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On October 21 2016 21:07 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 20:45 Acrofales wrote:On October 21 2016 20:33 Dandel Ion wrote:
skynx, i just dunno man
he blatantly kind-of-soft-defends koshi, and it actually looks shitty enough that i think he's serious about it
i dont like that he thinks iamps filter has nothing
i dont like that his problem with tubesocks reads are that they "come out of nowhere" (#871 cant link deal w/ it), and not the content (i remind that two of the three were essentially 'exo for what other people said' and 'wave for tone'), or even the fact that they're just TRs.
i dont mind the LT read actually
i dont like the thread policing, but maybe thats meta nowadays, lots of newbies i dont reckognize do it so w/e take it or leave it.
just post way more so i can make up my mind kthx Oh man. You see, lurking works. I totally forgot that shit was in the game. Add him to the list of loonie, gb, hazbro, vivax and tubesock. Man, town lurkies need to step it up, because all of those look like shit atm, and they can't all be scum. Right? Given recent games... they could all actually be town. For some reason town has been slacking on this site lately and handing mafia easy wins. Still gotta deal with them somehow though which is pretty shitty if they do turn out to be town. I feel pretty good about Hama's posts though, and possibly Tube's as well. You can still read low volume people imo, though it prob requires more effort than it's worth sometimes. Besides not posting much is there anything that actually strikes you as scummy about them? I kinda hate to admit that I kinda read GB as town as well, it's mostly meta though so pretty shit.
Town lost the palmar game because I kid you not, at least 5-10 ppl were afk town the entire game. But they posted so they didn't get modkilled so we had to lynch waste kps on all of them.
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On October 21 2016 22:39 Koshi wrote:
Hopeless1der and Lunatic are my preferred lynches for today. Going to vote with Acrofoles because I like his case.
##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der
p60 atm
HAHA :D this made me laugh thank you.
You don't want to engage me directly but now I won't let you slip between the cracks so you just try to shade me while voting someone else entirely. And you don't even post any reasons.
It is intresting people are town reading BT and scum reading me although we both have the exact same read on Koshi. This smells like mafia trying to save mafia.
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On October 21 2016 23:00 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 22:55 Lunaticman wrote:On October 21 2016 22:39 Koshi wrote:
Hopeless1der and Lunatic are my preferred lynches for today. Going to vote with Acrofoles because I like his case.
##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der
p60 atm HAHA :D this made me laugh thank you. You don't want to engage me directly but now I won't let you slip between the cracks so you just try to shade me while voting someone else entirely. And you don't even post any reasons. It is intresting people are town reading BT and scum reading me although we both have the exact same read on Koshi. This smells like mafia trying to save mafia. Which mafia is Koshi trying to save in your scenario?
No the mafia are trying to divert attention from him. He is also playing very bad so he is making it to obvious.
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On October 21 2016 23:24 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 22:55 Lunaticman wrote:On October 21 2016 22:39 Koshi wrote:
Hopeless1der and Lunatic are my preferred lynches for today. Going to vote with Acrofoles because I like his case.
##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der
p60 atm HAHA :D this made me laugh thank you. You don't want to engage me directly but now I won't let you slip between the cracks so you just try to shade me while voting someone else entirely. And you don't even post any reasons. It is intresting people are town reading BT and scum reading me although we both have the exact same read on Koshi. This smells like mafia trying to save mafia. Reasons: You are tunneling town and limiting yourself doing that. While as town you are normally all over the place and actively trying to push the game forward. I think except for HF you haven't made a single other observation in the game. I know I am town. I don't know what you are doing. And the main reason why I voted Hopeless over you is because I liked the case Acrofoles made. If you are town you better take a step back and try to solve the game ignoring Koshi. I don't know what exactly you meant with that last paragraph you wrote but that shit is bad for you.
Then why do BT have the same read?
Why would I ever change target from what I consider an easy mafia? That's like saying please disregard the objective of the game because I want to live a little bit longer.
As I said if you somehow survive day 1, I won't let you go unless you directly kill a mafia.
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On October 21 2016 23:29 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 20:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
I skimmed the last 20 pages, and before I go offline again, I wanted to bring up Koshi again. My case still stands and he disappeared. He's playing exactly like he did in the last 3 games where he was scum. This is actually a blatant lie. So annoying. Will lunatic correct this lie? He knows I played super active in the Palmar Themed Game.
You are correct but I interpret it a different way. I think you went lurker because you got called on a meta read and had realized your mistake. A paraphrase of this is your "I think I forgot how to play town" post. You also had to devise a battle plan with your culprits how to refute the day one lynch.
