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On September 12 2016 09:13 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Holy shit, TW, that was worse than Mitt Romney's 2012 campaign. Fucking bad.
yeah I admit that. kind of regretting posting it at all
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On September 12 2016 09:13 NeverUnlucky wrote:
You even gave up making the case halfway through, that's how shitty it is.
again, the case hinges on me being town
if I flip town will everyone promise to lynch hf no matter what?
wow this is strange. I do not mean to sound like I am conceding to my lynch already, because I can 100% fight it. but have you tried casing hf? shit's demoralizing. his filter is a labyrinth.
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maybe I should go for some lower hanging fruit for now. this case is all numbers, and numbers are easier than words.
shapelog has gotten two votes ever as scum. one was from me as his partner. this includes him endgaming in newbie xix, storm, tortoise, and onegu 2.
shape gets lynched all the time as town. I can name noir vi, jat game, and names are hard (excepting the EoD blue claim that saved him) off the top of my head. very rare in fact that shape is town and people townread him.
notice how in this game there have been 0 votes on shapelog. this is especially odd when you consider how underwhelming his play has been. afk most of the time and a lazy tictock vote at EoD. and he is hardly in the running for most people as scum.
wow I am really driving the nail into my own coffin. but when it is day 4 and you have lynched both me and hf, remember this. actually do.
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On September 12 2016 09:22 Holyflare wrote:
You should be more concerned about finding mafia that isn't me because so far all you've done is give a shit tonne of easy town reads and given up on your obvious hf is mafia read.
FOR THE RECORD I STARTED WRITING THAT CASE BEFORE THIS WAS POSTED
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On September 12 2016 09:25 Holyflare wrote:
How about some posts from this game that makes someone mafia?
no ick
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On September 12 2016 09:29 Holyflare wrote:
And I've given very very extremely good reasons for tw to be mafia. I'm the one who even called him lynch bait and defended him from being shitty scum read.
Sometimes lynch bait is mafia.
wait what are the reasons again
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On September 12 2016 09:34 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 09:29 Holyflare wrote:
And I've given very very extremely good reasons for tw to be mafia. I'm the one who even called him lynch bait and defended him from being shitty scum read.
Sometimes lynch bait is mafia. wait what are the reasons again
lol remember that one time when hf attacked me coming off a 2-ml streak and sl said "lynchbait slayer goes after lynchbait. does this not set off any alarm bells?" and he was 100% right?
lol
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On September 12 2016 09:41 Holyflare wrote:
Remember that time in my town game where i attacked lynch bait and called out sl for not pushing me attacking lynch bait?
Good times.
I have no idea why you don't even read your scum reads posts (i do because you're mafia) but you can read the past 4 pages of my filter where I've spammed 100 things about you.
I do. I usually get pissed about it, write some reply, and occasionally post it. then forget about it.
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I have said many times though that I am a big picture player, so do not expect any big cases attacking specific points. even the calix case was 50% big picture supported by quotes. I am done for now though unless someone who is not nu or hf shows up, because I don't think I'm getting anywhere talking to them. though someone who comes in now will just quote my shit case on hf and call it shit and I'll get nowhere with them either
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big picture:
my big scumtell is a lack of care, typically characterized by long spats if not posting and low involvement except when defending myself. in four scum games my longest filter was 6 pages. I think I'm past that already and it's hardly D2.
I also have trouble pushing for mislynches. I tried in my last 2 but ultimately they were weak pushes and I gave up on them by the end of the cycle.
for real I just don't play this well as scum. if you could call this "well". and what frustrates me is that this game and last game people have ignored that and applied generic site meta for me. not every player plays like a townie is Supposed To.
that is all
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been thinking. maybe there is a world where neither I nor hf have to get lynched today. and maybe that is okay.
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On September 12 2016 19:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 09:07 Tumblewood wrote:
the premise of this argument is that hf is scum. using the premise as backup, we can easily conclude that hf is indeed scum.
anyway
known to some as holyflare, to others as hf, to his rl friends by some stupid rl name, but to tl as lynchbait slayer.
first, I propose a question to you, reader: can you make an accurate read on someone based off of just five posts?
the answer is no, holyflare. no.
this is basic stuff. honestly. tt doesn't have a meta like marv of making 2 posts and then quitting as scum. that doesn't even matter though, because the basis of hf's attack was completely unrelated to the fact that tt was afk. it was, in fact, a dissection of tt's five total posts. and not a point about how he was a great policy lynch for his lack of posting. hmmm
throughout the game, hf shows a willingness to favor painting every road as leading to tt is scum over thinking critically about his alignment, and generally not being a jackass.
you might expect that this case would have quotes, but hf's filter is probably 50 million pages and also my arguments that involve quotes usually result in me missing the point of the argument or, worse, doubting my original read.
this is a reminder to go read grack's case. it is better.
hf also shows an amazing willingness to call obviously townie people scum for not getting onto his stupid wagon
his filter is 95% devoted to lynching townies if that says anything.
