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I'm here-- generally a hectic weekend personally so apologies that I was late! | ||
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On June 03 2017 21:31 Conversion wrote: Hi all! I'm here-- generally a hectic weekend personally so apologies that I was late! That's all fine and dandy but if you've been here for about an hour, why aren't you posting? [/QUOTE] I'm actually working today and was going to catch up later in the day, hence I said that generally it's a hectic weekend. Also, I understand that your timezone doesn't match up with the start of the game, but what are you going to get by pushing me, who is not experienced at all at Mafia, and making me post more? What about the other half of the thread that isn't making any sort of post that you can push for more information as well? It feels counterproductive to me (although I can see the flip side of the argument of letting me lurk lets me fly under the radar if I am scum by playing the newbie card, but I would assume veteran players can pressure me into slipping later on in the game if I were) For me it seems like unnecessary posting just clutters up a lot of the points or distractions, being made here, and I'd rather spend a good chunk of the small amount of time I do have in my current situations understanding how Mafia games generally go and understanding when to push for points or make good posts. TL;DR real life things outside of my control has coincided with the start time of this game-- does not mean I am trying to be inactive to fly under the radar and lurk. | ||
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On June 04 2017 06:30 Fidei86 wrote: @ritoky I talked myself around on this a bit. Literally every game I've played with LS he's been inactive, with bad meta reads and links to filters. And every time he has been town. BH makes a good point that you have to try and work out if something is scummy for the person in question, and for LS the stuff that HF pinged out is null. LS' OMGUS drive against HF actually makes me think LS might be town - by reason of the fact that I don't know if LS as Mafia starts pushing HF based purely on OMGUS, who I presume is one of the most experienced players in the game. HF - his reads are thin and I think his LS read is wrong in particular. He has also kept pushing the TW read long after everyone else had sort of agreed and moved on. I think he probably is at a wedding tho, so his style makes sense in that context. I think it's a null-leaning slightly scummy read, but I definitely wouldn't lynch into him at the moment. Apart from the actual AFKers, the two people I'm most on at the moment are TW and Conversation, but for different reasons. We've all pinged out his weird read progression on TS earlier, but then when he finally comes back he comes in and gives two lazy-ass reads on me and ritoky (and yes, I know D1 association reads are garbage, but if one of those flips red later the other could be with them). And Conversation thread enters, leaves for almost a day, then comes back in and posts a huge WoT which basically just says nothing about the game at all. It basically flashes "I'm here and I don't care about the game", which is scumtell 101. In a way it's almost too flagrant, but I'm definitely not willing to give the benefit of the doubt at this stage. Can you explain how I am showing disinterest in the game? I meant to say that the general lack of posting and effort is due to personal reasons, and understood that from a mechanical POV that it could be scummy. I don't understand where the translation suddenly became "I don't care about this game." when I've been actually reading the thread carefully. I'd like an explanation so I can understand your scumtell 101 derived from my post. | ||
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On June 04 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote: shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game. Could you expand upon your read of why I make you feel weird about my alignment? I'd appreciate some effort into why you think my posts are scummy so I can understand how you think instead of what you and Fidei are doing, which is calling me weird or "scumtell 101" without actually expanding upon it. It feels rather off to me that people would let inactives pass, but rather unconstructed arguments based on feelings (you) can pass as constructive posts. | ||
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I'd also like to give Fidei the benefit of the doubt b/c I was cited in the past as acting pretty scummy here when I was floundering about from inactivity and lack of confidence. I would rather have on the board some confidence and a deconstruction of my post from Fidei to support your scumtell so you can push it harder to let me argue and refine your read on me. | ||
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On June 04 2017 08:42 ritoky wrote: don't worry about them. tell me who you think is town or mafia. re: post above I'm glad that both Vivax and Grack read me slightly as town, but I think I want to read more into their interaction and presence on the board before making definite assessments. I think Tubesock is pretty dodgy-- he opened up lightly with some jokey posting, but has no real good presence on the game right now. I'm surprised people are letting him fly under the radar when he's asking other people who they think are scum/what they're reads are but not really giving any information for himself | ||
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yet btdt and fidei are readily pressuring me either for explaining my situation, or calling me scummy by making conclusions from my post that I can't really see from rereading my post | ||
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On June 04 2017 08:57 ritoky wrote: i am fine with players being new or bad, i actually tend to read new or bad players relatively well. what i want more of from you is what you think and why. it doesn't have to be big elaborate posts or well constructed thoughts, i just need a window into your brain so i can try to read you. when you type things like "i am glad x and y are reading me town"; normally that would indicate to me that you're more concerned with your image in the thread and how others are perceiving you than you are about finding mafia. and maybe that is the case, i don't have a good enough feel for you yet. but i want less posts like that and more posts like "i think this guy is this alignment cuz x." even if x is 1 sentence or 1 quoted post or some vague feeling in your kidney. if you don't post your train of thoughts in the thread i can never follow you, it will just come off like scattered thoughts or large leaps in logic that are disconnected Understood! To summarize what I think: I think tubesocks is mafia. His contributions has so far been him trying to look like he is contributing. I believe he actually asked someone for their opinions on their reads without giving any of his own. I think Vivax and Grack are town. No real evidence, but I kept up with Generic II and they both just feel town to me right now with the way they're playing. Fidei might be scum, but I'm not sure. I find it really suspicious he's not giving me a benefit of the doubt and looking to push me as scum with one post on my end. Not saying I deserve a free town pass because I suck and I'm a newbie, but my experience in 2012 showed me that most experienced players ignored me as just that: a newbie until it became important for me to step up and contribute. PB is a neutral for me because the one game I saw him play here, I thought he was town in Generic II, and he's playing rather similarly. I want to say he's town right now. I have no idea how to read Tumble's aggression and BH's posts honestly. Those are probably the people I have the biggest opinions on. | ||
