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On February 07 2017 18:08 RtaniSoul wrote:
You're basically saying "your reads are wrong because you SHOULD be townreading grack and silver and me 100% and sharkie SHOULD therefore be mafia to you if the mission fails so clearly you're mafia with sharkie if it fails!" Which is utterly and incredibly dumb.
It's not dumb if this mission fails 
With me being 100 % on swika grack being resistance, if a team with you + me alongside them failed, I would have forced a scenario where people had to choose between you and me, which is in my interest as I believe you are spies.
Grack understood it correctly as he called it a sort of copcheck on you.
Now if this mission fails you will still be around to sneak into teams as you can say "but how do you know we were never on a mission."
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On February 07 2017 18:20 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:19 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 18:13 Superbia wrote:
Btw, when this team fails at least one between myself and EC has to be town. We cannot both be mafia. Why? Check the votes man. Jesus.
Sharkies last vote is a wifom vote btw (ie he wants to gain cred from it if the mission fails).
If it passes, disregard.
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On February 07 2017 18:22 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:01 Vivax wrote:On February 07 2017 03:19 Grackaroni wrote:On February 07 2017 03:14 Silverika wrote:On February 07 2017 02:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Methinks the team is Sharkie/Tumblewood/Rtanisoul I was trying to think of scum sharkie wanting scum rtanisoul on a mission, when he was already on it, as highly unlikely. They only need one fail vote. ~SilverWolf77 That's a pretty good point. That's not a good point two spies on a mission is a good strat as people tend to assume only one person is to blame, for simplicity's sake. Accusing two people on the same team at the same time is hard to do. This is one of the things that bothered me, and also why it bothered me that rtanisoul wanted to sub in for me as opposed to my suggestion that they sub in for sharkie. Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:11 Vivax wrote:On February 07 2017 18:06 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 18:03 Vivax wrote:On February 07 2017 17:58 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 17:54 Vivax wrote:
This seems like a good day been reading a bunch of stuff that stirred me up but I'll start adressing all of it when I see the mission outcome and it's a failure.
If it fails tho rtanisoul + sharkie is a given. I don't see how anyone would not think that sharkie was spy if mission 1 failed, so all the explanations for swika being town besides that one are superflous and the fact they refuse to townread Grack also speaks volumes as he is their only out from scumreading sharkie. Will you take full responsibility for losing this game if this mission fails and we're not mafia? No, cause you could have supported my suggestion of subbing you in for sharkie. No, because we feel more secure in his slot than your slot, so why would we have done that? How does that make any sense? If you knew you were resistance and had doubts on sharkie like I do, being in a rtanisoul, vivax, swika, grack team would guarantee a win, in your book. Instead you counter proposed that we put you in alongside sharkie. And why don't you want to acknowledge that Grack isn't spy as he could easily have failed the first mission with sharkie being the obvious blame dumpster. So spies are smart enough to put two of them into the team but not smart enough to delay failing a mission in order to put even more blame on me? Like you said if the first mission passes and the second mission fails the only LOGICAL spy would be me. But gods forsake that spies could use that exact same train of thought you had as their strategy? Are the spies dumb or smart? You need to stick to one scenario... I don't see how one thing can be a "good strategy for spies" but the other is "no way spies would not fail the first mission)... You really really make it very easy for you, don't you? Also you seem to be very sure that this mission is going to fail and that I am the spy with RT. So why did you approve the team in the first place? Just send yourself and TW and go for an easy win?
If you are resistance and think that Grack and Swika are resistance, why did I nominate an all resistance team in the first place? And why should I bother subbing rtanisoul in instead of you when as spy I would suffice?
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On February 07 2017 18:16 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:15 Vivax wrote:On February 07 2017 18:08 RtaniSoul wrote:
You're basically saying "your reads are wrong because you SHOULD be townreading grack and silver and me 100% and sharkie SHOULD therefore be mafia to you if the mission fails so clearly you're mafia with sharkie if it fails!" Which is utterly and incredibly dumb. It's not dumb if this mission fails With me being 100 % on swika grack being resistance, if a team with you + me alongside them failed, I would have forced a scenario where people had to choose between you and me, which is in my interest as I believe you are spies. Grack understood it correctly as he called it a sort of copcheck on you. Now if this mission fails you will still be around to sneak into teams as you can say "but how do you know we were never on a mission." You're only seeing it from your perspective again. I am not certain on grack and yourself. I'm telling you to look at it from my perspective and figure out how it all makes sense from me being town, but you're too tunneled on your tinfoil theory.
Have it your way then.
As team leader, I put a spy into the team. He lets it pass cause he'd be at risk if it fails.
Everyone agrees on same team + previous leader.
I request to take out the previous spy and replace it with you as resistance. Denied.
If the team fails, as resistance you would know exactly who to blame: Me. Nobody is so bullheaded to not acknowledge that Grack and swika are simply town. Spies will only let a mission pass if they know that it will get them excluded for the rest of the game.
During nomination phase, we all agreed on swika and Grack, and I even asked you who you think should be the third. You said: Sharkie or yourself. I chose sharkie.
