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I'm here-- generally a hectic weekend personally so apologies that I was late! | ||
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On June 03 2017 21:31 Conversion wrote: Hi all! I'm here-- generally a hectic weekend personally so apologies that I was late! That's all fine and dandy but if you've been here for about an hour, why aren't you posting? [/QUOTE] I'm actually working today and was going to catch up later in the day, hence I said that generally it's a hectic weekend. Also, I understand that your timezone doesn't match up with the start of the game, but what are you going to get by pushing me, who is not experienced at all at Mafia, and making me post more? What about the other half of the thread that isn't making any sort of post that you can push for more information as well? It feels counterproductive to me (although I can see the flip side of the argument of letting me lurk lets me fly under the radar if I am scum by playing the newbie card, but I would assume veteran players can pressure me into slipping later on in the game if I were) For me it seems like unnecessary posting just clutters up a lot of the points or distractions, being made here, and I'd rather spend a good chunk of the small amount of time I do have in my current situations understanding how Mafia games generally go and understanding when to push for points or make good posts. TL;DR real life things outside of my control has coincided with the start time of this game-- does not mean I am trying to be inactive to fly under the radar and lurk. | ||
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On June 04 2017 06:30 Fidei86 wrote: @ritoky I talked myself around on this a bit. Literally every game I've played with LS he's been inactive, with bad meta reads and links to filters. And every time he has been town. BH makes a good point that you have to try and work out if something is scummy for the person in question, and for LS the stuff that HF pinged out is null. LS' OMGUS drive against HF actually makes me think LS might be town - by reason of the fact that I don't know if LS as Mafia starts pushing HF based purely on OMGUS, who I presume is one of the most experienced players in the game. HF - his reads are thin and I think his LS read is wrong in particular. He has also kept pushing the TW read long after everyone else had sort of agreed and moved on. I think he probably is at a wedding tho, so his style makes sense in that context. I think it's a null-leaning slightly scummy read, but I definitely wouldn't lynch into him at the moment. Apart from the actual AFKers, the two people I'm most on at the moment are TW and Conversation, but for different reasons. We've all pinged out his weird read progression on TS earlier, but then when he finally comes back he comes in and gives two lazy-ass reads on me and ritoky (and yes, I know D1 association reads are garbage, but if one of those flips red later the other could be with them). And Conversation thread enters, leaves for almost a day, then comes back in and posts a huge WoT which basically just says nothing about the game at all. It basically flashes "I'm here and I don't care about the game", which is scumtell 101. In a way it's almost too flagrant, but I'm definitely not willing to give the benefit of the doubt at this stage. Can you explain how I am showing disinterest in the game? I meant to say that the general lack of posting and effort is due to personal reasons, and understood that from a mechanical POV that it could be scummy. I don't understand where the translation suddenly became "I don't care about this game." when I've been actually reading the thread carefully. I'd like an explanation so I can understand your scumtell 101 derived from my post. | ||
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On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote: shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game. Could you expand upon your read of why I make you feel weird about my alignment? I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand how you think instead of what you and Fidei are doing, which is calling me weird or "scumtell 101" without actually expanding upon it. It feels rather off to me that people would let inactives pass, but rather unconstructed arguments based on feelings (you) can pass as constructive posts. | ||
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I'd also like to give Fidei the benefit of the doubt b/c I was cited in the past as acting pretty scummy here when I was floundering about from inactivity and lack of confidence. I would rather have on the board some confidence and a deconstruction of my post from Fidei to support your scumtell so you can push it harder to let me argue and refine your read on me. | ||
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On June 04 2017 08:42 ritoky wrote: don't worry about them. tell me who you think is town or mafia. re: post above I'm glad that both Vivax and Grack read me slightly as town, but I think I want to read more into their interaction and presence on the board before making definite assessments. I think Tubesock is pretty dodgy-- he opened up lightly with some jokey posting, but has no real good presence on the game right now. I'm surprised people are letting him fly under the radar when he's asking other people who they think are scum/what they're reads are but not really giving any information for himself | ||
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yet btdt and fidei are readily pressuring me either for explaining my situation, or calling me scummy by making conclusions from my post that I can't really see from rereading my post | ||
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On June 04 2017 08:57 ritoky wrote: i am fine with players being new or bad, i actually tend to read new or bad players relatively well. what i want more of from you is what you think and why. it doesn't have to be big elaborate posts or well constructed thoughts, i just need a window into your brain so i can try to read you. when you type things like "i am glad x and y are reading me town"; normally that would indicate to me that you're more concerned with your image in the thread and how others are perceiving you than you are about finding mafia. and maybe that is the case, i don't have a good enough feel for you yet. but i want less posts like that and more posts like "i think this guy is this alignment cuz x." even if x is 1 sentence or 1 quoted post or some vague feeling in your kidney. if you don't post your train of thoughts in the thread i can never follow you, it will just come off like scattered thoughts or large leaps in logic that are disconnected Understood! To summarize what I think: I think tubesocks is mafia. His contributions has so far been him trying to look like he is contributing. I believe he actually asked someone for their opinions on their reads without giving any of his own. I think Vivax and Grack are town. No real evidence, but I kept up with Generic II and they both just feel town to me right now with the way they're playing. Fidei might be scum, but I'm not sure. I find it really suspicious he's not giving me a benefit of the doubt and looking to push me as scum with one post on my end. Not saying I deserve a free town pass because I suck and I'm a newbie, but my experience in 2012 showed me that most experienced players ignored me as just that: a newbie until it became important for me to step up and contribute. PB is a neutral for me because the one game I saw him play here, I thought he was town in Generic II, and he's playing rather similarly. I want to say he's town right now. I have no idea how to read Tumble's aggression and BH's posts honestly. Those are probably the people I have the biggest opinions on. | ||
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On June 04 2017 09:36 ritoky wrote: What about PB's play is similar to you? I was obsing that game, and he seems far less certain and definitive thus far to me. Maybe I should be comparing his day1 and this game's day1, but I do recall him being very decisive in pushing his reads in the middle of the game. I'd have to filter him specifically, but his jump onto BTDT and explaining his stance on Fibei seemed pretty decisive and certain to me. I may also be recalling only PB's strong posts and not recalling his indecisive ones in either Generic II or this thread | ||
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Looking at when I made that post about Tube, he didn't have much to go off of. I was wrong about the read-- ok move on. l Your argument for me lying about being on a phone is basically "I did it once so he can do it too." That's a bad argument-- is that concise enough? Also I've been exclusively playing on my phone and am still trying to play-- you disappear for hours, come in and build a bad case against me, and blow off people for questioning your argument's logic and then preface that you're busy, yet again. You keep falling back on the "I'm a bad player" and your reads are basically lynch everyone except two people. If your feeling of me being scum is rising, then have some convinction instead of "lol lynch everyone except my one sure town read and another person that I'm not going to share my reasons with" | ||
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On June 05 2017 00:12 Tumblewood wrote: now this is the kind of tunneling I like to see don't tell me scum is using these points against anyone, because they're not Can you explain why you like BTDT's tunneling? I feel as if tunneling someone for weak reasons as above is more detrimental than not. | ||
