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Not sure who I'd lynch. I liked Acrofales response to iamperfections coordination attempt. Although I do think coordination is a good thing, perfection didn't invest much effort into thinkinng HOW to do it. Nor did he ask for ideas on how to do it. It could have easily been a fishing expedition and he quickly saw it was opposed and dropped it. Exo's prob town because of what everyone else already said. Wave mostly cause he doesn't seem to care what he posts. | ||
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Currently, I'd be able to vote koshi or hamualkdja;fldksghld;akjsgh. If Vivax continues to do nothing he's mafia. | ||
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I won't attack Sicklucker. Not sure about Glowingbear. Mostly it's cause I like how they play because they entertain me. I think the arguments against SL are crap. HF's could have some validity to it though but I'm not feeling it. I don't see how people can scum SL for wanting to focus fire, while most people agree that we should consolidate. | ||
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On October 21 2016 14:18 GlowingBear wrote: Btw I've just voted ritiky but it's more of a placeholder than anything else Why Ritoky? | ||
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On October 21 2016 14:20 sicklucker wrote: gb I claimed my hero name (not my powers) because anyone with dota lore knowledge should know that my abilitys enhance dmg done to a single target (1 player) and the reason I claimed is because I wanted us to stack kp as a consensus town. Now I regret it because town is playing awful :D I think rng will be better You want to stack on LT? | ||
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On October 21 2016 06:17 ritoky wrote: He's saying I am different and not having fun, which historically indicates I am mafia. Which is a fine enough read, but wrong. Mostly because I haven't played in over 6 months so I assume I am different, and I am not particularly enjoying playing. What do you think of Tictock, Stynx, Rels, or Haz Taco Bell? | ||
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On October 21 2016 14:36 sicklucker wrote: He townread me :D and townread hf for the same reason I do sadly lol ok. Anyone you want to melt face that isn't due to OMGUS? | ||
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On October 21 2016 14:16 sicklucker wrote: hum I think your town circle wants to kill me. I dont have many town reads and the ones I had I kind of want to burn in a fire. Theres like 0 chance town will coordinate from reading the thread. but if it happens and there not attacking me im down. Ok fair enough. I was referring to this line. Who exactly do you want to kill? | ||
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On October 21 2016 14:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Two things: Regardless of who came up with it, I like the KP stacking idea. It could very well be useful for scum but it's going to be useful for us too so I'm not looking too deeply at the fact that you came up with it SL, sorry. But you shouldn't be too worried anyway, which leads me to my second point: Why are none of you voting for mtpc right now? Seems like pretty clear scum atm. If you guys want to shoot someone, shoot into my list. I'll even put an order of priority: Lord Tolk >> Glowingbear >> sicklucker SL maybe you come off the list later today. We'll see what chhhhhappens I may end up on mtpc today. I'm still trying to decide about Koshi. I'm onboard with your list sans sicklucker. | ||
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On October 21 2016 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Because he isn't doing anything scummy per se, he just isn't doing anything period. AND I SHALL NOT SUFFER A LURKER TO LIVE Actually I wonder why I didn't include you on that list. Maybe you can replace SL. Whaddya think? I can understand how you'd want to. I haven't done anything yet. I haven't had my eureka moment which gets me productive. I just haven't seen anything that I think sticks out as scummy so I'm still figuring out who to vote for. I think Tictock would be better on your list, or even mtpc since you're the sole vote. | ||
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I'm going to filter Hopeless, Stynx, Luna, and Hama. I don't think mafia puts in the effort for that list post that ptmc did. At least not without more pressure to perform. | ||
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On October 21 2016 23:30 ptmc wrote: Can you give an example? I looked at HM3, where he posted a lot more actively than here. I just checked all his scum games. Here's the one he played with Ticktock and I http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=Vivax He did post more there. His other games do vary quite a bit. Hmm | ||
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On October 21 2016 23:48 iamperfection wrote: Who will be here at deadline reply to this post I will be. | ||
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On October 21 2016 01:20 HamazuraXTakitsubo wrote: Sicklucker feels like scum for me the reason HF mentioned, he is my most confident read atm. HF was referring to SL as being a player that's great with tinfoil and making plays. That he should see the benefits to mafia for town coordinating in thread and should be against this idea. You shouldn't know SL's tinfoil, so I'm assuming you think SL is scummy for thinking town should coordinate? Why not the others who think the same thing? | ||
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On October 22 2016 00:27 HamazuraXTakitsubo wrote: because those other players were not ok with town getting killed by a redirect while SL was. Ah. Well, he's usually in favor of killing everyone it seems regardless of his alignment. Do you have some lynch targets? I'm only really seeing Dandel ion and SL in your filter. | ||
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On October 22 2016 01:22 WaveofShadow wrote: So many one-of votes Hey iamp how do you feel about tubesock being the first one on the wagon you started? (for future reference I will not be around at deadline. I'd really like if we coordinated stuff beforehand) Technically I think Dandelion actually was first to say let's lynch Vivax. iamp simply did a +1. 23 hours ago I said if Vivax continues to do nothing then we should kill him. This sentiment from me is directly from my experience with him as a scummate before. iamp didn't bring Vivax up again till 2 hours ago. | ||
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I'm Dire. | ||
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On October 22 2016 02:46 Half the Sky wrote: Vote Count - Day 1 Lunaticman (5): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Skynx The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. I don't like the Lunaticman wagon. Ritoky, is guilty of overexplaining and the GIF thing per HF. Koshi isn't doing anything towny, Hazmatubo only talks setup and complains about shitposts while not having any good posts himself, I just like Sicklucker but don't evaluate him till after like D2, and Skynx. Skynx's main contribution is a list post with nothing in it. Vivax is flipping off everyone by blatantly and willfully not playing the game. At least if he didn't post, he'd be replaced. Now we'll have this shit for days and days and days. | ||
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On October 22 2016 03:20 Koshi wrote: Btw who are we attacking? I am watching a movie soon. Still need to send in. Someq in WoS his list? WoS said he is attacking LT. | ||
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On October 22 2016 03:27 beentheredonethat wrote: That's actually a bad reason and feels constructed. Are you pushing a mislynch here that seems to be on easy afk town? Except that it's the truth. | ||
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On October 22 2016 03:37 beentheredonethat wrote: This still stands by the way. "Vivax is capable as playing as town he isn't we should kill" - this clearly says that Vivax is not who we should kill. 10 minutes before, he said we should kill Vivax. He's saying that Vivax is a capable player when he rolls town. He's not capable here, therefore scum. | ||
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On October 22 2016 03:48 Holyflare wrote: People grow some balls and take stances on my tt post TT does look bad. I could switch. It's not like Vivax will all of a sudden start playing tomorrow. | ||
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On October 21 2016 16:05 Holyflare wrote: Well I mean there's a couple of things I take issue with tbh and they're the majority of his town reads. Things I like are kurumi read since that defence is wtf why, always gopd to habe pressure on me. And his ticktock read which everyone seemed to like tt's entry but i thought it was pretty bad. He talks about he doesn't want to speculate on setup and then talks about setup for the rest of his post and some useless crap about how he's going to be playing this game. And tt likes bm's forced looking post, that was really bad. Basically he's picking out things that don't make sense to pick out unless you're just aimlessly throwing reads at people. Scummy catch up is scummy. Also don't vote ptmc i think he's got towny tone and his posts aren't bad. | ||
