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On June 09 2017 12:45 Tumblewood wrote: this completely misses the point of what i says. of course a fakeclaim allows me to survive D1, but what is the advantage of that if we lynch fidei D1 anyway? a fakeclaim as scum is always a ticking time bomb so we might as well give fidei a shot if that's really the case oh okay, sorry. read that incorrectly. I guess it doesn't make sense that you would bus onto Fidei so readily instead of trying to get people onto a different train, but would your vote have made a difference? assuming two mafia are on the Fidei bus vote, who could you have convinced to hammer PB instead of Fidei? Also if BH saw people getting off the Fidei train, he most likely would have put his vote back in... like he said he was an "honorary" member and his entire argument was that the Fidei vote wasn't in danger. I'd have to read his D1 filter again, but I don't think he wanted to sheep any other vote. so you survive, you ride the Fidei vote to clear your blue claim, sets you up for a solid defense later in the game. | ||
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On June 05 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Final Vote Count Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood (2): Prison Break (2): Conversion, beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, Vivax (1): LightningStrike (1): Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni (0): Holyflare (0): Conversion (0): Fidei86 will be lynched. So assume two people are on Fidei that are Mafia with BH voting grack b/c he's fooling around and doesn't see any other bussing happening elsewhere, while being very active during deadline. Take two people off Fidei (Let's say Grack and you for example) and you're at this: Fidei86 (4): Onegu, Put those votes on PB, you're at 4 on PB 4 on Fidei. I'm pretty sure Fidei gets lynched first in this case, so you'd have to convince someone else, but the moment BH sees this 4v4 he'll probably put his vote on Fidei making it 5:4. So you'd need to convince HF, LS, or Tubesock off a Fidei train in like 15 minutes (or however fast this train happened), or you just safely bus onto your mate and your blue claim lets you live. IDK it just seems like it'd be a long shot to try to convince someone in that small window of time. I just feel like it's safer to just bus onto your mate with the way things are happening and try to pin scum on people outside of that bus. Also without your blue claim I'm not sure if Fidei would have died anyways, but I can't speak to events that might have happened | ||
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like what makes us scummy. you haven't been playing this game at all, you haven't died with a doc claim, and now you're stuck in a spot where we have 3 blue claims with you having the least town cred and absolutely no credibility in helping the game move in any direction | ||
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which is absolute bollocks to me because I have no idea what you normally do as townie. for what it's worth I'm almost certain scum team is you and LS, but I'd rather have other people weigh in and read their decisions instead. If anyone wants to know my reason why I think scum team is LS and TW: Out of the 3 blues, TW is the most suspicious. This is the most active he's been because he realizes he can't just coast his doctor claim to LYLO and then win by convincing one of the townies. I actually think that Fidei might have been inactive and when the shenanny happened, LS and TW made an executive decision to bus Fidei instead of trying to swing a 6-2 (7-2 with BH if he's on Fidei) onto a townie and possibly fail. The fact that TW is completely ignoring LS town play and reading me, pb, and even tubesock before LS is suspicious to me. good night peeps I'll catch up on the thread tomorrow. | ||
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Here's the quote: Thanks! On June 09 2017 12:27 Conversion wrote: OK here's the way I'm seeing it: Ritoky is actually cop. Reading through his filter and his claim, the play makes sense. It backs mafia into a corner because now they have to scramble to justify their fake blue claim and try to sheep town onto the correct claim. So it's basically HF vs Ritoky. Ritoky is very much likely to die N3 I think. If I was scum, I'd want to shoot Ritoky or RB him (if there is a roleblocker) to prevent any more information getting out for D4, otherwise we can just leave the blue shit behind us and find the last mafia and have ritoky check HF or TW and town wins the game. Obviously mafia won't do that, so we should focus on this day figuring out who is scummates with HF or TW, and lynching him. I might be wrong, but I think mafia may try to tunnel all their focus on pushing the focus of D3 into who is the blue claim liar, and try to misdirect town into mislynching the correct blue claim and killing off ritoky. I think that's the best mafia player here, which is why I suggest we pressure non-blue claimed players and finding the last scummate. More likely than not whoever is mafia is going to either fight really hard to keep attention off his last scummate, or bus him and try to play out of a 50/50 lynch chance with 4 townies and 1 scum. Any thoughts? I may be missing something | ||
