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On December 10 2016 02:30 emperorchampion wrote:
fuck man I dunno haha. still reading darth.
My thoughts at the moment:
- If Onegu is mafia he should be left until next day phase to figure out.
- Based on that poe list is:
HF / DF / Mahr
- Right now my two preferred lynches would be HF / DF, the particular details is what I'm trying to figure out right now
Huh? I thought you were pretty sure Onegu is town, where are you getting him being mafia now?
Also why save him for next phase if you think he might be mafia?
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On December 10 2016 02:16 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 01:22 emperorchampion wrote:
Cooling down a bit. HF I don't even know 1) why you're so hostile, and 2) why you're scum reading me, since your last reasons is literally because I was afk. Like actually no one in this thread had given legitimate reasons, and it's really pissing me off since I can't do anything about it.
Anyways, I'm going to filter darth Repeating this again and again doesn't make it more true... You are simply ignoring it. But two make it short: Your D3 play after SLs weird presence looked completely weird. Especially you insisting that SL may be town. Regardless of how you came to that idea after all the shit SL posted, if you believed there to be such a high chance of him being town I would have absolutely expected a rampage there by you to wake town up and consider it again instead of simply accepting his demise. Given that I had the same though for half the day... I know how it feels to be in that spot. And if you really felt that TT was more likely scum than SL, well... the way you 2 fought there was in a way entertaining, but certainly not suited to change anyone to come from SL over to TT. And if you made this comment, but didn't believe it (why?) again your 1on1 with TT was completely strange. if SL was scum, all that was there to do was to find 3 targets out of the remaining players... And given that TT was amongst the top priorities for almost everyone, investigating him like this felt... strange. And it continued later too... you were entirely focussed on TT, and on not getting JK'ed yourself at night. Why? You never presented a 3 scum list... Again I simply can not follow your thinking there. I mean you were even beating on TT after he was already clearly called out the JK target... And unlike HF I still dont feel your reaction when you jumped my wagon was very towny. It wasn't a "oh lol, what a slip" but you simply jumped the first train you saw... At least how it felt to me... You explaining why I should scumread HF for it, when at the same time detailing why this makes no sense for scum!HF didn't help either. And now you vote me, flail against HF and then say you wanna investigate DF??? Why not investigate HF then? Like right now I really see no factual reasons why I wouldn't want to lynch you. Pretty much everyone you said since midst of D3 gives me very strong scum feelings. The only thing making me doubt right now is my last newbiegame, where you remind me of Exo... He also played completely strange, got cased by everyone, and then ignored all cases against him and went flailing against absolutely everybody he could get (and was town)... But not sure this is a comparison you want me to make...
1) With regards to sl I think we had pretty similar thoughts. Like what if he actually was VT trying to take a shot? To that I attributed about 40% chance in my mind since I was town reading him pretty hard most of day 1, 2, etc. But at the end of the day mafia would claim to draw out the jk, then try to trade 1v1. Especially one that was already caught for tmi. So that's what it boiled down to me. Why would I try to convince people so hard when I think it's more likely he's mafia? He wasn't even trying to defend himself at that point.
2) The "1v1" with TT was from my end mostly trying to convince him that I was town. The reason for this was that I recognized that we had pretty much the same view of the game day 1 and day 3 (day 2 is a bit whatever). Yes, he had made a case on me day 1 that I responded to, and I've gotten a lot of shit this game for not pushing on TT. But based on a lot of his posts he just looked more town to me.
Why would I want to get jk'd? That serves no purpose in my mind since I'm already town, how does that help me solve the game. Also jk'ing TT was a great play because 1) he probably has a better handle of things and 2) because he was tunneling me since day 1. So if I get lynched and flip, if he's town you guys would pretty much auto-lynch him and town loses.
3) Looking into HF/DF is following you since you looked pretty town to me when I read through your filter yesterday. It's not a matter of not wanting to look into one or the other, just a matter of time available and priority in my mind.
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On December 10 2016 02:40 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 02:30 emperorchampion wrote:
fuck man I dunno haha. still reading darth.
