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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
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November 30 2016 01:10 GMT
#712
##Vote: Holyflare
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
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November 30 2016 02:41 GMT
#715
On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs).


I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
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November 30 2016 02:43 GMT
#716
There's also like 16 hours left in the day so plenty of time for other people to step in it or for HF to actually play
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
November 30 2016 03:01 GMT
#718
On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2016 11:41 darthfoley wrote:
On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs).


I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around?

He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally.


I mean that may be true but i was unaware of this meta point when I voted on him. Never played a game with HF.

If he's one of the best players it's equally suspicious that he's spent a strange amount of time on D1 beating the mahrgell horse to death. Especially considering it doesn't look like mahrgell will be one of the realistic D1 trains.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
November 30 2016 06:52 GMT
#752
I like Ticktock's list post at first glance tbh. As of now I think either sicklucker, HF, or emperor to be reasonable D1 lynches.

I'll also have to take a look back at Onegu's filter. Been a bit lazy about it
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
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November 30 2016 06:53 GMT
#753
i'm getting actually annoyed with sicklucker's posting. so much agreement, so few original points l0l
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
November 30 2016 08:16 GMT
#760
On November 30 2016 16:14 emperorchampion wrote:
@ darth: Say that sl is off the table, where are you at? HF maybe Onegu?



On November 30 2016 15:52 darthfoley wrote:
I like Ticktock's list post at first glance tbh. As of now I think either sicklucker, HF, or emperor to be reasonable D1 lynches.

I'll also have to take a look back at Onegu's filter. Been a bit lazy about it



... like four posts above; unfortunately you're in that crowd. will look at onegu in the morning
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
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November 30 2016 18:11 GMT
#912
On December 01 2016 00:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Koshi's case on me is great, but I'm town :/


wtf who says this as town???? especially you of all people. last game if someone hinted that you might be mafia, you flipped shit. I understand you might not be motivated to play or something but that does not "normalize" this response from a player like you.

like mahrgell or checkm8 would do this type of post but i can't see a world in which you just lie down and take it like this
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
November 30 2016 18:37 GMT
#927
On December 01 2016 03:11 mahrgell wrote:
To bring up my unanswered question from earlier:

@Tictock: (voting emp) : You had a full scumread on emp, half scum on NU. You think they both can be scum? Will you stay on Emp?

@Rels: (voting HF): Quite a while since you posted. Still convinced on HF? He posted quite some stuff since then. If this train dies down (seems like it) what is your updated opinion on NU vs Emp.

@DF: (voting HF): You mentioned you consider HF,SL or Emp as viable lynches. HF and SL posted. So you are now on Emp if it would come down to Emp vs NU?

@CM8: (not voting): Can you stop playing clueless noob? Like I don't care if you are clueless or not. But you must have an opinion. Your strongest wording so far was some mistrust on NU (why? because others made good arguments on him?) and some weak stuff on Onegu. We are lynching someone soon. Can you become more concrete and post with a bit more confidence? If you were a dayvig, who would you shoot now?


To answer your question, i'm willing to leave HF be for D1-- i'll defer to more experienced players regarding the utility of keeping him in the game if he's town (basically not being a smart D1 lynch). The one thing I remember sticking out to me that I liked from HF was how he called out Rels's mahrgell read.

On November 30 2016 22:10 Holyflare wrote:
If I had a gun I would shoot nu because it gives so much information about a lot of people. It would give extra light to koshi's theories and maybe make people take some harder stances before then. I expect people to be active around deadline and I'll try and write something useful for it.

I don't know why you liked onegu's post though it said absolutely nothing other than hard defending me when I don't need to be and are one of the hardest people to read on this site.

Lynch nu for info/possibly mafia
Onegu for likely mafia
Probably rels or one of the people I haven't read.

You should comment on what I wrote about rels btw. He said you looked nothing like town you and did absolutely nothing about it and instead pushed me who was going after someone he said looked weird. Just because you mistook me for Skynx shouldn't change his dislike of your "new style".


That post is very town to me. I originally read Rels as town for kinda backing of mahrgell on that post, but in retrospect he backed off for no real explained reason which is not something I remember town!Rels doing much in the games I've played with him.

Similarly I liked emporer's post about TT and I thought he brought up good points regarding how TT was basically disagreeing with all his townreads and voting for someone all his town reads were town reading. That progression doesn't really make sense. I liked TT's post at first glance but I was kinda lazy and didn't analyze it carefully last night. Don't think emperor is the right lynch.