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On June 04 2017 23:08 beentheredonethat wrote: Well I'm not exactly pushing you. It's more like it feels weird that you say "hey, I'm here" and then you leave again. That's just not helping. If you feel like helping, then at least make people ask you questions. "What do you think about the exchange of HF/TW?" "What do is your stance on Vivax?" this is something that helps making yourself more readable. You didn't especially invite people to ask those questions, on the contrary. You're saying "hey guys I'm somewhat playing" so everyone expects you to do things; except you're not doing things so boom, people even start scumreading you. "What about the others in here" is also not the greatest of things to say. There's no real reason for me to look into anyone right now as I didn't find too much that caught my attention as "super suspicious" (except for the PB thing, ofc), but somehow your "hi bras" post caught my attention. So, no, it's not "clutter" or "unproductive". On the contrary - my slight poke triggered a big "oh noes" post which contains a lot of speculation and "do not look at me". I'm totally fine with people looking into me. I'm town, after all, and I got nothing to hide, I don't have any restrictions in who I'm pushing etc. Also I find it rather odd that BH's play didn't catch his eye. I still can't comprehend why BH would aggressively pursue Grack as a liar, label him as scum based on that, and just disappear. The fact that even that isn't the least bit suspicious to BTDT and not a reason to look into "anyone else" as he mentioned is weird. Several quotes after that he completely glosses over the reads that ritoky guided me to make, just tunnels into the phone reason, calls me out for calling Tubesock dodgy and not scumreading him, and then gives up when people (including myself) call his argument bad. His argument is that he might be over-reading and not giving me leeway because I'm a newbie, but is BTDT really that bad of a mafia player to make all of these weak arguments, give up, then announce his lurking? Also where are Onegu and BH? Onegu only made posts about catching up and BH disappeared after his Grack scum push.. | ||
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On June 05 2017 04:43 Holyflare wrote: Ritoky literally told you to do SOMETHING ELSE 1-2 pages ago. Don't feed me this line of crap. You not mentioning PB since applies to posts before he was clearly brought up again. Either way, I do not care to be honest. I think you're suspicious but I have bigger fish to fry and want you to do something else. Conversion, I have one question for you. Have you phone posted every single post this game? Every post before today has been on my phone. | ||
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I can point out three posts where I have made typos that are uncharacteristic of me when I am in front of a computer (I don't really need to get into my personality here, but BTDT is making an argument about my characteristics in typing on a phone vs. a computer..) | ||
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On June 05 2017 05:15 Holyflare wrote: Conversion, you're in a tight spot in terms of BTDT so you are going to have to break things down into a few simple lines for me. Who do you think is mafia (exclude any posts about BTDT)? There are three of them so give me a simple line of why you think someone is mafia for each candidate please. The two I think are Mafia are BH and TW. TW because I didn't like any of his posts about town reads. He generally seems rather disinterested in doing anything on doing any useful reads, lazily labels people as town, doesn't build a case on anyone, and doesn't seem to do much except make the occassional post here and there. I still find BH's play super weird-- comical or not (which I can't tell), he's been doing nothing as well and with the arguments happening here, I feel like making posts for people to push/question is the way to clear yourself up. The last one is a pretty big tossup, but I'm leaning towards PB. He hasn't changed his view on BTDT and put off his analysis, but I'm not very confident on this one. I'm going to place my vote in soon and I'm off after that. On a side note I'm done posting on my phone so I'll be less active since it's causing some issues with my posts and apparently I'm not helping my case by playing on my phone. | ||
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I don't know if I should lynch TW with a blue claim, and for some reason BH is being fought over and makes me doubt if I'll really get anything out of a D1 lynch who made almost no informative posts and people fighting over his meta, which I have no idea about PB still isn't here 24 mins before the deadline, so there's my vote. I'm boarding a flight now so I won't be available until after night. | ||
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I think Tubesock/Onegu/Ritoky are town in my reads. It might change as the game progresses, but Tubesock’s been pretty spot on (little weird I think before deadline) after my initial read on him being scum, and Onegu lead us into lynching Fidei, who flipped scum, and ritoky for generally pushing people to post and giving his reads after the lynch on who might be mafia. I’m still keeping my opinions on HF, Grack, LS, and BH neutral. BH because I still get weird feelings from his play on D1 even though I didn’t vote to lynch him. HF made.. a LOT of posts, but most of it has been back and forth with Vivax and then a weird stream of consciousness posting before deadline/at night. I really want to see how he plays D2. Grack and LS I can’t really read correctly. LS’s posts seem weird and spread out. I don’t feel like I really gained much from his posts information wise, but I don’t particularly find his play suspicious. I flat out don’t get how to read Grack’s posts. He seems to pressure people sometimes, but then cracks a joke or makes a blanket statement and leaves it at that. PrisonBreak: I really, really dislike his play. IDK if that’s because he’s just busy, he’s not caring as much about this game, or he’s scum trying to fly under the radar. I’m seeing a lot of disingenuous posts from him (saying he will post his reads later, still hasn’t done so) and then blames his inactivity based on something “not happening” when he checks the thread. Before the deadline he makes two posts on the vote count, doesn’t do anything to dissuade votes off of him, and doesn’t make any informative posts (Onegu/Tubesock is town—Onegu lead the “shenanigan” lynch whatever that is, Tumblewood is town). Questions Grack, makes some prods at BTDT and leaves. His play looks really sloppy from what he did in Generic II, but honestly there were some easy questions I made to you that you could have answered way before deadline was approaching. I asked you to post reads and asked you why you still think BTDT is scum, and he just disappeared and posted whatever he did before deadline. Really suspicious to me. Vivax: Vivax’s play and vote is really weird? He complains about me and someone else voting off BH and into HF and PB. On June 05 2017 08:40 Vivax wrote: Chance to lynch BH, two guys avoid him for shit reasons and go to HF and another goes for PB instead. Basically townies splitting all over my scumreads while tubesock is blatantly throwing his votes into the worst places possible. Kill me please. Which is funny because he’s been the one pushing for HF’s lynch hardcore this entire thread. HF still comments (although it might be jokingly) about killing off Vivax, but Vivax votes PB with me and then disappears, saying he’s going to AFK and only vote BH/HF. I’m not sure what the good or correct play is during night, so this might just be something I’m not understanding from a meta PoV on playing Mafia. | ||
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HF? any reply to his claim? defense? why are you suddenly so quiet you were pretty active night time | ||
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Also what's the play on TW? Honestly the way I see the play here is not a lynch between rito or grackoni, it's figuring out if mafia is banking on TW's claim looking false by avoiding his NK and figuring out Vivax's claim. My newbie brain can't figure out why you think arguing with each other is more pressing right now and it's frustrating to me | ||
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I'm keeping my vote on Vivax until something else happens I agree with people that the play is probably lynch Vivax -> watch flip -> go from there. If he's actually going to do something besides AFK I can change my vote, but I have my doubts | ||
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Also I'm not sticking up for BTDT. His play and tunnel on me was not ligcal, like literally his argument was that I was scum for lying about being on my phone and using correct grammar and punctuation. I just don't think it's a smart play to tunnel on me so hard and he was getting annoying so I left him alone. Like if he was scum and somehow got my lynch through D1 and I flip town, what does that get him? Also regardless of what your conclusions were, I said you looked suspicious because you quite literally disappeared for almost an entire day and started panicking before deadline. I never pegged you as scum because I left three options open: you're either scum flying under the radar, you're inactive and don't care, or you're busy. also "outright townreads Fidei" is completely wrong if you're going to post something like that, quote me on my latest and only read on Fidei: Fidei might be scum, but I'm not sure. I find it really suspicious he's not giving me a benefit of the doubt and looking to push me as scum with one post on my end. Not saying I deserve a free town pass because I suck and I'm a newbie, but my experience in 2012 showed me that most experienced players ignored me as just that: a newbie until it became important for me to step up and contribute. How is that an outright read as him being town? Anyways, I don't care if you were suspicious or not day1/night1. I'm still keeping my lynch on Vivax because his play is super bad and if he's fakeclaiming cop and AFKing and forcing an ultimatum between him and HF, I will lynch him over HF. HF, in my opinion, dicked around a little too much with Vivax on D1, but he didn't rage off the game because something didn't go his way. That's way better than what Vivax is doing, which is claiming and AFKing | ||