My thoughts at the moment:
- If Onegu is mafia he should be left until next day phase to figure out.
- Based on that poe list is:
HF / DF / Mahr
- Right now my two preferred lynches would be HF / DF, the particular details is what I'm trying to figure out right now
Huh? I thought you were pretty sure Onegu is town, where are you getting him being mafia now? Also why save him for next phase if you think he might be mafia?
I mean anyone at this point can be mafia except for you. I think he's probably more town than HF / DF at this point. Versus Mahr I dunno. Also maybe it's stupid logic but I really don't mind losing to Onegu, so to me I'd rather leave him until tomorrow.
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I'm really confused by Emp here...
Lists the entire game in his post... I thought in a poe the focus was on eliminating some players...
This weird Onegu thing... How would you, assuming you were left alive, figure him out? What if Onegu simply continues what he has been doing all game??? Namely doing absolutely nothing game related?
I can not follow your head here 
And still, I somehow get Exo-vibes here -.- Brain or Heart? What to follow?
I will have to buy a xmas tree before shop close.... Will be back a bit before deadline...(like 1-2h before) Would welcome if the the discussion here is kept up.
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Oh, and now finally a defense...
Will read once back.
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My whole thing with HF today has been about setting Town on the path to victory. Sure if HF is town I think Emp should be the lynch, but I have real doubts about HF being Town.
I figured that by proposing we lynch HF we could ensure that he would not be able to run away with the game as scum and also get him to put forth his best thoughts if Town.
Now I get a town!HF might be frustrated with me suggesting this route, but this game will still be on a fine place tomorrow if we lynch him today.
Scum!HF does all the things I'm seeing HF do here. Call as many people into question as possible, go off about any little thing, undermine posts that are attempts to analyze people's posts, argue argue argue.
Since I still see a very real threat of a scum!HF I think he is the lynch today.
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Ugh not quoting anymore big posts via my phone.
On December 10 2016 02:46 emperorchampion wrote:
Why would I want to get jk'd? That serves no purpose in my mind since I'm already town, how does that help me solve the game. Also jk'ing TT was a great play because 1) he probably has a better handle of things and 2) because he was tunneling me since day 1. So if I get lynched and flip, if he's town you guys would pretty much auto-lynch him and town loses.
I actually rather like this response as it is pretty similar to how I felt and reacted to Rels wanting to JK me.
The last line about how I would have been lynched if Emp flipped Town also feels fairly towny to me.
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On December 10 2016 02:17 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 02:02 Holyflare wrote:On December 01 2016 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh I don't think emp is ever mafia with analysis/thinking like that. I liked Marzipan's rant/koshi is null post. I'm good, I think I like LS simply by virtue of him being very forward about his past games.
I forget who else to talk about. More in a bit. What was this post I was referring to? What made you reread your own filter?
Because I'm great and wanted to see what I said early game
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On December 10 2016 02:30 emperorchampion wrote:
fuck man I dunno haha. still reading darth.
My thoughts at the moment:
- If Onegu is mafia he should be left until next day phase to figure out.
- Based on that poe list is:
HF / DF / Mahr
- Right now my two preferred lynches would be HF / DF, the particular details is what I'm trying to figure out right now
On December 09 2016 05:35 emperorchampion wrote:
darth I think is town, Onegu made my day yesterday so I'm fine with him, so I'll spend some time looking between HF and Mahr.
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It's like you're going in random circles with the need to paint two people as mafia instead of one??
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On December 10 2016 02:59 Tictock wrote:
My whole thing with HF today has been about setting Town on the path to victory. Sure if HF is town I think Emp should be the lynch, but I have real doubts about HF being Town.
I figured that by proposing we lynch HF we could ensure that he would not be able to run away with the game as scum and also get him to put forth his best thoughts if Town.
Now I get a town!HF might be frustrated with me suggesting this route, but this game will still be on a fine place tomorrow if we lynch him today.
Scum!HF does all the things I'm seeing HF do here. Call as many people into question as possible, go off about any little thing, undermine posts that are attempts to analyze people's posts, argue argue argue.