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On October 22 2016 05:17 Dandel Ion wrote: as opposed to lunatic and skynx? (and you now i guess) colour me slightly queasy myself I'm ok with Lunatic more or less now. I think skynx is scummy but I don't think all the scum are on 1 or even 2. But I don't like being on the wagon with 3 people I don't trust. | ||
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On October 22 2016 05:37 beentheredonethat wrote: Id love to but why would ppl follow now if they havent all day? Koshi has 4 on him. Hazmatubo has 0. So uh why pick a wagon that has absolutely 0 chance of happening? | ||
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On October 22 2016 05:50 ptmc wrote: sup here? any quick tip to find out what's going on? Koshi or Tictock are the wagons. | ||
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1 Bill Murray 2 Rels replaced by Artanis[Xp] 3 Dandel Ion 4 Holyflare 5 Skynx 6 iamperfection 7 beentheredonethat 8 Lunaticman 9 HamazuraXTakitsubo 10 ptmc 11 ExO_ 12Acrofales 13 Eversince replaced by NocturneMage 14Kurumi 15Hopeless1der 16 ritoky 17 Vivax 18 Koshi 19 GlowingBear 20 sicklucker 21 WaveofShadow 22 Tubesock 23 Lord Tolkien | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + 1 Tictock 2 Rels 3 Vivax 4 Holyflare 5 Skynx 6 iamperfection 7 sicklucker 8 beentheredonethat 9 ExO_ 10 Lunaticman 11 HamazuraXTakitsubo 12 Tubesock 13 Bill Murray 14 Acrofales 15 Koshi 16 Eversince 17 ptmc 18 Kurumi 19 ritoky 20 Hopeless1der 21 Dandel Ion 22 WaveofShadow 23 GlowingBear 24 Lord Tolkien Beginning N1 List + Show Spoiler + 1 Bill Murray 2 Rels replaced by Artanis[Xp] 3 Dandel Ion 4 Holyflare 5 Skynx 6 iamperfection 7 beentheredonethat 8 Lunaticman 9 HamazuraXTakitsubo 10 ptmc 11 ExO_ 12Acrofales 13 Eversince replaced by NocturneMage 14Kurumi 15Hopeless1der 16 ritoky 17 Vivax 18 Koshi 19 GlowingBear 20 sicklucker 21 WaveofShadow 22 Tubesock 23 Lord Tolkien | ||
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On October 22 2016 08:36 NocturneMage wrote: this is also how he was when I played against him in star wars minus the pissing people off part, but I haven't played against him in awhile, still good to know. The way he responded to you is basically how he's responded to everyone so far. He does that in other games but he generally produces good content. Not this game however. | ||
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On October 23 2016 00:08 Kurumi wrote: You expected to do more damage to GB, did less and made no mention of it in the thread. Did you attack someone? If so, how much did you do? | ||
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On October 23 2016 00:18 Holyflare wrote: I absolutely do and think wave's reaction to it here: Is pretty bad because in my/lt/sl's world this only makes sense because we believe wave is mafia In wave's world (if he's town) then it's his scum read lt getting rid of town wave and sl stacking with me too But he said it's a good point which is kinda scummy response because it's only a good point if wave is mafia I don't totally agree with that. I think that it really depends on if WoS thinks he's a town leader and that there are better targets that mafia would go after and "order" LT or SL or you to hit. I wouldn't necessarily think that anyone attacking me would be mafia and I know I'm town. | ||
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On October 23 2016 01:21 WaveofShadow wrote: There definitely something fishy going on with the targets on me but of the three the only one I do think for sure is town is LT. This fits with how hes played in past games with me. Just wish he'd be more useful SL or HF could be faking damage or one of them could have been RBed (HF most likely). Can you explain this please? (Just the LT part) | ||
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On October 23 2016 02:07 beentheredonethat wrote: Also, Koshi should definitely be the lynch, even over Vivax. He was the "counter" wagon. HF, to clarify a bit more (if you still scumread me), town was pretty much afk EoD1, so there was no point in pursueing Koshi. My shennanies weren't executed due to this, too, so it was the best thing to consolidate on Tictock in case he was scum. I'm confused. So, you thought town was afk, so instead of going for Koshi, who've you were after, you decide to go after hazmatubo which no one was on. And would have required A LOT more people to be around to execute? I think you were trying to deflect and make some chaos. | ||
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On October 23 2016 02:16 beentheredonethat wrote: Except you have the order wrong. I pushed for shennanies, saw it didn't work out, then I chose to consolidate instead of voting for Koshi. Also, why should I stir up chaos as scum given that the Tictock wagon was not going to be derailed? Huh? how do I have the order wrong? Youve been after Koshi for quite some time. You then call for shenannies on Taco Bell instead of Koshi and end up on TicTock... Wait, are you saying that your shenannies failed because town was AFK and not because town just didn't agree that Taco Bell would have been better? | ||
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On October 23 2016 02:16 Skynx wrote: @Tubesock, iamp, HF. I'm also sick of your antics calling me useless with shit list but then feel not sure about my alginment. Man the fuck up vote me and see if you can convince other 20 people playing the game that I'm scum based on whatever reasons you have, if you have any if that is. LOL's you're cute | ||
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On October 23 2016 02:18 Acrofales wrote: Ok, been going over the damage and the claims. Biggest discrepancies so far: Sicklucker claims he can RB AND do a basic attack. I was told I have one action per phase, and basic attacks are actions, so I call bullshit. WoS didn't take enough damage. Claims 16 dmg. HF claims he hit for 5, LT claims 10, sicklucker claims unknown amount. ExO_ claims he hit Koshi, but he cannot have moved to Koshi. In fact, he cannot have moved anywhere except to me. Acro took too much damage. I took 7 dmg. Nobody claims an attack. Koshi didn't take enough damage. Claims 12 dmg. btdt claims he did 8. ExO_ claims unknown amount (4?). GB didn't take enough damage. Claims 6 dmg. Iamperfection claims > 6. Koshi claims 7. ritoky claims he tried, but was roleblocked. ptmc claims he hit BM. He cannot have moved to BM, and can only have hit Hamazooka (host error is possible, because if ptmc moved to where BM was BEFORE his move, then it all works) Questions: @ExO_: how much do you hit for? Someone could have redirected you to me. Not sure why, but we'll figure that out later. @ptmc: can you ask the hosts if they processed your move correctly? Will work on reads post and it will be up before just before resolution. I am around for chats. If you are looking for a target to shoot at tonight, I highly recommend, in order of importance: Vivax. Kill with fire Koshi. Disruptive scummy dirtbag. Skynx. 100% trash filter, and seriously flying under the radar. H1der. Scum until I say otherwise. LT. Lurker. GB. Lurker. HF. Haven't figured out the TT train yet, and while the case seems sincere (if just plain wrong), there is something off about him. Artanis. Lurker. That should do it for now. Am I the only person who wasn't notified at all about what damage I did? | ||
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On October 23 2016 02:28 Acrofales wrote: I don't think anybody got notified about how much damage they did. But your role pm says how much damage you *should* do, if all goes according to plan... OK. That's how I approached it when I reported in. SL reported that he enhances others damage. I dont recall him saying he roleblocked Ritoky just that Ritoky was probably. | ||
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On October 23 2016 02:35 Skynx wrote: Nice twitch chat guys, sadly no one gives a fuck Yeeeaaahhh. Ok, so in your list post you have HF as town because of aggro and calling shots. Then said something about it being a meta read. Can you clarify? Specifically what's his meta? Does he not call shots and be aggressive as mafia? So since you forgot Bill Murray and I in your list post, you didn't really think we were that scummy then? And you're really annoyed at Ritoky for asking you twice to answer a question about LT's entrance? Are you just that easily annoyable? | ||
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On October 23 2016 02:46 GlowingBear wrote: Also, I remember a guy that said I was playing like my most recent town meta, which made him think I was town. I don't remember if it was Tubesock or Tictock. At first it seemed genuine but now I think it reeks TMI. If it was TT then it was genuine LOL. Was TicTock. We haven't played together in years I think. | ||
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On October 23 2016 02:56 Holyflare wrote: Artanis is without a doubt mafia by the way. His lack of filter? | ||
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On October 23 2016 02:57 Skynx wrote: 1) Yes, HF does establish himself as a fuhrer early on, pushing literally everyone for minimal reasons. He than tunnels some random person for whatever reason + town ends up following him for whatever reason and that person flips town. I'll actually bet some billion esports dollars that HF is town here cuz of meta. 2) Yes and no. I had small reasons to not like you early on in the D1, this wasn't a hard sr commital and I was trying to see if anyone wants to jump on it or question me for those reads. They were kinda bad and I forgot about them now cuz you guys are flying under the radar and other Reds in my list are more out there in the game as being bad. I need to re-read you guys when i got some time. 3) Yeah and no, I don't get annoyed I just ignore/mute people that annoy me. Ritoky in this case also happened to play bad earlier on so now i can sr him happy days. 1) Guess I just disagree that that's his meta. I think he does that as mafia also... 2) ok. So I missed it, can you refresh me who were bigger Reds in your mind? 3) Your hypocrisy is delicious. Scumming LT for muting players he doesn't know is no different than ones that annoy you. | ||