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god, I can't do this anymore. I don't think this is a lost cause, but my entire case, I think, hinges on me being town. honestly, try being me and it's really fucking easy to see how hf is scum.
this is why I don't make big scum cases This is terrible and I'll break down why: Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 09:07 Tumblewood wrote:
first, I propose a question to you, reader: can you make an accurate read on someone based off of just five posts?
the answer is no, holyflare. no. Actually you can. In most cases it's a single post or two where mafia fucks up that allows you to make a case. No mafia is bad enough to give himself away every single post he makes. This is why I generally ignore humongous cases that quote almost every post by someone and try to paint them scummy. It's very easy to make an accurate read on someone on even a single post (see me vs marv in some game and me vs tnkted in some other game, cba referencing). Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 09:07 Tumblewood wrote:
this is basic stuff. honestly. tt doesn't have a meta like marv of making 2 posts and then quitting as scum. that doesn't even matter though, because the basis of hf's attack was completely unrelated to the fact that tt was afk. it was, in fact, a dissection of tt's five total posts. and not a point about how he was a great policy lynch for his lack of posting. hmmm
throughout the game, hf shows a willingness to favor painting every road as leading to tt is scum over thinking critically about his alignment, and generally not being a jackass. TT did things that are objectively scummy, I don't care what you think about meta or history. I generally don't use meta all that much. Here's my own interpretation of TT's filter. Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 05:14 Palmar wrote:On September 11 2016 05:08 Calix wrote:
Oh for fuck's sake. This train is woeful and everyone is just content to slap a vote down >_> It's not about that. Tictock is objectively scummy. He did that thing in the early game with the scumclaim. That's fine and all, and loads of people do it, but the only way it ever works out for town is if you then follow up by looking at the people who react to it. He did very little analysis following the claim. He also did the whole "I'll talk more after dinner" and then disappeared. If he had just disappeared it wouldn't have meant anything, but because he claimed he'd be back it's clear he wanted to appear as if he was contributing. Neither of these make him lock mafia, but both of them, combined with his short filter and poorly explained reads make him a pretty solid day 1 lynch. He is a high % mafia target. Notice that none of this is "meta" or takes into account how he acts as a player. I just don't care about meta. Sometimes I'm wrong because of it (I once lynched kush in lylo for refusing to post coherently and putting in effort), but most of the times it's very effective. Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 09:07 Tumblewood wrote:
you might expect that this case would have quotes, but hf's filter is probably 50 million pages and also my arguments that involve quotes usually result in me missing the point of the argument or, worse, doubting my original read. If you are town you should. If you are correct, you wouldn't have a reason to doubt your read, and if you are wrong you might realize why. But I guess that would require pretending to put in effort.
I'm not even 100% sure you're mafia TW, but you are objectively the best lynch. You've made a bunch of terrible posts, you're not pushing the game forward, there's even dumb reasons to think you're scum (no one wanted to switch with me on d1) This is almost written as sort of an offer to let you redeem yourself. If you are town, you need to put in time and effort. Go write analysis or thoughts on every player in the game. Pro-Tip: if you're mafia make sure you're careful when you write about your buddies 
fuck that. writing analysis is by far the worst part of my game. any case with more than one point goes down the shitter. fortunately I don't actually have to play by your rules
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this would be a useful question to ask: hf, as scum, would you have killed me for my reads?