Since I still see a very real threat of a scum!HF I think he is the lynch today.
Dude just stop. I can't produce content because I'm at work the entirety of my life AND moving which I've mentioned non stop. Any content you get from me will be minimal at best. "pressuring" me to do stuff doesn't work.
Just stop calling me mafia and good things can happen.
Calling hf mafia is not a way to make hf productive, in fact the opposite.
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I feel like everything emp writes is absolutely appealing to emotion instead of solving the game. An excellent mafia strategy. Of course he can explain what he's thinking but that doesn't help solve the game.
I feel like he's made a blunder with the poe thing and can't adequately explain why we're mafia.
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Emp do something for me. I want you to do like a line summary of what you were thinking/did each day in the game up till now.
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Looking over HF's filter for a few things, in particular though I wanted to look back on SL's fake claim.
Here is HF's reaction: For reference this is pg 10 of HF's filter.
On December 04 2016 07:37 Holyflare wrote:
Eithwr way I don't know how it makes me confirmed town since kp is carried I definitely wouldn't carry it. Also the fact that regardless of if SL is jk or not I think that claim makes him town.
"Claim makes him Town regardless of being JK or not" huh.
Right after this HF goes and suggests Rels is mafia, then it's Rels/Me, then he wonders if Gell could be mafia. All of this with zero reasoning btw, literally just spouting out names, and I can't help but notice it is the names of the townier people who have been contributing all game. This is called fear mongering guys.
On December 05 2016 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
Rels you know mafia can change their actions in the resultion period right?
Tell me. Are you keeping this cc legitimately or are you going to rescind it? This is a 100% legitimate question because my next move is not a joke.
Noting this post as it is HF's reaction to day starting. his next post is voting for SL.
On December 05 2016 16:43 Holyflare wrote:Yeh, rels isn't jk but I'm still lynching sl 
On December 05 2016 16:44 Holyflare wrote:
None of you realise that:
Rels lied about the resolution period being last second so mafia couldn't do anything.
Didn't insta vote sl during the day.
Said game was easy since sl was confirmed town.
Really weird that HF is both voting SL and questioning Rels' claim. Especially when HF called SL "town, even if not JK" the night before. So suddenly HF is adamant about lynching SL but also doubts Rels? This makes. No sense to me.
On December 05 2016 16:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 08:29 darthfoley wrote:
Well I was like the only person to have any suspicion of LS so I guess in that sense you're killing off one of the hardest people to get mislynched, in a game where there's still a few people who could pretty easily get lynched/mislynched ATM.
We'll have to go back into his filter and see what his reads were LS was not confirmed, did nothing since day 1and isn't a threat at any stage of the game. You should ask yourself, why isn't mahrgell dead? Wall of text, very towny. Why isn't emperor or you dead? Also towny. I want to kill a fake jk because it makes tomorrow's nk game revealing information.
Love how HF questions why towny people are still alive but gets super upset when that question is asked about himself.
On December 05 2016 16:53 Holyflare wrote:
I'm more inclined to kill rels (purely because he didn't instantly rescinded his claim and is still perpetuating it). I had the same idea to fake jk but carrying on is bad.
Also one of emo/df/Margaret is mafia, guaranteed.
Literally one post after HF says to question why "towny Gell, Darth, or Emp have not been killed" he says there is for sure mafia in that group.
On December 05 2016 17:27 Holyflare wrote:
I'm voting tt because he called me not a good player and it'sp out of spite. You're right that I should be voting emperor though. I'll have to re-read stuff to make sure though but I feel like I'm on the right track. The ls kill is just too weird for me.
Had forgotten about this shit. This was HF suddenly thinking Emp and I were a team because Emp didn't vote me D1 near EoD.
This was the entirety of his thought on why I should be the lynch though he goes on to say stuff about Emp.
Once Rels returns and maintains his claim HF goes off about SL/Emp being the team. He also keeps talking about a TT/Emp team as well.
On December 06 2016 01:12 Holyflare wrote:
Emperor is mafia. I'm not backing down on this.