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On October 23 2016 03:15 Acrofales wrote: What point about SL attacking wave? It's literally the first point I have. He claims he roleblocked AND hit WoS. Makes no sense. And no, H1der isn't modconfirmed for trying to figure out what happened with actions. Scum wants to figure that shit out too. He spent most of the night pissing around on mechanics and OMGUSing me. On October 22 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote: nope.... its just obvious he was if his said ability did not work He didn't really say he RB'd Ritoky. He did later say he attacked WoS. | ||
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Voting Vivax, but I'd love the second wagon to be Skynx. | ||
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On October 24 2016 00:48 iamperfection wrote: he said he attacked me. i didn't comment at all on taking damage yet he claims an attack why would he do that as scum? It is an interesting question. But looking at his movement he may not have been able to hide it. Better to say he did than have someone else bring it up. What I don't get is he was the spot above you, then moved below you to hit? I don't understand that part. Looks like you would have hit HF or he went for Beentheredonethat. | ||
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On October 24 2016 01:00 iamperfection wrote: if btdt is scum he has a massive tone shit and approach from his newbie game im pretty confident in top town read I'm wondering if Skynx attacked him either on purpose or a result of redirection. I guess it doen'st matter, neither really makes him mafia or town. | ||
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I can't even speculate on if it's a town ability or not. I don't think it clears him. All of his play points to mafia. | ||
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Just for the record, I don't think that's true. It isn't advanced mafia play to know you need to have a reason you can point back to for your actions/reads. | ||
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On October 24 2016 05:56 Bill Murray wrote: Ah ok well good ... what do u think of sick lockers plan yeah I htought we all basically agreed to do that (assuming you're talking about claiming attacks and damage taken). Then people stopped for whatever reason. | ||
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On October 24 2016 06:15 beentheredonethat wrote: Which action have you done on iamp? You can only submit one action per cycle. So what do you mean? I thought your action was cloning yourself? You're mistaken with Koroko. | ||
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On October 24 2016 06:14 beentheredonethat wrote: Why would mafia hit a town person that is scumread by the most? It would actually cost mafia a mislynch if you would flip town due to attacks. I'm pretty sure you know that. You're scum 150%. I'm not sure I know who you're talking to. You think Iamperfection is 150% mafia? What? | ||
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On October 24 2016 06:21 beentheredonethat wrote: I think the key here is to combine town players to shoot Vivax and lynch Koshi or the other way round. I don't understand. I guess I can see have some townies coordinate to kill koshi (but then mafia can protect so...) but I don't see a problem with lynching Vivax and having a secondary lynch just in case he's telling the truth. If he's not, then what did town lose? I'm having trouble seeing the downside. | ||
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On October 24 2016 06:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I don't really think Skynx is mafia anymore. ##Unvote ##Vote GlowingBear The fire rises. Anything specific about Skynx? So far I've only liked his post that was about the movement and who attacked GB I think it was. And that can probably come from mafia. Part of me feels like GB would play more if he rolled mafia. His "why did I sign up" post(s) seemed geniune to me. | ||
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Vivax, Skynx, Koshi Hamaztubo, Lord Tolkien Ritoky, GlowingBear Sicklucker My biggest problem with this is they are all lurkers. Rereading Acrofales, Dandel Ion, iamperfection I just can't see how they could be mafia. Statistically though, it's improbable that mafia are all lurkers. I think everyone in the game would kill HF if they were mafia, so it's not really informative that HF scummed: Vivax, Skynx and Koshi (also Art, beenthere,Lunat, ExO, Kurumi, GB, WoS). But if they are mafia then it would be double motivation to kill HF. Koshi already claimed hitting him. NocturneMage was clearly tryhard so that's a good reason to kill him too. He also scummed Koshi, Skynx and Vivax. Along with Lunatic and was suspicious of Kurumi, GB, TL, ExO, Bill, Hazmatubo. The kills also implicate Kurumi, ExO and GB. I eliminated kurumi and ExO but don't really remember why. HF was warming up to GB. So, anyone want to talk about LT, Ritoky, or GlowingBear? I think Hazmatubo will be replaced, and I think Sicklucker will be figured out a little bit better later. (I'm right about Siclucker 50% of the time 70% of the time) | ||
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On October 24 2016 06:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Just the martyr into ah fuck it I should try felt genuine to me. Meh, I don't agree. GB is legendary for falling off after D1 as mafia, and I think he's a lot more likely to step it up by now if he's town. True on GB. I guess I felt like he never got on to be able to fall off. I feel your pain with Lord also. Really he's like GB, there just isn't anything there at all to judge on. | ||
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On October 24 2016 06:40 Koshi wrote: MAYBE JUST FUCKING LET ME DO IT AND THEN JUDGE IF IT WAS WORTH IT OR PRO TOWN OR W.E. This I agree with. I don't think there's much downside to it. Outside some crazy mechanic. On October 24 2016 06:41 Koshi wrote: Not only am I confirmed town for having a double lynch. I am also confirmed town for how many people are jumping on this while I am not even up for discussion to be lynched today. People just want to see it fail. Haha no way man. There's nothing wrong with being skeptical of this ability. On October 24 2016 06:41 Koshi wrote: Skynx/Luna/Vivax/Acrofoles/sicklucker I can see arguments for everyone but Acrofoles. Why Acro? Hell, what's your reasons on SL too? | ||
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On October 21 2016 17:42 ritoky wrote: I think the 2 best candidates for lynch who are outside of policy-sub/modkill range are GB and Lunatic. Lunatic's case is pretty simple: I don't think he believes or cares very much about his reads. He has said Koshi is mafia since his first post for essentially being Koshi. But he hasn't made any real substantive push to try and convince people to get on board his Koshi lynch, he has just kind of left it sitting there passively. I don't even know the details of why he believes Koshi is mafia, but he says it so much in his filter that you would think he is tunneled. But then you read his filter and he doesn't seem tunneled at all, he isn't working to get people on board his target; I think he doesn't particularly care to lynch scum. There's something funky with his HF read, primarily with its basis being garbage. He town reads him, then flips basically because of omgus, then apparently wants to lynch HF but treats him like Koshi. HF not pushing back to the point of trying to lynch Luna over this hot trash read gives me some pause, but at least he called him likely mafia. GB is a variety of things. He is overall underwhelming thus far. He didn't show any excitement I was in the game. I don't see any of his spastic town/trying to make a play town tendencies. His just agree with HF rather than try to engage him to get a read seems off and like it may come from a place of extra information. He stated a placeholder vote, when I feel like town GB would more likely use his vote as a weapon to gauge reaction rather than literally tell me he wasn't serious about his vote. Since both you (Art and Koshi) have played with Ritoky a bunch and are meta-y. IS this the normal kind of case Ritoky does? I haven't played with him in a longtime but I thought his town posts were much more concise and he always went after people who were "overexplainers". This seems fairly overexplained to me. He usually does something that I think makes him 100% town, much like he talks about here: On October 23 2016 04:54 ritoky wrote: 1) because while other people think it is stupid and have told me so on multiple occasions and lynched me over it; i am a firm believer in the game philosophy that 1 moment in someone's filter can make them irrevocably town or mafia. i think this is especially the case with new players. many people lose sight of a moment of clarity over the course of 10 days as it gets muddled in shitwater; i try to hold on to those moments. 2) it's 100 pages, i don't remember who started trains that 15 people agree on, maybe it was you. but what you said about those trains i had read before from multiple people. so basically what i am saying is it didn't advance my opinion to a new understanding about the players you were scum reading, and didn't spark interest/awareness; it simply re-hashed whats already been said. it also lacked an a-ha or keen observation which would make me think "wow btdt is really looking at this game critically, damn sooooo town." so basically it didn't adjust my read on your scum reads or you. i do like that you care about your reads though, that's more than many. But not yet, not sure if htat's due to him not having played and he changed since it's been 6+ months? | ||