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On October 21 2016 23:50 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 23:42 Lunaticman wrote:On October 21 2016 23:29 Koshi wrote:On October 21 2016 20:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
I skimmed the last 20 pages, and before I go offline again, I wanted to bring up Koshi again. My case still stands and he disappeared. He's playing exactly like he did in the last 3 games where he was scum. This is actually a blatant lie. So annoying. Will lunatic correct this lie? He knows I played super active in the Palmar Themed Game. You are correct but I interpret it a different way. I think you went lurker because you got called on a meta read and had realized your mistake. A paraphrase of this is your "I think I forgot how to play town" post. You also had to devise a battle plan with your culprits how to refute the day one lynch. Cool story but I didn't do any of that. Btdt told a blatant lie and you didnt correct him while you knew it was a lie. That's pushing scum agenda or being really really bad.
No I simply do not agree with you, that's your version.
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You also failed to address why you said "I have forgotten how to play town". I would call that a scum slip.
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On October 22 2016 00:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 00:09 Lunaticman wrote:
You also failed to address why you said "I have forgotten how to play town". I would call that a scum slip. I'd call that a town slip.
It could be but it is possible he was just referencing himself as either alignment either way I wanted him to respond not you.
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On October 22 2016 17:44 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 17:42 Acrofales wrote:On October 22 2016 17:34 Holyflare wrote:
I also kinda like hopeless a lot more after readin his night posts. Why? Isn't he just tracking claims? No? He's posted reads and tried to abuse pm timers and got annoyed with wave for hiding it and called him out. I think he should be modkilled for it because it makes him basically town and was heavily against the spirit of the game and he should know that but it's town nonetheless. You're going to have to kill him now acro.
In my experience only mafia wants to modkill townies.
Just saying.
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On October 22 2016 17:57 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to call btdt mafia just for the wtf stance at deadline.
Calls my case good but summarises it wrong, has called koshi mafia ALLLLLLL game and koshi is alternative wagon, joins tt wagon but then makes a case on a guy that isn't particularly scummy and didn't want to kill koshi.
I'm very surprised infact hopeless is calling me out but not btdt for this.
I don't really read it like that at all, he was desperately trying to lynch Koshi but somehow out of the blue we got another primary lynch target. I guess he just accepted the fact that he wasn't going to get Koshi and went with the majority decision.
To me this looks like a desperate attempt by mafia to save their companion Koshi.
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I'm a bit confused on how the miss lynch started. Can someone summarize how we got TickTock instead of Koshi? Who was pushing him the most etc?
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On October 22 2016 18:35 Holyflare wrote:
Scummy:
Skynx (list post struck me as wrong but can't place finger on it)
Lunaticman (crap tunnel based on nothing followed by nothing)
ExO_ (why)
Kurumi
Vivax
Koshi
GlowingBear
WaveofShadow
Null:
Bill Murray (said atrocious things all game but some hidden le gems)
Artanis (maybe up to scummy soon)
Btdt (artanis making me hesitant but deadline stuff was scummy)
Hamazura (need more)
Acrofales (not read at all but i don't think towny whenever read what he says)
ritoky (i think he tried to pocket me with gb/luna read but playing too stiff maybe move to scummy)
Lord Tolkien (hesitant to remove but probably should based on dmg on wave)
Tubesock (zzzz?)
HF this entire post is just undermining town authority, not one real target just suspicion on an endless merry go around. Your playing exactly like Koshi.
You also spend to much time mining credibility from other players making sure to get on their good side and playing on your reputation.
For example why are there no townies on your list? That is more important than 6 different scum reads that amount to nothing.
A more productive move would be to try to analyze how the wagon formed and why. That way we could probably see if Koshi was indeed saved by a scum mate or not.
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On October 22 2016 12:12 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hopeless.
I have been a host, and having your game and hard work ruined because of mod confirms and shit like that SUCKS.
I don't want to do it to Onegu and co.
If you promise me to drop this shit I will answer you and only then. Look, I asked because I 100% believed this game would accomodate mid-phase abilities. There was already proof of host error re: my being listed twice in the lynch list. I now have damn near confirmation that there is no ability to affect the game outside of the resolution periods. Thats shitty for the hosts, but too goddamn bad, they shouldn't have said anything and stuck to their guns. It's incredibly easy for the hosts to say "whoops we fucked up" in a closed setup. But they didnt do that. I dont mean to be a dick to the hosts, I fully appreciate what you're doing to host this game for us...but the handling of my line of questioning is really subpar imo. It confirms that WoS either lied, or that the hosts fucked up. And I have no way to prove one way or the other, even if WoS is scum.
I'm still catching up but I can confirm I have an ability that can be used at anytime. But mechanics discussion don't really catch scum this early.
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On October 22 2016 10:40 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh I get it, the ninja.
Yes.
Well.
Um I dunno, let's chat a while. It's how I do my best work (when I do any)
Important things to look at: is there anything to be learned from EoD stuff?