Except for today when he makes some towny post that HF never specifies or quotes, so we never know what can make a HF read flip on it's head so easily.
All this is perfectly in line with a mafia!HF he questions the validity of Rels claim while suggesting SL is still a good vote. He throws a bunch of shade around. Once Rels confirms his claim HF starts calling SL and Emp a team. Bleh there is a bunch of weird shit to cover here. Hell HF even said he thinks SL could even still flip green after a bunch of this shit.
I pulled out stuff that I took note of, I invite everyone to read a few pages of HF's filter starting at page 10 and see if you see the towny HF I'm not seeing.
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Dude just fucking stop.
Why is it you perpetually ask emperor questions and give him 1000 outs but every post you make about me is a fucking mafia narrative?
Why not just ask me what my EXPLAINED THOUGHT PROCESS WAS.
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Sl, very likely town, claimed jk, didn't die.
Rels, claimed jk at 30 minute silent period, I thought mafia could alter shots in the 30 minute silent period (asked about this) hence it was a bs claim.
People were saying NOT to kill between rels and sl. I vote sl to see what's happening and pressure rels because rels wasn't rescinding and i thought it was a bs play. (hence why asking real jk to claim if there was an actual one)
Sl didn't rescind after being alive and talking to rels.
Have to solve it
Some - redacted- thing happens.
I dig into filters for like the first time in the game and pick out emp's filter and it's riddled with wtf nu posts. You soundef like a robot. Think it could be both of you. Very convinced on emp at this point.
Rels can't possibly be mafia after redacted so sl is mafia or whatever I'm not sure about yet.
Sl returns and claims that he didn't knoe setup. I claim complete bs.
I make damning post on sl after thinking about it about how mafia knows there's a jk and if he fake claimed the right setup after tmiing about it then mafia would auto think he's actually jk and kill him but they didnt.
Smoking gun, sl is dead.
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On December 07 2016 09:19 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 09:13 Rels wrote:On December 07 2016 09:06 emperorchampion wrote:
Also I'm fine with people trying to lynch me because historically that's how I find scum For someone with this mindset you seem pretty unsure about TT ? Are you leaning more scum or town from his case(s ?) on you ? What's your thoughts on HF and DF ? Town apparently ? Why ? Yeah I think that's pretty apparent from the last few days. But I think the results are OK so far, day 2 was a wash cause of afk, but otherwise 2 scum lynches. DF reads as town to me, involved in the game and trying to solve. HF annoys me a lot, and at the moment I defer to the high town reads that a lot of other players have. HF is certainly more town than than TT and Onegu.
This is remarkable difference to just last night btw. I don't think onegu or darth have changed but the poe has.
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If I see bad points I'll call out the bull shit
All I am doing.
I have also said time and again that I am more paranoid about loosing this game to you as scum then Emp as scum.
I want to ensure Town doesn't loose to a scum!HF and have full confidence they will catch a scum!Emp without us.
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On December 10 2016 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like everything emp writes is absolutely appealing to emotion instead of solving the game. An excellent mafia strategy. Of course he can explain what he's thinking but that doesn't help solve the game.
I feel like he's made a blunder with the poe thing and can't adequately explain why we're mafia.
You're pretty much spot on with regards to the second paragraph, my mind is going in circles with who could be mafia.
On December 10 2016 03:58 Holyflare wrote:
Emp do something for me. I want you to do like a line summary of what you were thinking/did each day in the game up till now.
Day 1: Trying to establish townieness and form town circle. More or less figured out NU after his pushes on me.
Day 2: Thought that shape was more likely town, tried to get the most minimal thing out of him. Pretty much didn't do anything else since I spent a lot of time day 1, and shape / c8 demotivated me a lot.
Day 3: Initially thought that rels could be maf, that was quickly dashed by sl rescinding. Spent some time figuring out sl in my mind. Tried to determine townieness on TT / convince him I'm town.
Day 4: There was the claim thing where I thought the game might be over. Now trying to figure out who's town or not, and answer questions.
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