more about the team? I wouldn't risk losing a scum member to shannies at all hell I wouldn't risk it even more on the gf. Also James questions to me I was actually being honest right there I had no 3rd option right at that time.
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#913
ritoky just admit you can't read me for shit especially in the Im the Cop You Idiot game -.-
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#914
Also here my doubts of James flipping scum:
On June 05 2017 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:
I not feeling good about this switch to james now with everyone jumping on broad.

I was rather surprised about the flip there as shown here:
On June 05 2017 09:10 LightningStrike wrote:
lmao didn't expect that flip. Either mafia was afk EoD or are willing to bus James for no reason.
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#915
Like if you thought I was going for credit there I wasn't I was just showing my pure emotions at the lynch.
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#923
On June 06 2017 04:30 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 04:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 06 2017 03:49 ritoky wrote:
On June 06 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote:
Hey ritoky how about some input? You had concerns about LS and he was on the mafia lynch and you ain't said shit.


i work graveyards in the ER so, i been at work and asleep.

i mean what do you want me to say? mechanics and my brain tells me that tomorrow we don't lynch anyone who voted on dead lynch mafia because that's optimal play; but i just think LS is mafia.

not only did he have basically no reads while being active and present all d1, but he wasn't even trying to get reads. plus that whole take 5 posts to list every possible scenario of vivax and hf arguing was just a steamy turd.

plus you look at his post lynch reaction and compare it to BH (who i think comes off incredibly town); and it's just bad. he is reaching for cred like he led a lynch or hammered a lynch when he is an extraneous vote on a basically 7 vote wagon, and has never even said anything relevant about the guy in his filter.

plus you go look at his filter in relation to fid:

On June 03 2017 20:10 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up not much going on except some really weird argument between TW and TS.
On June 03 2017 19:09 Fidei86 wrote:
Hi all! Long time no speak for a lot of you. I've played a bit of video Mafia since I've been away (which I'm horrible at, it turns out) but I'm excited to get back into forums.

I think TW's thinking makes sense if you assume he doesn't know TS's usual posting style (which I think is like almost comically formal); it wasn't immediately obvious to me that TS was joking either. But that said, I'm not sure that I buy TW's switch to town reading TS? TW doesn't recant on his thinking TS is dumb - but if TS is joking then obviously he doesn't believe it, and so isn't dumb?

I also don't like Vivax's read on TS. Asking about RNG lynches isn't driving the game forward either. I'd say TS is null and TW is scummy null; giving them both a town pass at this stage is waaay premature. But at the same time, I do really like Vivax pinging Grack. So overall TR.

The people I really don't like are Onegu, BH, Grack and LS. Everyone else can be forgiven for not being in the thread (HF is British I think, so he gets a pass as well) but each of those has been here and has studiously avoided saying anything meaningful. LS has, what, four or five posts, none saying anything even vaguely game related. I seem to recall LS has trouble getting started as Mafia... this would fit right into that.

Actually my last game I had trouble getting started too yet I was town? I guess you haven't followed any games in recent times lol.
Filter from last game: http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/521332-generic-mini-mafia-ii?user=LightningStrike
Granted it still early Day 1 atm.



Fidei puts tiny pressure on LS, LS posts a filter link. fidei just stops, then magically LS becomes a town lean.

On June 03 2017 22:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 03 2017 22:36 Fidei86 wrote:
okay here's the thing I don't get: TW pointed out that TS's response to BH and the "rush" of posts was weird. I agree with TW insofar as that was the way I read it too, at first. But then TS said he was actually joking, which makes sense (and it fits in with TS' posting style insofar as I remember it from previous games). If it had ended there, fair enough. But then TW says "I still think what you said was weird, but you're towny" after TS had said it was a joke. That doesn't make sense to me. Like, TW landed pretty hard on TS for his initial read, and nothing changed other than TS claiming it wasn't serious, but TW's read flipped.

So that's why I think TW is on the scummy side of null (not because his posts were forced, as others were saying).

I too thought it was weird which is why I want TW to explain his townread on TS. The way he jumped on TS and later townreading him for that stuff being a joke is very unusual.


trashcan post about agreeing things are weird.

On June 05 2017 02:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 02:21 Fidei86 wrote:
LS can you give your top three scum? and top three town?

top 3 town:
Tubesock: Had some decent content that I agreed with.
Grack: Tone says town Grack over scum Grack atm he seems genuine with his posts to BH.
ritoky: Put in some work and read part of HF's filter from Generic plus decent content posts.
top 3 scum
BH: His push on Grack seems forced more or less and made a super big deal out of nothing? Also agreed with Tubeosck's point on him.
TW: Didn't really like his reasoning on his townread switch on TS. It just feels weird.
Honestly don't got a 3rd scum yet.



fidei tossing LS softballs.

i don't really think i am conf biasing

James pretty much spewed me town although iffy at best but here the thing. I went on james because it was either TW who claimed doctor or BH who I felt had atownie reaction to wanting to get lynched over the doctor so I went with the james wagon. We got lucky there that James flipped scum. But that leaves the real question:
What the hell scum was doing EoD? The ycould of controlled the lynch yet they didn't. Do you think I would kill my gf that early regardless of what would happen when I care more about the team? I wouldn't risk losing a scum member to shannies at all hell I wouldn't risk it even more on the gf. Also James questions to me I was actually being honest right there I had no 3rd option right at that time.


i reject that you had any influence EoD on the vote; and personal relationships are relevant cuz?

I would of actually tried to influence them to stay on BH or get back on BH at that time if I was scum there and James asked me a question so I decided to be honest about my answer of not having 3 scums. You know very well I don't normally got that many scum until maybe Day 2 or 3 max -.-
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#925
On June 06 2017 04:29 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 04:08 LightningStrike wrote:
ritoky why you wasted your vote EoD when it was clear no one was on me? That was extremely dumb and BH wasting his vote too was terrible we just got lucky on the shannies hitting scum.


bh waited until the dude was basically in the ground b4 playing games, he didn't endanger shit.

and wasted my vote? i came back with 3 minutes, barely grasped that a blue had been claimed and voted on the next up on my list. you act like my vote could have done anything. i don't see a quadruple voter role in this game.

It still makes you and BH look bad for VCA that why I giving a damn about it. We both know wasting votes regardless of the flip is terrible.
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#928
Anyways I going to pick up my cat she had to go back to the vet for stuff.
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#950
Just got back from the vet:
On June 06 2017 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 04:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 06 2017 04:29 ritoky wrote:
On June 06 2017 04:08 LightningStrike wrote:
ritoky why you wasted your vote EoD when it was clear no one was on me? That was extremely dumb and BH wasting his vote too was terrible we just got lucky on the shannies hitting scum.


bh waited until the dude was basically in the ground b4 playing games, he didn't endanger shit.

and wasted my vote? i came back with 3 minutes, barely grasped that a blue had been claimed and voted on the next up on my list. you act like my vote could have done anything. i don't see a quadruple voter role in this game.

It still makes you and BH look bad for VCA that why I giving a damn about it. We both know wasting votes regardless of the flip is terrible.


no it doesn't really

Damdred told me this in one of the games in my early days of playing no joke there.
On June 06 2017 04:46 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 04:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 06 2017 04:29 ritoky wrote:
On June 06 2017 04:08 LightningStrike wrote:
ritoky why you wasted your vote EoD when it was clear no one was on me? That was extremely dumb and BH wasting his vote too was terrible we just got lucky on the shannies hitting scum.


bh waited until the dude was basically in the ground b4 playing games, he didn't endanger shit.

and wasted my vote? i came back with 3 minutes, barely grasped that a blue had been claimed and voted on the next up on my list. you act like my vote could have done anything. i don't see a quadruple voter role in this game.

It still makes you and BH look bad for VCA that why I giving a damn about it. We both know wasting votes regardless of the flip is terrible.


i mean i could sit here and argue back that i would have voted on fid for the free cred if i come back to the thread and my partner is basically dead. but where's that gonna get us?

Some towncred you could use for later.
On June 06 2017 04:49 ritoky wrote:
i don't get you LS. do you think i am wrong or mafia? i feel like you're talking to me like i am wrong, not mafia; which is just bizarre.

I don't know honestly like I thought you were townie early on but your EoD voting on a off wagon that wasn't going to happen seems sketchy. Which is a issue I had with BH too EoD on his vote switch to Vivax.
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#951
Also Vivax not really posting anything is pretty odd for him and might be alignment indicative for him.
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#953
On June 06 2017 05:42 Vivax wrote:
Yea well if you think I'm mafia for afking this game shoot me tonight cause I'm pulling a rayn and will be afk.
Just gonna vote when either of HF or BH gets lynched and make a token post during the day.

Why you so sure BH and HF are scum?
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#974
On June 06 2017 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
The correct play at night is to play just as you would in the day.

Also I'm going to bed. Tumblewood isn't medic, I am vet.

Why didn't you you were the vet EoD before shannies happened?
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#975
On June 06 2017 08:52 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
The correct play at night is to play just as you would in the day.

Also I'm going to bed. Tumblewood isn't medic, I am vet.

Why didn't you say you were the vet EoD before shannies happened?

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#976
Is this going to be Generic Mafia all over again?
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#981
On June 06 2017 08:56 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 05 2017 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
i don't think he's doctor


I did

I mean actually claiming your role not just saying he's not the doctor.....
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#984
Grack slipped?
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#987
On June 06 2017 08:59 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 06 2017 08:59 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 06 2017 08:56 Holyflare wrote:
On June 05 2017 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
i don't think he's doctor


I did

I mean actually claiming your role not just saying he's not the doctor.....


Because I'm not fucking retarded?

I would think you would cc him to get the lynch off....
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#988
Also the Onegu kill is weird as fuck.
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#991
On June 06 2017 09:02 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 06 2017 09:01 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the Onegu kill is weird as fuck.


Tumblewood is mafia how does he kill himself? Why is it weird?

Because I would think they would target someone other than Onegu like you or BH or whoever really.
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#992
On June 06 2017 09:02 Holyflare wrote:
No i absolutely wouldn't because he's a free mafia and we can get info on someone else

Fair play I guess it just not the way I was taught on how to play blue.
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#994
On June 06 2017 09:04 Holyflare wrote:
Not the guy that led the wagon on their team mate?

Obviously this isn't a normal nk since Onegu isn't known for extraordinary abilities as town that's why lol.
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#995
Anyways we got mafia on the platter let's get it!
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#998
On June 06 2017 09:07 Grackaroni wrote:
I was a bit surprised they killed Onegu but I don't think it's terrible. Maybe they thought TW was veteran or something.

????
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#1000
On June 06 2017 09:09 Grackaroni wrote:
HF is a definite fake.

Why you say that when he left some breadcrumbs?
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#1007
Town Veteran
You have a bulletproof vest that can absorb one bullet. This means you need to be shot twice in order to die: once to destroy the vest, once to kill you. If you are roleblocked, however, your bulletproof vest doesn't work that night. You win with the town
.
Ugh you didn't read the op correctly O_o
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#1009
HF why you didn't put your vote in the voting thread lmao.
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#1013
On June 06 2017 09:20 Grackaroni wrote:
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On June 06 2017 09:13 Holyflare wrote:
Also grack I'm sorry you rolled mafia this game buddy. Thanks for telling me there's no rber though.

Maybe Onegu got vigged and I failed with the RBer and you're already confirmed.

I think that must be it.

You claiming vig or what??????
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#1015
On June 06 2017 09:26 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 06 2017 09:15 LightningStrike wrote:
Town Veteran
You have a bulletproof vest that can absorb one bullet. This means you need to be shot twice in order to die: once to destroy the vest, once to kill you. If you are roleblocked, however, your bulletproof vest doesn't work that night. You win with the town
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Ugh you didn't read the op correctly O_o


How did I not read it correctly? If tw was just town fake claiming then mafia was afraid he's vet and shot someone else because they have no rber. That's what grack is implying the situation is.

With his tmi.

Oh meh just a weird situation that why I am confused in this mess.
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#1018
On June 06 2017 09:40 Tubesock wrote:
So basically, we lynch Tumblewood, if he flips doc we lynch HF for doing a similar play he did in last game. But last game, he did it to out the doc didn't he?

Would a town Tumblewood fakeclaim to stay alive? Is there a world where HF is fakeclaiming Vet as town?

1.Yes he outed our doc last game by claiming into recding once Vivax cc'd him.
2 and 3. No
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#1023
Okay HF decided to recide his claim hmm....
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#1025
Also mafia could keep the doc alive and rb him.
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#1049
On June 06 2017 10:47 Prison Break wrote:
If we assume TW got rb'd tonight and rb can't target the same target twice, then he may get nightkilled tomorrow night

Pretty sure they could just rb a person as often as they like.
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#1142
Vivax claimed cop with a red check on HF....... Do I want to risk it being a fake claim because the last time HF got red checked I threw the game.........
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#1144
On June 06 2017 22:54 Holyflare wrote:
Have you even read anything? It's clearly fake, he slips up in his own post.

On June 06 2017 12:53 Vivax wrote:
Morning.
I'm cop and redchecked HF (in spite of his BS vet claim at the end of the night).

Now what's going to happen is:

You're all going to go ham on whether cop and doc is likely in this setup.

Everyone will either vote HF or me as it should be.

At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments.

Now I will park my vote on HF, and probably afk until the end of the day when I check in to see if he got lynched. I literally don't care who you vote, but it has to be one of us.

You talking about the bolded area in spite of his BS vet claim part? If so it seems super weird for him to put that in the post.
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#1524
I honestly been waiting to see if anyone will CC Vivax and was thinking about the game scenrios if Vivax was the cop but he recided his claim. Idk why he decided to make us waste 48 hours but then again I did do something similar in the game where hf survived a red check as scum. Vivax if you are town what the hell were you thinking of claiming a red check on HF that early in the day only to recide that claim?
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#1530
On June 07 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote:
And LS I was hoping to cut off the hydras head in one clean swipe with that play but it backfired.
Aaaahhhh but you will look back and think "if we only lynched him that day already".

Okay... A little odd.
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#1531
Idk what to think honestly because it was very anti town of Vivax to try to do that claim stuff but it is a mostly stupid move for scum to do that unless he wanted to do a very big gamble. Yes I know scum was in a bad shot losing their GF Day 1 but it not impossible for them to come back and Vivax knows this. very mixed feelings on this honestly :\
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#1533
On June 07 2017 23:50 Holyflare wrote:
He wanted to draw a blue out and he "did".

It's dumb move regardless of his alignment that why I am confused.
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#1534
I honestly surprised that Grack is voting on a off wagon. Hmmm.
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#1536
On June 08 2017 00:24 Holyflare wrote:
Why is that surprising?

Because we suppose to solve you vs Vivax not voting anyone else obviously -.-
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#1538
On June 08 2017 00:51 Holyflare wrote:
If he's made a case stating why vivax is town and believes it why is it weird?