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Like does that sort of play actually happen around here? Again, not playing the newbie card, but a lot of what I read on Mafia here and elsewhere is that you don't want to harm town's environment in encouraging posts and generating content and reading people, even if we're wrong, and I just feel like what Vivax is doing cop, mafia, or town is doing exactly that: harming the town's ability to discuss and talk through our next steps because we're stuck on his Vivax vs. HF thing Also let's say Vivax is cop and he flips cop after the lynch. How does HF get out of that hole? We're at 7 town, 2 Mafia and let's say that either Vivax or HF are scum. I see these scenarios: Vivax is cop, HF is scum: Vivax gets lynched, flips cop. Someone gets NK'd, HF gets lynched immediately the next day and now we are at 5 town, 1 Mafia Vivax is scum, HF is town: Vivax gets lynched, flips scum. NK happens, and now we're at 5 town 1 scum, yet again. IDK maybe I suck at this game but if I was HF and I was scum, I'd honestly get people off Vivax's case. I don't know about the others here, but I'd push HF really hard if Vivax actually flips cop, and I don't think HF wants to be in situation where he is undeniably a red. The worst case scenario is Vivax isn't cop at all and is just regular town, in which case we wasted our entire day2 and our lynch on someone who is actively sabotaging town by fake claiming cop, and I have no idea how to proceed in that case. We'll be at 5 town vs 2 scum with an entire day lost of information. I doubt this scenario will happen, but I don't actually know because Vivax isn't posting. All things considered, Vivax is making the worse play here by claiming and AFKing. I guess another case here is Vivax and HF are scum, as if we lynch Vivax and he flips red. Not sure if that makes HF an untouchable townie, but the play can be Vivax outs himself to clear HF's name. | ||
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@BTDT Could you actually make a read on me/PB/ritoky? I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on us 3 tbh and I'm interested in being evaluated for my play so far, which hasn't been stellar because this whole claiming play just made the game unfun for me so I took a longer break. Also where is PB? He promised to be more active and has posted nothing so far. Can I get a list of your reads so far? I'll post mine soon after this post. | ||
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On June 07 2017 22:53 beentheredonethat wrote: My filter has reads on ritoky and PB and I think even on you :O I meant in your thought experiment  Also your point on me was "where am I" and here I am! Honestly I was F5'ing the thread pretty hard since my last post but nothing was happening so I went away from the thread and am catching up now.Also realized I didn't really make a lot of posts, so I guess that fits the "mafia letting town destroy themselves" so I'll try to be more active before deadline today, although from what I'm reading from the filter I still don't like Vivax's play... not sure if it's enough to autolynch him anymore but we'll see | ||
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On June 07 2017 22:59 beentheredonethat wrote: Oh in my thought experiment To be honest I'd lynch you and PB over ritoky right now Is that because we've been flying under the radar, or is that specifically derived from our filter? | ||
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Hi, do you want to actually make comments instead of linking GIFs? Unlike you I'm actually trying to learn how to play games in different situations and you aren't helping. Did you think that was a slip? I'm literally quoting what someone else said Was that a bad thing to mention as town because it makes me look suspicious? | ||
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I don't want to lynch either BH/HF because they're the ones (besides taking the occasional jab at Vivax or BTDT) still pushing for others generating content. They seem pretty town to me, but I'm hesitant to give anyone an outright 100% town read with the way this game is going. Grack/ritoky seem town to me. This is just based on a feeling from reading their filters. I am confused about Tubesock, but he seems generally town? His play is super spread out and weird, so not sure how to read him exactly. I still don't understand this fake claim play by Vivax, and I understand him rescinding due to HF's vague blue claim even less. I still think he's scum or made an incredibly bad town play because half the people basically AFKed and put their vote on him and didn't bother coming back to the game. I know I got bored like 15 hours ago because nothing was happening. I don't think BTDT is scum, but he might look bad if Vivax is scum. I think his play D1 wasn't enough to warrant him being scum, and his D2 play just seems like town tunneled in not lynching an uncc'd Vivax. LS/PB/TW have not contributed much. TW just said he's gonna AFK, post filter reads between HF/Vivax later, and left. Suspicious behavior, but understandable with most of our discussions centering around HF and Vivax. PB put some small thoughts into the matter and disappeared. I think we know the play from here on out depending on what Vivax flips, so I think it's sort of weird he just disappears without giving more insight or trying to pin other scum (he seems like a much better player than I am tbh) LS just flat out disappears after HF fake claims veteran. I guess he just posted now, so there he is. If we lynch Vivax and he flips scum: BTDT has a lot of suspicion on him with the flip. I don't think BTDT will end up being the last scum because the play of defending Vivax seems too risky if you're the last red after Vivax's lynch, so maybe he's trying to convince people to get Vivax off the lynch today? If Vivax flipped red I'd also take a much harder look at HF as well (I think I mentioned this possible scenario last post, and someone else mentioned that it wouldn't be too crazy if HF+Vivax scum team existed) because people seem to be praising him, so he much be a good enough player to try and win from that position. I mean I'm beginning to think that Vivax being town is increasing in probability (I still think he's scum for his play overwhelmingly) and is making me doubt my play even a little bit, because lynching a townie that gives absolutely no information is something I'd want to avoid if possible and we still have about 20+ hours left in the day.. | ||
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I'm not scum with PB, and I'm not scum. if you really think I would risk a last minute wagon on PB by leaving my vote on him, ya sure then I'm scum. What benefit does it get me or him? Why would I trail a scum team between me/fidei/PB by leaving a vote on him and not on someone else? People have been taking note of and reading my contributions, or lack thereof, to the topic. I might as well have kept my mouth shut all of N1/D2 and that would make myself look less scummy also if inactivity = scum you have like 5 scum this game, because D2 was basically BH/HF talking, you defending Vivax, and Vivax trying to make a defense for his play that didn't work out. Rest of it was like sub 5 posts for anyone else involved except Grack maybe. It was super scummy, my 2nd worst case scenario happened, and most likely BH/HF are going to get NK'd and we're going into D3 with almost no information and 2 mafia alive. | ||
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On June 08 2017 23:39 Tumblewood wrote: not like i have anything overtly scummy but i think we've been giving conversion too much credit for not doing much to influence the game. still could be town but ehhhh i have too many townreads as it stands no offense but what have you done besides roleclaim d1 and making small comments on Vivax vs HF? by your logic you shouldn't be getting a free pass (if you live through N2) just because you claimed doctor and did nothing while bragging about your ability at how good you are at mafia like if I had a blue role am I allowed to claim and just fuck off somewhere and tell everyone I'm contributing, yet use that argument to try and make others be possibly scum? shrug | ||
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players alive: BTDT Grack ritoky Holyflare Blazinghand Prison Break LightningStrike Tumblewood Me! BH/HF dies, or after N2 and someone else dies: Tumblewood: Need Tumblewood to “claim” who he saved. Was he RB’d again? Typical setup I assume includes a Mafia RB with a doctor—although, could he be scum saying he got “RB’d” to get a free townie pass? Brags about how good he is at mafia, flies under the radar, names people for an optimal lynch, but just hides under his doctor claim and really does nothing. Pretty shaky at best if doc/RB doesn’t exist (I have no idea how setups work, so yell at me if I'm being stupid pls), when do we stop giving him a free pass because of his doctor claim, or do we just buy into him being doctor and not contributing to the game with his godly mafia skillz (self-proclaimed) BH/HF: Whichever one of BH/HF dies I’m inclined to look into, as both are pretty much in control of town’s direction and information. Very strong possibility of them working together for an endgame by establishing themselves as town leaders (although might be unlikely with the Fidei lynch.. although HF and BH both were not at the beginning of that wagon. this is a speculation at best I’d need to flesh it out more as BH pushed Fidei iirc) Good possibility of TW-BH/HF team as well. Doctor claim could have been instrumented.. idk this is getting pretty tin foil hatty so I’ll stop BTDT and PB might be just two townies bickering at each other at who is more scummy. TBH I’m not really suspicious of either of them. PB isn’t actively pushing for anything except replying to BTDT and BTDT is just tunneling in on PB. Not sure(?) why he’s not pursuing anyone else if there’s five people on his list, but eh. Between these two I’m still more wary of BTDT, but his play seemed much better D2? Still flashes of his D1 “I’m insulted and I’m going to rage” in his last few posts, but honestly dude push other people than PB. You two are shitting up the thread by bickering with each other like HF and Vivax usually did. Push me, push LS, push anyone else on your list and stop quitting halfway through when people argue back. Why do you quote your list of 5 people that are unsure, go “this is a good list” and then not do anything but tunnel on PB for like 10 posts? Tubesock is still my top town read. Grack I still have no idea how to read. Lots of jokes, questions, a back and forth with ritoky, jabs here and there, more jokes. shrug. wants to lynch between me and ritoky and I’m town soo what makes me scummy and worthy of a D3 lynch Grack? How about ritoky? especially if you mislynch D3 you’re at LYLO (3 town 2 mafia, is LYLO, right?), assuming TW gets "roleblocked" again and we don't save anyone. LS just seems lazy.. or doesn’t care as much. I know I stopped caring about D2 basically because game was unfun and I left it to grind other games. hopefully he’ll say more once we get the NK info and on D3. I want to believe ritoky is town but I might just be biased because he guided me to make reads and helped me make attempts to contribute with reads, but his posts since then have been less than good. Honestly after N2 I want to hone in on whatever TW is doing because it’s not much (if he’s not dead). I’m not sure why he’s being so inactive if being RB’d means he gets to live and make a lot of good townie plays with him not being NK’d if Mafia are just content. Whoever dies between BH/HF might be scum, but seems a little far-fetched, imo. | ||