I still think sicklucker has been pretty inadequate. I agree that D1 is generally annoying and really arbitrary, but him parking his vote 4 hours before the deadline and peacing out has approximately 0 town vibes to it. This might not be a thing but I also found it weird how sicklucker voted in the vote thread but didn't announce it in the discussion thread. Maybe that's normal for people to do but i've never seen it.

Checkm8 has disappeared, i'd like a reminder as to why people think captain newb is town.

I'll have to reexamine NU.

Don't like this universal town read on LS, considering that's how he won the last game i played with him. I still haven't seen any reasons to town read him besides "tonal/vibes/feels" that I don't share.

Before examining the cases on NU, I think TT is a pretty good lynch right now considering I think his claim that he's playing D1 like he always does is pretty shite, along with emp's case.

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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
November 30 2016 18:47 GMT
#933
On December 01 2016 03:28 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 01:27 emperorchampion wrote:
On November 30 2016 15:21 Tictock wrote:
Rels - Feels a lot like last game joining a bit late but just dropping thoughts as he has them. His "Ok NVM" posts support that he is just saying what he thinks as he thinks it, not trying to construct stuff. Very likely town.

Holyflare - I don't agree with much of what HF said about gell, but it feels in line with stuff he's pushed before. To restate: I disagree with his reasoning to scumread mahrgell but it's not unlike pushes I've seen from town!HF before. There are a couple posts I feel could fall into DMA + Show Spoiler +
Dick Move Analysis, basically just the trend that mafia aren't usually outright mean to other players
, #453, #494, #507. So I'm tempted to townlean HF, however I'm not convinced any of this is outside his mafia wheelhouse so it's just a weak lean for now. In fact thinking about it more there are similarities to his push on gell and how he pushed me in (I think?) his last scum game. He was also fairly lackluster D1 in that game until he pushed for shenanigans onto Rels at EoD. Guess I'm pretty null/conflicted on HF.

Shapelog - I'm suprised how straightforward Shape is being this game honestly. Sure he threw out the cop WIFOM right off but that was pretty much the only time he hasn't been fairly serious this game. I'd be more worried about it if I didn't feel like I could see where he is coming from generaly and liked a few of the points he's been making. The one thing that stood out as strange to me was his NU read in #403
+ Show Spoiler +
Shape started off saying he didn't find much to sway him either way yet here was his conclusion:
Overall he has been overstressing things more than they should, which is more AI of a scum player than a town player. But, NU tone as town in previous games is like that. And while he did say he was trying to change his meta, tone and writing style is harder to change than just what you post. He's null/light scum read, but once he posts more content posts (along with everyone else), I will relook.


Onegu - Flipping my read from earlier. I gave Onegu some credit for doing some stuff right off and seeming like he was involved. Skimming his filter now I find basically nothing with real content in it. Seems like he burnt up a bunch of energy right at the start posting a bunch but now that there is stuff to actually discuss has dropped off. Would be someone to re-evaluate closer to EoD is I have time.

LightningStrike - Kinda a lazy read but LS just feels tonally on point to me and has been pretty involved. I'd imagine him having a harder time being this comfortable rolling scum after such a long absence from playing.

darthfoley - Pretty meh over his filter. I can kinda see where he is coming from at times, but I dislike how he dropped Shape from a townread to null just kus Rels asked him about it. I was going to call his vote on HF opportunistic, but he did mention not liking HF in an earlier post. I think I just need to see more from Darth to get a better read, I do recall him being a bit like this last game as well.

Koshi - Like I said before I see no reason for him to take a step back from his scumread on me like he did if he were mafia. I also imagine he'd be way more burnt out rolling scum for the 5th game in a row. Sure he'd play to win still, but what I've seen is a fair bit above what mafia would need to be doing at this point in the game.

Checkm8 - Not much to go on, and yea as others have mentioned he's overplayed the newb card. His one post of content felt legit. Idk, gut says town.

mahrgell - Feels a lot like what I recall from last game and pretty tonally on point as well. I also liked his reactions to HF's pressure (possibly another DMA) and while I get his big reads post feeling a bit lackluster it also reads to me like his legit thoughts at the time. Fairly strong townlean here.

emperorchampion - I honestly have no clue where Emp's head is at this game. Starts off some pressure on NU then does a 180 with no explanation and is now back to scumreading him. This post in particular stands out to me.
On November 30 2016 02:22 emperorchampion wrote:
NU probably town. LS don't really like trying to set up mafia between NU and I. TT haven't really liked from the get go. mahrgell's got this mix of above average content, lots of questions, pressure on incorrect target that's raising some flags for me. That's where I'm at right now. There are a ton of questions for me that I may answer at some point, largely related to NU I imagine, but that guy is town for now.