I would think he would vote you instead of ritoky that's why.
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#1540
On June 08 2017 01:18 Holyflare wrote:
But he town reads me scum reads ritoky? Why on earth would he vote me??

If vivax is town that doesn't make me mafia that just makes him awful.

I don't see a post where he townreads you within the last day cycle unless it was from Day 1?
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#1543
On June 08 2017 02:22 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 17:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 07 2017 16:57 Vivax wrote:
Btw Grack you owe me for pestering me in resistance while trying to kick sharkie out of teams so don't be a bitch and help a brotha out here.

I want to help you but most of these players aren't used to our shitty plays and they are going to want to punish you for this.

I also don't think either HF or BH are good lynches.

Off the top of my head I like Ritoky/Conversion lynches.

Also Tubesock is a definite possibility.


Boom pseudo town read.

Not much of a town read lol.
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#1556
On June 08 2017 04:00 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 23:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I honestly been waiting to see if anyone will CC Vivax and was thinking about the game scenrios if Vivax was the cop but he recided his claim. Idk why he decided to make us waste 48 hours but then again I did do something similar in the game where hf survived a red check as scum. Vivax if you are town what the hell were you thinking of claiming a red check on HF that early in the day only to recide that claim?


Have you really been "waiting to see" or have you just been afk and disinterested in the game?

Cuz your post doesn't sound like you read the past 10 or so pages.

Yep I really been waiting to see honestly. I did read the last 10 pages just skimmed them more of less.
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#1559
On June 08 2017 04:03 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2017 23:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Idk what to think honestly because it was very anti town of Vivax to try to do that claim stuff but it is a mostly stupid move for scum to do that unless he wanted to do a very big gamble. Yes I know scum was in a bad shot losing their GF Day 1 but it not impossible for them to come back and Vivax knows this. very mixed feelings on this honestly :\


why are you so afraid to make any reads this game?

I been thinking about rather the fact Vivax if he was the real cop (hint he retracted his claim) who was pissed off and didn't do shit after red checking HF but then later he unclaimed. I honestly can't tell whether it's scum Vivax doing a suicidal move or a depressed town Vivax.
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#1560
On June 08 2017 04:04 Holyflare wrote:
Hey ls why did you make me stop scum reading fidei?

I didn't?
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#1561
On June 08 2017 04:08 Holyflare wrote:
He was waiting for a cc because he knew i was town and vivax couldn't be cop :D

No I don't know if you are town or not -.-
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#1562
On June 08 2017 04:07 ritoky wrote:
So were you actively watching the game and looking for a CC like you said LS or were you just afk and lying? Cuz the fact that you seem to have no clue about why grack isn't voting on hf or vivax when it is pretty clear if you read the thread, suggests the latter.

I skimmed the thread looking for a cc until I saw Vivax retracted his claim.
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#1565
On June 08 2017 04:11 ritoky wrote:
Also regarding Vivax, I get the argument that grack makes for how your play can come from a place of town anger and frustration.....but I have a hard time believing that you never once considered "what if everyone believes me and i am wrong? with this play". You take town from a place of lynching mafia to lynching back to back townies most likely.

Also why did you feel you had to make a play like this, you thought there's no way you can get hf lynched through conventional means?

Well he did sounded angry about the fact James got lynched instead EoD and was giving us shit about it.
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#1570
On June 08 2017 04:14 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 02:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 05 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
LS what do you think if Fidei putting me in a mafia list with Tumblewood?

You might call it weird but I done that before myself agreeing with someone's point doesn't mean they don't townread you.


Yeh you did!

That's your own fault for taking my words as gospel then. I didn't say he was town or scum based on that I just say you might call it weird -.-
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#1572
On June 08 2017 04:15 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 04:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:03 ritoky wrote:
On June 07 2017 23:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Idk what to think honestly because it was very anti town of Vivax to try to do that claim stuff but it is a mostly stupid move for scum to do that unless he wanted to do a very big gamble. Yes I know scum was in a bad shot losing their GF Day 1 but it not impossible for them to come back and Vivax knows this. very mixed feelings on this honestly :\


why are you so afraid to make any reads this game?

I been thinking about rather the fact Vivax if he was the real cop (hint he retracted his claim) who was pissed off and didn't do shit after red checking HF but then later he unclaimed. I honestly can't tell whether it's scum Vivax doing a suicidal move or a depressed town Vivax.


being uncertain on vivax's alignment doesn't prevent you from having other reads. or conditional reads based on what he flips. do you have any of those?

Got you likely town but still found it weird that you went on a off wagon EoD. BH could be town based on his reaction of potentially getting lynched but again he went off wagon pretty close to EoD. Grack I feel is very likely town because he playing similar to generic how he was somewhat trolly but later did try to put in some work. TS I will have to reread his filter and ofc TW is unCCed doctor.
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#1573
On June 08 2017 04:18 Holyflare wrote:
No it's your fault!

Blaming me when you are considered the better player now that is strange to say at least.
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#1576
On June 08 2017 04:21 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 04:19 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:15 ritoky wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:03 ritoky wrote:
On June 07 2017 23:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Idk what to think honestly because it was very anti town of Vivax to try to do that claim stuff but it is a mostly stupid move for scum to do that unless he wanted to do a very big gamble. Yes I know scum was in a bad shot losing their GF Day 1 but it not impossible for them to come back and Vivax knows this. very mixed feelings on this honestly :\


why are you so afraid to make any reads this game?

I been thinking about rather the fact Vivax if he was the real cop (hint he retracted his claim) who was pissed off and didn't do shit after red checking HF but then later he unclaimed. I honestly can't tell whether it's scum Vivax doing a suicidal move or a depressed town Vivax.


being uncertain on vivax's alignment doesn't prevent you from having other reads. or conditional reads based on what he flips. do you have any of those?

Got you likely town but still found it weird that you went on a off wagon EoD. BH could be town based on his reaction of potentially getting lynched but again he went off wagon pretty close to EoD. Grack I feel is very likely town because he playing similar to generic how he was somewhat trolly but later did try to put in some work. TS I will have to reread his filter and ofc TW is unCCed doctor.


why isn't HF town? fear? respect? or something in particular?

I respect his scum game a lot but he more of a null read atm because of that.
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#1577
On June 08 2017 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
It's all your fault.

Also tw isn't the unCCd doctor. He's mafia.

No it not my fault when you take things as gospel. Also why is TW mafia instead of being the unCCed doctor?
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#1579
On June 08 2017 04:24 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:21 ritoky wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:19 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:15 ritoky wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:03 ritoky wrote:
On June 07 2017 23:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Idk what to think honestly because it was very anti town of Vivax to try to do that claim stuff but it is a mostly stupid move for scum to do that unless he wanted to do a very big gamble. Yes I know scum was in a bad shot losing their GF Day 1 but it not impossible for them to come back and Vivax knows this. very mixed feelings on this honestly :\


why are you so afraid to make any reads this game?

I been thinking about rather the fact Vivax if he was the real cop (hint he retracted his claim) who was pissed off and didn't do shit after red checking HF but then later he unclaimed. I honestly can't tell whether it's scum Vivax doing a suicidal move or a depressed town Vivax.


being uncertain on vivax's alignment doesn't prevent you from having other reads. or conditional reads based on what he flips. do you have any of those?

Got you likely town but still found it weird that you went on a off wagon EoD. BH could be town based on his reaction of potentially getting lynched but again he went off wagon pretty close to EoD. Grack I feel is very likely town because he playing similar to generic how he was somewhat trolly but later did try to put in some work. TS I will have to reread his filter and ofc TW is unCCed doctor.


why isn't HF town? fear? respect? or something in particular?

I respect his scum game a lot but he more of a null read atm because of that.


so no feelings or specifics that triggered that? just your generic brand "he's holyflare so if he is alive day 4 i am gonna lynch him cuz it is what you do" read?

Sort of. He blaming me for some bull shit stuff atm but he always look townie as both alignments with his posts.
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#1586
On June 08 2017 04:31 ritoky wrote:
Also LS, why am I likely town?

I liked some of your posts early on and your tone actually does sound genuine but you still can't read me well
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#1587
On June 08 2017 04:38 ritoky wrote:
Can I take a moment to laugh at the dumpster fire that is my country right now? I just read the opening statement Comey is going to give tomorrow, and all I can do is laugh in pain.

It been a shitfest since Trump took office and now we being looked as the laughing stock of the world
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#1588
On June 08 2017 04:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 04:31 ritoky wrote:
Also LS, why am I likely town?

I liked some of your posts early on and your tone actually does sound genuine but you still can't read me well

Mainly you trying to talk to me about HF and actually reading his case on me in generic which is a unnecessary effort I don't think you would do as scum.
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#1589
On June 08 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
Ls hit me up with a tmi read list.

I not scum?
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#1665
On June 08 2017 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Also please note that LS posted no read list when asked. Let it be known.

I did gave some reads but you also worded like you think I am scum. You were going to call it a TMI town list so bother if you just going to call it TMI?
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#1667
Also btdt we have to settle HF vs Vivax today nothing more nothing less.
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#1668
On June 08 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
Ls hit me up with a tmi read list.

How does that not sound like you were ready to just call me scum?
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#1670
Like I would had to be retarded to think you weren't ready to call me scum with that post.
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#1671
On June 08 2017 06:04 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 04:53 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
Ls hit me up with a tmi read list.

I not scum?


I didn't say you were. Gimme your reads list, mafia.


Again you called me scum.....
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#1676
On June 08 2017 06:06 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:04 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:53 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
Ls hit me up with a tmi read list.

I not scum?


I didn't say you were. Gimme your reads list, mafia.


Again you called me scum.....


I didn't call you scum.

Please, mafia, give me your read list.

You calling me scum again what the fuck is wrong with you? You seriously can't be this serious......
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#1678
On June 08 2017 06:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 06:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Also btdt we have to settle HF vs Vivax today nothing more nothing less.

This isn't HF vs Vivax anymore though. It's just Vivax vs his bad play. If "bad play" wins, he flips town, if not, he flips scum - or so, I guess you get the point

They were shit fighting since Day 1 we have to decide it today or not at all.
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#1683
On June 08 2017 06:24 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 06:07 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:06 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:04 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:53 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
Ls hit me up with a tmi read list.

I not scum?


I didn't say you were. Gimme your reads list, mafia.


Again you called me scum.....


I didn't call you scum.

Please, mafia, give me your read list.

You calling me scum again what the fuck is wrong with you? You seriously can't be this serious......
##Vote: Holyflare


I haven't once called you scum, you mafia dog!

scum=mafia don't you know that -.-
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#1684
On June 08 2017 06:26 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 06:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Also btdt we have to settle HF vs Vivax today nothing more nothing less.

This isn't HF vs Vivax anymore though. It's just Vivax vs his bad play. If "bad play" wins, he flips town, if not, he flips scum - or so, I guess you get the point

They were shit fighting since Day 1 we have to decide it today or not at all.


Not once did we shit fight. I just called out his bs tirade.

Then what you called Day 1 argument between you two then?
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#1688
On June 08 2017 06:28 Holyflare wrote:
Last time I checked scum = scum and mafia = mafia. I don't know what dictionary you're using.

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You should know better that scum=mafia in almost every forum.
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#1690
On June 08 2017 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 06:28 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:26 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Also btdt we have to settle HF vs Vivax today nothing more nothing less.

This isn't HF vs Vivax anymore though. It's just Vivax vs his bad play. If "bad play" wins, he flips town, if not, he flips scum - or so, I guess you get the point

They were shit fighting since Day 1 we have to decide it today or not at all.


Not once did we shit fight. I just called out his bs tirade.

Then what you called Day 1 argument between you two then?


You think Blazinghand is town. Vivax kept pushing bs meta that was wrong to say he was definitely mafia. I said he was a coin flip and provided evidence.

Why is that a shit fight instead of a constructive discussion where I proved vivax wrong on multiple fronts? What was shit about it?

Because it lasted pages upon pages long. Maybe I should just rephrase it: Long fighting.
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#1693
On June 08 2017 06:32 Holyflare wrote:
And why do you keep repeatedly harping on about solving HF vs Vivax? Vivax has fake claimed. Vivax didn't rescind UNTIL someome claimed blue (me). He waited for a CC. He forced someone to out their role to lynch a town member.

But now you're lynching me because you couldn't possibly see that as a mafia play.

I done that shit as town so I can see his PoV it just a stupid thing to do as both alignments though. He did showed frustration EoD 1 about not getting his prefered lynch which felt genuine.
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#1694
On June 08 2017 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 06:32 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:28 Holyflare wrote:
Last time I checked scum = scum and mafia = mafia. I don't know what dictionary you're using.

[image loading]
You should know better that scum=mafia in almost every forum.


I stand by my comment. I have not called you scum.

You were treating me like it and calling me mafia = calling me scum in everything forum including this one.
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#1699
On June 08 2017 06:36 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 08 2017 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:28 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:26 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Also btdt we have to settle HF vs Vivax today nothing more nothing less.

This isn't HF vs Vivax anymore though. It's just Vivax vs his bad play. If "bad play" wins, he flips town, if not, he flips scum - or so, I guess you get the point

They were shit fighting since Day 1 we have to decide it today or not at all.


Not once did we shit fight. I just called out his bs tirade.

Then what you called Day 1 argument between you two then?


You think Blazinghand is town. Vivax kept pushing bs meta that was wrong to say he was definitely mafia. I said he was a coin flip and provided evidence.

Why is that a shit fight instead of a constructive discussion where I proved vivax wrong on multiple fronts? What was shit about it?

Because it lasted pages upon pages long. Maybe I should just rephrase it: Long fighting.


And why can't you analyse that fight with new information you think you have?

You think Blazinghand is town. One of us was defending the stand point that he was a coin flip after he posted nothing and linked multiple games worth of meta to display that point.

The other one selectively picked one or two games to say he was definitely mafia and that he should be lynched. When proven wrong with links that countered this argument he maintained BH was still mafia. Then that same person fake claimed a red check, drew out a "blue" claim and has done nothing.

So why was this so hard for you to decipher? Is it because you did not at any point read the vivax/me conversation?

I read both sides it just felt very dumb from my PoV arguing over very small things.
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June 07 2017 21:38 GMT
#1701
On June 08 2017 06:37 Blazinghand wrote:
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On June 08 2017 06:37 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:33 Tubesock wrote:
BH vs Grack was a shit fight. V vs HF wasn't.

I'm not taking the blame for that shit fight. That was all Blazinghand acting stupidly and me responding.

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA you got it backwards, once again you are LYING!?!?!?

You both are at fault for the fight between each other.
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June 07 2017 21:39 GMT
#1703
On June 08 2017 06:38 Blazinghand wrote:
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On June 08 2017 06:37 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:37 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:33 Tubesock wrote:
BH vs Grack was a shit fight. V vs HF wasn't.

I'm not taking the blame for that shit fight. That was all Blazinghand acting stupidly and me responding.