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That was a post I made after filtering through some of the earlier posts, filters, and reading through D2. I'm hopefully going to be able to get some more answers on D3 as a mislynch would put us in a game-losing situation unless someone not named you or BH steps up... pretty dangerous for town to be two people generating content or posting more and the others either AFKing or tunneling on people instead of trying to force information out of others I'm going to go get groceries and cook dinner now. I'll be back after NK flip. | ||
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call me a pessimistokay gone for real now bbl | ||
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so the scenarios can be: TW is doctor HF is vigi, makes it a balanced set up because we don't have a mislynch. Fidei is godfather to mindgame town into trying to figure out if there's a cop or not. We have 3 claims. A doctor, vigi, and third role (most likely cop?). In which case we try to figure out who's fakeclaiming in this case (my suspicion goes to TW because like.. dude you're not doing anything and you probably fakeclaimed to save yourself and maybe try to out the real doctor as well) I mean I don't really want to give TW a pass but if no one else is claiming, he is the real doctor, right? Or is a one blue, RB/godfather setup likely as well? Sorry for the questions, and thanks for answering them grack/LS! Just making sure I understand this stuff before I make a push based on things happening before | ||
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initial view is that I want to believe HF/ritoky are the correct claims and TW is a lazy, dodgy, I-fly-under-the-radar scum, but I should look into it more. also what does crumb mean? does that mean leaving little clues in that your play is centered around your role, but not actually revealing it, helping you when you do blue claim down the line? good to know that BTDT and Grack returned green. I really hope PB is just a town bickering with a town BTDT in that case, which leads to a TW/HF/ritoky-LS team at a small glance at my initial thoughts post before N2 ended. | ||
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I understand HF and BH, but why you? well I sort of don't understand either HF or BH because I had them as pretty strong town reads. the only reason I kept doubts for them was because people were talking about how HF could pull off this sort of play as scum and the possibility of a HF-BH scum team might have been there. but why you? what do we solve in checking you, who's been inactive and not contributing much? to get rid of an AFKer out of our mislynch pool? but why not me, PB, BTDT, even tumblewood? what gives us more information in checking you over any other "suspicious" townie | ||
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On June 09 2017 03:17 LightningStrike wrote: If you are vig shoot into me HF or BH. If you are a cop check into me HF or BH. That way the game is solved easier for us. Here's the actual quote if you want it | ||
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On June 09 2017 12:05 LightningStrike wrote: Me so I wouldn't be a question mark BH so we got better info about Day 1 HF so we know if he's town or not since he plays a strong scum game. ya but let's say the cop was BTDT and he had 5 question marks. why check you over any of the other 5? | ||
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On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that. reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. D1 read on BTDT, claims him as scum. once he is unsure because of the emotional play, he checks BTDT, and drops the entire case on BTDT and gives small town reads on him afterwards. D2 ritoky argues with Grack, finds him suspicious, checks him. claims D3, confirmed cop. either he's mindfucking me and set this up since D1 with scum, or he's actually cop. I'm inclined to believe he's more cop than HF/TW lying about their claim. TW who did you try to save N2 and did you get RB'd? | ||
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On June 09 2017 12:13 LightningStrike wrote: He was having second thoughts on me I think? Just so he get a confirmed read right. At least I know PB was having second thoughts sort of about my alignment. I mean on the flip side, he could be confident that you're mafia and is trying to figure out the second one, so he reads grack. grack turns out to be town, now he's sure you're teamed with mafia and possible +1. He's looking to see if there is any way his claim can make a possible scum realm within blue claims, so maybe he waits a little bit (or he's busy, seems like he's a busy person). he sees HF claims vigi, ritoky sees this and claims cop, mafia team is you-TW, checkmate mafia? that might have been his thought process when making that play. so what makes you not mafia? like no offense you have 11 pages of filter and I'm not seeing you doing anything | ||
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Ritoky is actually cop. Reading through his filter and his claim, the play makes sense. It backs mafia into a corner because now they have to scramble to justify their fake blue claim and try to sheep town onto the correct claim. So it's basically HF vs Ritoky. Ritoky is very much likely to die N3 I think. If I was scum, I'd want to shoot Ritoky or RB him (if there is a roleblocker) to prevent any more information getting out for D4, otherwise we can just leave the blue shit behind us and find the last mafia and have ritoky check HF or TW and town wins the game. Obviously mafia won't do that, so we should focus on this day figuring out who is scummates with HF or TW, and lynching him. I might be wrong, but I think mafia may try to tunnel all their focus on pushing the focus of D3 into who is the blue claim liar, and try to misdirect town into mislynching the correct blue claim and killing off ritoky. I think that's the best mafia player here, which is why I suggest we pressure non-blue claimed players and finding the last scummate. More likely than not whoever is mafia is going to either fight really hard to keep attention off his last scummate, or bus him and try to play out of a 50/50 lynch chance with 4 townies and 1 scum. Any thoughts? I may be missing something | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:01 Tumblewood wrote: well if half the game has gone to bed then it seems i didn't do any harm. honestly i don't trust anyone in this game to make a good decision besides vivax, grack, and bh, even if i start shitting town rainbows. just lotsa people who read people for bad reasons. with two hours i can argue myself out of a 4-3 situation but not 6-2 without a claim | ||
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On June 09 2017 12:45 Tumblewood wrote: this completely misses the point of what i says. of course a fakeclaim allows me to survive D1, but what is the advantage of that if we lynch fidei D1 anyway? a fakeclaim as scum is always a ticking time bomb so we might as well give fidei a shot if that's really the case oh okay, sorry. read that incorrectly. I guess it doesn't make sense that you would bus onto Fidei so readily instead of trying to get people onto a different train, but would your vote have made a difference? assuming two mafia are on the Fidei bus vote, who could you have convinced to hammer PB instead of Fidei? Also if BH saw people getting off the Fidei train, he most likely would have put his vote back in... like he said he was an "honorary" member and his entire argument was that the Fidei vote wasn't in danger. I'd have to read his D1 filter again, but I don't think he wanted to sheep any other vote. so you survive, you ride the Fidei vote to clear your blue claim, sets you up for a solid defense later in the game. | ||
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On June 05 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Final Vote Count Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood (2): Prison Break (2): Conversion, beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, Vivax (1): LightningStrike (1): Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni (0): Holyflare (0): Conversion (0): Fidei86 will be lynched. So assume two people are on Fidei that are Mafia with BH voting grack b/c he's fooling around and doesn't see any other bussing happening elsewhere, while being very active during deadline. Take two people off Fidei (Let's say Grack and you for example) and you're at this: Fidei86 (4): Onegu, Put those votes on PB, you're at 4 on PB 4 on Fidei. I'm pretty sure Fidei gets lynched first in this case, so you'd have to convince someone else, but the moment BH sees this 4v4 he'll probably put his vote on Fidei making it 5:4. So you'd need to convince HF, LS, or Tubesock off a Fidei train in like 15 minutes (or however fast this train happened), or you just safely bus onto your mate and your blue claim lets you live. IDK it just seems like it'd be a long shot to try to convince someone in that small window of time. I just feel like it's safer to just bus onto your mate with the way things are happening and try to pin scum on people outside of that bus. Also without your blue claim I'm not sure if Fidei would have died anyways, but I can't speak to events that might have happened | ||