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On September 12 2016 23:21 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 23:20 Tumblewood wrote:On September 12 2016 19:49 Palmar wrote:On September 12 2016 09:07 Tumblewood wrote:
the premise of this argument is that hf is scum. using the premise as backup, we can easily conclude that hf is indeed scum.
anyway
known to some as holyflare, to others as hf, to his rl friends by some stupid rl name, but to tl as lynchbait slayer.
first, I propose a question to you, reader: can you make an accurate read on someone based off of just five posts?
the answer is no, holyflare. no.
this is basic stuff. honestly. tt doesn't have a meta like marv of making 2 posts and then quitting as scum. that doesn't even matter though, because the basis of hf's attack was completely unrelated to the fact that tt was afk. it was, in fact, a dissection of tt's five total posts. and not a point about how he was a great policy lynch for his lack of posting. hmmm
throughout the game, hf shows a willingness to favor painting every road as leading to tt is scum over thinking critically about his alignment, and generally not being a jackass.
you might expect that this case would have quotes, but hf's filter is probably 50 million pages and also my arguments that involve quotes usually result in me missing the point of the argument or, worse, doubting my original read.
this is a reminder to go read grack's case. it is better.
hf also shows an amazing willingness to call obviously townie people scum for not getting onto his stupid wagon
his filter is 95% devoted to lynching townies if that says anything.
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god, I can't do this anymore. I don't think this is a lost cause, but my entire case, I think, hinges on me being town. honestly, try being me and it's really fucking easy to see how hf is scum.
this is why I don't make big scum casesThis is terrible and I'll break down why: On September 12 2016 09:07 Tumblewood wrote:
first, I propose a question to you, reader: can you make an accurate read on someone based off of just five posts?
the answer is no, holyflare. no. Actually you can. In most cases it's a single post or two where mafia fucks up that allows you to make a case. No mafia is bad enough to give himself away every single post he makes. This is why I generally ignore humongous cases that quote almost every post by someone and try to paint them scummy. It's very easy to make an accurate read on someone on even a single post (see me vs marv in some game and me vs tnkted in some other game, cba referencing). On September 12 2016 09:07 Tumblewood wrote:
this is basic stuff. honestly. tt doesn't have a meta like marv of making 2 posts and then quitting as scum. that doesn't even matter though, because the basis of hf's attack was completely unrelated to the fact that tt was afk. it was, in fact, a dissection of tt's five total posts. and not a point about how he was a great policy lynch for his lack of posting. hmmm
throughout the game, hf shows a willingness to favor painting every road as leading to tt is scum over thinking critically about his alignment, and generally not being a jackass. TT did things that are objectively scummy, I don't care what you think about meta or history. I generally don't use meta all that much. Here's my own interpretation of TT's filter. On September 11 2016 05:14 Palmar wrote:On September 11 2016 05:08 Calix wrote:
Oh for fuck's sake. This train is woeful and everyone is just content to slap a vote down >_> It's not about that. Tictock is objectively scummy. He did that thing in the early game with the scumclaim. That's fine and all, and loads of people do it, but the only way it ever works out for town is if you then follow up by looking at the people who react to it. He did very little analysis following the claim. He also did the whole "I'll talk more after dinner" and then disappeared. If he had just disappeared it wouldn't have meant anything, but because he claimed he'd be back it's clear he wanted to appear as if he was contributing. Neither of these make him lock mafia, but both of them, combined with his short filter and poorly explained reads make him a pretty solid day 1 lynch. He is a high % mafia target. Notice that none of this is "meta" or takes into account how he acts as a player. I just don't care about meta. Sometimes I'm wrong because of it (I once lynched kush in lylo for refusing to post coherently and putting in effort), but most of the times it's very effective. On September 12 2016 09:07 Tumblewood wrote:
you might expect that this case would have quotes, but hf's filter is probably 50 million pages and also my arguments that involve quotes usually result in me missing the point of the argument or, worse, doubting my original read. If you are town you should. If you are correct, you wouldn't have a reason to doubt your read, and if you are wrong you might realize why. But I guess that would require pretending to put in effort.
I'm not even 100% sure you're mafia TW, but you are objectively the best lynch. You've made a bunch of terrible posts, you're not pushing the game forward, there's even dumb reasons to think you're scum (no one wanted to switch with me on d1) This is almost written as sort of an offer to let you redeem yourself. If you are town, you need to put in time and effort. Go write analysis or thoughts on every player in the game. Pro-Tip: if you're mafia make sure you're careful when you write about your buddies fuck that. writing analysis is by far the worst part of my game. any case with more than one point goes down the shitter. fortunately I don't actually have to play by your rules Fine, get lynched then. I don't care if your meta is always being useless, that's scum favored meta and you should be lynched for it. Who knows when you're useless AND scum. Maybe it's this time! Hell, it's probably this time.
meta is always being useless? reminds me of someone...