When I make a suggestion very similar to your previous one, where one of the three is someone you suggested previously, this happens:
You refuse cuz being afraid of being on a failing team, which btw isn't in line with your thoughts on sharkie so far.
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All RtaniSoul are doing is spreading doubts all over the team and basically the entire game when it's blatantly obvious that sharkie was the most risky in it from the get go, a free invitation to Grack and Swika to make the first team fail and exclude him for the rest of the game.
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You won't get anywhere just with vote analysis. It's too easy to tamper with.
According to vote analysis one would conclude rtanisoul is town just cause they nay-voted a team with themselves on it.
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Can't be in a sharkie world without rtanisoul in it tbh.
If this fails I'm ride or die sharkie + rtanisoul
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On February 07 2017 22:02 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 19:22 Vivax wrote:
You won't get anywhere just with vote analysis. It's too easy to tamper with.
According to vote analysis one would conclude rtanisoul is town just cause they nay-voted a team with themselves on it. I don't think you know how vote analysis works... In what world would nay-voting your own team be automatically considered resistance? In the same world yay voting a good team allows you to get credit or what?
Thanks for unintentionally endorsing the point I was making.
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-If you act this way then why did you accept the team in the first place?!-
I was hoping it was an all town team but with super, SL playing a more conventional game again (which makes them look townier) and rtaniSoul suddenly spreading doubt among all mission members, it does increasingly look like a failure.
I was planning on awaiting the outcome before posting further but you wanted me to adress points and rtaniSoul keeps trying to argue why they aren't spy when I do, so there you go.
It's not like much changed as I was suspecting you of being spy with them before approving the mission. I just wanted to confirm it by putting them in instead of you.
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And the only thing that matters for me regarding votes is if they are in contrast to what a person said at the time.
I was under the impression rtaniSoul had a much stronger TR on Grack and Swika back when they approved. Now they say you and Grack are about equal.
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So the latest pages are rtanisoul and sharkie pushing the notion that spies dont defend each other when there are no flips and bussing is suicidal.
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I wouldn't even be so tunneled, but this happened:
During noms I asked rtanisoul who the third should be alongside grack and swika.
They said sharkie or themselves. They didn't put a fight over sending Grack and Swika. So everything suggested that they trust them, right? At least it suggested it to me. Third candidate would be the risky one, and I thought that was the consensus.
Yet when the mission is over and now we're contemplating the consequences of a failure, Grack and Swika are suddenly at the same level of suspiciousness as sharkie for them and that is something I disagree with and that doesn't look at all like it looked for them, back when I nominated.
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I like my reads clear cut as the game progresses, and not sit back at square one when a mission passes/fails and that's what happens when you follow the scenarios rtaniSoul are suggesting. And we don't want to be at square one and have no clue who's spy/res.
I knew I would scumread sharkie if the mission failed, a Grack/Swika spy would probably have known that and failed it, and I will scumread sharkie if this one fails.
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On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie.
Care to explain? What you're calling my wifom now also was something you townread me for earlier. Wtf man?
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On February 08 2017 00:39 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. we're mafia.. with Vivax? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Same here that's the most WTF thing I saw today. What's the point of having this war as spies? Is spy win con now to not send each other on missions?
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I'd even yolo approve a swika/emc/SL/TW team after the things I saw today.
Team 3/4 leprosy
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Earlier:
On February 07 2017 03:13 Grackaroni wrote:
Vivax is actually coming up with a lot of thought out scum pairings without trying too hard to be town read. Plus he said right off the bat that Silver/I aren't scum, which is a good thing from my perspective.
Now:
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My, my, Grack. Just when you had earned my favour ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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On February 08 2017 00:51 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:50 Vivax wrote:Earlier: On February 07 2017 03:13 Grackaroni wrote:
Vivax is actually coming up with a lot of thought out scum pairings without trying too hard to be town read. Plus he said right off the bat that Silver/I aren't scum, which is a good thing from my perspective.
Now: Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My, my, Grack. Just when you had earned my favour ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) I liked that when I thought the spy was likely to be sharkie. Now I think the spy is quite unlikely to be sharkie.
Even then the same argument shouldn't lead to different conclusions for you.
Unless you use it just to make up reads when they suit the moment ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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On February 08 2017 00:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:53 Vivax wrote:On February 08 2017 00:51 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:50 Vivax wrote:Earlier: On February 07 2017 03:13 Grackaroni wrote:
Vivax is actually coming up with a lot of thought out scum pairings without trying too hard to be town read. Plus he said right off the bat that Silver/I aren't scum, which is a good thing from my perspective.
Now: Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My, my, Grack. Just when you had earned my favour ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) I liked that when I thought the spy was likely to be sharkie. Now I think the spy is quite unlikely to be sharkie. Even then the same argument shouldn't lead to different conclusions for you. Unless you use it just to make up reads when they suit the moment ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) You're scum.
Vivax uses wifom when you townread him: You like it.
Vivax uses wifom when you scumread him: He's scum.
Who's scum here?
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It'd make me laugh if the team passes, there's a reason I didn't want to post this much
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