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA you got it backwards, once again you are LYING!?!?!?


btw this was a joke, all grack related shit is on hold until this day is over

..............I went full Romanian then.
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#1707
On June 08 2017 06:42 Blazinghand wrote:
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On June 08 2017 06:38 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:37 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:37 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:33 Tubesock wrote:
BH vs Grack was a shit fight. V vs HF wasn't.

I'm not taking the blame for that shit fight. That was all Blazinghand acting stupidly and me responding.

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA you got it backwards, once again you are LYING!?!?!?

You both are at fault for the fight between each other.


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On June 08 2017 06:39 Tubesock wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:37 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:33 Tubesock wrote:
BH vs Grack was a shit fight. V vs HF wasn't.

I'm not taking the blame for that shit fight. That was all Blazinghand acting stupidly and me responding.


And that was one of he reasons I scummed BH.


OK but like, and I hate to beat a dead horse here, Grack literally said provably false things, even if you think he did so unknowingly.

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On June 08 2017 06:39 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:38 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:37 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:37 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:33 Tubesock wrote:
BH vs Grack was a shit fight. V vs HF wasn't.

I'm not taking the blame for that shit fight. That was all Blazinghand acting stupidly and me responding.

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA you got it backwards, once again you are LYING!?!?!?


btw this was a joke, all grack related shit is on hold until this day is over

..............I went full Romanian then.


I don't get the reference

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On June 08 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:39 Tubesock wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:37 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 08 2017 06:33 Tubesock wrote:
BH vs Grack was a shit fight. V vs HF wasn't.

I'm not taking the blame for that shit fight. That was all Blazinghand acting stupidly and me responding.


And that was one of he reasons I scummed BH.

Now I enjoy his antics.


</3

Not understand sarcasm is usually associated with being Romanian on TL.
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#1722
Well guys I wont be here at deadline letting you guys know now.
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#1723
Also fuck my life how can the mods not count my vote at all....
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#1790
Just got home and Vivax flipped town. Figured he might honestly.
On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum.

Yes your vote was on Vivax at the end of the day as shown here:
On June 08 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote:
Day Two Final Vote Count

Vivax (7): Tubesock, Holyflare, Blazinghand, Conversion, Prison Break, ritoky, Tumblewood, Tubesock
Holyflare (2): Vivax, beentheredonethat, LightningStrike
ritoky (1): Grackaroni
Prison Break (1): beentheredonethat
Grackaroni (0): ritoky
beentheredonethat (0): Prison Break
Tumblewood (0): LightningStrike

Nice try on lying on that front.
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#1791
On June 08 2017 09:14 Blazinghand wrote:
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On June 08 2017 09:13 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum.

Also one more thing: tone-wise, this quoted piece is like "hey, we all wanted it, we all needed it, so it had to happen", brushing off any guilt. But you, BH, never believed in Vivax being cop in the first place. You actively pushed for a lynch, supporting HF super heavily, yet you say you're not townreading him. That's super suspicious.

Also note how HF is a total mistery to us now.
Whew. Okay. I'll go to bed now, it's 2 AM in the morning here.

Blabla setup speculation: if there's a vig in, PB, BH, HF are all solid targets. Maybe even me although I think my D2 should've made pretty clear that I'm town.



This was a joke post. this was a joke post. I was joking

Oh rip didn't see this still trying to catch up responding to some people's posts.
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#1792
On June 08 2017 09:19 Tumblewood wrote:
see, this is why we don't fakeclaim as town.

Ya it pretty shitty thing for Vivax to do but we can solve this game better now I think.
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#1794
Caught up now btdt looked pretty townie from that lynch honestly with his reaction to the lynch and how he was like wanting to give up and shit Day 2.
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#1795
On June 08 2017 12:30 Blazinghand wrote:
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On June 08 2017 12:22 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and Vivax flipped town. Figured he might honestly.
On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum.

Yes your vote was on Vivax at the end of the day as shown here:
On June 08 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote:
Day Two Final Vote Count

Vivax (7): Tubesock, Holyflare, Blazinghand, Conversion, Prison Break, ritoky, Tumblewood, Tubesock
Holyflare (2): Vivax, beentheredonethat, LightningStrike
ritoky (1): Grackaroni
Prison Break (1): beentheredonethat
Grackaroni (0): ritoky
beentheredonethat (0): Prison Break
Tumblewood (0): LightningStrike

Nice try on lying on that front.


Sweet mother of mercy you know you can scroll like three posts up to see me saying "Vivax is definitely scum" above the post in which I am claiming that I defended Vivax. Man the moral of the story is to never tell jokes I guess

I was still catching up at the time and I don't read sarcasm well :\
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#1850
On June 08 2017 15:02 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 08 2017 12:22 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and Vivax flipped town. Figured he might honestly.
On June 08 2017 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
You know as one of the few people to speak out against blindly lynching Vivax I feel vindicated here. You all were talking about how he's indisputably scum and I pointed out that he could have just been cartoonishly bad town. And unlike you guys my vote wasn't on Vivax at the end of day. If only you'd listened to me we'd have been fine. But instead I was ignored and Vivax was lynched. But I do respect that it had to be done, even if I didn't expect him to flip scum.

Yes your vote was on Vivax at the end of the day as shown here:
On June 08 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote:
Day Two Final Vote Count

Vivax (7): Tubesock, Holyflare, Blazinghand, Conversion, Prison Break, ritoky, Tumblewood, Tubesock
Holyflare (2): Vivax, beentheredonethat, LightningStrike
ritoky (1): Grackaroni
Prison Break (1): beentheredonethat
Grackaroni (0): ritoky
beentheredonethat (0): Prison Break
Tumblewood (0): LightningStrike

Nice try on lying on that front.


You voted off the wagon! That's mafia-y!

Because I thought you were more likely mafia over Vivax and I already said we had to solve you vs Vivax....
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#1851
On June 08 2017 21:20 Tubesock wrote:
Speaking of LS.

LS, Who do you trust? Aside from HF, who do you want to kill? I don't need reasons.

Are you still only suspicious of two people? Let's talk about who holds your interest at the moment. If no one in particular stands out, can you pick one of Grack, PB, BH or btdt? I've seen things I've liked and disliked of all of them.

If I had a gun to my head probably PB but it only because I townread the others and didn't really read his filter which I should do at some point.
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#1853
On June 08 2017 21:24 Holyflare wrote:
LS only scum reads me because I trolled him and he didn't even realise.

Were you really just trolling me in the last cycle???????? Couldn't tell honestly.......
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#1854
On June 08 2017 21:44 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 08 2017 21:42 Tubesock wrote:
On June 08 2017 21:38 Holyflare wrote:
Pb's filter is all excuses? Just the post coint excuses or what? I haven't actually read his filter it's just that he's so tonally different to me in every post I see.


Just quickly read through. The vast majority have some excuse in them.


Can you link me his filter in hearthstone filter? :p

http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi?user=Prison Break
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June 08 2017 13:27 GMT
#1857
On June 08 2017 22:16 Tubesock wrote:
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On June 08 2017 21:56 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 21:20 Tubesock wrote:
Speaking of LS.

LS, Who do you trust? Aside from HF, who do you want to kill? I don't need reasons.

Are you still only suspicious of two people? Let's talk about who holds your interest at the moment. If no one in particular stands out, can you pick one of Grack, PB, BH or btdt? I've seen things I've liked and disliked of all of them.

If I had a gun to my head probably PB but it only because I townread the others and didn't really read his filter which I should do at some point.


I'm looking for his rational for not voting Fidei. He said somewhere that Fidei was the one he pushed the most. But PB was there at eod and didn't vote him?

He was there EoD with like 3 minutes to go and voted btdt since he thought btdt was scum then from what I reading from page 1 of his filter.
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June 08 2017 13:28 GMT
#1858
On June 08 2017 22:20 Tubesock wrote:
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On June 08 2017 21:56 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2017 21:20 Tubesock wrote:
Speaking of LS.

LS, Who do you trust? Aside from HF, who do you want to kill? I don't need reasons.

Are you still only suspicious of two people? Let's talk about who holds your interest at the moment. If no one in particular stands out, can you pick one of Grack, PB, BH or btdt? I've seen things I've liked and disliked of all of them.

If I had a gun to my head probably PB but it only because I townread the others and didn't really read his filter which I should do at some point.


What about Ritoky, Conversion?

Ritoky I townreading.
Conversion I need to read his fitler too.
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#1874
On June 09 2017 01:16 Prison Break wrote:
EBWOP

(I'm basically asking you why you're townreading others over me)

At the time I didn't read your filter and I don't think you're scum. I still got HF still as a scum read Conversion some of his stuff comes off weird espcally his reaction to Vivax's lynch and tryign to defend himself for some reason about being on a team with you was impossible. If I wrong on any of my townreads maybe BH or Grack. Their fight seemed off idk from which side though.
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#1875
The reason I don't think you're scum though PB is your a lot more messy in terms of your posts this game than last game where you were pretty clean there in comparison.
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#1880
On June 09 2017 03:02 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 09 2017 01:57 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2017 01:16 Prison Break wrote:
EBWOP

(I'm basically asking you why you're townreading others over me)

At the time I didn't read your filter and I don't think you're scum. I still got HF still as a scum read Conversion some of his stuff comes off weird espcally his reaction to Vivax's lynch and tryign to defend himself for some reason about being on a team with you was impossible. If I wrong on any of my townreads maybe BH or Grack. Their fight seemed off idk from which side though.


But why am i ever your scum read? That's totally unexplained.

I explained it before?????? I really started t odislike you when you were "Trolling" me towards the end of the day plus now you been wrong on TW and Vivax being scum with TW beign the a doctor and Vivax being VT. I know better than that as town.
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June 08 2017 18:17 GMT
#1883
If you are vig shoot into me HF or BH.
If you are a cop check into me HF or BH.
That way the game is solved easier for us.
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#1886
On June 09 2017 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote:
The really weird thing is that it's almost day 3 and I cannot remember any scumreads nor any pushes from Holyflare.

He pushed TW and Vivax.....
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June 08 2017 18:21 GMT
#1889
On June 09 2017 03:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 09 2017 03:19 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote:
The really weird thing is that it's almost day 3 and I cannot remember any scumreads nor any pushes from Holyflare.

He pushed TW and Vivax.....

The Vivax push doesn't count imho. D2 started with Vivax claiming cop and redcheck HF. HF was obliged to scumread Vivax.

He was pushing Vivax Day 1 well before the fake claim....
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#1892
On June 09 2017 03:22 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 09 2017 03:21 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:19 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote:
The really weird thing is that it's almost day 3 and I cannot remember any scumreads nor any pushes from Holyflare.

He pushed TW and Vivax.....

The Vivax push doesn't count imho. D2 started with Vivax claiming cop and redcheck HF. HF was obliged to scumread Vivax.

He was pushing Vivax Day 1 well before the fake claim....

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On June 09 2017 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote:
EBWOP

On June 09 2017 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote:
The really weird thing is that it's almost day 3 and I cannot remember any scumreads nor any pushes from Holyflare.

Of course not saying there aren't some (before angry HF jumps my throat) but I don't think HF every bothered actively pushing for someone in a memorizable way*

EBWOP, once again

Well I remembered just you not memorable for you I guess (shrugs).
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#1901
On June 09 2017 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 09 2017 03:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:02 Holyflare wrote:
On June 09 2017 01:57 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2017 01:16 Prison Break wrote:
EBWOP

(I'm basically asking you why you're townreading others over me)

At the time I didn't read your filter and I don't think you're scum. I still got HF still as a scum read Conversion some of his stuff comes off weird espcally his reaction to Vivax's lynch and tryign to defend himself for some reason about being on a team with you was impossible. If I wrong on any of my townreads maybe BH or Grack. Their fight seemed off idk from which side though.


But why am i ever your scum read? That's totally unexplained.

I explained it before?????? I really started t odislike you when you were "Trolling" me towards the end of the day plus now you been wrong on TW and Vivax being scum with TW beign the a doctor and Vivax being VT. I know better than that as town.


The dude fucking fake red checked me. Of course I'm going to lynch him.

And tw isn't gonna be the doctor.

Okay I will forgive you on the Vivax part but why are you very convinced that TW is not the doctor?????
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#1902
On June 09 2017 03:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Hmm you know what the worst part about Vivax flipping town is, is that now people will use this to claim RNG isn't good

It was never good when I played with you :o
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#1904
On June 09 2017 03:46 Blazinghand wrote:
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On June 09 2017 03:44 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Hmm you know what the worst part about Vivax flipping town is, is that now people will use this to claim RNG isn't good

It was never good when I played with you :o

Yeah see if Vivax had flipped scum I'd be able to rebut you super duper hard right here

I mean hit town more with your RNG when I played with you :o
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#1914
On June 09 2017 03:55 ritoky wrote:
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On June 09 2017 03:17 LightningStrike wrote:
If you are vig shoot into me HF or BH.
If you are a cop check into me HF or BH.
That way the game is solved easier for us.


interested in your justification for these

Me so that way I wont be a question mark.
BH because it will give us more information about Day 1.
HF so we know his alignment and can figure the game easier.
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#1915
On June 09 2017 04:04 Holyflare wrote:
Didn't someone say he did that as scum though? Where was that

Grack mentioned he went afk for a cycle as scum before idk which game he talking about honestly.
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#2115
Okay I finally back after doing some laddering on Pokemon TCG Online and I see BH got shot by scum from the sound of things and HF claimed Vig who didn't shoot yet. No wonder HF was calling TW mafia despite the claim. Kinda odd not to shoot someone Night 1 or Night 2 honestly especially I told you to shoot me HF so I wouldn't be a question mark :\ Well that means my townreads were terrible and should relook at them. No wonder HF was calling TW mafia despite the claim. Why not shoot Night 1 HF?
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#2116
Like I saw your reasoning for not shooting Night 2 just wondering why you didn't Night 1.
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#2117
TBH though my balance thoughts: I don't think Doc Vig is actually a balanced at all because The vig could be blocked or the scum shot would be blocked by the doctor which makes shooting as vig pretty much throwing darts hoping they not hit a target that getting saved or shot by scum,.
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#2120
On June 09 2017 09:54 Holyflare wrote:
Sample Setup:
1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon

The sample setup is theoretically what we have. Unless someone claims.

My shot was on you LS but then i cancelled it and shot no one to save a mislynch.

I sad you did canceled would of made the game easier on town Also I did note that but I don't think it's a balanced setup though for my listed reasons.
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#2122
On June 09 2017 09:53 Holyflare wrote:
Because we lose a mislynch.

