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On June 08 2017 05:10 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote:
vivax could maybe be town here but I just can't accept this kind of play. either he's mafia and needs to be lynched or he's town and deserves to be punished for being such a dumbass If he's town we should keep him alive, because our goal is to lynch scum, not town. I don't care about what he "deserves"—I want to win. However, he is scum.
sorry, I get what you're saying, but even if I knew for a fact vivax was town I would still do this. not that I've ever seen a bad fakeclaim and didn't think the guy was likely mafia, but I have too much respect for myself to prioritize a slightly better chance of the win over letting people get away with this shit
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On June 08 2017 05:12 beentheredonethat wrote:
This is amazing.
When Vivax had claimed: "Let's lynch the cop over the red-check"
When Vivax unclaimed: "I think he's town but let's lynch him anyways"
Take a step back guys and realize: we all townread Vivax apparently because what he did was bad as scum as well as as town. Like, really bad. Not just a bit bad. And while we all want to see blood, we won't fare well if we lynch a townie today. I'd lynch a lurker (yo, Prison Break, that's you) over Vivax any time.
And of course I'll take the second nomination for worst player 2017 if it turns out I hard defended scum twice :D
if you're scum and you have 6 votes on you a few hours from deadline are you just gonna stick with a claim no one believes? you've gotta do everything you can to make people second-guess it.
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On June 08 2017 05:16 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 05:14 Tumblewood wrote:On June 08 2017 05:10 Blazinghand wrote:On June 08 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote:
vivax could maybe be town here but I just can't accept this kind of play. either he's mafia and needs to be lynched or he's town and deserves to be punished for being such a dumbass If he's town we should keep him alive, because our goal is to lynch scum, not town. I don't care about what he "deserves"—I want to win. However, he is scum. sorry, I get what you're saying, but even if I knew for a fact vivax was town I would still do this. not that I've ever seen a bad fakeclaim and didn't think the guy was likely mafia, but I have too much respect for myself to prioritize a slightly better chance of the win over letting people get away with this shit oh please with the white knighting "good gameplay". either you think he's mafia cuz there's no sense to the play as town and lynch him or you don't.
I respect your opinion
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I still think he's mafia but this is a way of saying that vote isn't going anywhere
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On June 08 2017 05:19 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 05:18 Tumblewood wrote:On June 08 2017 05:12 beentheredonethat wrote:
This is amazing.
When Vivax had claimed: "Let's lynch the cop over the red-check"
When Vivax unclaimed: "I think he's town but let's lynch him anyways"
Take a step back guys and realize: we all townread Vivax apparently because what he did was bad as scum as well as as town. Like, really bad. Not just a bit bad. And while we all want to see blood, we won't fare well if we lynch a townie today. I'd lynch a lurker (yo, Prison Break, that's you) over Vivax any time.
And of course I'll take the second nomination for worst player 2017 if it turns out I hard defended scum twice :D if you're scum and you have 6 votes on you a few hours from deadline are you just gonna stick with a claim no one believes? you've gotta do everything you can to make people second-guess it. He unclaimed over 12 hours ago btw
I guess you're right, but I don't think it invalidates my logic.
this isn't part of the response but I doubt a VT fakeclaims and acts like they can afk and people will listen to them. if this is a real hothead move then why not keep arguing it after your claim?
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clean citizens
bh
ls
upstanding guys
ts
btdt
rit
grack
hf?
unscrupulous fellas
pb
conv
bad dude
vivax
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see, this is why we don't fakeclaim as town.
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anticipating another rb tonight but in case I die lynch within pb/conv tomorrow. my list still stands as a last will. it's not ordered
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not like i have anything overtly scummy but i think we've been giving conversion too much credit for not doing much to influence the game. still could be town but ehhhh i have too many townreads as it stands
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hmmmmm
everything lines up with hf being blue, except having a gf with no cop is a little weird. that could of course be one of those things they do to make the setup harder to figure out though
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On June 09 2017 09:53 LightningStrike wrote:
TBH though my balance thoughts: I don't think Doc Vig is actually a balanced at all because The vig could be blocked or the scum shot would be blocked by the doctor which makes shooting as vig pretty much throwing darts hoping they not hit a target that getting saved or shot by scum,.
it is balanced. if the vig shoots a doc target or mafia NK the target is going to be town anyway and you wouldn't even want to hit them
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note to self thread: conv and pb likely not together
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ritoky is the scum 90% of the time i think, looking at the claims. just so much setup on hf's part that it's hard to see him fakeclaiming.
BUT
i'm guessing that in the world where hf is scum the other two must kind of be scrubs to not notice any sort of blue tell (pretty obvious as soon as he was skeptical of my claim and later when he said something about there only being one blue in the game), which then doesn't line up with ritoky being scum because ritoky is a good player. hmmmmmmmmm
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i take back ritoky being scum 90% of the time. it's hf and here's why:
- ritoky had grack as his #1 scumread two hours before deadline, and then claimed to have a green check on him later. much easier to not eliminate your top lynch candidate
- hf had some blue tells that any experienced scummer should have seen (among players still alive, that's ritoky, grack, and me on a good day), yet didn't die either night and wasn't roleblocked either
- hf didn't gain any advantage by hard claiming. he was hardly in danger of being lynched and still had his bullet. however, as scum he outs a blue and lynches potentially one or both blues
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On June 09 2017 12:15 Conversion wrote:really? I read through ritoky and it seems his play seems to sort of center around his checks. Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote:
i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb
fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.
reading LS mafia, what else is new for me.
btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.
tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.
grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.
BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.
onegu...flip a coin. D1 read on BTDT, claims him as scum. once he is unsure because of the emotional play, he checks BTDT, and drops the entire case on BTDT and gives small town reads on him afterwards. D2 ritoky argues with Grack, finds him suspicious, checks him. claims D3, confirmed cop. either he's mindfucking me and set this up since D1 with scum, or he's actually cop. I'm inclined to believe he's more cop than HF/TW lying about their claim. TW who did you try to save N2 and did you get RB'd?
tried to save hf and got rb'd
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i keep trying to think of a sick play but none of them work with the roleblocker alive. looks like we'll have to settle this the good old-fashioned way.
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a question for y'all: what is the advantage of claiming to get votes off of me on D1 if we go and lynch fidei anyway? consider that with my vote, grack's vote that followed mine, whoever was already on pb, and a scummate (unless you think pb is my scummate) we could have forced the switch onto pb D1 instead of fidei in the shenanny -- it's not like anyone but onegu cared enough to be picky between shenanigans.
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On June 09 2017 12:41 Conversion wrote:because you said this Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 08:01 Tumblewood wrote:On June 05 2017 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
half of the game has gone to bed which is why your claim was pants
the only reason they even voted you is because you didn't explain the bh thing which even vivax found weird
well if half the game has gone to bed then it seems i didn't do any harm. honestly i don't trust anyone in this game to make a good decision besides vivax, grack, and bh, even if i start shitting town rainbows. just lotsa people who read people for bad reasons. with two hours i can argue myself out of a 4-3 situation but not 6-2 without a claim
this completely misses the point of what i says. of course a fakeclaim allows me to survive D1, but what is the advantage of that if we lynch fidei D1 anyway? a fakeclaim as scum is always a ticking time bomb so we might as well give fidei a shot if that's really the case
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On June 09 2017 12:45 Conversion wrote:
to my long post about mafia wanting to tunnel focus on lynching a blue: I made a mistake in the numbers. We're at 6-2 right now, if we lynch mafia we're at 5-1. At that point we can afford a mislynch, which puts town in a winning position if we dedicate to finding the last mafia before moving down the line between TW and HF.
Unless ritoky is bamboozling us in which case we lose, but if he's not dead N3 he's probably scum
we're at 7-2 right now and we have two mislynches to spare. if, worst case scenario, we lynch both the blues and then the scum, it's 2v1 lylo with the last scum and probably two scrubs. if we lynch one blue we have 4v1, which is not bad but again it's probably all scrubs. if we get it right the first time we're 6-1 and we have two mislynches to spare and a blue survives the NK.
as for your second thing:
if we lynch me today and ritoky doesn't die, hf could be scum and hoping to lynch him tomorrow. really not out of the question.
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can you respond to the clarification i made just before that
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On June 09 2017 12:55 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2017 12:45 Tumblewood wrote:On June 09 2017 12:41 Conversion wrote:because you said this On June 05 2017 08:01 Tumblewood wrote:On June 05 2017 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
half of the game has gone to bed which is why your claim was pants
the only reason they even voted you is because you didn't explain the bh thing which even vivax found weird
well if half the game has gone to bed then it seems i didn't do any harm. honestly i don't trust anyone in this game to make a good decision besides vivax, grack, and bh, even if i start shitting town rainbows. just lotsa people who read people for bad reasons. with two hours i can argue myself out of a 4-3 situation but not 6-2 without a claim this completely misses the point of what i says. of course a fakeclaim allows me to survive D1, but what is the advantage of that if we lynch fidei D1 anyway? a fakeclaim as scum is always a ticking time bomb so we might as well give fidei a shot if that's really the case oh okay, sorry. read that incorrectly. I guess it doesn't make sense that you would bus onto Fidei so readily instead of trying to get people onto a different train, but would your vote have made a difference? assuming two mafia are on the Fidei bus vote, who could you have convinced to hammer PB instead of Fidei? Also if BH saw people getting off the Fidei train, he most likely would have put his vote back in... like he said he was an "honorary" member and his entire argument was that the Fidei vote wasn't in danger. I'd have to read his D1 filter again, but I don't think he wanted to sheep any other vote. so you survive, you ride the Fidei vote to clear your blue claim, sets you up for a solid defense later in the game.
check out the votes as they came in d1. you voted pb, and soon afterward i voted pb thinking that was the most likely shenanny. grack, apparently looking at an old version of the page, voted pb (following me) right after i switched back onto fidei. my scum partner absolutely could not be anyone but pb, ls, or ts. if it's pb this all makes sense i suppose. if it's ls or ts, they could make the vote total 3 on fidei in our favor before i switch, grack making it 4 and effectively making pb the only viable shenanny.
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