This is where he 180's on NU, throws shade on LS for suggesting there is mafia between himself and NU (which is odd since he had also thought NU was sus a few posts before), doesn't like me, and the stuff about gell is almost litterally word vomit. Feels like a scatter shot post flinging shit and seeing what might stick.

I really did try to find something redeeming in his filter that might make Emp town, but I came up with nothin.

sicklucker - pretty dam null, nothing stood out to me either way

NeverUnlucky - Reading through the game I kinda felt like NU is a lot more held back than I have ever seen him. I liked his point in #285 in response to Koshi. Other than that though I'm really not following his reads, and especially his pushes. Kinda a shame NU was last on the list, I feel like I need to be more awake to make a better read here. Leaving him as a scum read kus something feels off about him in my gut.



##Vote: emperorchampion

Seems like the best option to me. I have an odd feeling that the Emp vs NU stuff so far has actually been Mafia on Mafia. NU has actually said very little about Emp despite being one of his scumreads and Emp's read on NU has been a bit all over the place. Their interactions are also pretty tame for two people scum reading one another as well. I might be hitting the tinfoil a bit here though.


Lets talk about this post more. My conclusions:
1) TT is not following the game at all, or
2) TT is mafia.

Consider the state of the game when this was made: Rels and Koshi were voting HF, I had just voted NU.

1) Two of the top town reads are Rels and Koshi, both are at the time voting for HF. He has a town read on HF. I don't see any justification for this stance.
2) The read of HF it self, partially green but null/conflicted. I'm not really sure what to make of that. I get the sense that the conflict between having HF as town and Mahrgell as town is noted, but dealt with so lazily.
3) Stating MvM between NU and I essentially means that TT thinks that 2 mafia have been found day 1. I find this to be a very odd conclusion.
4) The case on my self is truly baffling. Either TT is lying when he says that "I didn't find anything townie" or has not been reading closely at all. Let me outline:
a) Two of his top towns, Rels and Koshi, are voting for HF. Koshi had 0 interest in voting HF prior to my posts #589 and #609.
b) I am (to my knowledge at the time) not under consideration by: Rels, Koshi, LS, HF (?). All towns for TT.
c) I am currently voting for one of his towns (LS) current target.
d) The reasoning that I had for being suspicious of HF (#609) is the exact same as the reason that he is null/conflicted on HF.

In summary: based on the 3 points above, if TT didn't find anything townie what so ever in my filter, then he must be lying. IF this is the case, the only purpose that makes immediate sense is that he's mafia. Otherwise, as stated, maybe he's not reading closely at all, but I think that makes him an OK lynch candidate as well.



@NU why is this a good post?

1) You can town read people and think they are wrong. Just because they think someone is scum doesnt mean you have to think they are correct if you think they are town.

2) bleh

3) Why is it odd. If you think you caught 2 scum on day 1 that seems fairly normal to me.

4) I dont really find anything worth town reading EC for. Who cares what your reads are and if I agree with some of them or not that isnt what makes someone town or scum, Its the reasons for which he finds them town or scum.

But then he waffles on actually scum reading him and looks at other people for their thoughts.


Referring to 1) yea that's true, but if that were the case, would there be a caveat saying something along the lines of that? "These are my town reads but I believe they are all conveniently wrong"

Also, isn't it a good idea D1 to sheep your town reads, especially if they all have similar reads on one person? By disagreeing with them (assuming your TR on them is correct), there are 9 people left excluding yourself. Of those 9, 3 are mafia (1/3). The chance of you getting on a train without mafia influence at that point is really low. Makes no sense to a) not address your disagreement with your TRs in the first place and 2) not sheep or inquire more to them about emperor; after all, why wouldn't you want to hear their collective opinions more? He hasn't done that in the past 18 hours

Also said he would give townleans to the people who voted on HF, then didn't townlean me. Why? Who knows
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
November 30 2016 18:48 GMT
#934
EBWOP wouldn't there be a caveat*
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
November 30 2016 19:08 GMT
#954
On December 01 2016 04:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2016 13:25 emperorchampion wrote:
On November 29 2016 13:08 LightningStrike wrote:
EC I seen you made some posts on NU is your conclusion on him so far is that you think he's scum? That what I getting from your posts on him.