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On October 24 2016 06:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm mostly getting a TR on ptmc through reading SL's filter. Thanks SL. Also kinda agree on Wave looking meh. This post "Oh also I dunno I can't think of anything to say I just want to post" feels like he's overcompensating a bit. I guess I'm ok with SL. I like WoS the most. The only argument I can really see is that he jumped all over SL's ass for thinking that coordinating attacks was a good idea, yet a couple of Wave's posts prior were exactly that. And then even after he wanted to shoot in a group. I can see someone saying they just want to post. This game does have some long quiet periods where no one is around. | ||
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On October 24 2016 07:00 sicklucker wrote: Like people are all calling bill scum and ptmc before I put a stop to that. Also calling me scum. So its hard to trust the other scum reads of any of these people atm You have to admit, you get called scum every game...You make it tough to read you. I think ptmc is basically mod confirmed town, so yeah... Who called Bill scum other than HF (who bascially had him as suspicious) | ||
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On October 24 2016 06:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Last time I waffled on him he was mafia. He felt very agreeable and a bit of a pleaser that game which is not an impression I'm getting from him this game. Can you show me where he's not being very agreeable and a bit of a pleaser? | ||
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On October 21 2016 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote: No its absolutely wrong and obviously so. Nothing stopping mafia from redirecting town KP to town and attempting to make it look like scum protected themselves. And before that quote you said: On October 21 2016 00:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh shit I forgot about that. OK let's stack KP on someone by end of day? Actually if we coordinate enough we can kill 2 people maybe (depending on hp and KP amounts?) Maybe we just do one actually. Dandel who you wan me kill? Are people on board for this? People should be on board for this. On October 21 2016 00:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Also iamp I can hit anyone I want so maybe melee/ranged is a thing? PS before anyone starts on me, scum absolutely know all of this already. On October 21 2016 00:58 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm willing to risk the coordination for this I love when people die HF quit being such a JAT and have some fun On October 21 2016 01:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm cool with KPing into a small pool though of people are that terrified. Having balanced a game like this before I'm REALLY not that concerned about the strength and consequences of redirecting and whatnot. In fact, there is often a fair amount of info to be gained from it. Most important thing would be not to reveal numbers (ie your hp or how much damage you do) and only reveal how much damage was taken at phase change. What did I miscomprehend? | ||
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On October 24 2016 08:18 WaveofShadow wrote: So in case you're still having problems with comprehension, I have been on board with focusing fire from the start, but what is wrong, is the fact that the fire being redirected does not automatically make the original target scum. I see it now. | ||
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##Vote: Vivax ##Vote: Skynx If it ever looks like Vivax starts losing votes I will be back in him. This is purely to help get second wagon. | ||
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On October 24 2016 22:55 iamperfection wrote: Does anyone remember someone saying the Holyflare kill wasn't surprising. I know someone said it but I can't remember who I said everyone in the game would probably have killed HF if they were mafia. | ||
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Cause HF gets NK'd a lot and is scary for mafia. And while we have town leaders, they are not in a circle and HF was the most influential (see lynch). | ||
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On October 24 2016 23:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Could be that my ritoky townread is off-point. He's a sly bugger but I think it's still likely accurate. SL I mostly townread for having similar thoughts but that's pretty meh. Wish Rso was in the game so I could tell if he's scum or not from whether he reads her posts. Problem is neither of those fit the feeling I'm getting. I guess it could be something like SL/Tubesock and other mid-range posters creating that feeling? Still going through Wave's filter but not really noticing anything that makes me scream scum. He comes off as very nonchalant but it doesn't come off scripted. Blehhhhhhh I think you're wrong on Ritoky. He seems pretty amicable. | ||
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On October 24 2016 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Did you see the posts I quoted on him? I disagree strongly. I did. We will have to agree to disagree. | ||
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*Work cancelled so you guys are stuck with me for the next few hours. I'm voting Vivax. I want the second wagon to be Skynx. | ||
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Towns: beentheredonethat 1 of Koshi/Artanis (and only because of dead HF) I think that's it. Scums: HolyFlare Koshi (if not Koshi then Artanis[Xp] and 100% sheep of HF) I don't know Lunaticman. Never played with him. But if he is mafia, is he lunatic enough to tunnel hard on 2 strong willed players? Like right out the gate. He immediately votes Koshi, then still within the first 12 hours or so of the game he starts on HF. And Never leaves either of them the ENTIRE time. He's still on Koshi. Mafia or town, going headstrong on HF kinda means you just may die. Lunaticman attacks and goes after him. He doesn't veer off from them. WHich i think is towny too. I know when I start thinking strongly that someone is mafia, I get more obstinate. It pretty much dominates my conversation if no one is listening or agreeing. There was shade on HF when he wasn't playing. Then he did and everyone thought he was town (otherwise why follow his TT case?). Lunatic still scum'd him till HF died. He had perfect opportunity to town HF and get off HF's bad side and still look good for going up against him. But town doesn't do that. I spoiled a few of his posts but not all. The ones I skipped either were repeats of earlier posts (like HF is scum for making him appear bad) etc. I think his main crime isn't putting in 12 hours a day here and only giving 5 player reads. Maybe a bit defensive but I've seen worse from town. Lunaticman is town. + Show Spoiler [1st post votes Koshi] + On October 20 2016 19:32 Lunaticman wrote: I just can't handle more of Koshi's platitudes. Obvious scum play as usual. #Vote Koshi + Show Spoiler [towns beenthere] + On October 20 2016 21:30 Lunaticman wrote: The tone of beentheredonethat reads as town to me, putting him in my town circle for now. + Show Spoiler [Fear reads HF, next post scums HF] + On October 21 2016 01:22 Lunaticman wrote: HF, looking like town but I'm not ready to buy what's on sale yet. Still have trust issues with you. On October 21 2016 04:37 Lunaticman wrote: That is some shady accusations without any reasons and I beg to differ greatly. I have been on point, I think you are trying to undermine my credibility. Typical mafia play. Second mafia is probably HF after Koshi. + Show Spoiler [angst spirit] + On October 21 2016 04:39 Lunaticman wrote: Stop sheeping and undermining me, I was meta reading Koshi independently from anyone, in fact bt was sheeping my read not the other way around. HF is obviously trying to make me look scum. + Show Spoiler [defensive] + On October 21 2016 04:46 Lunaticman wrote: I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why. On October 21 2016 04:50 Lunaticman wrote: haha yes you can say it like that if you want but it is more the way it was done. No reasoning just undermining my credibility with no reason and ignoring it as soon as possible, changing the subject from Koshi etc. + Show Spoiler [More HF Scum] + On October 22 2016 18:39 Lunaticman wrote: HF this entire post is just undermining town authority, not one real target just suspicion on an endless merry go around. Your playing exactly like Koshi. You also spend to much time mining credibility from other players making sure to get on their good side and playing on your reputation. For example why are there no townies on your list? That is more important than 6 different scum reads that amount to nothing. A more productive move would be to try to analyze how the wagon formed and why. That way we could probably see if Koshi was indeed saved by a scum mate or not. On October 22 2016 19:07 Lunaticman wrote: Chill, maybe I was a bit vague. I wanted you to elaborate a bit more on the "case" from your perspective and why the miss lynch was so successful. So I can analyze if you are indeed town or not. For example you look extremely scummy for saving Koshi and miss lynching. I also find it disturbing that even though you haven't contributed with anything productive for the town expect a miss lynch you still seem to want to be the town leader. Everything I have seen from you points to you being mafia, especially from a meta perspective. The only thing I find a bit lenient is that town tends to make more mistakes than mafia so that's nice I suppose. + Show Spoiler [Koshi/Art 1 is mafia] + On October 24 2016 00:10 Lunaticman wrote: There is one scum between Koshi/Artanis we have to put trust in HF:s read. I'm sorry I ever doubted you HF! <3 On October 24 2016 23:48 Lunaticman wrote: Also either of Art and Koshi are mafia so you remember when I die. | ||