Just did the math we would lose a mislynch like said I guess that's fair.
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#2123
On June 09 2017 09:57 Tumblewood wrote:
hmmmmm
everything lines up with hf being blue, except having a gf with no cop is a little weird. that could of course be one of those things they do to make the setup harder to figure out though

gf with no cop is stuff I seen other hosts do just to mind game town in a semi closed setup.
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#2132
On June 09 2017 11:14 Conversion wrote:
or is the setup Veteran/Doc/Vigi??

it's vig doc so far.
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#2146
On June 09 2017 11:43 ritoky wrote:
At work on break so I can't type much or go retrieve my crumbs from my filter, but BTDT & grack

Quick reasoning, my case on BTDT day 1 + he emo'd me and I didn't want to be fooled by it. Considered switching to grack or LS. Day 2 grack because obvious reasons.

Should of checked me damn it
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LightningStrike
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June 09 2017 02:57 GMT
#2147
So we got 3 blue claims TW, HF, and Ritoky.1 of them is definetly scum.
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June 09 2017 03:04 GMT
#2151
On June 09 2017 11:53 Conversion wrote:
okay ritoky is cop so now we have three claims in TW/ritoky/HF.

initial view is that I want to believe HF/ritoky are the correct claims and TW is a lazy, dodgy, I-fly-under-the-radar scum, but I should look into it more.

also what does crumb mean? does that mean leaving little clues in that your play is centered around your role, but not actually revealing it, helping you when you do blue claim down the line?

good to know that BTDT and Grack returned green. I really hope PB is just a town bickering with a town BTDT in that case, which leads to a TW/HF/ritoky-LS team at a small glance at my initial thoughts post before N2 ended.

That pretty much what a crumb is. I did try to draw the cop and or the vig on to me so I wouldn't be a question mark honestly.
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June 09 2017 03:05 GMT
#2152
On June 09 2017 12:00 Conversion wrote:
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On June 09 2017 03:17 LightningStrike wrote:
If you are vig shoot into me HF or BH.
If you are a cop check into me HF or BH.
That way the game is solved easier for us.


Here's the actual quote if you want it

Me so I wouldn't be a question mark
BH so we got better info about Day 1
HF so we know if he's town or not since he plays a strong scum game.
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June 09 2017 03:12 GMT
#2156
On June 09 2017 12:02 Conversion wrote:
also I think everyone sort of knows that 3 blue claims is probably 1 scum so do you have anything else to add? who are your top scum reads out of the 3 and who are the remaining two scum?

who are your strong town reads aside from BTDT and grack assuming they are confirmed town?

do you believe ritoky is fake claiming as a possibility? or HF? or TW? what's your opinion besides stating the obvious scenario

I pretty sure ritoky is not lying the question becomes HF or TW for me . Grack or me would of been checks for ritoky so it makes sense he did check Grack I just didn't want to be a question mark. HF has been going after TW even after the claim so it makes some sense but I would of figured he would of shot but he wasn't confident due to math. Which leaves TW which he was being lynched until he claimed but claimed to been roleblocked which could be faked.
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June 09 2017 03:13 GMT
#2157
On June 09 2017 12:06 Conversion wrote:
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On June 09 2017 12:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2017 12:00 Conversion wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:17 LightningStrike wrote:
If you are vig shoot into me HF or BH.
If you are a cop check into me HF or BH.
That way the game is solved easier for us.


Here's the actual quote if you want it

Me so I wouldn't be a question mark
BH so we got better info about Day 1
HF so we know if he's town or not since he plays a strong scum game.


ya but let's say the cop was BTDT and he had 5 question marks. why check you over any of the other 5?

He was having second thoughts on me I think? Just so he get a confirmed read right. At least I know PB was having second thoughts sort of about my alignment.
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June 09 2017 03:17 GMT
#2159
On June 09 2017 12:15 Conversion wrote:
really? I read through ritoky and it seems his play seems to sort of center around his checks.

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On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote:
i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb

fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.

reading LS mafia, what else is new for me.

btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.

tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.

grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.

BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.

onegu...flip a coin.


D1 read on BTDT, claims him as scum. once he is unsure because of the emotional play, he checks BTDT, and drops the entire case on BTDT and gives small town reads on him afterwards.

D2 ritoky argues with Grack, finds him suspicious, checks him.

claims D3, confirmed cop.

either he's mindfucking me and set this up since D1 with scum, or he's actually cop. I'm inclined to believe he's more cop than HF/TW lying about their claim.

TW who did you try to save N2 and did you get RB'd?

There was this post I think might of been him bread crumbing he was blue in the first place:
On June 06 2017 13:03 ritoky wrote:
vivax are you actually claiming for realsies? like never back down never surrender claiming? cuz i am kinda over people fake claiming and softing

He did something similar in I'm the Cop you Idiot Town's Revenge where he was the doctor trying to see if someone was really claiming or not.
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June 09 2017 03:21 GMT
#2165
On June 09 2017 12:19 Conversion wrote:
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On June 09 2017 12:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2017 12:06 Conversion wrote:
On June 09 2017 12:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2017 12:00 Conversion wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:17 LightningStrike wrote:
If you are vig shoot into me HF or BH.
If you are a cop check into me HF or BH.
That way the game is solved easier for us.


Here's the actual quote if you want it

Me so I wouldn't be a question mark
BH so we got better info about Day 1
HF so we know if he's town or not since he plays a strong scum game.


ya but let's say the cop was BTDT and he had 5 question marks. why check you over any of the other 5?

He was having second thoughts on me I think? Just so he get a confirmed read right. At least I know PB was having second thoughts sort of about my alignment.


I mean on the flip side, he could be confident that you're mafia and is trying to figure out the second one, so he reads grack. grack turns out to be town, now he's sure you're teamed with mafia and possible +1. He's looking to see if there is any way his claim can make a possible scum realm within blue claims, so maybe he waits a little bit (or he's busy, seems like he's a busy person). he sees HF claims vigi, ritoky sees this and claims cop, mafia team is you-TW, checkmate mafia?

that might have been his thought process when making that play. so what makes you not mafia? like no offense you have 11 pages of filter and I'm not seeing you doing anything


I did try to do stuff but then got it shut down and I more of a sheeper anyways as town. Also I do see your point he could of done that but he could of also tried to make sure his read is correct first before doing. He could of done either action.
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June 09 2017 03:23 GMT
#2166
On June 09 2017 12:20 Prison Break wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 12:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2017 12:06 Conversion wrote:
On June 09 2017 12:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2017 12:00 Conversion wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:17 LightningStrike wrote:
If you are vig shoot into me HF or BH.
If you are a cop check into me HF or BH.
That way the game is solved easier for us.


Here's the actual quote if you want it

Me so I wouldn't be a question mark
BH so we got better info about Day 1
HF so we know if he's town or not since he plays a strong scum game.


ya but let's say the cop was BTDT and he had 5 question marks. why check you over any of the other 5?

He was having second thoughts on me I think? Just so he get a confirmed read right. At least I know PB was having second thoughts sort of about my alignment.


more as in "idk who's scum"

anyway I think HF looks good because when he retracted his blue claim I immediately thought he was still blue and just retracted it to dodge a nightkill

hard to believe everyone wanted TW dead and then switched to fidei lol, so I'll look into ritoky first

but we also have to look into the order in which the claims happened etc.

Out of the blues that claimed TW first then HF then ritoky.
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June 09 2017 03:32 GMT
#2173
On June 09 2017 12:28 Prison Break wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 12:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2017 12:20 Prison Break wrote:
On June 09 2017 12:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2017 12:06 Conversion wrote:
On June 09 2017 12:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2017 12:00 Conversion wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:17 LightningStrike wrote:
If you are vig shoot into me HF or BH.
If you are a cop check into me HF or BH.
That way the game is solved easier for us.


Here's the actual quote if you want it

Me so I wouldn't be a question mark
BH so we got better info about Day 1
HF so we know if he's town or not since he plays a strong scum game.


ya but let's say the cop was BTDT and he had 5 question marks. why check you over any of the other 5?

He was having second thoughts on me I think? Just so he get a confirmed read right. At least I know PB was having second thoughts sort of about my alignment.


more as in "idk who's scum"

anyway I think HF looks good because when he retracted his blue claim I immediately thought he was still blue and just retracted it to dodge a nightkill

hard to believe everyone wanted TW dead and then switched to fidei lol, so I'll look into ritoky first

but we also have to look into the order in which the claims happened etc.

Out of the blues that claimed TW first then HF then ritoky.


yes, but I mean looking at if the order gives us a better read on them. why would they do this as mafia:

TW claimed cause he was about to get lynched that day so his timing isn't giving towncreds

HF claimed for seemingly no real reason, and I keep thinking how the vivax redcheck on HF couldn't have been staged by HF so if HF is mafia it's not cause he set it up, but purely coincidence

Why does ritoky claim as mafia, did he have pressure? or does he think he can get both HF and TW killed? (not ruling that possibility out)


I honestly thinking TW is faked due to that plus how HF did hint about being blue with how he was kept saying that TW wasn't the doctor and shit.
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June 09 2017 16:56 GMT
#2248
On June 10 2017 01:31 Holyflare wrote:
Also in so far as tw claiming rb all game, if he's the fake doc they could be paranoid of a vet and rb every person they kill and he just claims it.

I was thinking that too honestly. I remember in my first newbie game Superbia who was scum kept claiming to be roleblocked all game long because they roleblocked their night kills if I remember correctly.
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June 09 2017 18:36 GMT
#2256
On June 10 2017 03:20 Grackaroni wrote:
Of all the scum games I saw one cop claim from him in imperial mafia but you weren't in that game.

I remember that game because I was shadowing Palmar. God damn sicklucker with that fake cop claim as town :\
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June 09 2017 18:41 GMT
#2258
Also Imperial I think had the most pages of a single mafia game if I remember correctly.
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June 09 2017 19:23 GMT
#2275
On June 10 2017 03:47 ritoky wrote:
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On June 10 2017 03:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Imperial I think had the most pages of a single mafia game if I remember correctly.


LS, i am interested in who you think is mafia outside the claims?

From my PoV it's one of Covnersion, PB, and Tubesock by PoE alone. PB seems likely town by meta. So that leaves Conversion and Tubesock as my last scum there. Tubesock did vote 2nd on James but if TW was the roleblocker he probably would do that bus honestly. Conversion I liked some of his posts after I read his filter a bit but his weird reaction to the flip seems odd defending himself about being a team with PB. So ya One of Tubesock and Conversion is my last scum you?
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June 09 2017 19:25 GMT
#2276
On June 10 2017 04:12 Holyflare wrote:
I think tw might be rber

I didn't see this post until I just posted my potential scum list lmao.
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June 09 2017 19:26 GMT
#2277
On June 10 2017 04:07 kitaman27 wrote:
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On June 10 2017 03:52 ritoky wrote:
On June 10 2017 03:44 Holyflare wrote:
On June 10 2017 03:37 ritoky wrote:
I don't fully think I understand UK politics. So is Theresa May going to stay PM or just interim through Brexit Negotiations? And why isn't the Northern Ireland party basically holding the government ransom for a huge cut of the pie? (that's how us obstructionist Americans do it)


The conservatives don't have a majority in the house of commons to do anything so in order to maintain the majority of 326(i think?) seats they have to form a coalition with another party. The other parties with seats are all left/centre parties and so won't agree.

The DUP (homophobic/abti abortion/creationist Irish nuts) are the only ones willing to do so and they will absolutely be demanding a lot of their policies will be shoved through. Bear in mind they won't be able to do anything of their wishes if they didn't form this coalition either.

Theresa May will remain PM but she lost so much of her party power that people are calling for her to resign because she basically called an election to get more power and ended up with almost no power.

I'm happy London almost unanimously voted Labour and saw sense. The rest of the country are a bunch of degenerate cockwombles though.

I don't think Theresa May will remain PM for very long, she'll probably resign within the week.


I feel like there's tons of intricate things here that I probably should know, but why would she resign? I know she doesn't have the public mandate she was looking for, but for all intents and purposes isn't she still the leader of the majority party? Why would you willingly abdicate power? Or did she lose key members who supported her in the election turnover or? And is there a better conservative alternative? From what I read the next guy up is a douche canoe.


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I can't understand why it's so difficult for the Brits to realize that Lord Buckethead is the only politician (and intergalactic overlord) that truly represents the interests of the common folk.

Why the host is talking about politics in the game thread rolf.
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June 09 2017 19:27 GMT
#2278
On June 10 2017 04:25 LightningStrike wrote:
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On June 10 2017 04:12 Holyflare wrote:
I think tw might be rber

I didn't see this post until I just posted my potential scum list lmao.

But to be real though it would explain why they would switch to James over lynching TW.
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June 09 2017 19:37 GMT
#2281
PB we both got Tubesock as PoE scum and I know you got doubts of my alignment but no worries HF should just shoot me if TW flips roleblocker and we would win the game from there.
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June 09 2017 19:39 GMT
#2283
On June 10 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
And his switch was very carefree I liked it a lot

Switching from roleblocker to GF would better than losing the roleblocker to be fair there since the roleblocker could still block cop checks and your shot too.
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June 09 2017 19:42 GMT
#2284
On June 10 2017 04:37 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2017 03:47 ritoky wrote:
On June 10 2017 03:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Imperial I think had the most pages of a single mafia game if I remember correctly.


LS, i am interested in who you think is mafia outside the claims?

From my PoV it's one of Covnersion, PB, and Tubesock by PoE alone. PB seems likely town by meta. So that leaves Conversion and Tubesock as my last scum there. Tubesock did vote 2nd on James but if TW was the roleblocker he probably would do that bus honestly. Conversion I liked some of his posts after I read his filter a bit but his weird reaction to the flip seems odd defending himself about being a team with PB. So ya One of Tubesock and Conversion is my last scum you?


I think figuring out you is the key for me to solve the game. So walk me through your read on me and HF respectively, since from what I can gather your TW read is entirely "he's un-cc'd blue" with no further interaction.

For me you read me town for examining a past game's filter, then I called you mafia, and you seemingly wavered, then you didn't interact with me forever, and then you said mine was the most believable claim. Is there more depth to it, and what makes mine the most believable?

Then explain your hf read over the course of the game, because in your filter you speak a disproportionate amount to hf compared to anyone else in the game, but I never got the sense you committed to a solid read whether that be out of paranoia or?

Part of my HF read was paranoia especially Day 1 and ritoky did called me out on that and moved him to null. Didn't like his trolling to me towards EoD 2. Now I think his attacking TW's doc claim since Day 1 lines up with him actually being blue.
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June 09 2017 19:45 GMT
#2287
On June 10 2017 04:42 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 10 2017 04:39 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
And his switch was very carefree I liked it a lot

Switching from roleblocker to GF would better than losing the roleblocker to be fair there since the roleblocker could still block cop checks and your shot too.


No it looked natural

I guess? Let me recheck his switch to James EoD 1.
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June 09 2017 19:49 GMT
#2289
On June 10 2017 04:45 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2017 04:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2017 04:37 ritoky wrote:
On June 10 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2017 03:47 ritoky wrote:
On June 10 2017 03:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Imperial I think had the most pages of a single mafia game if I remember correctly.


LS, i am interested in who you think is mafia outside the claims?