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On September 12 2016 23:22 Superbia wrote:
Does anyone have an actual opinion on fuba btw?
yes. he is lock town imo
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On September 12 2016 23:24 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 23:21 Palmar wrote:On September 12 2016 23:20 Tumblewood wrote:On September 12 2016 19:49 Palmar wrote:On September 12 2016 09:07 Tumblewood wrote:
the premise of this argument is that hf is scum. using the premise as backup, we can easily conclude that hf is indeed scum.
anyway
known to some as holyflare, to others as hf, to his rl friends by some stupid rl name, but to tl as lynchbait slayer.
first, I propose a question to you, reader: can you make an accurate read on someone based off of just five posts?
the answer is no, holyflare. no.
this is basic stuff. honestly. tt doesn't have a meta like marv of making 2 posts and then quitting as scum. that doesn't even matter though, because the basis of hf's attack was completely unrelated to the fact that tt was afk. it was, in fact, a dissection of tt's five total posts. and not a point about how he was a great policy lynch for his lack of posting. hmmm
throughout the game, hf shows a willingness to favor painting every road as leading to tt is scum over thinking critically about his alignment, and generally not being a jackass.
you might expect that this case would have quotes, but hf's filter is probably 50 million pages and also my arguments that involve quotes usually result in me missing the point of the argument or, worse, doubting my original read.
this is a reminder to go read grack's case. it is better.
hf also shows an amazing willingness to call obviously townie people scum for not getting onto his stupid wagon
his filter is 95% devoted to lynching townies if that says anything.
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god, I can't do this anymore. I don't think this is a lost cause, but my entire case, I think, hinges on me being town. honestly, try being me and it's really fucking easy to see how hf is scum.
this is why I don't make big scum casesThis is terrible and I'll break down why: On September 12 2016 09:07 Tumblewood wrote:
first, I propose a question to you, reader: can you make an accurate read on someone based off of just five posts?
the answer is no, holyflare. no. Actually you can. In most cases it's a single post or two where mafia fucks up that allows you to make a case. No mafia is bad enough to give himself away every single post he makes. This is why I generally ignore humongous cases that quote almost every post by someone and try to paint them scummy. It's very easy to make an accurate read on someone on even a single post (see me vs marv in some game and me vs tnkted in some other game, cba referencing). On September 12 2016 09:07 Tumblewood wrote:
this is basic stuff. honestly. tt doesn't have a meta like marv of making 2 posts and then quitting as scum. that doesn't even matter though, because the basis of hf's attack was completely unrelated to the fact that tt was afk. it was, in fact, a dissection of tt's five total posts. and not a point about how he was a great policy lynch for his lack of posting. hmmm
throughout the game, hf shows a willingness to favor painting every road as leading to tt is scum over thinking critically about his alignment, and generally not being a jackass. TT did things that are objectively scummy, I don't care what you think about meta or history. I generally don't use meta all that much. Here's my own interpretation of TT's filter. On September 11 2016 05:14 Palmar wrote:On September 11 2016 05:08 Calix wrote:
Oh for fuck's sake. This train is woeful and everyone is just content to slap a vote down >_> It's not about that. Tictock is objectively scummy. He did that thing in the early game with the scumclaim. That's fine and all, and loads of people do it, but the only way it ever works out for town is if you then follow up by looking at the people who react to it. He did very little analysis following the claim. He also did the whole "I'll talk more after dinner" and then disappeared. If he had just disappeared it wouldn't have meant anything, but because he claimed he'd be back it's clear he wanted to appear as if he was contributing. Neither of these make him lock mafia, but both of them, combined with his short filter and poorly explained reads make him a pretty solid day 1 lynch. He is a high % mafia target. Notice that none of this is "meta" or takes into account how he acts as a player. I just don't care about meta. Sometimes I'm wrong because of it (I once lynched kush in lylo for refusing to post coherently and putting in effort), but most of the times it's very effective. On September 12 2016 09:07 Tumblewood wrote:
you might expect that this case would have quotes, but hf's filter is probably 50 million pages and also my arguments that involve quotes usually result in me missing the point of the argument or, worse, doubting my original read. If you are town you should. If you are correct, you wouldn't have a reason to doubt your read, and if you are wrong you might realize why. But I guess that would require pretending to put in effort.