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Skynx....he lurks, fucked off when he's off the wagon ala Vivax style, martyr's and appeals to your emotional side so he can live. He made promises and hasn't done shit. I'm his biggest scumread (and Hopeless1) and we have seen absolutely 0. Because there isn't shit to case since he knows we are town. | ||
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On October 25 2016 03:50 Acrofales wrote: Skynx's reactions yesterday were pretty solid townie. I will go back and filter him again, seeing as I didn't get very far with Luna. Your question whether he would tunnel two dangerous townies right off the bat is a pretty good point. Usually scummers are careful not to pick fights with strong players (unless they are both scum and stage their fight, which is damned hard to do). On the other hand I don't feel he was picking a fight with HF. He was definitely tunneled on Koshi. But his whole mindset around HF is just... weird. And it's not even really that he wouldn't pick a fight on HF. It's that mafia might do that, BUT they certainly would try to get out of it later when they had good opportunity (when thread sentiment backed off HF) | ||
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On October 25 2016 03:51 Acrofales wrote: Having H1 as a scum read is a pretty solid one imho, and other than your stream-of-consciousness at night, it's hard to see you as townie too. That's fine. But he promised to case us. We're both probably easy to get lynched. (Less Hopeless I think). But the only people think I'm town is Bill Murray. Not exactly a great knight in shining armor. He hasn't cased me because he's waiting on someone else to break the ice then pile on. Blending and shit. | ||
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On October 25 2016 03:57 Dandel Ion wrote: so you like that he only has a few reads, hardtunnels on those and doesnt even look at anybody else? ok it's almost funny how opposing my opinion is on all of this changing your mind is largely a town tell, scum are often too shot in on little details and 'gottem' things that give them an excuse to scumread townies. figuring out whether you are right is a town thing to do, and sometimes you may notice you are not. scum rarely bother and only change reads if they feel they HAVE to. well bad scum at least and im guessing thats applicable here. target selection is a whole different matter entirely personally i (and my scumgame sucks dickballs ask anybody) did exactly that for this very reason before. "why pick a fight with town leader X?" 1) because it actually throws off that person's read 2) because exactly that question 3) because going against thread sentiment is somehow seen as more 'valuable' than following it it also shits up the thread and can tilt people beyond all rational thought. when i do it at least. i have no idea if lunatic would do that, and/or for those reasons. dont know the guy. but its very far from a town tell. regardless of anything, excusing your reads with "a dead townie said so" and nothing else makes me grab the rope. but that might just be me too. I have seen plenty (and done it myself) where town went obstinate and stubborn. I've seen several mafia pick fights to pick fights and shit the thread. But what happens so often is they find a reason to town the person and get back on their good side. I think Luna had a good opportunity to change his read on HF to make it look like he was town for sticking up and reevaluating. I just don't think mafia would risk having someone like HF lynch you before you can NK him. | ||
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On October 25 2016 04:03 Dandel Ion wrote: and the fear read -> scum read on HF looks so much like a scum leaving his options open from the get-go and then taking that backdoor that, well, that might be what it is. saw opportunity to omgus, overreacted to a relatively neutral comment, never revisits the original part at all: NOPE GOTTA FITE That's possible I just think mafiaLuna would have taken the opportunity to reverse his scum on HF and live. Especially if he doesn't have a lot of time to play and/or is having trouble posting. I do agree with you shouldn't blindly and completely take a dead townies word. | ||
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On October 25 2016 04:05 Dandel Ion wrote: but if he's scum he knows they're gonna NK HF? so he knows he doesnt need to stop? I think that's a pretty dangerous bet isn't it? Game this large probably has protection, and also themed. Plus there's risk of getting lynched too. Anyway, that's what I think. I think he's flipping town. | ||
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On October 25 2016 04:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Except that not liking tea makes me a monster. Tea just really isn't that good. tea is mostly gross. | ||
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On October 25 2016 04:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Now you're just blatantly buddying me. Tea being bad is still a true statement. | ||
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On October 25 2016 05:19 Acrofales wrote: WTF is GB's filter?! Not sure it's scum, but there is literally 0 effort there. He admits to barely reading the thread, throws a vote at Iamp, for a completely bizar bullshit reason, and.. well.. not much else. Problem is that it is just too shitty to really take anything indicative of alignment from it: is someone playing extremely badly scum playing badly? Or town playing badly? Either way, has to die because there is no way to know. Wouldn't lynch today, but if I had that yummy Lina laguna blade ability, it would be hitting him in the face (well, him, or LT. Maybe Hama, have to reread all the short filters). agreed. Same about LT. | ||
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On October 25 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Wtf happened? Koshi? Also I got dealt 5 damage somehow. someone attacked you. I attacked Skynx. Tonight I attack either Vivax or Koshi. Koshi was hit for 30 yesterday so is already wounded. | ||
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On October 25 2016 07:24 sicklucker wrote: huh ya I tottaly gave you a post modifier you and gb. Its not single target I had to use it on both of you. im a little disapionted mods tell you not to post tho. nothing about that in my role description So you post restricted a lurker? That's the scummiest thing ever. | ||
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On October 26 2016 09:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Also who was btdt attacking with his power? Koshi? The both of them should be nearly dead I think. Been attacked Lunaticman. + Show Spoiler + On October 26 2016 01:16 beentheredonethat wrote: We should attack the fuck out of Vivax and Luna and I really want town to coordinate attacks. I will attack Lunatic. Sicklucker, ptmc, WoS, please do so, too, with the maximum attack damage you have. Dandel, iamp, Acro, please attack Vivax. Artanis, you too. Putting this out here again. GB and Koshi should be fairly low health sans heals. | ||
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On October 26 2016 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh that's very interesting. Did Lunatic ever claim being hit before? Who did btdt attack before? Was it Koshi? I guess I was assuming he'd try to max out his power by going for the same person both nights but if thought Koshi was scum D1 and then not D2 that obviously makes sense Luna hasn't claimed who he's attacked ever. I have to go but I'm planning on looking through Btdt's filter tomorrow. I like your vote thing. The only thing I really sort of kinda of disagree is that Koshi isn't really town. I liked his last few posts and emotion stuff and that made me change my target from him to Skynx and then to Lord Tolkien. But Koshi shouldn't be towned for mechanics stuff. I think that if town can have mafia powers then mafia could have "town" powers. and there is no better wat to seemingly confirm himself to suck up a no lynch and then do a double lynch the next day. Or the part of his power that the mods didn't tell him is that it nullifies lynches on the first day then the next it goes double or soemthing. | ||