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On June 04 2017 09:36 ritoky wrote: What about PB's play is similar to you? I was obsing that game, and he seems far less certain and definitive thus far to me. Maybe I should be comparing his day1 and this game's day1, but I do recall him being very decisive in pushing his reads in the middle of the game. I'd have to filter him specifically, but his jump onto BTDT and explaining his stance on Fibei seemed pretty decisive and certain to me. I may also be recalling only PB's strong posts and not recalling his indecisive ones in either Generic II or this thread | ||
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Looking at when I made that post about Tube, he didn't have much to go off of. I was wrong about the read-- ok move on. l Your argument for me lying about being on a phone is basically "I did it once so he can do it too." That's a bad argument-- is that concise enough? Also I've been exclusively playing on my phone and am still trying to play-- you disappear for hours, come in and build a bad case against me, and blow off people for questioning your argument's logic and then preface that you're busy, yet again. You keep falling back on the "I'm a bad player" and your reads are basically lynch everyone except two people. If your feeling of me being scum is rising, then have some convinction instead of "lol lynch everyone except my one sure town read and another person that I'm not going to share my reasons with" | ||
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On June 05 2017 00:12 Tumblewood wrote: now this is the kind of tunneling I like to see don't tell me scum is using these points against anyone, because they're not Can you explain why you like BTDT's tunneling? I feel as if tunneling someone for weak reasons as above is more detrimental than not. | ||
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On June 04 2017 23:08 beentheredonethat wrote: Well I'm not exactly pushing you. It's more like it feels weird that you say "hey, I'm here" and then you leave again. That's just not helping. If you feel like helping, then at least make people ask you questions. "What do you think about the exchange of HF/TW?" "What do is your stance on Vivax?" this is something that helps making yourself more readable. You didn't especially invite people to ask those questions, on the contrary. You're saying "hey guys I'm somewhat playing" so everyone expects you to do things; except you're not doing things so boom, people even start scumreading you. "What about the others in here" is also not the greatest of things to say. There's no real reason for me to look into anyone right now as I didn't find too much that caught my attention as "super suspicious" (except for the PB thing, ofc), but somehow your "hi bras" post caught my attention. So, no, it's not "clutter" or "unproductive". On the contrary - my slight poke triggered a big "oh noes" post which contains a lot of speculation and "do not look at me". I'm totally fine with people looking into me. I'm town, after all, and I got nothing to hide, I don't have any restrictions in who I'm pushing etc. Also I find it rather odd that BH's play didn't catch his eye. I still can't comprehend why BH would aggressively pursue Grack as a liar, label him as scum based on that, and just disappear. The fact that even that isn't the least bit suspicious to BTDT and not a reason to look into "anyone else" as he mentioned is weird. Several quotes after that he completely glosses over the reads that ritoky guided me to make, just tunnels into the phone reason, calls me out for calling Tubesock dodgy and not scumreading him, and then gives up when people (including myself) call his argument bad. His argument is that he might be over-reading and not giving me leeway because I'm a newbie, but is BTDT really that bad of a mafia player to make all of these weak arguments, give up, then announce his lurking? Also where are Onegu and BH? Onegu only made posts about catching up and BH disappeared after his Grack scum push.. | ||
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On June 05 2017 04:43 Holyflare wrote: Ritoky literally told you to do SOMETHING ELSE 1-2 pages ago. Don't feed me this line of crap. You not mentioning PB since applies to posts before he was clearly brought up again. Either way, I do not care to be honest. I think you're suspicious but I have bigger fish to fry and want you to do something else. Conversion, I have one question for you. Have you phone posted every single post this game? Every post before today has been on my phone. | ||
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I can point out three posts where I have made typos that are uncharacteristic of me when I am in front of a computer (I don't really need to get into my personality here, but BTDT is making an argument about my characteristics in typing on a phone vs. a computer..) | ||
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On June 05 2017 05:15 Holyflare wrote: Conversion, you're in a tight spot in terms of BTDT so you are going to have to break things down into a few simple lines for me. Who do you think is mafia (exclude any posts about BTDT)? There are three of them so give me a simple line of why you think someone is mafia for each candidate please. The two I think are Mafia are BH and TW. TW because I didn't like any of his posts about town reads. He generally seems rather disinterested in doing anything on doing any useful reads, lazily labels people as town, doesn't build a case on anyone, and doesn't seem to do much except make the occassional post here and there. I still find BH's play super weird-- comical or not (which I can't tell), he's been doing nothing as well and with the arguments happening here, I feel like making posts for people to push/question is the way to clear yourself up. The last one is a pretty big tossup, but I'm leaning towards PB. He hasn't changed his view on BTDT and put off his analysis, but I'm not very confident on this one. I'm going to place my vote in soon and I'm off after that. On a side note I'm done posting on my phone so I'll be less active since it's causing some issues with my posts and apparently I'm not helping my case by playing on my phone. | ||
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