From my PoV it's one of Covnersion, PB, and Tubesock by PoE alone. PB seems likely town by meta. So that leaves Conversion and Tubesock as my last scum there. Tubesock did vote 2nd on James but if TW was the roleblocker he probably would do that bus honestly. Conversion I liked some of his posts after I read his filter a bit but his weird reaction to the flip seems odd defending himself about being a team with PB. So ya One of Tubesock and Conversion is my last scum you?


I think figuring out you is the key for me to solve the game. So walk me through your read on me and HF respectively, since from what I can gather your TW read is entirely "he's un-cc'd blue" with no further interaction.

For me you read me town for examining a past game's filter, then I called you mafia, and you seemingly wavered, then you didn't interact with me forever, and then you said mine was the most believable claim. Is there more depth to it, and what makes mine the most believable?

Then explain your hf read over the course of the game, because in your filter you speak a disproportionate amount to hf compared to anyone else in the game, but I never got the sense you committed to a solid read whether that be out of paranoia or?

Part of my HF read was paranoia especially Day 1 and ritoky did called me out on that and moved him to null. Didn't like his trolling to me towards EoD 2. Now I think his attacking TW's doc claim since Day 1 lines up with him actually being blue.


what specifically made my claim most believable?

I found one of your bread crumbs to be very similar to how you treated malongo in I'm the Cop You Idiot Town Revenge trying to force him to hard claim his role and plus your checks make sense although i wish you checked me Night 1. Plus I found you pretty townie too before the claim anyways.
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June 09 2017 19:51 GMT
#2290
This was the post where I did find one of your breadcrumbs ritoky:
On June 09 2017 12:17 LightningStrike wrote:
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On June 09 2017 12:15 Conversion wrote:
really? I read through ritoky and it seems his play seems to sort of center around his checks.

On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote:
i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb

fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.

reading LS mafia, what else is new for me.

btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.

tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.

grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.

BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.

onegu...flip a coin.


D1 read on BTDT, claims him as scum. once he is unsure because of the emotional play, he checks BTDT, and drops the entire case on BTDT and gives small town reads on him afterwards.

D2 ritoky argues with Grack, finds him suspicious, checks him.

claims D3, confirmed cop.

either he's mindfucking me and set this up since D1 with scum, or he's actually cop. I'm inclined to believe he's more cop than HF/TW lying about their claim.

TW who did you try to save N2 and did you get RB'd?

There was this post I think might of been him bread crumbing he was blue in the first place:
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On June 06 2017 13:03 ritoky wrote:
vivax are you actually claiming for realsies? like never back down never surrender claiming? cuz i am kinda over people fake claiming and softing

He did something similar in I'm the Cop you Idiot Town's Revenge where he was the doctor trying to see if someone was really claiming or not.

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June 09 2017 19:58 GMT
#2293
On June 10 2017 04:54 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2017 03:47 ritoky wrote:
On June 10 2017 03:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Imperial I think had the most pages of a single mafia game if I remember correctly.


LS, i am interested in who you think is mafia outside the claims?

From my PoV it's one of Covnersion, PB, and Tubesock by PoE alone. PB seems likely town by meta. So that leaves Conversion and Tubesock as my last scum there. Tubesock did vote 2nd on James but if TW was the roleblocker he probably would do that bus honestly. Conversion I liked some of his posts after I read his filter a bit but his weird reaction to the flip seems odd defending himself about being a team with PB. So ya One of Tubesock and Conversion is my last scum you?


are you seriously calling me possible scum in a post I made during D2 in reply to BTDT saying I was a scum team with PB?

can you make a better case than that?

You and Tubesock are only PoE scum at this point because I townreading PB after everything..
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June 09 2017 19:59 GMT
#2294
On June 10 2017 04:53 Holyflare wrote:
Ls what makes my claim believable instead of a mafia strategy?

It seems very genuine espcally how you kept telling me he not the doctor over and over again and I kept telling you he was UnCCed. Plus if TW flips doctor you are scum so there's that from my PoV.
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June 09 2017 20:00 GMT
#2297
On June 10 2017 04:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2017 04:54 Conversion wrote:
On June 10 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2017 03:47 ritoky wrote:
On June 10 2017 03:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Imperial I think had the most pages of a single mafia game if I remember correctly.


LS, i am interested in who you think is mafia outside the claims?

From my PoV it's one of Covnersion, PB, and Tubesock by PoE alone. PB seems likely town by meta. So that leaves Conversion and Tubesock as my last scum there. Tubesock did vote 2nd on James but if TW was the roleblocker he probably would do that bus honestly. Conversion I liked some of his posts after I read his filter a bit but his weird reaction to the flip seems odd defending himself about being a team with PB. So ya One of Tubesock and Conversion is my last scum you?


are you seriously calling me possible scum in a post I made during D2 in reply to BTDT saying I was a scum team with PB?

can you make a better case than that?

You and Tubesock are only PoE scum at this point because I townreading PB after everything I had said about his meta which HF does support as well..

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June 09 2017 20:01 GMT
#2298
On June 10 2017 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
If he flips doctor why am I mafia?

because I find ritoky's claim the most believable one out of you three given my experience with playing with his blue in Town's Revenge.
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June 09 2017 20:04 GMT
#2300
On June 10 2017 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
You're mafia you used meta.

How does using meta make me scum? You used meta too on PB so what makes mine different?
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#2302
BTW ritoky's doctor filter from Town's Revenge: http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/mafia/518289-im-a-cop-you-idiot-mafia-towns-revenge?user=ritoky
This was when he revealed his bread crumbs:
On February 14 2017 07:30 ritoky wrote:
ritoky blatantly talking about optimal save strategies in thread:

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On February 11 2017 06:02 ritoky wrote:
On February 11 2017 00:59 Palmar wrote:
Nice, new page good time to post optimal play guides:

@Doc: Do not claim your role until lylo (don't claim in mylo). I'm going to assume Malongo is a troll, not a retard. If he is genuinely doc and mafia believes him, he basically reduced our chance of winning from super likely to very unlikely.

Also @Doc, tread carefully with wifom. TL players are retarded and like to go for homeruns. I know it's going to be tempting to not protect me (or LS, if you're bad at life) tonight, but you really, really should protect me. It's optimal play for mafia to shoot into the 4 people that might be doc (aka, not me or the 2 scummers), because they should be assuming that I'm protected, which is the reason I claimed in the first place.

Yes, if you play optimally, your protection is "wasted" because mafia will shoot into town, BUT, I've seen mafia go for broke often in this setup (basically gamble the doc will try a big play, and just straight up shoot the cop). I am going to super mad if I die tonight.


I think there's an argument to be made that once the cop is CC'd protecting either is not the optimal play because mafia shooting either results in a 1 for 1 trade of cop for mafia which in this setup seems fine for town. It also keeps the doctor save "live" in the event that mafia doesn't want to shoot into the cop and trade, which optimally they won't do because it is a net loss.

But I suppose arguing optimal play semantics is not really for this thread.


ritoky thinking he softed too hard and is gonna die:

Show nested quote +
On February 11 2017 06:57 ritoky wrote:
was nice playing with you guys for a little bit again. i fully expect to die in 3 mins.




ritoky reacting to Malongo's claim:

Show nested quote +
On February 11 2017 08:16 ritoky wrote:
On February 11 2017 07:56 Damdred wrote:
On February 11 2017 07:51 ritoky wrote:
Also LS, why is rels a higher priority check for you than Damdred, when they essentially made the same read on you?


I like this question. Like ls usually you like to have me confirmed at any point as you Wifom your way into he'll on me half the time.But it doesn't matter I'll be confirmed town soon anyway.

@LS and Rit what do you think of the doctor claim and the way he went about it?

That question for everyone who wants to answer.


i don't think he's the doctor. if i had to hazard a guess i think he is vt being a bonehead trying to do some kind of convoluted play that does more harm than good.

if he comes in an says "yo i am doctor, never rescinding, never back down" in his next posts, then i think he is mafia on the grounds he claims doctor and save target instantly and then turns around and calls LS scum cuz dumb/bad. at that point i just have to assume his level of hypocrisy and poor play makes him mafia.


ritoky pushing for Mal to hard claim so he can cc:

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On February 11 2017 10:10 ritoky wrote:
On February 11 2017 10:01 Malongo wrote:
On February 11 2017 09:48 ritoky wrote:
k, so it is damdred or malongo. malongo, you claiming doctor and never rescinding?

Theres no reason to confirm/deny at this point.

Still reading the thread, I really hate that somehow both DTs checked rels.


Why not? Palmar and LS are binary, rels is confirmed green, I am never mafia. If you have a way to confirm yourself as town through claim then damdred becomes confirmed mafia who we can immediately lynch.


we good here? we good.

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#2303
On June 10 2017 05:05 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 04 2017 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
Calling someone inconsistent when they're inconsistent is a mafia trait yo.

Ls I'm calling you out this game. If you're town I want you to play it without using a single meta link. I'm gonna make you evolve.


I showed I could play without meta Jesus Christ man...... Why not shoot you like I told you to idiot?
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#2304
I don't even care just shoot me next night I can't be bothered with you going to keep calling me scum just because I used meta.
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#2306
LIKE FUCKING SHOOT ME NEXT NIGHT HF I FUCKING TOLD YOU TO SHOOT ME LAST NIGHT PHASE.................
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#2309
Going to jsut afk vote TW I done with game.
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#2314
On June 10 2017 05:15 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen LS rage and say fuck as town

STEP ON A LEGO YOU FAGGOT
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#2325
On June 10 2017 05:17 Holyflare wrote:
LS link me some meta where you rage quit as town?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/505463-tl-mafia-lxxiv-storm-mafia-3?user=LightningStrike&page=25
Last post for the game................
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#2439
You know what I very sorry HF about lashing out like that I just been in a terrible mood because of OGI reasons at the time. I calmed down now after playing some Pokemon TCGO and watching tv. Willing to help now:
On June 10 2017 06:01 Prison Break wrote:
LS how certain are you that I'm town?

95% unless you improved your scum game from last time which I don't think you could improve your scum game leaps and bound that much in 1 game.
Also yes I did insult you in my last game vs you HF but I was mainly insulting your law school more or less as scum trying to tilt you.
Anyways HF why you decided you need to die now instead of just lynching TW?
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#2442
On June 10 2017 10:19 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2017 10:14 LightningStrike wrote:
You know what I very sorry HF about lashing out like that I just been in a terrible mood because of OGI reasons at the time. I calmed down now after playing some Pokemon TCGO and watching tv. Willing to help now:
On June 10 2017 06:01 Prison Break wrote:
LS how certain are you that I'm town?

95% unless you improved your scum game from last time which I don't think you could improve your scum game leaps and bound that much in 1 game.
Also yes I did insult you in my last game vs you HF but I was mainly insulting your law school more or less as scum trying to tilt you.
Anyways HF why you decided you need to die now instead of just lynching TW?


Ibonly want to die so tw dies with fiery vengeance.

I guess but it would be better if we just lynch TW here and now honestly.
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#2446
On June 10 2017 10:23 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2017 10:20 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2017 10:19 Holyflare wrote:
On June 10 2017 10:14 LightningStrike wrote:
You know what I very sorry HF about lashing out like that I just been in a terrible mood because of OGI reasons at the time. I calmed down now after playing some Pokemon TCGO and watching tv. Willing to help now:
On June 10 2017 06:01 Prison Break wrote:
LS how certain are you that I'm town?

95% unless you improved your scum game from last time which I don't think you could improve your scum game leaps and bound that much in 1 game.
Also yes I did insult you in my last game vs you HF but I was mainly insulting your law school more or less as scum trying to tilt you.
Anyways HF why you decided you need to die now instead of just lynching TW?


Ibonly want to die so tw dies with fiery vengeance.

I guess but it would be better if we just lynch TW here and now honestly.


Do it. I think you're town so sorry for trolling you.

Meh I over react all the time :\ Doesn't help I can't tell the difference >.>
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#2480
On June 10 2017 11:34 Holyflare wrote:
Ritoky makes a case on LS being mafia, says his vote on LS was mafia, links all of LS's posts to fidei and says he's mafia, makes a case on Grack from onegu's comment and says we should lynch grack right at the end of n1. All of these posts are n1. His btdt read is:

Show nested quote +
btdt played the emo card on me and i am hard pressed to get over that. i think his filter and play isn't particularly townie, but he played the emo card....


But he checks btdt over two STRONG scum reads.


Even with this I still am pretty sure you're the mafia.

To be fair on ritoky he did check Grack night 2 who he was tunneled on. But ya I would think he would of checked me night 1 as well.
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#2486
On June 10 2017 11:41 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2017 11:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2017 11:34 Holyflare wrote:
Ritoky makes a case on LS being mafia, says his vote on LS was mafia, links all of LS's posts to fidei and says he's mafia, makes a case on Grack from onegu's comment and says we should lynch grack right at the end of n1. All of these posts are n1. His btdt read is:

btdt played the emo card on me and i am hard pressed to get over that. i think his filter and play isn't particularly townie, but he played the emo card....


But he checks btdt over two STRONG scum reads.


Even with this I still am pretty sure you're the mafia.

To be fair on ritoky he did check Grack night 2 who he was tunneled on. But ya I would think he would of checked me night 1 as well.


If you're making a cop play of course you're going to say you checked the guy you're tunneled on? He leaves you as a mislynch because you're very lynchable.

True didn't think of that honestly.
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#2593
On June 11 2017 06:06 Holyflare wrote:
Grack ninja vote alert.

But Grack was green checked he could do what he wants :o
Anyways this is the end game when TW flips scum:
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#2596
On June 11 2017 06:12 Grackaroni wrote:
Those are pretty crappy crumbs to be honest. Telling me that I'm barking up the wrong tree was supposed to signal that you're blue?

I didn't gain all that much from the TW/HF arguments. I do think that HF has picked up his game in this one compared to the last one.

I wouldn't be opposed to lynching into Lightningstrike/Tubesock if people get cold feet on lynching a blue claim, since mafia will probably kill off one of the claims narrowing our odds tomorrow.

Well I was trying to tell the blues to get on me ie the potential cop or vig night 2 :o
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#2699
Just got home and I see TW actually flipped doctor and ritoky just claimed scum while HF recides his claim. WTF is this game.....
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#2789
Just got back home from lunch after waking up at 11:00 am CST:
On June 12 2017 03:29 Conversion wrote:
yo LS whenever you're around can I get some thoughts on the situation and how we should approach our D4 lynch?

I think you're town but you not being here is not helping me or anyone that's town

We lynch ritoky first but while lynching him we do need to figure out the last scum between you and btdt. If we got a cop should check btdt. If we got a vig they should shoot btdt I think that will solve the game for us from that point.
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#2791
On June 12 2017 03:41 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2017 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got back home from lunch after waking up at 11:00 am CST:
On June 12 2017 03:29 Conversion wrote:
yo LS whenever you're around can I get some thoughts on the situation and how we should approach our D4 lynch?