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On October 27 2016 08:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Hi tubesock! May as well claim 3p now Join the fun! haha yeah I'm π party. | ||
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Anyone looked at where the possible places Vivax put his mines? I can soak up some damage and I won't die from it. Soo I should move one or closer to Vivax when he goes boom | ||
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On October 27 2016 11:45 WaveofShadow wrote: So paranoia has kicked in. Acro I'd really appreciate if you could do away with GB with enough time left in the day for us to organize ourselves. It's not that I don't trust you, but I don't trust you. Guys, unless Acro does this, I expect you to be stacking KP onto GB. Doesn't seem too unreasonable. I'll hit GB | ||
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On October 27 2016 12:34 Hopeless1der wrote: Will you be around in the ~hour leading up to deadline? yes I think so | ||
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On October 28 2016 03:16 Skynx wrote: 2) No, we're not killing Lunatic, we're killing Vivax. We won't getting anything out of pressuring either of them, cuz they just bullshit. Like I dunno how you can see the bolded here... HE IS SCUM, SCUM USED ABILITY TO SAVE HIS ASS... We probably don't lose anything with having Lunatic being the second wagon. If it somehow goes no lynch again, we kill Koshi at night and then basically have the longest day 2 in TL history (due to 2 no lynches). We get a double lynch then we are caught back up to a normal game. | ||
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On October 28 2016 03:24 Skynx wrote: Ooooooh so you guys actually still think double lynch is an option lol... Koshi said it was. I don't see a world where he lies, and if he did, I don't see what the harm could be due to Vivax auto-lynch. I don't think it's something to spend any brain power on. Town loses nothing either way. Really gains a little bit by havign to decide a secondary. | ||
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On October 28 2016 03:25 WaveofShadow wrote: What I'm assuming is going to happen is Koshi gets role blocked so the double doesn't happen, but vivax goes through. It's annoying because we can't confirm Koshi then but he's still lower on the suspicious list for me. There is no way in hell a no lynch is a repeatable action because it's just an auto win for scum. I think it's a bad idea to confirm Koshi if hte double goes through. Even if Viv and Luna are scum. I would absolutely sacrifice two teammates like this to get confirmation. I bet you would too. Sicklucker Orbed his Palmar scummate (who wasn't even under suspicion) and went to win that one game cause he was confirmed. It's a great play and even low risk with how these two are playing. | ||
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On October 28 2016 03:32 WaveofShadow wrote: I can agree with this, but he's still ultra low priority. I agree. He's days away | ||
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On October 28 2016 07:00 Dandel Ion wrote: so its actually tubesock -> kurumi kurumi -> koroko OR exo -> tubesock exo -> TS makes sense where the 7 dmg come from. Probably safe to say it was ExO since he cased me | ||
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On October 28 2016 07:07 sicklucker wrote: Third party if you want to extend the game and reach your goals attack in this list. iamperfection Skynx - no idea Dandel Ion - average chance of being mafi Koroko - who? no idea who this is probably mafia Kurumi - seemed pretty scummy too ExO_ - i feel like we have alot of useless towns jsut a hunch ;P Tubesock - high chance of being mafia Hopeless1der - high chance of being mafia I don't think iamp or Dandel Ion can be mafia. Koroko is meepo. ExO can easily be mafia for nitpicking so much and his uncalled for abrasion. You (SL) havne't done anything that you normally do as town. you should be in this list too. | ||
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On October 28 2016 07:14 sicklucker wrote: koroko is third party too? nice this should be easy. I think dandel is probably more likely mafia now since your defending him and exo is not ;p OK. So when I flip town then you'll kill ExO? | ||
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On October 28 2016 07:18 sicklucker wrote: who here is a meele hero btw? its important I know lol I am. Although I can sometimes have a ranged attack. | ||
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On October 28 2016 07:22 sicklucker wrote: who made those nice list order posts? wheres the most updated one Uh literally the first post of the last page...219 | ||
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On October 28 2016 07:26 sicklucker wrote: so you attacked lunatic correct? He even said so in his player list post.... | ||
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On October 28 2016 07:31 sicklucker wrote: where do you think I got this information? see posts like this are why I think your scum they add nothing but to discredit me So you were checking to see if Koroko was lying about being 3rd party? Or that Dandel Ion would lie about who he attacked between posts that were literally 1 page apart? Night started like 1/2 hour ago... You're showing you are not reading the thread. You still haven't said anything why I'm high chance of mafia. | ||
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On October 28 2016 07:23 Dandel Ion wrote: i still believe iamp, wave and ptmc to be town, or town enough that i'll worry about them last. which leaves me with Koshi Skynx Kurumi Exo Tubesock hopeless1der BM sicklucker ritoky Artanis So I kinda agree with this list. I agree that Ritoky is 3rd party. I'm less convinced about Artanis though. But that's all based on feels. We should just kill everyone on this list in whatever order you guys decide. I'd think that if we kill a couple townies in a row then should look at Iamp, Dandel, and Wave. | ||
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On October 28 2016 07:52 sicklucker wrote: In a list of 7 players who I think can be scum and I have a scum read on you for many reasons I have just listed some. For example I just went throuh your filter and you only ever interact with people I think are town. Never with the people I think are scum. Its acualy insane I think your filter is the biggest spew filter I have ever seen. Heres the peopel you interact with alot (its really easy to see because your entire filter is you quoting people and responding to them) Alot of interaction - acrofales - non mafia Me - town Holyflare - town wave - town ritoky- third party ptmc - town iamp - maybe town from this spew beentheredonethat - town nm - town skye ??? Artanis a small amount of interaction - dandel = (for dandels filter size I dont think there is very much) Zero interaction - hopeless ( except your post just now) his filter is small so im not sure on him - Everyone else including my mafia reads and exo who might just be mafia or never posts Hell heres your earliest reads list 0 mafia in here I think other then vivax which was an obvious bus by everyone Vivax, Skynx, Koshi Hamaztubo, Lord Tolkien Ritoky, GlowingBear Sicklucker This is acualy an epic spew I think. If I go through my pow list and see who tubesock has not interacted with in the thread that makes the mafia team the following. Tubesock hopeless Kurumi ( zero interaction yet they are attacking each other I dont buy it maybe just lyying) Dandel Exo is mafia afterall it seems? still not sold on this could be one of the third partys or just 4 mafia. Skynx does not look like a bus probably town via spew lol I'd interact with whomever talked to me. And I don't think Kurumi attacked me. ExO did.... | ||
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Also, I think of all the people who play TL mafia you are probably 1 of the 2 best who can read me. You should know better. I get called out for "not interacting" 80% of the time or "buddying" some people and I flip town. Won't be different here. | ||
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Cept it's totally wrong. But really we kill/lynch the people in the 7-8 POE'd (from mutlitple people) and we will find out. | ||
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On October 28 2016 10:12 sicklucker wrote: thats what a scum who didnt want kp on them would say Feel free to hit me then. I have 2/3 of my starting HP. | ||
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On October 28 2016 11:58 iamperfection wrote: 9 ExO_- his filter is bad with crying about wave showing some shade towards like what does he expect this is mafia game but i think post 3693 is solid case and point. The hard defense in tubesock comes out of nowhere and exo brings up are good and I think tube is mafia After I die, kill ExO_. All of his points against his scum targets are nitpicky and he fakes rage to show emotion. I'm guilty of what ExO_ said. I thought Lunatic was town. I then went through his filter and took notes and quotes while I went. I then put forth that case which everyone quickly disregarded. There wasn't much point in pushing it and he didn't exactly seem to care to live. I think Koshi, Sicklucker and I are probably never going to be figured out without dying. So you should kill us all fairly quickly. After I die and you see I flip green then kill ExO_ and look at Skynx. | ||