Not ready to come to a conclusion like that atm, esp. since some of your posts have been suspect, and there is some friction there. Just someone to read more on.

He wasn't ready to commit a read on me ESPECIALLY because he suspects LS????????????????

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On November 30 2016 02:55 emperorchampion wrote:
On November 30 2016 02:39 Shapelog wrote:
On November 30 2016 02:22 emperorchampion wrote:
NU probably town. LS don't really like trying to set up mafia between NU and I. TT haven't really liked from the get go. mahrgell's got this mix of above average content, lots of questions, pressure on incorrect target that's raising some flags for me. That's where I'm at right now. There are a ton of questions for me that I may answer at some point, largely related to NU I imagine, but that guy is town for now.

What has made NU town for you now?

Also, you think LS is setting up to act like there is mafia between you and NU?


For now he seems to understand why he's not mafia, albeit a little rudely, but I'll take it for now.

Feels like it yeah.

That's how he justifies his town read? How is that even an argument to town-read someone?

It's also like he's saying that he tried to reaction-test me to see if I understand if I'm not mafia or something, it's fucking shady.

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On November 30 2016 03:38 emperorchampion wrote:
@Koshi:

1. Rels
2. Holyflare
4. Onegu
8. Checkm8
11. sicklucker
12. Tictock

Maybe only 1 of sl and c8? Waiting for c8 since I have something I'm curious about.

All of those who were trolling/inactive are his scum-reads at the time.

He can't take a stance on the more active players like his posts on me and this post show: + Show Spoiler +
On November 30 2016 04:14 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2016 03:59 Shapelog wrote:
EC do you think LS is town?


Not sure at the moment. Right now, seems to me like either misguided town, or devious mafia. More likely would be misguided town out of those to me. Could also be the case that NU is actually mafia, and he's on-track-town.That considered, doesn't presently look like a good lynch target to me.

You want to go after him?

Also, this last sentence sounds like something mafia would ask another mafia but that's pre-flip association.

I'm voting EC.


NU outside of emp where's your head? Does this mean you think TT is town?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
November 30 2016 19:12 GMT
#962
On December 01 2016 03:47 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 03:28 Onegu wrote:
On December 01 2016 01:27 emperorchampion wrote:
On November 30 2016 15:21 Tictock wrote:
Rels - Feels a lot like last game joining a bit late but just dropping thoughts as he has them. His "Ok NVM" posts support that he is just saying what he thinks as he thinks it, not trying to construct stuff. Very likely town.

Holyflare - I don't agree with much of what HF said about gell, but it feels in line with stuff he's pushed before. To restate: I disagree with his reasoning to scumread mahrgell but it's not unlike pushes I've seen from town!HF before. There are a couple posts I feel could fall into DMA + Show Spoiler +
Dick Move Analysis, basically just the trend that mafia aren't usually outright mean to other players
, #453, #494, #507. So I'm tempted to townlean HF, however I'm not convinced any of this is outside his mafia wheelhouse so it's just a weak lean for now. In fact thinking about it more there are similarities to his push on gell and how he pushed me in (I think?) his last scum game. He was also fairly lackluster D1 in that game until he pushed for shenanigans onto Rels at EoD. Guess I'm pretty null/conflicted on HF.

Shapelog - I'm suprised how straightforward Shape is being this game honestly. Sure he threw out the cop WIFOM right off but that was pretty much the only time he hasn't been fairly serious this game. I'd be more worried about it if I didn't feel like I could see where he is coming from generaly and liked a few of the points he's been making. The one thing that stood out as strange to me was his NU read in #403
+ Show Spoiler +
Shape started off saying he didn't find much to sway him either way yet here was his conclusion:
Overall he has been overstressing things more than they should, which is more AI of a scum player than a town player. But, NU tone as town in previous games is like that. And while he did say he was trying to change his meta, tone and writing style is harder to change than just what you post. He's null/light scum read, but once he posts more content posts (along with everyone else), I will relook.


Onegu - Flipping my read from earlier. I gave Onegu some credit for doing some stuff right off and seeming like he was involved. Skimming his filter now I find basically nothing with real content in it. Seems like he burnt up a bunch of energy right at the start posting a bunch but now that there is stuff to actually discuss has dropped off. Would be someone to re-evaluate closer to EoD is I have time.