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@ritoky honestly the reason why I don't see the need for a blue lynch is that we can just have HF shoot TW. If mafia RBs HF and kills him, TW looks bad and we get another read with your cop powerz. If you die and no one got shot, HF isn't vig and we have our scum between TW and HF. IDK maybe I'm missing something again | ||
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people talk!! | ||
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On June 10 2017 02:12 Holyflare wrote: Let's say tw is mafia, hypothetically. He claimed doctor to save himself day 1. What excuse does he have to be alive? None. What can mafia do to make him have an excuse to be alive? Claim rb. What other excuse is there for him to possibly be alive as mafia other than that? That's what I thought too.. I'm trying to think of reasons why TW might not be mafia, but all of his arguments are way too convenient | ||
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On June 10 2017 04:07 kitaman27 wrote: ![[image loading]](https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/theresa-may-lord-buckethead-united-kingdom-election.jpg) I can't understand why it's so difficult for the Brits to realize that Lord Buckethead is the only politician (and intergalactic overlord) that truly represents the interests of the common folk. who is this guy randomly popping in claiming lord buckethead over elmo. scum lynch | ||
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On June 10 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote: From my PoV it's one of Covnersion, PB, and Tubesock by PoE alone. PB seems likely town by meta. So that leaves Conversion and Tubesock as my last scum there. Tubesock did vote 2nd on James but if TW was the roleblocker he probably would do that bus honestly. Conversion I liked some of his posts after I read his filter a bit but his weird reaction to the flip seems odd defending himself about being a team with PB. So ya One of Tubesock and Conversion is my last scum you? are you seriously calling me possible scum in a post I made during D2 in reply to BTDT saying I was a scum team with PB? can you make a better case than that? | ||
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On June 10 2017 05:10 ritoky wrote: his case is PoE, what is wrong with it? you think it is TW + LS right? can you give me your best 3-5 reasons on why LS is mafia. I'm fine with him doing a PoE read on me or tubesock, but as I said before his entire game is just putting a few comments here and there and then not really contributing, so I want to read his thoughts on his PoE scum reads instead of "these are my scum reads by PoE" and leaving it at that. in terms of why LS can be mafia: My first major point is that he doesn't do anything significant in the game. He sheeps, his excuse being that his townie play is based around sheeping when I called him out for his lack of presence. I don't know how he plays, he doesn't back it up with anything, and just leaves it at that. The distancing between TW-LS can be a solid play between them to not link them to each other in case one of them slips. I'm leaving the possibility of TW-LS bussing Fidei while he was AFK at the end of deadline a possibility, then spreading votes out D2 to make sure they do not look like they are agreeing on the same stance. LS also voted late D2 if I remember correctly, so bussing Vivax might have given away too much information He asked to for blues to shoot/check him over the night. When I asked him why, he said to "clear his position up" When I asked if you could have not checked him b/c you strongly think he is mafia, he just acknowledges the possibility and then argument ends there. If I was town, I would never ask blues to check/shoot me to clear misconceptions-- I would try to look as townie as possible so blues have a narrower range of targets to clear, especially an unclaimed cop. IDK asking to get blue checked instead of playing the game seems pretty scummy to me. although that last point can just be frustrated townie play as well, so meh. Also this is in case TW is not scum. If HF is lying about his claim, I do not think LS is mafia. I don't see the possibility of a HF-LS team (especially with the way HF has pushed LS all game) | ||
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I think I'd have to reread everyone's filter to see how they interact with HF, but TS/PB off the top of my head for no real reason besides feelings. I don't think BTDT was ever mafia and I think you're the only sure claim out of the 3, so I don't think BTDT/Grack are mafia either. | ||
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On June 10 2017 07:49 Tumblewood wrote: objection. it should go like this: hf -> (rit if that doesn't work) -> pb -> (conv if that doesn't work) -> (ts if that doesn't work) possible mafia -> mislynch -> mislynch -> mislynch -> possible mafia game losing order right there | ||
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