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like what makes us scummy. you haven't been playing this game at all, you haven't died with a doc claim, and now you're stuck in a spot where we have 3 blue claims with you having the least town cred and absolutely no credibility in helping the game move in any direction | ||
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which is absolute bollocks to me because I have no idea what you normally do as townie. for what it's worth I'm almost certain scum team is you and LS, but I'd rather have other people weigh in and read their decisions instead. If anyone wants to know my reason why I think scum team is LS and TW: Out of the 3 blues, TW is the most suspicious. This is the most active he's been because he realizes he can't just coast his doctor claim to LYLO and then win by convincing one of the townies. I actually think that Fidei might have been inactive and when the shenanny happened, LS and TW made an executive decision to bus Fidei instead of trying to swing a 6-2 (7-2 with BH if he's on Fidei) onto a townie and possibly fail. The fact that TW is completely ignoring LS town play and reading me, pb, and even tubesock before LS is suspicious to me. good night peeps I'll catch up on the thread tomorrow. | ||
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Here's the quote: Thanks! On June 09 2017 12:27 Conversion wrote: OK here's the way I'm seeing it: Ritoky is actually cop. Reading through his filter and his claim, the play makes sense. It backs mafia into a corner because now they have to scramble to justify their fake blue claim and try to sheep town onto the correct claim. So it's basically HF vs Ritoky. Ritoky is very much likely to die N3 I think. If I was scum, I'd want to shoot Ritoky or RB him (if there is a roleblocker) to prevent any more information getting out for D4, otherwise we can just leave the blue shit behind us and find the last mafia and have ritoky check HF or TW and town wins the game. Obviously mafia won't do that, so we should focus on this day figuring out who is scummates with HF or TW, and lynching him. I might be wrong, but I think mafia may try to tunnel all their focus on pushing the focus of D3 into who is the blue claim liar, and try to misdirect town into mislynching the correct blue claim and killing off ritoky. I think that's the best mafia player here, which is why I suggest we pressure non-blue claimed players and finding the last scummate. More likely than not whoever is mafia is going to either fight really hard to keep attention off his last scummate, or bus him and try to play out of a 50/50 lynch chance with 4 townies and 1 scum. Any thoughts? I may be missing something | ||
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@ritoky honestly the reason why I don't see the need for a blue lynch is that we can just have HF shoot TW. If mafia RBs HF and kills him, TW looks bad and we get another read with your cop powerz. If you die and no one got shot, HF isn't vig and we have our scum between TW and HF. IDK maybe I'm missing something again | ||
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On June 10 2017 02:12 Holyflare wrote: Let's say tw is mafia, hypothetically. He claimed doctor to save himself day 1. What excuse does he have to be alive? None. What can mafia do to make him have an excuse to be alive? Claim rb. What other excuse is there for him to possibly be alive as mafia other than that? That's what I thought too.. I'm trying to think of reasons why TW might not be mafia, but all of his arguments are way too convenient | ||
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On June 10 2017 04:07 kitaman27 wrote: ![[image loading]](https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/theresa-may-lord-buckethead-united-kingdom-election.jpg) I can't understand why it's so difficult for the Brits to realize that Lord Buckethead is the only politician (and intergalactic overlord) that truly represents the interests of the common folk. who is this guy randomly popping in claiming lord buckethead over elmo. scum lynch | ||
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On June 10 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote: From my PoV it's one of Covnersion, PB, and Tubesock by PoE alone. PB seems likely town by meta. So that leaves Conversion and Tubesock as my last scum there. Tubesock did vote 2nd on James but if TW was the roleblocker he probably would do that bus honestly. Conversion I liked some of his posts after I read his filter a bit but his weird reaction to the flip seems odd defending himself about being a team with PB. So ya One of Tubesock and Conversion is my last scum you? are you seriously calling me possible scum in a post I made during D2 in reply to BTDT saying I was a scum team with PB? can you make a better case than that? | ||
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On June 10 2017 05:10 ritoky wrote: his case is PoE, what is wrong with it? you think it is TW + LS right? can you give me your best 3-5 reasons on why LS is mafia. I'm fine with him doing a PoE read on me or tubesock, but as I said before his entire game is just putting a few comments here and there and then not really contributing, so I want to read his thoughts on his PoE scum reads instead of "these are my scum reads by PoE" and leaving it at that. in terms of why LS can be mafia: My first major point is that he doesn't do anything significant in the game. He sheeps, his excuse being that his townie play is based around sheeping when I called him out for his lack of presence. I don't know how he plays, he doesn't back it up with anything, and just leaves it at that. The distancing between TW-LS can be a solid play between them to not link them to each other in case one of them slips. I'm leaving the possibility of TW-LS bussing Fidei while he was AFK at the end of deadline a possibility, then spreading votes out D2 to make sure they do not look like they are agreeing on the same stance. LS also voted late D2 if I remember correctly, so bussing Vivax might have given away too much information He asked to for blues to shoot/check him over the night. When I asked him why, he said to "clear his position up" When I asked if you could have not checked him b/c you strongly think he is mafia, he just acknowledges the possibility and then argument ends there. If I was town, I would never ask blues to check/shoot me to clear misconceptions-- I would try to look as townie as possible so blues have a narrower range of targets to clear, especially an unclaimed cop. IDK asking to get blue checked instead of playing the game seems pretty scummy to me. although that last point can just be frustrated townie play as well, so meh. Also this is in case TW is not scum. If HF is lying about his claim, I do not think LS is mafia. I don't see the possibility of a HF-LS team (especially with the way HF has pushed LS all game) | ||
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On June 10 2017 07:49 Tumblewood wrote: objection. it should go like this: hf -> (rit if that doesn't work) -> pb -> (conv if that doesn't work) -> (ts if that doesn't work) possible mafia -> mislynch -> mislynch -> mislynch -> possible mafia game losing order right there | ||
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On June 10 2017 07:45 ritoky wrote: alright fuck it bois. ritoky btdt grackaroni conversion PB we down to auto this shit? any objection? I'm okay with this tbh if you're cop. the person I don't like most is PB but I like him better than TW/HF/Tube tbh I can't tell if LS is town or not with his rage play but we'll see | ||
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On June 10 2017 09:59 Tumblewood wrote: hf, if you die and flip cop i am 100% switching to making sure town lynches the right person in 2v1 lylo. i understand there's no chance we lynch ritoky before me in a claim war. fortunately i very much doubt it'll come to that why would hf flip cop | ||
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On June 10 2017 12:54 Prison Break wrote: I don't think I'd mind a Tubesock lynch if we're right and the 3 PR's get left alive, that's good as only 1 can get rb'd but if one get nightkilled we're one closer to it but only if we're really certain on tubesock though, thoughts on this? idk this clusterfuck of claim arguing is making me want to lynch one to get information since I have no idea wtf is going on besides a lot of yelling and a lot of nothing being learned | ||
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On June 10 2017 23:05 Holyflare wrote: I'm pretty sure I did a lot of educational work instead of arguing? Wasn't referring to you I meant if TW is town start working on convincing me andnprobably PB and BTDT (assuming they are both town) to get votes off him because his lack of presence N2 D2 isn't helping his hf is scum over me case | ||
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On June 11 2017 02:44 Holyflare wrote: Not Voting (3): Conversion, ritoky, Grackaroni kind of pathetic guys? chill out dood was having some lunch on a nice saturday for once here also I'm not getting any new information that's making me want to switch my vote it's going on TW. if anyone thinks I'm wagoning I've been suspicious of TW since N2, so go read my filter if you want also PB I don't want a free pass as town, but my goal going into D3 was to make myself look as townie as possible, so I will continue to play like I have been and if you still think I'm scum then what can I do | ||
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On June 11 2017 03:07 Prison Break wrote: I townread you, not sure how many pages you're behind I'm on TW + TS now, if not TS maybe LS, but I townread both LS and you, you a little more oh okay lol sorry game's been pretty stale for me and I was out eating | ||