I think you're town but you not being here is not helping me or anyone that's town

We lynch ritoky first but while lynching him we do need to figure out the last scum between you and btdt. If we got a cop should check btdt. If we got a vig they should shoot btdt I think that will solve the game for us from that point.


I'm tempted to just wagon myself and have myself lynched and flip town so BTDT can look stupid on D4 because he seems to lack any sort of skill to build up a case on anyone besides the person replying to him

Like I said we just need to have a cop check or a shot on btdt so we could win the game most likely. I think it it will pretty easy from this point.
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#2793
On June 12 2017 03:45 Conversion wrote:
I'm going to pitch a question I'm trying to think of myself, LS, if you don't mind.

anyone else here can answer as well:

what do you think, if ritoky is Mafia, that the chances are with ritoky setting me up for a mislynch (and anyone else on his "auto list") with him reading me as town and BTDT pushing me as hard, albeit feebly, as he is this night and next day?

like I'm actually seeing no effort from BTDT except him yelling at me saying I'm inactive and I'm not making contributions, while his filter is all just lots of shit thrown everywhere and hoping it sticks to a wall, so not sure how that's any sort of case built on me.

the only thing that's bugging me is would ritoky actually include his own scummate in his auto list AND his cop check list?

Same chances as him trying to setup a mislynch on me because I was his biggest scumread Night 1 yet he didn't "Check" me. So that being said it's very possible he was setting up a mislynch on you if you are town.
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#2815
On June 12 2017 04:44 Holyflare wrote:
Whatever I'll just shoot btdt. Still scum reading everyone.

Wait I thought you unclaimed?
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#2859
HF flipped blue ritoky is confirmed scum :D We are lynching ritoky this day phase. We still need to figure out his partner.
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#2860
On June 12 2017 09:29 Prison Break wrote:
yea you die today

what PR's can scum even have? framer/rb are useless now

rb obviously but most likely a goon.
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#2874
6-2
5-2 if btdt is town
4-2
vs
6-2
6-1
5-1
4-1
3-1
2-1
So essentially we gain a mislynch if I did my math correctly if we lynch ritoky who is scum. I rather do the best play and lynch a guaranteed scum in ritoky and yes I understand you concerns about a auto lynch but let's be real: it might be a auto lynch with btdt too.
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#2875
On June 12 2017 22:21 LightningStrike wrote:
6-2
5-2 if btdt is town
4-2
4-1
3-1 MYLO
vs
6-2
6-1
5-1
4-1
3-1
2-1 LYLO
So essentially we gain a mislynch if I did my math correctly if we lynch ritoky who is scum. I rather do the best play and lynch a guaranteed scum in ritoky and yes I understand you concerns about a auto lynch but let's be real: it might be a auto lynch with btdt too.

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#2877
On June 12 2017 22:29 Tubesock wrote:
We have Conversion, Prisonbreak, Tube, beentheredonethat, LightningStrike, Grackaroni, Ritoky. 7 total, 2 are mafia. So it's 5-2 now. 4-2 if btdt flips town, 4-1 if we kill Ritoky.

Crap I messed up my math somehow
5-2
4-2
3-2
3-1
2-1
vs
5-2
5-1
4-1
3-1
2-1
I guess we don't exactly lose a mislynch on second looks?
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#2880
On June 12 2017 22:56 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2017 22:36 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 12 2017 22:29 Tubesock wrote:
We have Conversion, Prisonbreak, Tube, beentheredonethat, LightningStrike, Grackaroni, Ritoky. 7 total, 2 are mafia. So it's 5-2 now. 4-2 if btdt flips town, 4-1 if we kill Ritoky.

Crap I messed up my math somehow
5-2
4-2
3-2
3-1
2-1
vs
5-2
5-1
4-1
3-1
2-1
I guess we don't exactly lose a mislynch on second looks?


So you're on board?

Who would you lynch and why por favor?

ritoky just so we get the for sure scum out of the way while looking at connections from ritoky and james to any of the players.
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#2881
Day One Final Vote Count

Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood, Tubesock, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, LightningStrike, Holyflare
Tumblewood (2): Holyflare, Fidei86, Holyflare, ritoky, beentheredonethat, Tubesock, LightningStrike, Vivax
Prison Break (2): Conversion, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, Vivax
beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, ritoky, Tubesock
Vivax (1): Blazinghand, Holyflare, Tubesock, Blazinghand
LightningStrike (1): Tumblewood, Holyflare, ritoky
Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni, Tubesock, Vivax, Vivax
Grackaroni (0): Blazinghand
Holyflare (0): LightningStrike, Vivax, Tumblewood, LightningStrike
Conversion (0): beentheredonethat

Fidei86 the Mafia Godfather has been lynched.
So this vote count I pretty much right about scum had no control of the lynch seeing that ritoky only appeared EoD and James was afk. Tubesock is cleared I think for being the 2nd one on the wagon. I know I am town and I think Grack is town too therefore I think the wagon is pure on James. So that again leaves PB, Conversion, and BTDT which would seem to lead to BTDT more than PB and Conversion from what I looked at James filter and ritoky's filter.
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#2900
On June 13 2017 06:23 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2017 23:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Day One Final Vote Count

Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood, Tubesock, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, LightningStrike, Holyflare
Tumblewood (2): Holyflare, Fidei86, Holyflare, ritoky, beentheredonethat, Tubesock, LightningStrike, Vivax
Prison Break (2): Conversion, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, Vivax
beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, ritoky, Tubesock
Vivax (1): Blazinghand, Holyflare, Tubesock, Blazinghand
LightningStrike (1): Tumblewood, Holyflare, ritoky
Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni, Tubesock, Vivax, Vivax
Grackaroni (0): Blazinghand
Holyflare (0): LightningStrike, Vivax, Tumblewood, LightningStrike
Conversion (0): beentheredonethat

Fidei86 the Mafia Godfather has been lynched.
So this vote count I pretty much right about scum had no control of the lynch seeing that ritoky only appeared EoD and James was afk. Tubesock is cleared I think for being the 2nd one on the wagon. I know I am town and I think Grack is town too therefore I think the wagon is pure on James. So that again leaves PB, Conversion, and BTDT which would seem to lead to BTDT more than PB and Conversion from what I looked at James filter and ritoky's filter.

What in James' filter and Ritoky's filter lead you to BTDT?

The weird interaction between Ritoky and BTDT that I think PB pointed out here:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2017 07:32 ritoky wrote:
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On June 04 2017 07:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner

yes I'm going to bed now

no I'm not scum


i mean....if i am wrong, then how does shit like this help me get from where i am to being right? the game is like 6 pages total....w/e

annoyed.

On June 05 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
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On June 04 2017 23:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 04 2017 03:53 ritoky wrote:
the person i think is most mafia right now is probably BTDT. i think his reads are cheap and hollow.

he defends TW for missing a joke "full frontal" (w/e the shit that means); when from my experience lacking a sense of humor is more mafia indicative than town.

he defends grack from vivax because of last game? he doesn't disagree with vivax that what grack is doing isn't more scum indicative, he just says "don't call him mafia cuz he said terrible things last game too". read as mafia trying to pocket/protect weak town a bit.

he prods the new player, which is easy for anyone to do.

he calls out PB for sounding wishy-washy....but that makes no sense to me. he has a read on TW and grack from previous games, but not on PB. in the previous game PB was incredibly definitive and made tons of sense pretty much all game long. in this game PB sounds more unsure and makes less sense. it makes me think PB is more likely town, so why does PB sounding dissimilar to last game make him think PB is the same alignment as last game?

dunno....pretty much don't like anything of what he has posted.


PBs reads at that point are wishy-washy, ritoky, and if you call that a solid read, then you're misrepresenting things.

If there are more questions towards me coming from that case, feel free to ask, I'm here.



Yes, his reads were wishy-washy at that point, I agree with you. That's my point. My point is that his reads in the previous game were basically never wishy-washy, they were always definitive. So if he is playing the opposite or different from his previous game, then why are you assuming he is the same alignment as the previous game?

On June 06 2017 04:03 ritoky wrote:
looking outside the ppl who voted mafia:

i think PB's post about his reaction to the lynch is pretty similar to mine, although him never delivering on his promised reads is meh. he came to the same conclusion i did about the 3 people i think are town because of the lynch and he looks toward the same spot i do for the mafia on the wagon (grack + ls). but when he starts saying things that make tons of sense to me, it's kinda the opposite of why i had him town leaned earlier.

btdt played the emo card on me and i am hard pressed to get over that. i think his filter and play isn't particularly townie, but he played the emo card....

conv is certainly not particularly useful at the moment, but i don't get the sense that he is malicious or mafia. i told him "stop doing this and give me reads." and then he immediately produced reads that seemed genuine; so i have a difficult time thinking he's mafia.

then vivax....i guess vivax COULD be mafia? but then i been pretty wrong this game. but doesn't vivax just see the runaway train and bus his partner for the nickle or dime's worth of credit he would get? i would have.

ritoky interactions with ritoky seemed awkward to each other and the way ritoky tried to read btdt seemed off.
From James filter:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2017 19:58 Fidei86 wrote:
Conversion: my reasoning was simple. You thread entered, and then having not posted anything for half a day or so you came back with a long and clearly typed post (#159) (i.e. not just something you bashed out on a mobile) that didn't give any reads and just apologised. At the time I made the post I don't think you had made any game relevant posts. So that is why I said I wasn't going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Obviously there's been a lot of development since I went to bed, and I quite like the indignant but also slightly confused tone of your subsequent posts. Also #200 you say you're "glad Vivax and Grace read you as town". As a new player I'm onboard for that being a genuine dumbtell. TR.

BH is massively overplaying the Grack read. And in fact, BH hasn't done anything outside of his RNG/Grack read. I had the same reaction as Grack did to the onslaught ("wtf?"). Maybe BH is going for the old Chezinu play? But I don't see how that helps as town, particularly in a newbie game. Grack's reads are thin, and I don't like how he seems to soft TW at #249 without pushing it. So I end up where I think they are scummy. Doubt they're scum together, although the amount of shitting up the thread they've achieved could easily part of a plan.

Vivax is pretty town - his post at #181 hit some people multiple times, which is indicative of someone not trying to build a narrative.

I like ritoky's interactions with Conversion - trying to push Conversion to carry on and give reads. (This is something else I liked about Vivax re 187, where he prods BTDT after earlier null reading/asking for more info).

TW continues to be underwhelming. His BH read is garbage, and he now has Tube and Grack as his top towns? Over Vivax? I also think his general tone in the thread has been unhelpful (see #270, #272).

So right now I'm at:

Town:
Vivax
Ritoky

Lean Town:
Conversion
LS (ehhhhhhhhhhhh)
BTDT

Null:

Onegu: one massive WOT isn't enough to get you off, and you're tunnelled on me per usual, but nothing in your reads gave any red lights
PB
Tube

Scummy;
BH
Grack
HF
TW

Right now I'm leaning towards TW, and I would rather lynch BH/Grack over HF.

That read's post as well as several posts in his filter seemed weird around bdt. note that ritoky was townread by James while his scumreads are town for the most part. Kinda points to btdt or Conversion more or less but with both of them combined it looks like btdt more Conversion for me.
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#2901
On June 13 2017 07:24 ritoky wrote:
you guys should totally split the vote and let me hammer, it's a great idea.

also your mechanics are all wrong about justifying why you shouldn't lynch me, but hey what the shit do i care.

you guys want my check for today? i didn't get roleblocked! kitaman

I KNEW IT ALL ALONG!

To bad we know your claim is fake
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LightningStrike
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June 12 2017 22:45 GMT
#2906
On June 13 2017 07:27 ritoky wrote:
seriously though, you're all so dour. enjoy life! have some fun solving the game. unclencheth thy buttocks.

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LightningStrike
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June 12 2017 22:46 GMT
#2907
On June 13 2017 07:26 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2017 07:25 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 13 2017 07:24 ritoky wrote:
you guys should totally split the vote and let me hammer, it's a great idea.

also your mechanics are all wrong about justifying why you shouldn't lynch me, but hey what the shit do i care.

you guys want my check for today? i didn't get roleblocked! kitaman

I KNEW IT ALL ALONG!

To bad we know your claim is fake


bro there could totally be 3 blues amirite? 2 vigis too, i am the great vigicop!

Sorry you aren't Toad
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LightningStrike
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June 13 2017 20:55 GMT
#2931
On June 14 2017 04:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 04:05 Prison Break wrote:
On June 14 2017 03:26 Grackaroni wrote:
It looks like he's probably going to be one of the lynches either way. I'm going to try to be less lazy today and see if I can find anything.

I'm a little nervous about you tbh because I know that you're clever enough to change up your play style from the last game.


Well isn't that the same way people were paranoid about HF, who also flipped town?

I guess go ahead and check my filter 10x, you won't find a thing.

I think there's not enough paranoia.

HF, LS and even you have argued that you aren't scum because your game play is stylistically a lot different from generic II, but I have enough respect for your play to discount that.

I don't think PB would improve his scum a lot in just 1 game despite being coached simply because he would of made his scum even better than HF's scum game.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 13 2017 21:15 GMT
#2934
On June 14 2017 05:57 Conversion wrote:
ls can you put your vote not on ritoky. like i'd rather have it off than on him

Fine but promise me you guys will vote ritoky next day phase please?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 13 2017 23:57 GMT
#2955
On June 14 2017 08:25 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 08:15 Conversion wrote:
who's next on the scummy list for y'all if this guy surprises us with a town flip


I have decent reasons to town everyone left. If you take out Gracks push on Ritoky then he could but I think his push on him looked pretty genuine and not a bus.

LS next then? He's had very few opinions and only comes when he's talked about. Which makes me think he's town because if he rolled scum he'd at least push for a mlynch. He had no problems standing up to HF either.

Check my generic 2 filter and compare it to this game?
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LightningStrike
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June 13 2017 23:58 GMT
#2957
On June 14 2017 08:15 Conversion wrote:
who's next on the scummy list for y'all if this guy surprises us with a town flip

You probably you and ritoky had 1 weird interaction when I had you as part of my PoE scum plus your EoD 2 reaction to the Vivax flip seemed weird?
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June 13 2017 23:59 GMT
#2959
On June 14 2017 08:45 Tubesock wrote:
I had a string of 3 games in a row I was miss lynched day one.

I get mislynched a lot Day 1 Day 2 area but only got mislynched once after Day 2 as town honestly so I know how you feel.
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June 13 2017 23:59 GMT
#2960
On June 14 2017 08:58 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 08:57 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 14 2017 08:25 Tubesock wrote:
On June 14 2017 08:15 Conversion wrote:
who's next on the scummy list for y'all if this guy surprises us with a town flip


I have decent reasons to town everyone left. If you take out Gracks push on Ritoky then he could but I think his push on him looked pretty genuine and not a bus.

LS next then? He's had very few opinions and only comes when he's talked about. Which makes me think he's town because if he rolled scum he'd at least push for a mlynch. He had no problems standing up to HF either.