LightningStrike - Kinda a lazy read but LS just feels tonally on point to me and has been pretty involved. I'd imagine him having a harder time being this comfortable rolling scum after such a long absence from playing.

darthfoley - Pretty meh over his filter. I can kinda see where he is coming from at times, but I dislike how he dropped Shape from a townread to null just kus Rels asked him about it. I was going to call his vote on HF opportunistic, but he did mention not liking HF in an earlier post. I think I just need to see more from Darth to get a better read, I do recall him being a bit like this last game as well.

Koshi - Like I said before I see no reason for him to take a step back from his scumread on me like he did if he were mafia. I also imagine he'd be way more burnt out rolling scum for the 5th game in a row. Sure he'd play to win still, but what I've seen is a fair bit above what mafia would need to be doing at this point in the game.

Checkm8 - Not much to go on, and yea as others have mentioned he's overplayed the newb card. His one post of content felt legit. Idk, gut says town.

mahrgell - Feels a lot like what I recall from last game and pretty tonally on point as well. I also liked his reactions to HF's pressure (possibly another DMA) and while I get his big reads post feeling a bit lackluster it also reads to me like his legit thoughts at the time. Fairly strong townlean here.

emperorchampion - I honestly have no clue where Emp's head is at this game. Starts off some pressure on NU then does a 180 with no explanation and is now back to scumreading him. This post in particular stands out to me.
On November 30 2016 02:22 emperorchampion wrote:
NU probably town. LS don't really like trying to set up mafia between NU and I. TT haven't really liked from the get go. mahrgell's got this mix of above average content, lots of questions, pressure on incorrect target that's raising some flags for me. That's where I'm at right now. There are a ton of questions for me that I may answer at some point, largely related to NU I imagine, but that guy is town for now.

This is where he 180's on NU, throws shade on LS for suggesting there is mafia between himself and NU (which is odd since he had also thought NU was sus a few posts before), doesn't like me, and the stuff about gell is almost litterally word vomit. Feels like a scatter shot post flinging shit and seeing what might stick.

I really did try to find something redeeming in his filter that might make Emp town, but I came up with nothin.

sicklucker - pretty dam null, nothing stood out to me either way

NeverUnlucky - Reading through the game I kinda felt like NU is a lot more held back than I have ever seen him. I liked his point in #285 in response to Koshi. Other than that though I'm really not following his reads, and especially his pushes. Kinda a shame NU was last on the list, I feel like I need to be more awake to make a better read here. Leaving him as a scum read kus something feels off about him in my gut.



##Vote: emperorchampion

Seems like the best option to me. I have an odd feeling that the Emp vs NU stuff so far has actually been Mafia on Mafia. NU has actually said very little about Emp despite being one of his scumreads and Emp's read on NU has been a bit all over the place. Their interactions are also pretty tame for two people scum reading one another as well. I might be hitting the tinfoil a bit here though.


Lets talk about this post more. My conclusions:
1) TT is not following the game at all, or
2) TT is mafia.

Consider the state of the game when this was made: Rels and Koshi were voting HF, I had just voted NU.

1) Two of the top town reads are Rels and Koshi, both are at the time voting for HF. He has a town read on HF. I don't see any justification for this stance.
2) The read of HF it self, partially green but null/conflicted. I'm not really sure what to make of that. I get the sense that the conflict between having HF as town and Mahrgell as town is noted, but dealt with so lazily.
3) Stating MvM between NU and I essentially means that TT thinks that 2 mafia have been found day 1. I find this to be a very odd conclusion.
4) The case on my self is truly baffling. Either TT is lying when he says that "I didn't find anything townie" or has not been reading closely at all. Let me outline:
a) Two of his top towns, Rels and Koshi, are voting for HF. Koshi had 0 interest in voting HF prior to my posts #589 and #609.
b) I am (to my knowledge at the time) not under consideration by: Rels, Koshi, LS, HF (?). All towns for TT.
c) I am currently voting for one of his towns (LS) current target.
d) The reasoning that I had for being suspicious of HF (#609) is the exact same as the reason that he is null/conflicted on HF.

In summary: based on the 3 points above, if TT didn't find anything townie what so ever in my filter, then he must be lying. IF this is the case, the only purpose that makes immediate sense is that he's mafia. Otherwise, as stated, maybe he's not reading closely at all, but I think that makes him an OK lynch candidate as well.



@NU why is this a good post?

1) You can town read people and think they are wrong. Just because they think someone is scum doesnt mean you have to think they are correct if you think they are town.