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On June 11 2017 03:38 Holyflare wrote: honestly I'm really surprised nobody has used the "hf keeps saying all these bad things about ritoky so he's setting up a mislynch for tomorrow" excuse yet hmm switching my lynch to you now bc this site tells me you're always mafia | ||
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On June 11 2017 08:01 Tumblewood wrote: the shenanny had no brakes but the only person who actually card about it being fidei was onegu. i had the opportunity to call for pb's lynch or even conv's lynch but you'll notice that every time i brought it up i showed a clear preference for fidei I had a vote on PB already and Grack only followed you because you were on Fidei, so no. you actually could have redirected it to PB and you didn't | ||
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If you can take Grack, LS, BH, and Tubesock, that means you would have influenced 3 townies. If that was a play you could have made, you would have done so D1 to save Fidei from being lynched. Obviously if BH wasn't so ready to jump back onto Fidei you would have tried to bus someone else, but convincing people in the last 10 minutes or so to switch all their votes over onto a PB bus would have made you and anyone else that jumps look suspicious, so it makes more sense if you're not confident in switching the votes over to stay and bus Fidei. | ||
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So I’ll keep this early part of my post because it still keeps up the scenarios that were in my head. TW ended up being doctor (sorry TW, I’ll apologize more post-game!! I’m still learning and this game has been weird af) So that means either HF or ritoky is lying. Whoever lives through N3 honestly is scum. There can possibly be a play where mafia keeps HF/ritoky alive, but I think it’s more dangerous to them to do so rather than try mindgames after the TW death. HF is lying: If he’s lying, all my reads are out the window. I’d have to double check his interactions with a lot of people to determine who his scum mate is, but I think this is about an equal chance to ritoky lying. HF mentioned ritoky’s “crumbs” being bad, and it might be a possible last play to try and out the last blue, but IDK. ritoky is lying: HF’s and other people’s posts on ritoky’s crumb not being great made me think about them critically, and yeah I have to agree it doesn’t make sense. Grack is the only one that sort of makes sense, but to not check his strongest scum read in LS (which I quoted and pushed LS for…) seems a little weird. So remaining players once HF dies, now that ritoky has outed himself: Me PB LS Tubesock Grack BTDT ritoky I know I’m town, and I think LS is town with the way he played towards the tail end of D3. I think his play is easily set up for a mislynch, although no one is 100% in my eyes yet. Tubesock with his big post on BTDT looks like he might setting up for a great push as town, so I want to put him in my town pile. Which leaves people between Grack-BTDT-PB. Grack/BTDT obviously the most suspicious because ritoky townread two of them. I read people as being scum when they were being sparse/inactive posters, so I’m hesitant to say Grack might be scum (bc that’s how we got Vivax/TW mislynches, context ignored) BTDT’s play makes more sense as scum if ritoky is his scummate, so I’d have to filter dive him to make sure, or really just what Tubesock posted. I didn’t like his play D1, thought being emotional and QQing was a town read (as some of the others said) and moved on to analyze scum as not being either PB or BTDT as I thought that it was two townies arguing. I think PB is town. I think we could leave ritoky alive and try to lynch BTDT to see if he flips scum, or we could lynch ritoky ASAP to make the situation into a 4v1 and then afford a mislynch if BTDT is not scum for whatever reason. I’m inclined to believe (now that I’m caught up) that ritoky + BTDT is the most likely from the play (I have no idea why ritoky outed himself because I would have pushed you very hard, and a lot of people would have looked at you funny if TW died and you didn’t die N3, but that’s beyond me) | ||
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BTDT is still pulling his "wahh wahh QQ you guys are bullying me card" even until NIGHT 3. Which is like, dude play the game. As I mentioned before, I feel like the best way to make this game easy is to try hard and, as HF said, be transparent as you have nothing to hide if you're town. Like if you're actually playing the game instead of raging every other string of posts you made, that would be helpful. I gave him the benefit of the doubt past D1, but at this point in the game how is this helping the town like if HF asked me to make a big post and I called him a big bully for pressuring me and not anyone else, how does that give town more information? How does that help the town environment? you've been actively fighting against it. even TW who I scum read way harder than you posted a lot in D3 and gave up towards the end once he saw the amount of votes on him, but he never raged until way later (to HF). He probably got pushed 100x harder than you did and you're still raging | ||
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I have 6 pages of filter and all of your quotes are from D1.. please build an actual case against me so I can shut your scummy ass down like everyone else did with your "Conversion must be scum bc correct grammar and I lied about being on a phone once so he must be too" | ||
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On June 12 2017 03:07 beentheredonethat wrote: You have six pages of filter, you have done nothing all game and I don't even know your reads besides "btdt" is scum which, oh damn what a coincidence, is currently thread sentiment. except you forget the entire D2 part where I said you're not scum umm hello? oh sorry let me be nice to you so you don't pull your rage I QQ this game sucks everyone is a bully card | ||
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here I'll be nice and break it down for you: find me a bunch of quotes in my 6 page, inactive, meager, useless post filter like you're saying, point out where I'm not trying to help town discussion and prove that I'm scum without quoting shit from only one day out of a 3 day 3 night length game. then convince the other town to lynch me, push it as hard as you can with your tunneling shit play, and then I get lynched, flip town, and you lose the game thanks | ||
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On June 12 2017 03:09 Conversion wrote: it's to show how ironic your argument is, but I guess that flew over your head too here I'll be nice and break it down for you: find me a bunch of quotes in my 6 page, inactive, meager, useless post filter like you're saying, point out where I'm not trying to help town discussion and prove that I'm scum without quoting shit from only one day out of a 3 day 3 night length game. then convince the other town to lynch me, push it as hard as you can with your tunneling shit play, and then I get lynched, flip town, and you lose the game thanks | ||
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On June 12 2017 03:40 LightningStrike wrote: Just got back home from lunch after waking up at 11:00 am CST: We lynch ritoky first but while lynching him we do need to figure out the last scum between you and btdt. If we got a cop should check btdt. If we got a vig they should shoot btdt I think that will solve the game for us from that point. I'm tempted to just wagon myself and have myself lynched and flip town so BTDT can look stupid on D4 because he seems to lack any sort of skill to build up a case on anyone besides the person replying to him | ||
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anyone else here can answer as well: what do you think, if ritoky is Mafia, that the chances are with ritoky setting me up for a mislynch (and anyone else on his "auto list") with him reading me as town and BTDT pushing me as hard, albeit feebly, as he is this night and next day? like I'm actually seeing no effort from BTDT except him yelling at me saying I'm inactive and I'm not making contributions, while his filter is all just lots of shit thrown everywhere and hoping it sticks to a wall, so not sure how that's any sort of case built on me. the only thing that's bugging me is would ritoky actually include his own scummate in his auto list AND his cop check list? | ||
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On June 12 2017 04:08 Grackaroni wrote: I think you're reading too far into Ritoky's list. Focus more on people's filters than who Ritoky included in his list because it's mostly WIFOM. Also I'm kind of curious why you find me so hard to read. because you make a lot of jokes, don't really push hard on anyone (besides ritoky that one time), and randomly AFK'd all of D3 idk man just can't get a solid read on you that's all | ||