Check my generic 2 filter and compare it to this game?


Didn't I just call you town?

Oh I misread your post thought you were calling me scum or something lmao.
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LightningStrike
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June 14 2017 00:00 GMT
#2961
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June 14 2017 00:10 GMT
#2965
okay lynching ritoky next day phase.
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LightningStrike
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June 14 2017 02:23 GMT
#2983
On June 14 2017 11:17 Conversion wrote:
like we are in the situation after ritoky we're gonna lose so like I understand you might not have time but anything beside a 1-liner would help if you're actually town

also you're like #1 suspect to me without me doubting my town reads because you passively just switched to btdt, gave no argument or reasoning, and now your top scum read is me, unless I'm reading your post to my question incorrectly

Mainly a PoE thing but might have to recheck Tubesock before making a final answer Day 6 when we will have to lynch the last scum.
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LightningStrike
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June 14 2017 02:25 GMT
#2984
On June 14 2017 11:18 Conversion wrote:
ritoky and I only really ever talked to each other on D1 when he forced me to give reads and shit

and my EoD 2 reaction was in reply to BTDT calling me possible scummates with PB

so why I am scummy on your list? elaborate stop being silent pls ty

It looked weird at the time was wondering why you went directly into saying you weren't in a scum with PB. Fair enough on that.
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June 14 2017 02:25 GMT
#2985
On June 14 2017 11:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 11:17 Conversion wrote:
like we are in the situation after ritoky we're gonna lose so like I understand you might not have time but anything beside a 1-liner would help if you're actually town

also you're like #1 suspect to me without me doubting my town reads because you passively just switched to btdt, gave no argument or reasoning, and now your top scum read is me, unless I'm reading your post to my question incorrectly

Mainly a PoE thing but might have to recheck Tubesock before making a final answer Day 6 when we will have to lynch the last scum.

Also the reason I didn't say much on my vote switch was mainly I was playing Starcaft Brood War at the time.
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LightningStrike
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June 14 2017 02:27 GMT
#2986
On June 14 2017 11:15 Conversion wrote:
also LS can you like actually post something meaningful

your filter is filled with nothing

is this how he usually plays town?

Pretty much how I was in Generic 2 too :\
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LightningStrike
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June 14 2017 02:28 GMT
#2987
On June 14 2017 11:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm very tempted to just go all in on LS scum. He's the one I feel least comfortable reading and I've tried to find scummy things from everyone else and I'm still coming up short.

Sounds familiar Oh wait we got played by PB in LYLO in Generic when we were both town -.-
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LightningStrike
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June 14 2017 02:38 GMT
#2988
Also my vote didn't matter regardless at the time I did switch to btdt because no one was budging to ritoky at the time.
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June 14 2017 02:40 GMT
#2990
BTW just read Tubesock's filter. I will admit it now a toss up on both conversion and Tubesock. Conversion EoD 2 reaction looked better after seeing the context explained about why he not scum with PB. Will have to reevulate both Tubesock and Conversion's filters by Day 6.
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LightningStrike
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June 14 2017 02:42 GMT
#2992
On June 14 2017 11:39 Grackaroni wrote:
Not lynching Ritoky this cycle didn't actually matter since regardless of which townie got killed the most likely person to die next cycle would still have been BTDT.

True I just figured to see if anyone still wanted to go on ritoky and figure the game out more later that's all.
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LightningStrike
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June 14 2017 02:44 GMT
#2993
On June 14 2017 11:42 Grackaroni wrote:
One thing I'm noticing is that in the first 3 pages you have a lot of replies to Ritoky and Fidei (also HF, who pressured you over something I didn't understand). It could be a coincidence but it strikes me as unusual.

Ritoky and James were really the only ones asking me stuff during my page 1-3 at the time so yes it just a coincidence lol.
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June 14 2017 02:47 GMT
#2995
On June 14 2017 11:46 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 11:44 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 14 2017 11:42 Grackaroni wrote:
One thing I'm noticing is that in the first 3 pages you have a lot of replies to Ritoky and Fidei (also HF, who pressured you over something I didn't understand). It could be a coincidence but it strikes me as unusual.

Ritoky and James were really the only ones asking me stuff during my page 1-3 at the time so yes it just a coincidence lol.

Actually now that I think about it Ritoky and Fidei both bugged me too for not posting reads.

I did post my reads people asked me to?
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LightningStrike
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June 15 2017 03:32 GMT
#3039
Spent the whole day packing for my week long vacation to Hawaii. I might be able to do some work while on plane while flying. Was hoping one of Conversion or Tubesock would get nk to make it easier on me. Anyways will vote ritoky.
On June 15 2017 09:56 Tubesock wrote:
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On June 15 2017 09:17 Conversion wrote:
can I get some thoughts on who the last scum is since we're autoing ritoky

I kinda wanted to die bc I don't care about this game anymore

bye PB


Could be anyone really.

LS is freaking smart. He's always looking at how he plays. I can see a world where he realizes that he gets towned easier with the fewer and less concrete reads. Couple years ago he learned that people used his emotional state to town him. So then he went emo as mafia and won the game. But there's the nagging feeling that he would have to at least put in some work to line up miss lynches or something.

Grack could be too. He was gone most of the great claim wars of XXVI and maybe his fight with Ritoky was staged. It looked pretty sincere the first few times I read it.

You could be too. You post a lot about how you're new to this and not good or whatever so that will make our expectations a little lower. But you are quite active lately and that's super pro town. If you're mafia I kinda don't mind losing to you if my other two townies AFK for days.

Blame Damdred for making me break that meta in Cell because he wanted me to get better -.- I would of made it easier on me if I night killed someone else because PB is someone I could try to convince on other people.
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LightningStrike
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June 16 2017 17:35 GMT
#3051
I landed in Hawaii yesterday but by the time I got to my hotel I was way to tired as it was a 8 hour flight from DFW and couldn't sleep on the plane. Will do Tubesock's filter now.
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LightningStrike
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June 16 2017 18:21 GMT
#3052
Hmm I need to do some comparison to his last couple of scum games along with his town games to make a better conclusion on him atm but I do got a question for him.Why in your initial reads list you didn't really give much of a read on me Tubesock?
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June 16 2017 18:23 GMT
#3053
Also what was the mindmeld with ritoky all about with Tubesock?
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LightningStrike
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June 17 2017 01:22 GMT
#3062
On June 17 2017 07:44 Tubesock wrote:
I basically never give a real reading on you LS. It's generally wait till D3-4 and it's usually obvious. But that was when you couldn't post much as mafia and would have a 4 page filter or something. You fixed that. Then you weren't able to use emotion as mafia, but you fixed that too. So, I'm kinda defaulting to how have you townsided


Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote:

Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote:
i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb

fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.

reading LS mafia, what else is new for me.

btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.

tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.

grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.

BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.

onegu...flip a coin.




I liked this post in spoilers for the most part. I thought towning HF so quick was reckless but he did look town enough. The Fidei read at the time was ok too. More in I read it as a null read. Fidei was a bit boring. Btdt started getting super nitpicky on Conversion which I didn't particularly like.
His points on Grack, BH and TW I felt totally on point. And laughed cause Onegu is a coin flip.

Then why you called it a mindmeld then instead of saying "I like this post"? Also I think you tried to in the past? Let me reread some of your past games that I was in regarding the fact if you did tried to read me. Also yes that was all my questions.
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June 17 2017 19:58 GMT
#3065
On June 17 2017 10:57 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 10:22 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2017 07:44 Tubesock wrote:
I basically never give a real reading on you LS. It's generally wait till D3-4 and it's usually obvious. But that was when you couldn't post much as mafia and would have a 4 page filter or something. You fixed that. Then you weren't able to use emotion as mafia, but you fixed that too. So, I'm kinda defaulting to how have you townsided


On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote:

Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote:
i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb

fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.

reading LS mafia, what else is new for me.

btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.

tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.

grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.

BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.

onegu...flip a coin.




I liked this post in spoilers for the most part. I thought towning HF so quick was reckless but he did look town enough. The Fidei read at the time was ok too. More in I read it as a null read. Fidei was a bit boring. Btdt started getting super nitpicky on Conversion which I didn't particularly like.
His points on Grack, BH and TW I felt totally on point. And laughed cause Onegu is a coin flip.

Then why you called it a mindmeld then instead of saying "I like this post"? Also I think you tried to in the past? Let me reread some of your past games that I was in regarding the fact if you did tried to read me. Also yes that was all my questions.


I called it a mind meld because I felt we viewed the world from similar viewpoints. For me "mind melding" is a little bit more than just liking a post. What's it mean to you?

I'm pretty sure I've had you in the town pile most the game. But you can understand needing to look at you more carefully now.

Your answer was more of a "I like thi post" which is why I was questioning it that's all. And yes I know you have to look at me more carefully as I will do the same.
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LightningStrike
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June 17 2017 19:59 GMT
#3066
Also fuck jetlag from 2 time zone differences coming from CST to HST which is a 5 hour time zone difference -.-
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June 18 2017 18:17 GMT
#3071
I here I was honestly surprised that Grack was killed.
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June 19 2017 01:03 GMT
#3072
Conversion did you want to talk to anyone?
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LightningStrike
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June 19 2017 01:22 GMT
#3075
On June 19 2017 10:07 Tubesock wrote:
LS, is there anything this game you've done that makes you town?

Yes actually, I did expressed my doubts about James flipping scum at deadline because I saw how many people were piling on. As scum I never shown doubts people's alignments as shown in these games:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517122-liquidmania-qualifier-1?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503886-who-wants-to-be-a-millionaire-cell-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/518091-resistance-vi?user=LightningStrike
As town I had shown doubts more about how people will flip or being nervous about a lynch as shown here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/518091-resistance-vi?user=LightningStrike
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/518289-im-a-cop-you-idiot-mafia-towns-revenge?user=LightningStrike
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/521332-generic-mini-mafia-ii?user=LightningStrike
i also was willingly to get lynched over TW Day 1 so we had a blue alive although he still got lynched a couple day phases later. I also was one of the hammer votes on James which why would I even risk our team position if I was partner's with ritoky? I would of honestly tried to keep people on BH at that point. Ritoky did push me but I did bark at him for his inability to read me and told him to admit which he didn't and knew he could vote me throw off the VCA. Yes I know PB and Grack was suspecting me but PB also was suspecting you into thinking Grack with me as a possible scum. Grack was questioning you too from the looks of his end filter along with me? Those night kills could just be WIFOM for all we know.
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June 19 2017 01:23 GMT
#3076
Also if I was scum with ritoky I would of told him to fight it out with HF and force the lynch between him and HF instead of ritoky claiming scum right there because it was still 50-50 and tell ritoky he could fake claimed rb along with actually roleblocking HF right there.
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LightningStrike
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June 19 2017 01:25 GMT
#3077
Honestly I still got a toss up on Conversion or Tubesock although I want to see if conversion is willing to talk.
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LightningStrike
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June 19 2017 04:05 GMT
#3080
On June 19 2017 11:14 Tubesock wrote:
Those are all things I think you're capable of doing as scum. D1 busses are not that uncommon.

I think you're more likely to flip mafia than Conversion.

I never will change my doubting stuff since it's my own self? Also I don't do planned bussing at all nor do I risk being the absolute hammered my own scummate at EoD 1. I prioritize my team heavily and would of tried to change the wagon back to BH EoD 1 right there.You can see how much I prioritize my team chance of winning with little losses in Cell Millionaire at least if you looked into that QT. I play more for the team than myself as scum.
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June 19 2017 04:06 GMT
#3081
BTW Conversion if you are here I know you wanted to talk to people earlier now is the chance for you to talk to me at least.
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June 19 2017 05:32 GMT
#3086
On June 19 2017 14:04 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2017 10:25 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly I still got a toss up on Conversion or Tubesock although I want to see if conversion is willing to talk.


also ??? obviously if you think you are town it's a toss up between me and tube so what good is this statement

Well it didn't seem like you were willing to talk which is why I made that statement but please get better with whatever illness is hurting you.
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June 19 2017 17:04 GMT
#3098
I pretty sure now that it's tubesock based on several things:
Current game stuff
+ Show Spoiler +
First his interaction with TW
On June 03 2017 10:20 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2017 10:18 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 03 2017 10:09 Tubesock wrote:
On June 03 2017 10:04 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 03 2017 09:05 Tubesock wrote:
Hard to keep up with the flurry of posts.

BH, it's been an hour since you targeted Vivax. No vote yet, how committed are you to this? You don't seem like you're pushing conversation (haven't answered Grack yet).

the fuck is this shit
hard to keep up with this flurry of 10 posts? that were all one-liners?
and you're tryna call someone out for not pushing their rng?
I can't even keep this post short while trying to vocalize everything stupid about it. if this isn't for reactions I wanna lynch you for being this bad


you don't think that was a hilarious joke?

SOooo you're not having fun are you?

which part was the jokr


uh the not keeping up with half a page of one liners. 4 by one peron....

SInce no one is talking, what are your thoughts on BH's RNG lynch? Do you think anything about it?

Kinda over explained the joke part to TW and over reacted to TW over the suppose joke.
His treatment on Vivax seems a odd transmission from this post:
On June 04 2017 07:00 Tubesock wrote:
No way I'm lynching Vivax.

to this post:
On June 05 2017 07:15 Tubesock wrote:
I kinda think Vivax just wants to be contrarian.

V I don't think it's a leap to say BH may want to do nothing day one. Not many people enjoy the shitshow that day one is. So I have a difficult time scumming HF for saying BH is a coin flip. Everything else he says seems logical and towny. Plus if he's mafia HF is making things more difficult for himself.

Was strange I mean why you thought he was town yet was contrarian at the same time?
Then later he wanted to lynch him as shown in these two posts:
On June 05 2017 07:43 Tubesock wrote:
I'm contemplating a yolo vivax lynch.

On June 05 2017 08:54 Tubesock wrote:
Oh so now you guys want to kill Vivax with me.

He said he didn't like some of his analyzes or his last reads which is odd because he was townreading Vivax earlier.
Next:
On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote:
Just in case:

PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game.
Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia.
HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5.
Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote:
i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb

fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.

reading LS mafia, what else is new for me.

btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.

tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.

grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.

BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.

onegu...flip a coin.

Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet.
Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town.

LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names.

Mafias Most likely further down.

Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS.

Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him.

beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone.
Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible.

Never really give much reasons to townread ritoky outside of his mindmeld which is strange I would of thought he more reasons to read someone town other than just a mindmeld. Also he didn't really gave much of a read on me at the time too I would of figured he would of tried to read me.
On June 10 2017 07:09 Tubesock wrote:
I think mafia RB'd TW to mindfuck town. Then when town starts thinking why is HF alive, they can kill TW and then say well they had to kill the confirmed Doc so that's why HF is alive and he'd be alive for another night and can set up for his last partner.