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On October 24 2016 06:37 Tubesock wrote: + Show Spoiler + My scum list is scummiest to least: Vivax, Skynx, Koshi Hamaztubo, Lord Tolkien Ritoky, GlowingBear Sicklucker My biggest problem with this is they are all lurkers. Rereading Acrofales, Dandel Ion, iamperfection I just can't see how they could be mafia. Statistically though, it's improbable that mafia are all lurkers. I think everyone in the game would kill HF if they were mafia, so it's not really informative that HF scummed: Vivax, Skynx and Koshi (also Art, beenthere,Lunat, ExO, Kurumi, GB, WoS). But if they are mafia then it would be double motivation to kill HF. Koshi already claimed hitting him. NocturneMage was clearly tryhard so that's a good reason to kill him too. He also scummed Koshi, Skynx and Vivax. Along with Lunatic and was suspicious of Kurumi, GB, TL, ExO, Bill, Hazmatubo. The kills also implicate Kurumi, ExO and GB. I eliminated kurumi and ExO but don't really remember why. HF was warming up to GB. + Show Spoiler + So, anyone want to talk about LT, Ritoky, or GlowingBear? I think Hazmatubo will be replaced, and I think Sicklucker will be figured out a little bit better later. (I'm right about Siclucker 50% of the time 70% of the time) On October 25 2016 20:13 beentheredonethat wrote: + Show Spoiler + Also, we should pile up votes on ritoky asap. He has six pages of filter where he's not pushing anyone. Bragging about "I have lots of townreads but no scumreads" which kind of is a safe way to lurk around. Also talking about his brother's marriage, a Seahawks game, asking questions to GB but then not following up, instead bragging about "I dived BM's filter it's shit but he's town". This guy comes on my scum pile. Also, Skynx, as he dropped again under the radar and I cannot tell if he actually did something this game or not. He's absolutely unmemorable and I don't think that this is good. Dandel posted in a not-really-contributing way D2. Was happy with having voted and did some banter, including gems like "u fokkin wat mate??". Then, some sicklucker stuff, mainly about having two actions. Which actually is an interesting point. I can do one action per cycle. Sicklucker claims to have done two in one cycle? The more I hear about this guy the more I want him dead. He's just creating more and more confusion (nevertheless I think he's actually town). Well, Dandel... yeah, no, that's not enough for a town read. Bill Murray at this point goes on the "lynch/kill idc" pile, i.e. scum. Self-explanatory. Not participating at all, he should be modkilled as soon as possible. It's absolutely frustrating to have such players in a game where you put effort in. I still haven't got a final judgement of Artanis. It's interesting that he seemingly was fine with believing Koshi's claim D2 (telling me even that Koshi's rage is town indicative for him) yet he's neither hard defending nor is he pushing him. He's wishywashy at best at this point. Also, he's hard townreading ritoky for meta reasons which I absolutely do not like. Tubesock and Acro are in his "people-that-are-present-and-kinda-doing-things range" which he claims to be a town lean - and with that, he never looked into them again. Hard scumread on Vivax, soft defense on Lunatic, meta reasons again. Gets called out for that Lunatic meta read tho and gets proven wrong. Decides to townread Acro, puts Wave into the center of attention and townreads him, townreads Sicklucker, too. After all, his filter has a lot of reads which are kinda ballsy and not exactly thread-sentimenty. Artanis comes on the town pile now. ExO_ completely disappeared. Four pages of filter. Lynch or kill, who cares. There we go, scum list. Acro stays town. Another update: beentheredonethat Koshi sicklucker Artanis Acrofales Lunaticman HamazuraXTakitsubo ritoky Skynx Bill Murray ExO_ + Show Spoiler + 4 iamperfection 9 Dandel Ion 10 Koroko 13 Kurumi 14 Hopeless1der 17 Tubesock 19 GlowingBear 20 Lord Tolkien 22 WaveofShadow So far, so good. Lunch break over. Will look into the guys I haven't a clear read on. I looked at the nightkills that mafia likely did. I didn't include Lord Tolkien because I killed him. Holyflare, NocturneMage, and beentheredonethat all scummed ExO_ and Skynx. HF and Noct scummed Koshi but beentheredonethat did not. I think that is why they died and Dandel Ion, iamperfection and WaveofShadow haven't. I think ExO_, Koshi, and Skynx have the highest likelyhood of flipping mafia. Then will be Kurumi probably and maybe one of the 3rd parties. I trust Ritoky's claim far more than Artanis's. | ||
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On October 29 2016 06:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Koshi could in theory still be scum if the team decided for skynx to use his power to try and 'future-confirm' koshi in the long run but goddamn that sounds so stupid as I type it out I refuse to believe koshi is scum. It's not that stupid. While all that doesn't make Koshi mafia, it definitely make him town. What else has he done? Without this lynch nonsense, he'd have to put in a ton of effort which this koshi is not willing to do whatever alignment he is. So if he is mafia then this is a great play to have his team no lynch and then "save" town later with the double. Is it unbalanced if mafia elects to force the no lynch that they are later forced to double lynch? Straight no lynching is kinda mean. ##Vote: skynx I don't mind SL's POE list. Trade out Dandel Ion and me for Bill Murray and Koshi and it's solid. I attacked Koshi and was healed by 4. | ||
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If Ritoky thinks that the game ends before he can get his clones out why wouldn't he try to help town to extend it instead of cloning? | ||
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ExO_ Skynx Kurumi Sicklucker Artanis[Xp] I'll case Koshi and Exo_ tomorrow since you guys seem to think they're town. | ||
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And really I don't actually think Sicklucker is mafia. Just there isn't anyone left. | ||
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On October 31 2016 07:09 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure WoS, sicklucker, Koshi are confirmed. iamp maybe not. Artanis/Ritoky might be SK. Last time LT this time Exo with a lot of hp who dies at day post. Last 2 mafia in TS, Kurumi, Dandel. And I am forgetting BM. You and SL are not confirmed at all. I'm pretty sure I was on ExO and Skynx longer than both of you. | ||
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On October 31 2016 07:34 Kurumi wrote: ya you better come out iamp's bully, so I can fuck you to death What? | ||
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On October 31 2016 08:24 Koshi wrote: Going to assume ritoky is SK. Or Artanis. We had a flip each dayphase. Probably ritoky clones at night and kill at day. Ritoky already said he fake claimed 3rd. | ||
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On November 01 2016 05:03 sicklucker wrote: doing anything anti town to koshi is a scum claim.... I'm in your poe anyway so I'll die no matter what. And I think you're all wrong about him and his "confirmed" status. | ||
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On November 01 2016 05:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If you think this is how I would play an sk and you think I'd be creative enough to make up all the shit I've posted.. Impressed would be the nice way of putting it. I've read the flair in your games. You're creative enough. | ||
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On November 01 2016 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: To imagine a third party with 7 wincons which I'd claim after someone already claimed 3rd party while under no pressure and coming up with elaborate ways in which it'd work where some I can claim and some I can't which can all potentially be proven wrong if I'm lying by the other person who claimed 3rd party? Come on. I should have added "To be fair" in that last. I think you're 3rd, it's why I told you I'm Ostavarion. | ||
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I don't really think Kurumi is mafia either. I don't think it's Bill either. Meh | ||
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On November 02 2016 09:02 ritoky wrote: outside of poe, why is it koshi? also have you claimed? Not really based on poe. It's because he did nothing pro town until the "double lynch" where he killed a towny anyway. It's a good mafia play too. He brings up this double lynch ability when Vivax was 100% dying anyway. There's nothing that mafia could have done that would have stopped Vivax from dying. But if mafia!Koshi has a day vigi power then he could call it a double lynch and not shoot saying he was blocked. He was on Skynx from early on though. So meh. I claimed already. Ostarion and I'm basically a Vet. | ||