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lynching ritoky makes everyone go afk and on the low chance btdt is not scum, we lost a whole day of information bc auto lynch reason why I think btdt is scummy: his arguments in the last night actually did it for me. his entire case on me just seems like a desperate play to flag me as scum... but all of his quotes were from D1. he doesn't mention that I town read him D2, scum read PB, and flipped on D3. also his arguments are "he felt this at one point in the game and doesn't care about it later," yet I explain most of my reads, even if they are unjustified, at every point in the game. you can refer Tube's megaquote on BTDT, but his "contribution" and "activity" is basically him yelling at people, quoting irrelevant shit, making himself look like town by opposing lynches that he obviously knows are town (Vivax, TW) I ask him to build a relevant case on me, and he dodges me and doesn't do anything. Just throws passive aggressive comments at me to try and piss me off (which didn't work), calls me out for not contributing anything when he hasn't done much to prove that his town. On June 12 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote: This is complete bullshit. I am not trying to justify a lynch based on activity. I posted a "what if" post, just to make people aware, and then went on to look at things. I have not tried to lynch someone based on activity. "Please build an actual case against me"? Bra, why so defensive? I'm skimming the thread, checking if I find something because once I flipped green, people will realize my thoughts are genuine. Why should I, a scummer, case you? Why are you saying "look past D1", and then throw something at me that is from, oops, D1? On June 12 2017 03:10 beentheredonethat wrote: And how is D2 relevant because right now, you're scumreading me and that is all I am saying in the originally quoted post? You're super eager to lynch me so can you please have actual reasons and not just say what the thread is saying, because D2, OH WHAT A COINCIDENCE, also other people started townreading me? Do you have actual opinions and reads that are your own? Funny, because I doubt he has any reads/opinions of his own besides tunneling on one person (namely me and PB, the newbies. ironically PB is not that much of a mafia newbie as I am, so it's easier to pick on me for irrelevant shit and avoid giving his opinions while he yells at PB for being inactive and scummy all day) His arguments are bad, he still isn't contributing anything to the town, and his shit-slinging posts are more detrimental than not because he's attempting to devolve them into shouting matches. With his behavior all game and how he absolutely refused and dodged to actually build a legitimate case, reads, and be transparent, I'm almost entirely sure this guy is the last scum. | ||
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I'm not sure if mafia is able to not roleblock someone, so IDK. might be a weak argument, so I'd like some thoughts on it. In addition to my last post: I do not believe that anyone can be that bad at mafia for that long without being scum. Like I'm sure there are bad plays you can make as town, but my opinion is that you can't be afraid of making bad plays if you know you are town. However, you have to be more careful if you're scum and that sort of caution can be hidden under the guise of emotional rage, threatening to afk, and essentially throwing a tantrum. So just as we cannot give a free pass to people being inactive on this day (I hope people start posting later in the day), we cannot give them a free pass anymore for being emotional and playing the QQ card, or raging at people and not helping the discussion and calling people out for things he is refusing to do and making excuses for. This is basically mislynch into LYLO, as we'll be at 3/2 if we don't catch scum, so we need everyone to give their opinion, reads, and partake in a discussion. On June 12 2017 08:59 Holyflare wrote: Make sure you talk. As much as possible | ||
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On June 12 2017 22:04 Tubesock wrote: oh and thought TW was the fakeclaim pretty quickly (as did most people really sans me). He was ok with the TW lynch. He towned TW for a shortwhile before the claim wars. Otherwise he didn't have much to say about TW. yeah I just found it ironic he yelled at me, asking me if I had any reads or opinions of my own, but he basically sheeped ritoky's vote D2 | ||
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On June 12 2017 23:08 beentheredonethat wrote: Ritoky should we concede? ?? is it game over | ||
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TL is the only place I played mafia and my games are in the database also my first town game was horrible I think I just AFKed the whole game and almost got mislynched | ||
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On June 14 2017 08:45 Tubesock wrote: I had a string of 3 games in a row I was miss lynched day one. yikes, that sucks | ||
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the more I think about his last day post the more suspicious I get idk he's my weakest townread right now | ||
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maybe that's how this game works | ||
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so most likely mafia is gonna leave me alive and try and push my lynch or LS' lynch if I am right and Grack and PB are both town, I think my filter can read like I am scummates with ritoky I'm trying to guess who's going to be the NK, but if Tube dies IDK who the last mafia is LS thinks it's me, I think it's Tube (unless he gets NK'd), PB also thinks it's tube idk what grack thinks | ||
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he plays us in D2 like a fiddle and talks about the possibility of HF being mafia and pushes it a lot, doesn't even pay attention to ritoky's claim and tunnels in HF being mafia I guess that can look town but it seems weird to just tunnel in on one of the claims instead of the other two ? ? says he likes btdt some time in his filter (like page 4 or something) and then all of a sudden with the ritoky claim and HF dying saying to shoot/lynch btdt, he flips and completely tunnels and advocates the btdt lynch ritoky's claim could have been a play to make town suspect BTDT over anyone else, and an easy push into mislynch as he already looked pretty scummy to a lot of the players, or barely town he even says this: On June 10 2017 20:38 Tubesock wrote: I don't think you've done anything that mafia!HF can't do. I would have believed you if you claimed something other than vig. I looked back at their filters. I think the answers will be there. People usually plan their fake claims a couple days in advance so there's no way they don't have precanned answers for the predictable questions that we will have. I am considering Ritoky for the points you brought up. I haven't researched how Ritoky does claims but that's on my to do list. Part of me thinks that he would put in work so that it's not too obvious to mafia that he just checked someone. I am wondering why he still checked btdt, but am willing for him to answer as he's already been asked in thread. and doesn't do it also this ritoky spam about how he should be lynched and shit and tubesock saying the opposite play is okay as town can be some like supreme mindfuck to town because there's no discussion going on at all so whoever posts the most logical thing on the most scummy looking person across all town is probably the one we're gonna follow | ||
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your filter is filled with nothing is this how he usually plays town? | ||
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also you're like #1 suspect to me without me doubting my town reads because you passively just switched to btdt, gave no argument or reasoning, and now your top scum read is me, unless I'm reading your post to my question incorrectly | ||
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On June 14 2017 08:58 LightningStrike wrote: You probably you and ritoky had 1 weird interaction when I had you as part of my PoE scum plus your EoD 2 reaction to the Vivax flip seemed weird? | ||
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and my EoD 2 reaction was in reply to BTDT calling me possible scummates with PB so why I am scummy on your list? elaborate stop being silent pls ty | ||
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Prison Break Grackaroni Conversion is what I think so it's a tossup between TS and LS | ||
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which I honestly have no idea. maybe I'll go digging at his older games | ||
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Tubesock soft defenses on ritoky??: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote: Just in case: PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game. Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia. HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5. Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that. reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet. Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town. LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names. Mafias Most likely further down. Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS. Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him. beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone. Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible. + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2017 16:19 Tubesock wrote: I like Ritoky's filter better. Your argument with him just isn't convincing to me. Basically, he's scum because he only talked about him once (and scummed him) but called you out because you should have said something about Fidei? I towned you earlier because of your shitfight with BH and you scummed btdt. But then later only had 1 guess and that was BH. I also don't like how it's fairly difficult to keep track of your reads. I'm having a hard time believing the whole emotional btdt is town bit. And think he's more likely mafia than you. or anyone else outside the Cop stuff. idk the more I read his filter, the more I find myself flipping back and forth on my town/scum read on him it's confusing as hell | ||
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On June 07 2017 17:15 Blazinghand wrote: By the way, this describes TO THE DOT what tubesock has been doing today: Note that he wants to lynch HF, but never VOTES HF. due tot he pressure. He wants to kill both HF AND Vivax though. He also wants to lynch Vivax first if and only if Vivax recants. I'm not saying Tubesock is scum, but in my opinion if you think both Vivax and HF are town, Tubesock should be your #1 scumread. | ||
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In which case they shoot off HF, and now town devolves into this weird environment caused by ritoky loudly yelling and claiming. Before HF dies, they RB and NK him to doubly make sure he dies in case he is vet because he is the biggest asset town has had and he's been alive way too long. So now ritoky does all this yelling, spamming shit, calling us idiots, making sure to make his presence known while TS does what he's been doing all game to enact the plan they put in while Fidei was AFK/sleeping. Plan for Mafia is going to be NKing the more "confirmed" townies off, probably the more active ones too, and then just push for mislynches (as this seems pretty easy to do, this town environment has been pretty lackluster with BH and HF gone) | ||