Who were people on, who switched to whom, when, and why?
We should sift through that. My problem is that I believe koshi more town than mafia, so the wagons are meaningless to me. The EoD stuff is therefore useless for me to analyze. I dislike HF, lunatic and acro atm. I'd like to lynch Lunatic next, and I'd like to shoot acro most atm. Notwithstanding his rosh claim early on, he basically lied about his availability and showed up to complain about a) we didnt lynch vivax and b) kp speculation type stuff.
Please elaborate on these reads a bit, what makes you think that Koshi is town etc?
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On October 22 2016 18:54 Holyflare wrote:
I also literally just told you how the wagon formed, it was me. I also talked about btdt's actioms at deadline whicj you just undermined for no reason.
You're all talk and no substance.
Chill, maybe I was a bit vague.
I wanted you to elaborate a bit more on the "case" from your perspective and why the miss lynch was so successful. So I can analyze if you are indeed town or not.
For example you look extremely scummy for saving Koshi and miss lynching. I also find it disturbing that even though you haven't contributed with anything productive for the town expect a miss lynch you still seem to want to be the town leader.
Everything I have seen from you points to you being mafia, especially from a meta perspective.
The only thing I find a bit lenient is that town tends to make more mistakes than mafia so that's nice I suppose.
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On October 22 2016 19:13 Holyflare wrote:
I didn't save koshi at all. I made a case on a compelling target, I gave him a chance to save himself multiple times and said that koshi would be the backup wagon. He didn't wrote anything compelling (he didn't even say he had a cop check.....) so I didn't switch.
I find it hilarious that you're suspicious of me for meta but then say it's suspicious i want to be the leader. All I do in this game is post what i think and make cases, i haven't even really been at the forefront of it and if anything I'm more lazy/subdued than normal.
I don't like your attitude, it's like being a super power and then renouncing any responsibility. You single handedly got someone lynched day one and than your like "I haven't even really been at the forefront".
Your playing exactly like you did in the palmar/kosh/hf mafia game in my opinion.
Lynching someone for not writing anything compelling is not a good enough excuse to lynch them. That doesn't necessarily make them town or mafia.
I suppose you think Koshies defense of "I*M IMPORTANT PLAYER; PLX SAVE ME FOR MY ABILITIES" is a better defense? That just screams mafia trying to live another day.
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On October 22 2016 19:16 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 19:07 Lunaticman wrote:On October 22 2016 18:54 Holyflare wrote:
I also literally just told you how the wagon formed, it was me. I also talked about btdt's actioms at deadline whicj you just undermined for no reason.
You're all talk and no substance. Chill, maybe I was a bit vague. I wanted you to elaborate a bit more on the "case" from your perspective and why the miss lynch was so successful. So I can analyze if you are indeed town or not. For example you look extremely scummy for saving Koshi and miss lynching. I also find it disturbing that even though you haven't contributed with anything productive for the town expect a miss lynch you still seem to want to be the town leader. Everything I have seen from you points to you being mafia, especially from a meta perspective. The only thing I find a bit lenient is that town tends to make more mistakes than mafia so that's nice I suppose. I am also extremely extremely confused how these two bolded things go together. A) you haven't even read the deadline because you haven't got a single clue how ticktock got lynched yet you're saying I'm scummy for not lynching koshi How on earth would you know these things without reading deadline and if you did read deadline you're asking pointless questions for the sake of it. B) you call me potentially TOWN for being wrong Wtf is it am I mafia for being wrong or town for being wrong??
I usually start reading from the most recent and working myself backwards, since sometimes you miss people that might otherwise have been online once you finish reading, like you might have logged off when I finished reading 15 pages.
But I just wanted you to articulate it in your own words what occurred.
I'm saying I think you look like a mafia, but it is possible that you are not a mafia. I mean how often is the day 1 lynch ever going to hit a mafia?
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On October 22 2016 19:21 Holyflare wrote:
No, I just don't care that I mislynched him really. I made a good case and was wrong, it happens a lot. I did give him outs though because I had the potential to be wrong and people often soew more at deadline.
He didn't give me a reason to switfh off him and that's a highly compelling reason to stay.
Then I might ask, what made the TickTock lynch better than the Koshi lynch? Or in fact just a random lurker like Vivax?
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On October 22 2016 19:24 Acrofales wrote:
I still don't understand how the TT lynch happened. Especially because it seems like iamp (prob town) and DI (prob town) were on it early and pushing it without a critical thought in their mind. Like... when I left the Vivax train was slowly gathering steam. He came in, made 2 shitty posts, one of which about how scummy TT looked, and fucked off again, and presto, everybody was aboard the TT train. Like, really bizarre.
Going shopping. Will read more later
It's called the HF effect.
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Koshi and HF, are either of you Dire?
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