Potential TMI regarding TW how TW was roleblocked for certain reasons? Also he very little interactions with ritoky at all while the rest game he had more interactions with the game probably to avoid bussing him until ritoky claimed scum.

Last scum game:
+ Show Spoiler +
In Nutcracker his scummates were Tictock and Vivax his filter is here if you want to read his entire filter from that game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=Tubesock. But in that game he didn't really interact to much with Tictock or Vivax with 2 posts directed to Tictock himself while 0 to Vivax yet was pushing people off of lynching Vivax until he fake claimed a rolecop candy that town or scum could be given and bussed Vivax was first on the wagon.
In his first reds post he didn't give much reasons why he was townreading others but gave some reasons why he was scumreading people here:
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Towny Order
Tubesock
GlowingBear

Koshi - had an entire post in CAPS LOCK.
Ritoky
Sukrit
TicTock
LightningStrike - 1/2 Koshitownness since his post was only 1/2 CAPS lock.


Null/mafia not necessarily in order but kinda
Shapelog
Damdred
Rels
GiygaS
Kushm4sta
Vivax

Shapelog I have the same suspicions everyone else does/did. I haven't really studied his filter to see what he's done after the heat was off him. Or what he did eod other than vote Kush.

Damdred I read Damdred's filter solely because of the GB hammer. I didn't like the shenanies but I have seen Damdred do that multiple times as town. Damdred doesn't address GB or Kush at all in his filter and only mentions Vivax with T-4 minutes to EOD. I think he had about 2 reads. I think Rels is right taht he is disinterested in the game. I disagree that it is mafia motivated though. Damdred in my eyes is like Marv/Palmar/Holyflare/BH, if they are alive d4 it's because they are mafia.

Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's.

I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read.

The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy.

GiygaS I liked his Rels points. That's pretty much all he's done. Even rereading his filter I didn't see anything that jumps out in either direction. I liked that he didn't seem too phased during kusgate 2015. For the record I don't think anyone who read my filter would think I sheeped GiygaS on Rels. Did G reaffirm and add to things? Yes. Another Rels exaggeration.

Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay. But he's done jackshit. I think I've read or played with him in 3 games. He was anti-town in all of them. I think copcheck/poe him later.

Vivax has like 4 posts all "I'm sheeping Koshi".

Even though he did give more reasons for his scumreads his townreads had 0 or little reasons.

His last town game:
+ Show Spoiler +
His filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafia?user=Tubesock
He interacted with people more in that game throughout the game yes even with the scumteam there of Vivax,Koshi, ExO, SKynx with 3rd person players in Artanis/Rels, GB, Acroface he shown he wasn't afraid much to talk to anyone.

Here is my case on Tubesock but unfornately I wont be much except on mobile till way past deadline if you got questions Conversion while I am away let me know.
##Vote Tubesock
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 19 2017 17:06 GMT
#3099
If we lose because of me I will admit I did play like shit but didn't have much motivation when we had 3 auto lynches with no really talking much. I will admit my fault there I sorry town if we lose :\
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 19 2017 17:28 GMT
#3100
If I do get lynched here I think I am this will be my 2nd time ever getting lynched post Day 2 as town. Oh well
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 19 2017 18:37 GMT
#3101
Well it seems like Conversion responded to my case on Tubesock I guess this will end the game. Conversion if you are scum wp man. Tubesock if you are scum well you finally mislynched me past Day 2.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 19 2017 18:39 GMT
#3102
Reposting for new page:
On June 20 2017 02:04 LightningStrike wrote:
I pretty sure now that it's tubesock based on several things:
Current game stuff
+ Show Spoiler +
First his interaction with TW
On June 03 2017 10:20 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2017 10:18 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 03 2017 10:09 Tubesock wrote:
On June 03 2017 10:04 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 03 2017 09:05 Tubesock wrote:
Hard to keep up with the flurry of posts.

BH, it's been an hour since you targeted Vivax. No vote yet, how committed are you to this? You don't seem like you're pushing conversation (haven't answered Grack yet).

the fuck is this shit
hard to keep up with this flurry of 10 posts? that were all one-liners?
and you're tryna call someone out for not pushing their rng?
I can't even keep this post short while trying to vocalize everything stupid about it. if this isn't for reactions I wanna lynch you for being this bad


you don't think that was a hilarious joke?

SOooo you're not having fun are you?

which part was the jokr


uh the not keeping up with half a page of one liners. 4 by one peron....

SInce no one is talking, what are your thoughts on BH's RNG lynch? Do you think anything about it?

Kinda over explained the joke part to TW and over reacted to TW over the suppose joke.
His treatment on Vivax seems a odd transmission from this post:
On June 04 2017 07:00 Tubesock wrote:
No way I'm lynching Vivax.

to this post:
On June 05 2017 07:15 Tubesock wrote:
I kinda think Vivax just wants to be contrarian.

V I don't think it's a leap to say BH may want to do nothing day one. Not many people enjoy the shitshow that day one is. So I have a difficult time scumming HF for saying BH is a coin flip. Everything else he says seems logical and towny. Plus if he's mafia HF is making things more difficult for himself.

Was strange I mean why you thought he was town yet was contrarian at the same time?
Then later he wanted to lynch him as shown in these two posts:
On June 05 2017 07:43 Tubesock wrote:
I'm contemplating a yolo vivax lynch.

On June 05 2017 08:54 Tubesock wrote:
Oh so now you guys want to kill Vivax with me.

He said he didn't like some of his analyzes or his last reads which is odd because he was townreading Vivax earlier.
Next:
On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote:
Just in case:

PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game.
Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia.
HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5.
Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler +
On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote:
i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb

fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.

reading LS mafia, what else is new for me.

btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.

tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.

grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.

BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.

onegu...flip a coin.

Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet.
Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town.

LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names.

Mafias Most likely further down.

Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS.

Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him.

beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone.
Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible.

Never really give much reasons to townread ritoky outside of his mindmeld which is strange I would of thought he more reasons to read someone town other than just a mindmeld. Also he didn't really gave much of a read on me at the time too I would of figured he would of tried to read me.
On June 10 2017 07:09 Tubesock wrote:
I think mafia RB'd TW to mindfuck town. Then when town starts thinking why is HF alive, they can kill TW and then say well they had to kill the confirmed Doc so that's why HF is alive and he'd be alive for another night and can set up for his last partner.

Potential TMI regarding TW how TW was roleblocked for certain reasons? Also he very little interactions with ritoky at all while the rest game he had more interactions with the game probably to avoid bussing him until ritoky claimed scum.

Last scum game:
+ Show Spoiler +
In Nutcracker his scummates were Tictock and Vivax his filter is here if you want to read his entire filter from that game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=Tubesock. But in that game he didn't really interact to much with Tictock or Vivax with 2 posts directed to Tictock himself while 0 to Vivax yet was pushing people off of lynching Vivax until he fake claimed a rolecop candy that town or scum could be given and bussed Vivax was first on the wagon.
In his first reds post he didn't give much reasons why he was townreading others but gave some reasons why he was scumreading people here:
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Towny Order
Tubesock
GlowingBear

Koshi - had an entire post in CAPS LOCK.
Ritoky
Sukrit
TicTock
LightningStrike - 1/2 Koshitownness since his post was only 1/2 CAPS lock.


Null/mafia not necessarily in order but kinda
Shapelog
Damdred
Rels
GiygaS
Kushm4sta
Vivax

Shapelog I have the same suspicions everyone else does/did. I haven't really studied his filter to see what he's done after the heat was off him. Or what he did eod other than vote Kush.

Damdred I read Damdred's filter solely because of the GB hammer. I didn't like the shenanies but I have seen Damdred do that multiple times as town. Damdred doesn't address GB or Kush at all in his filter and only mentions Vivax with T-4 minutes to EOD. I think he had about 2 reads. I think Rels is right taht he is disinterested in the game. I disagree that it is mafia motivated though. Damdred in my eyes is like Marv/Palmar/Holyflare/BH, if they are alive d4 it's because they are mafia.

Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's.

I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read.

The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy.

GiygaS I liked his Rels points. That's pretty much all he's done. Even rereading his filter I didn't see anything that jumps out in either direction. I liked that he didn't seem too phased during kusgate 2015. For the record I don't think anyone who read my filter would think I sheeped GiygaS on Rels. Did G reaffirm and add to things? Yes. Another Rels exaggeration.

Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay. But he's done jackshit. I think I've read or played with him in 3 games. He was anti-town in all of them. I think copcheck/poe him later.

Vivax has like 4 posts all "I'm sheeping Koshi".

Even though he did give more reasons for his scumreads his townreads had 0 or little reasons.

His last town game:
+ Show Spoiler +
His filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafia?user=Tubesock
He interacted with people more in that game throughout the game yes even with the scumteam there of Vivax,Koshi, ExO, SKynx with 3rd person players in Artanis/Rels, GB, Acroface he shown he wasn't afraid much to talk to anyone.

Here is my case on Tubesock but unfornately I wont be much except on mobile till way past deadline if you got questions Conversion while I am away let me know.
##Vote Tubesock

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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 19 2017 20:38 GMT
#3107
Host please post end game please so town will lose I .can't be bothered to do shit on mobile.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 19 2017 20:39 GMT
#3108
On June 20 2017 05:38 Conversion wrote:
LS the problem I have with you is that your town game is pretty different from this game and Generic II

I might be reading it wrong, but you at least posted and pushed your convictions in GII, whereas you sort of just meandered about and contributed nothing

you had me as a tossup with Tubesock, but the moment TS put his vote on you you built a case against him and didn't entertain the thought of me being scum (which you openly did in GII, but just said Grack looked scummier than PB)

I reevaluated and hope the host just end game now.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 19 2017 20:42 GMT
#3110
On June 20 2017 05:40 Conversion wrote:
instead you just said "GG if you're scum Conversion" which is like, not what you did in GII? You always kept the open opportunity that PB might have been scum all this time, so I would think that you would be more careful in giving me a free town pass and be even MORE skeptical of me, but meh

might be because of your vacation, but if you knew that you were going to be on vacation and possibly be alive for LYLO you should have played more town than not. it's confusing as hell for me to try and read people when more than 80% of their filter is just them not saying anything even up until almost 3 hours before LYLO

I didn't know we would be in LYLO while I was on vacation aka thought game would end sooner.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 19 2017 20:43 GMT
#3112
Kitaman just put 3 game ban for me post game.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 19 2017 21:41 GMT
#3118
I didn't feel like fighting when I was on mobile. I will take the punishment whatever it is.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 19 2017 21:43 GMT
#3120
Tbh I should of been modkilled for my comment to HF so ya sorry guys.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-20 05:15:07
June 20 2017 05:14 GMT
#3136
Once again I sorry for my actions has caused in this game especially to Kitaman who had to deal with my stuff. You did a good job overall Kitaman.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 20 2017 17:57 GMT
#3141
On June 20 2017 17:32 Holyflare wrote:
Just afk next time?

Ironically that what kita said >.>
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 22 2017 17:22 GMT
#3146
On June 22 2017 21:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
First of all sorry for kitaman for being such a terrible co-host. My shifts got changed for the last two weeks so i had basically time to work and sleep and whenever i could do something it was on phone. Doing votecounts on phone takes like an hour because i hate touch screens. Fortunately all went well, and i just focused on loosely following the game whenever i could and looked everything plays out fine.

That being said i think LS needs a ban for conceding as town and playing against his wincondition in LYLO. There is no way to continue game after that post.

There are also many things to be learnt from this game if anyone cares.

- When someone comes into the game and a few hours into the game calls about 8 people scum they are usually mafia. I got honestly super "wtfffff" when i had read that particular Fidei post, went to the google docs and didn't see ritoky as mafia (as my phone has some ad or some notification that blocks the last few names from the list) since ritoky's reaction to the post was quite telling aswell.

- Grackaroni had the game 90% in the bag on D2. Unfortunately Vivax blew D2 and it all went forgotten. I sent this to kitaman:
Show nested quote +
See what happened a while ago. Just what i was talking about. Grackaroni gives 3 scumreads and nails both remaining mafia, but "if Vivax is town...". Holyflare, BH and Vivax all agree on that... if only vivax didnt do dumb things...

Then, based on Vivax' claim they get sidetracked onto btdt and other dumb stuff.

Wanna bet this "if vivax flips town then.." transforms into something completely different after vivax dies and noone remembers any of the good shit ppl said d2?

The moral of the story is don't do dumb things like fakeclaim cop because all the good stuff goes forgotten when you waste the day.

- It kinda should have been very easy to tell who is the one of the blues fakeclaiming. The way Holyflare reacted to Vivax' fake check was a strong indicator he is not mafia, and blue. It was like he knew he is not gonna get lynched and not in a way like greens do. It was more like "fuck you, i also have this claim in my back pocket so you literally can't lynch me here ever". If Tumblewood was mafia they would not (well at least i know i never would) waste the roleblock into keeping Tumblewood alive for 2 nights since he can just claim he protted someone else (like HF for example N1) as the night kills were on people not usually protected. It doesn't make Tumblewood look any worse if he says "i was on Holyflare N1 since i think Holyflare is the best player in the game". However ritoky's claim was super sketchy since ritoky posted he doesn't know which one of Tumble and HF is mafia. If that was the case you ALWAYS check into those two as a cop. Always. That's it, that made ritoky's claim fake.

- When you have confirmed mafia you lynch it. Not only was the town's reasoning to NOT lynch ritoky D4 bad, but the town didn't even follow their own reasoning why they didn't lynch him... There is also the moral factor. When you lynch mafia people are like "yeah guys one more to go let's kill the last scum!!!", but if you don't and you hit town, people usually go "fuck we should have just lynched the mafia ". It affects on people and their motivation, it really does.

That's pretty much all. gg and gratz to scum.

On June 20 2017 05:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Kitaman just put 3 game ban for me post game.

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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-22 19:47:14
June 22 2017 19:46 GMT
#3149
On June 23 2017 04:41 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd say this was more of a modkill than a concession. If this were day one, he would have flipped at the deadline and the game would have continued. Unfortunately, when he was removed there was only 1 mafia and 1 town remaining so it resulted in a mafia victory. Discussing bans while the game is ongoing is against the rules according to the OP. LS was already playing under a warning due to his derogatory remarks earlier in the game.

I think it would be a poor precedent to allow players to post in the thread requesting mod actions in exchange for "town cred". Conversion may have seen those posts and think to himself "Well the game is still going on. If he's mafia then he would have just conceded, so he must be town!". While Conversion may have interpreted those posts as being completely irrelevant to his alignment, I had to make a judgement call that his posts broke the rules. It definitely wasn't the outcome I wanted to see for an otherwise entertaining game either.

And that why I think a 3 game ban is fine. No one but me and you(idk if Rayn knew) knew I was playing under a warning. Anyways have fun next month kita that island is perfect for surfing ;D
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 22 2017 22:13 GMT
#3154
Can we just agree on my punishment already 3 games seem about right maybe more.
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