I'm not even 100% sure you're mafia TW, but you are objectively the best lynch. You've made a bunch of terrible posts, you're not pushing the game forward, there's even dumb reasons to think you're scum (no one wanted to switch with me on d1) This is almost written as sort of an offer to let you redeem yourself. If you are town, you need to put in time and effort. Go write analysis or thoughts on every player in the game. Pro-Tip: if you're mafia make sure you're careful when you write about your buddies fuck that. writing analysis is by far the worst part of my game. any case with more than one point goes down the shitter. fortunately I don't actually have to play by your rules Fine, get lynched then. I don't care if your meta is always being useless, that's scum favored meta and you should be lynched for it. Who knows when you're useless AND scum. Maybe it's this time! Hell, it's probably this time. meta is always being useless? reminds me of someone...
don't know how you can really say I am being useless. if we're going by whatever bullshit metric you use about ten players are useless this game. I am one of the most present, least useless players in the game.
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On September 12 2016 23:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 23:25 Tumblewood wrote:On September 12 2016 23:22 Superbia wrote:
Does anyone have an actual opinion on fuba btw? yes. he is lock town imo why
whenever he posts I am like "wow I don't think he could post that as scum." also his argument with nu was clearly TvT
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On September 12 2016 23:29 Superbia wrote:
TW who is actually scum? Like who's the three scum?
thinking it's between (from most to least likely) hf/shape/damdred/palmar/you. I haven't narrowed it down to three yet.
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Welcome to The Scum Pool. I'm your host, Tumblewood von Trapp, and here are your contestants:
Holyflare
Claim to Fame:
- has cased town for almost his entire filter
- pisses me off constantly
- believes (or pretends to believe) with absurd confidence that he has found scum!tictock based off of literally 5 posts. does not sell it as a plynch even though it is nothing more
- more concerned with pushing his lynches than thinking about them
Other Notes
(this is the section where I temper my expectations)
I am no longer 100% certain that hf is scum. I think the fact that I couldn't case him reasonably is not just a reflection on my casing ability / his skill at shitting up the thread as scum but possibly caused in part by the fact that he is maybe not scum. This might be one of those shitty tunnels like on rels in names are hard or even moreso jat game where by the end I had nearly forgotten why he was scum. the more I think about it the more I want to lynch shape or damdred over him. don't misinterpret this as me thinking he is town though because I don't.
Shapelog
Claim to Fame:
- doing almost nothing the entire game
- no one seems to want to call him out or push him for it. constantly rests in the spot of "scummy but not important right now". (this reason is twofold: first, if he were town he would more likely be pushed by scum; second, studies suggest that if shapelog ever doesn't get votes all game he is almost always scum. this is a real thing and imo valid to base reads off of.)
Other Notes
I have no real reason to believe shapelog is town besides whatever I said at the start of the game, and that read no longer holds water 5 days and 1700 posts later.
Damdred
Claim to Fame:
- being really disappointing overall. more,explanation in notes
- being everyone's second,scumread besides nu who is town,and doesn't count (yes shut up this is a legitimate read)
- has not,evaluated anyone on their mindset at all. tsk
Other Notes
no I haven't read his filter since early D1 when I felt compelled to make a reads list but you have to admit damdred has been really disappointing this game. in,his town game he tries to step up and form a town,circle and,you can-- or at least I do-- usually identify him as town if he looks really town or if,he has his head way up his ass. this game he has been going through the motions but seemingly unmotivated to actually do anything.
Palmar
Claim to Fame:
- being a lazy shit
- and an idiot
- and really annoys me by calling me useless and ignoring the hypocrisy of that given how little he and several others have done in comparison to me.
Other Notes
obviously not conclusive evidence given how lazy and idiotic palmar can be as either alignment, but it's still scum-indicative and really quite accurate.
Superbia
Claim to Fame:
- *does nothing. comes back for 15 minutes every once in a while and posts 5 times with a combined 20 words. leaves*
- stupid bad push on calix after deadline. this read applies to holyflare too to a lesser extent.
Other Notes
besides fuba who I have made a mental note to look at again and vivax who I will not, superbia rounds out our list of background-y players. I don't have very much to say about him because he has done very little to give me an opinion on him.
wow this post looks very pretty. I will do this more often. these are the five people within whom I think there are three scum. the top three are the most likely scum team. say stuff about it if you want
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wow holy shit fuba's filter is only 2 pages. this is a game changer. and half of it is discussing whether I am lynchbait and nu said this, yada yada
honestly not sure what to make of fuba at the moment. tone seems town but the content just isn't there
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