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Vivax mentioned 39 times (some in quotes etc) Defends - once Scums - 4 times He never gives a reason why he scummed Vivax. Goes + Show Spoiler [Why vote V? & agrees with Koshi] + On October 24 2016 05:52 Bill Murray wrote: I don't even know why everyone was voting vivax Skynx mentioned 46 times. Mostly in quotes or some vote count analysis. Defends 1.5 times. The half is because he didn't like WoS's "check" since Bill was using wards. Scums 8 times. Was a point where he wanted to kill Skynx rather than vote him. and afterword he seemed to feel guilty about his all over the place voting and he was "backed up against a wall" + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2016 16:57 Bill Murray wrote: Look at my votes when u were wanting to Lynch skynx they were all over the place and so was my mind. I just didn't see how cop checks were a thing since I had that ward . On November 01 2016 16:57 Bill Murray wrote: Oh yeah 2 the point my point is that that's how town thinks if they're smart like I am ... kinda all over the place back against the wall kinda thinking. Scum can be more knowledgeable and all knowing That seems kinda weird to me. He's not proven wrong yet about voting or being suspicious of WaveofShadow, ritoky, or Koshi and he did end up on Skynx. Seems really weird that he votes WoS on Day 1 and 4, but votes with the crowd on Days 2 & 3 with no reasoning. At least with WoS you can see what he's sort of thinking. And "back against the wall" thinking happens when mafia is in a spot they have to figure out if they are going to bus or not. I totally get voting around like he did on Day 4. I thought it was towny even. But I don't think I'd feel guilty about it at all. When I saw the Night 4 flip I was stoked we killed 2 mafia at once and had 3 total. Why feel guilty? Kinda misplaced like Kurumi's anger the other day. Koshi I apologize for attacking Koshi a bunch of times. He's town. Simply based on his D1 and D2 voting. ritoky - First this response to Skynx: On October 26 2016 07:33 ritoky wrote: Right, but you're thinking about it from a town perspective. I am not. I am looking for people who's kneecaps I have to kiss to keep me from being in any danger. Mind you I have realized, and please don't take offense to this mafias out there, that 1 or 2 mafia probably need to die for this game to go long enough for me to fulfill my win condition. So currently I am a bit more town sided, hence why I tried to use a sentry ward to help town. Is ritoky capable of faking this underlined statement to his scumbuddy Skynx? I think this is a pretty strong town tell from ritoky. Anyway there are 25 mentions of Skynx in ritoky's filter. He defends once (above quote) and then names him in a POE list with a lot of other people in it. That's it. I'm not counting the post he says that if Skynx flips red then I am town or busser of the century. But if he's mafia, then saying that about me just makes it much harder to get another mlynch and I'm a great candidate for that. ritoky is town. Kurumi- Mentions Vivax 11 times defends him 4. Votes him Day 4 but I didn't see why (policy maybe, Vivax isn't on any list). Mentions Skynx 7 times and only says anything about him in 2 of his lists where he is in weird (  ) category.+ Show Spoiler [Last List] + On October 25 2016 01:18 Kurumi wrote: Players:   [Town Reads]ExO_ Bill Murray Dandel Ion Acrofales Holyflare  [Town Leans]Koshi WaveofShadow [Weird]ritoky Tubesock Tictock Skynx  [Scum Leans]ptmc Hopeless1der beentheredonethat sicklucker  [Scum] Lord Tolkien Lunaticman iamperfection There's zero reasoning on why he voted Vivax or Skynx. Looks like sheeping I guess. They were overwhelming wagons. Day 2 he was midpack vote on Lunaticman and the next day he voted sicklucker. Sicklucker was in his scum leans ( ) section. And of course no reasoning whatsoever. He then somehow ends up on Vivax's wagon despite only defending him. Vivax never makes it onto Kurumi's lists despite Vivax being on the few votes Kurumi actually comments on.I'm tired. I believe Artanis[Xp]'s 3p claim. WaveofShadow's town just on this filter and leadership. | ||
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On October 22 2016 06:04 disformation wrote: Final Vote Count - Day 1 Tictock (8); Koshi (4):, TubeSock Lunaticman (1): Vivax (2): Lord Tolkien (2): Kurumi, WaveofShadow WaveofShadow (1): ritoky (1): Holyflare (1): ptmc (0): Skynx (0): beentheredonethat (0): Hopeless1der (0): Kurumi (0): On October 25 2016 06:11 Half the Sky wrote: Final Vote Count - Day 2 Vivax (10): Lunaticman *****(8): Tubesock (1): Vivax Lord Tolkien (0): Exo_ (0): GlowingBear (0): Skynx(0): On October 28 2016 06:02 disformation wrote: Final Vote Count - Day 3 Vivax (9): Tubesock, WaveofShadow, Bill Murray, Lunaticman**** (5):, Koshi, Artanis[Xp], ritoky sicklucker (0): On October 31 2016 05:28 AFK Jungle wrote: Vote Count - Day 4 Skynx (11): WaveofShadow, Tubesock, Koshi, Koshi (1): Skynx, ritoky (0): WaveofShadow (0): 1. Artanis[Xp]**- Voted Day 1 - none Voted Day 2 - Skynx, GlowingBear, Lunaticman Voted Day 3 - Vivax, Lunaticman Voted Day 4 - Skynx 2. Kurumi - Voted Day 1 - Kurumi, Lord Tolkien Voted Day 2 - Lord Tolkien, Lunaticman Voted Day 3 - sicklucker, Vivax Voted Day 4 - Skynx 3. Koshi Voted Day 1 - Hopeless1der, Skynx, ritoky, Vivax, Lunaticman, Ticktock Voted Day 2 - Skynx, ExO_, Lunaticman, Vivax, Lunaticman Voted Day 3 - Lunaticman Voted Day 4 - Skynx 4. Tubesock Voted Day 1 - Vivax, Ticktock, Koshi Voted Day 2 - Skynx, Vivax Voted Day 3 - Vivax Voted Day 4 - Skynx 5. ritoky Voted Day 1 - Lunaticman, Tictock Voted Day 2 - Lunaticman Voted Day 3 - Lunaticman Voted Day 4 - skynx 7. Bill Murray Voted Day 1 - Kurumi, HolyFlare, WaveofShadow, Tictock Voted Day 2 - Vivax Voted Day 3 - Vivax Voted Day 4 - WaveofShadow, ritoky, Koshi, Skynx 9. WaveofShadow Voted Day 1 - beentheredonethat, ptmc, Lord Tolkien Voted Day 2 - Vivax Voted Day 3 - Vivax Voted Day 4 - Skynx | ||
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The first parts with the vote counts are with just the survivors. The second bit is the votes by player. They are not really in order of when they were cast. I underlined the vote that the player ended on. If there isn't a line that's underlined it's the last player listed that was on the final vote. I don't think I'll be around for EoD. I guess I think town should kill Kurumi, me, Bill then Artanis. Unless Wave is alive for couple more nights. Think about ritoky too. I think he's town, but he's really good at making some insane mafia plays. He could have floated that towntell for someone to find. And defending me and later lynching me isn't really that difficult to pull off. | ||
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I think Bill saved WoS so they are confirmed, and unless Koshi unnecessarily bussed his entire team for absolutely zero reason he's also town. So, ##Vote: Ritoky it is. I'll hit Koroko or Abraxxass whoever you guys decide. | ||
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If BM can jail again tomorrow night we know it's true. So Koshi you can't lynch BM I don't think. | ||
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On November 04 2016 08:17 Koshi wrote: Meh I can't decide between BM and TS. My guts tell me BM is mafia. ##vote BM WoS did you greencheck BM yesterday? Did you hint that? Would there be any reason mafia didn't shoot last night? And no one is counterclaiming BM's shield claim. Am I wrong in thinking he saved a life last night? Either protected or prevented WoS from/being shot. | ||
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On November 04 2016 12:53 Bill Murray wrote: look you claimed rubick you being rubick and being my strongest townread is the worst case scenario for me because i was already damn sure rubick was the last mafia or one of the last mafia if there are 2 I don't think the game is rigged like that. Seems like if it's as simple as figuring out a "balanced" dota team that would break the game. | ||
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On November 04 2016 13:06 Bill Murray wrote: well explain ur reincarnation... u didnt mention that -_- I said I'm basically a vet. Exactly the same thing. | ||
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On November 04 2016 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote: I actually think Skynx's filter might implicate Koshi. His entire filter reeks of a scum playing with TMI. Calls all strong townies top town in list post Berates everyone for Tubesock lynch being obviously bad Tries to protect Vivax by calling him scum yet telling us to shoot him rather than lynch him. Calls Koshi and Vivax strongest scumreads and fake rages till the end of time Just SO rabid about the Vivax lynch and literally had no hand in lynching him Someone help me not be confirmation biased here For me it was him going after Exo_. I didn't think it was necessary for mafia. He voted him and later helped kill him when he had better or easier explained targets to go after if he was mafia. He was early on Vivax, Skynx and ExO. But I still stand by my other stuff I said, "double lynch" is a good mafia play. And he's really just played till he could become confirmed. But bussing pretty much your entire team seems like poor play. | ||
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On November 04 2016 13:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Man Tubesock engages so well in conversation, gives out reads super freely How the fuck can he be scum srsly Thanks. But his happens every game to me. I'm kinda weird. | ||
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On November 04 2016 14:28 Bill Murray wrote: also its weird tubesock said he trusts ritokys 3p claim more than artanis and he doesnt trust artanis but then he votes ritoky today Mostly that was Poe and Ritoky rescinded his 3p claim. I was thinking you saved WoS and since no one died then (that I didn't attack) you two were confirmed. Then Koshi for his early ExO push and shot. | ||
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On November 06 2016 05:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Ritoky and tubesock Why the fuck haven't you voted yet Still thinking about it. May vote BM. He's the least town I guess. I don't really think Koshi is mafia anymore. | ||
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