2) bleh

3) Why is it odd. If you think you caught 2 scum on day 1 that seems fairly normal to me.

4) I dont really find anything worth town reading EC for. Who cares what your reads are and if I agree with some of them or not that isnt what makes someone town or scum, Its the reasons for which he finds them town or scum.

But then he waffles on actually scum reading him and looks at other people for their thoughts.


Referring to 1) yea that's true, but if that were the case, would there be a caveat saying something along the lines of that? "These are my town reads but I believe they are all conveniently wrong"

Also, isn't it a good idea D1 to sheep your town reads, especially if they all have similar reads on one person? By disagreeing with them (assuming your TR on them is correct), there are 9 people left excluding yourself. Of those 9, 3 are mafia (1/3). The chance of you getting on a train without mafia influence at that point is really low. Makes no sense to a) not address your disagreement with your TRs in the first place and 2) not sheep or inquire more to them about emperor; after all, why wouldn't you want to hear their collective opinions more? He hasn't done that in the past 18 hours

Also said he would give townleans to the people who voted on HF, then didn't townlean me. Why? Who knows


I'd like Onegu and NU to respond to this. Explain to me why it makes sense to disregard your three townreads, not ask them more about their scum read you disagree with, and resign your preferred lynch train to have large mafia influence assuming your town reads are correct. This line of play doesn't make sense for an experienced town player. You're basically resigning yourself to vote WITH mafia on someone
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
November 30 2016 19:15 GMT
#964
well now he's voting for NU. Meh
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
November 30 2016 19:16 GMT
#967
On December 01 2016 04:14 Koshi wrote:
The only other person except NU I am willing to vote for is Onegu.

I am not interested in anything else D1.
I will lurk the thread, you can ask me questions, I am not doing shit anymore actively though.


Can you explain why TT is out of your equation if you think emperors posts on him were really good and you've been scum reading him forever??
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
November 30 2016 19:17 GMT
#968
Why aren't you pushing TT lynch emp? Still plenty of time before EoD
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
November 30 2016 19:35 GMT
#982
I don't like how HF/Checkm8//Rels/Shapelog etc have peaced out why is anyone townreading Checkm8? This man has been MIA for four years.

Is this basically going to be a decision between NU vs. Onegu?

Always get nervous when half the town disappears as the wagon forms. Meh paranoia.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
November 30 2016 20:07 GMT
#986
On December 01 2016 04:57 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 04:35 darthfoley wrote:
I don't like how HF/Checkm8//Rels/Shapelog etc have peaced out why is anyone townreading Checkm8? This man has been MIA for four years.

Is this basically going to be a decision between NU vs. Onegu?

Always get nervous when half the town disappears as the wagon forms. Meh paranoia.

You can not just say, hey let's not lynch the guy who we all scumread and have good reasons for to be mafia, let's lynch the guy who is mia, without saying why we should lynch him.

being mia is pretty null.

These posts look townie.
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:
On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:
Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia.


+ Show Spoiler +
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Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.

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On November 29 2016 23:28 Checkm8 wrote:
On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:
On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:
Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia.


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.

On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.

No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum.



Damn, I'm horrible at this. But believe me I'm town...because I'm not chocolate nor mocha...

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On November 30 2016 15:36 Checkm8 wrote:
Ok caught up. With recent posts I now think Koshi is more likely town than mafia. Rels might also be town. They're pushing town forward with each discussion they make.
Scum circle for me is still NU, while I'm now scum reading Onegu. The latter seemed like he was commenting a lot early on and then suddenly went down a cliff. Also to note that nothing he said was actually with that much content, and that he's only poking some chosen people every once in a while. The friendly tone thing also applies to him.




disagree?


I'm not saying lynch checkm8. Just saying his point about Onegu. Post some jokey friendly stuff then fuck right off for 24h. Which is exactly what checkm8 did. That mocha comment is exactly the type of comment he's scum reading Onegu for. So yea, I disagree with your hard town read of him. His reads have been pretty safe and non committal.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
November 30 2016 20:08 GMT
#987
EBWOP: his point about Onegu posting *
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
November 30 2016 20:13 GMT
#991
I'm willing to vote for NU ATM if there aren't really viable trains on TT or sicklucker because of the promise of a treasure trove of info for the town. Can someone sell me on what info will be gleaned and why NU is the guy to gain that info from? Cuz there's been lots and back of forth on his alignment?
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