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I thought BTDT was scummy because of his posts (the one where he asked ritoky if they should concede.. like wtf) and him tunneling in on me super hard when I know I'm town. Also the lack of defense on his end when I told him to build a serious case on me because he was flipping between Conversion is town vs Conversion is not town. whereas tubesock just came outta nowhere and was like wHAM BTDT is da mafia boiz let's lynch him. let me make a large sequential post with little spoiler messages but nothing really substantial and force a mislynch, since town seems to generally be OK with lynching BTDT over anyone else, so why not | ||
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On June 14 2017 13:29 Tubesock wrote: What is HF mean here? And you're believing a claimed mafia over a dead blue? I'm scum because I listened to what HF said and wanted us to do? Really? idk man I'm thinking of some weird theories and you're just the first one I fleshed out better than being dead silent and doing nothing | ||
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so like.. with BTDT gone there obviously has to be a play that mafia is making that we're not seeing | ||
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On June 12 2017 05:15 Holyflare wrote: Conversion and pb are not mafia. Ls is probably not mafia. Tube is very unlikely. Btdt/you Btdt most likely So i shoot  like his order of reads for mafia was btdt > grack > tubesock/ls somewhere >>>>>>>>>> me and pb | ||
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On June 14 2017 13:37 Tubesock wrote: Didn't you just say I'm mafia for pushing to lynch btdt before Ritoky? I never outright SAID you were mafia, I was saying this is a theory in a realm of possibilities that I'm trying to see and understand, no matter how unlikely | ||
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Tomorrow you will have 5vs2 tomorrow there will be 5 town 2 mafia You should lynch not ritoky because tomorrow will be 100% dead discussion and tube, your biggest asset right now, will die. do not lynch ritoky because if so there will be no discussion (lol dead discussion anyways bc we lynched btdt and no one really talked) the second part of it is grammatical confusing. it's either saying you will die or it is addressing you, saying that the town's biggest asset will die Lynching someone else is the most productive thing you can do. It doesn't change how many mislynches you get. lynching someone else besides ritoky is productive, since it doesn't chance the mislynch situation ?? what do you want me to analyze here | ||
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if you can enlighten me as to what we really got on D3 that would be nice aside from figuring out btdt wasn't scum from the lynch flip | ||
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On June 14 2017 08:46 Prison Break wrote: Probably tube but id have to filter everyone again On June 14 2017 11:40 LightningStrike wrote: BTW just read Tubesock's filter. I will admit it now a toss up on both conversion and Tubesock. Conversion EoD 2 reaction looked better after seeing the context explained about why he not scum with PB. Will have to reevulate both Tubesock and Conversion's filters by Day 6. didn't realize it was soo terrible to post some thoughts to have people discuss over when they're awake/inactive I didn't even say anything offensive, and I literally put these quotes in the header before I posted them: "although honestly this is getting really tinfoil hatty." "the only reason this tinfoil hat conspiracy theory exists in my head" like all peopel have to say is "lol no ur argument is stupid" don't take it personally pls I'm just trying to do things | ||
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"idk the more I read his filter, the more I find myself flipping back and forth on my town/scum read on him it's confusing as hell" so unless that's outright incriminating you as scum, lol anyways I'm going to bed. people can call me stupid or whatever but if you really think this is "spreading bullshit" then idk what to say to you you can drop a quotebomb on me like you did with btdt and try to convince ppl to push for my lynch if you think I'm scummy for posting stuff like that | ||
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On June 16 2017 06:19 ritoky wrote: can't help ya. i wasted my college years on league where i was diamond/masters for like 3 or 4 yrs straight. then women happened. oo nice. I quit after plat S2 cause they kept reworking heroes I played | ||
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On June 16 2017 06:51 ritoky wrote: yeah, i quit because i think riot took the game in a bad direction and i got a life. i enjoy watching dota tho, the much superior spectator esport imo.....a lot of that is because the casting quality is much higher tho. definitely agreed with riot's bad decisions on the game... they got an enormous foothold on the market so idk yeah dota's turned into a real nice spectator game. hated watching it back in dota1/early tournaments but recently it's been a blast | ||
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On June 19 2017 10:25 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly I still got a toss up on Conversion or Tubesock although I want to see if conversion is willing to talk. also ??? obviously if you think you are town it's a toss up between me and tube so what good is this statement | ||
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the only reason I'm hesitant is b/c it's LYLO and tube seems to be readily jumping on LS as the more sure mafia read and reading me as town. which is good, because I am town, but is that because he knows the setup with PB/Grack NKs make LS more suspicious than himself? not to mention LS doesn't get a lot of credibility with the Fidei wagon vote placement while Tube does (yolo 2nd vote) | ||
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also I was asleep when you two were talking believe it or mot but being dehydrated and malnourished due to everything coming straight out of my body isn't a pleasant state to be awake in if I'm wrong so be it but considering my condition right now I can't really be bothered to argue. if you think I'm scum for it put your vote on me and LS can hammer who he thinks is mafia-- if your possibility of me being mafia is now higher due to my play | ||
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also rereading things and stuff idk why I got off LS' case so easily? I think he has more to prove than you do considering he's done nothing really credible in this game at all LS I'm putting my vote on you until you can thoroughly convince me that you're not mafia. if we lose because tubesock is mafia is through other people's filter/evaluation of him, my sort of far reaching theory about him, and a decision from a gut feeling I made at 2 AM I've given you the benefit of the doubt through most of this game and idk man. it's LYLO and I understand you're at vacation but you're not giving me anything to work with | ||
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but you know what I'd rather stick to my play this game and be wrong LS I've been prodding at you all game to make contributions because I felt you haven't all game and you haven't done a good job of doing so if this is how you play town all the way up to LYLO, then sorry dude. I don't really know how you play, and I don't think it's indicative of a good town to be this lazy and AFK and not really seriously try to answer people trying to clear you up as a town read, while having lazily asked for blues to use their powers on you at night to clear up the game | ||
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On June 19 2017 10:37 Tubesock wrote: I'll skim those games. never showing doubt on lynches seems like something you could easily fix though. I think Ritoky could have quit for any number of reasons. Thought you were safe or just didn't think he had the time to go up against HF. Him quitting sure through up a lot of confusion though. Def WIFOM. The only things I can really see in Conversions filter is he over explains a bit and he did have a post where he said there's three claims and ebwop'd it to *if we get. It was within 20 minutes of Ritokys cop claim even. Kinda hilarious if it's a slip. | ||
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I might be reading it wrong, but you at least posted and pushed your convictions in GII, whereas you sort of just meandered about and contributed nothing you had me as a tossup with Tubesock, but the moment TS put his vote on you you built a case against him and didn't entertain the thought of me being scum (which you openly did in GII, but just said Grack looked scummier than PB) | ||
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might be because of your vacation, but if you knew that you were going to be on vacation and possibly be alive for LYLO you should have played more town than not. it's confusing as hell for me to try and read people when more than 80% of their filter is just them not saying anything even up until almost 3 hours before LYLO | ||
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I didn't like Tube's reaction at all to my push and just wanted to see how you would react. even though a lot of people that flipped town had you as probably town, idk Tube's play just felt super awkward to me as a townie. also I had him as scum pinned day1 and I wanted to stick to my play, and my read on you was basically this: "LS is super inactive so I don't know. He seems town, and I'm reading him as town (per my situation read before, the only time I saw him as Mafia was with some really good setup between TW and him, and TW flipped and LS' reaction seemed town more so than scum)" meh still was a fun game. gg all! | ||
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