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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 21 2016 11:48 GMT
#581
On July 21 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote:
and I don't get how ec can be scum three games in a row, then act the exact same way the next game and notbe scumread

Please explain how he's acting "the exact same way"
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 21 2016 11:51 GMT
#582
On July 21 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
So p19 it kicks off with Tumble case.

While it's an ok case, there is nothing new in it. Tumble basically just repeats and compiles what he's found scummy about emperor over span of past few pages. Main point being posting for sake of posting.

Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote:
and I don't get how ec can be scum three games in a row, then act the exact same way the next game and notbe scumread

This however is some giveaway. Now his push turns into a meta push. I mean if you feel like you made enough convincing in your case why write this? There are lot of players who are unfamiliar with emp playstyle and I don't actually agree he fits his scum meta so far.
Actually I'm sure Koshi can figure out why emperor is not scum so far cuz we discussed this deeply in coach chat.


This is the post that made me originally vote for him, so that is intresting that you came to the same conclusion.
Failure is not an option
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 21 2016 11:51 GMT
#583
On July 21 2016 03:41 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:39 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:37 Palmar wrote:
jesus 20 pages

All super important content make sure to catchup 1 by 1

no actually just fuck it, if people are going to revert to the stupid spamming style of playing I'm not even gonna bother trying.

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/dnZQAJvqMFi4

gg

On July 21 2016 03:44 Skynx wrote:
No fking way is that legit?

Instant townread.
Knowing Skynx doesn't have access to quicktopic, it's very likely this comment is not a joke. So it's either a town being mad or a scum faking it. The simpler explanation is often the right one.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 21 2016 11:54 GMT
#584
On July 21 2016 04:15 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 04:02 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 04:01 Palmar wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:57 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:53 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:45 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:34 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:27 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:23 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote:
and I don't get how ec can be scum three games in a row, then act the exact same way the next game and notbe scumread

Without ever rolling town he doesn't know how to be town its simple. Even he does exact opposite of what he did its forced and noticeable.


Based on this I'm putting down my vote for now on EC.

Even if he turns green you will be the next auto lynch. Or rather a blue should check you during the night to save a lynch target.

I will change the vote if someone comes up with a better argument for a d1 lynch.

What does emperors alignment has anything to do with mine? I haven't even read him yet.
Also you say what i just said is convincing enough for you to vote on ec. But i didn't say anything new or something related to his specific behaviour here.
So, thats kind of a shitty vote. Why is he mafia?


I think it was a good argument, and votes generate friction, which generates more content. I am totally fine voting for someone if I think the argument is good enough especially on day 1. What I find confusing is why you would demote your own arugment, that is very strange.

I actually think he is fighting for his life as a townie, but the day is far from over.


I dunno if this makes sense. Why would you vote for a town person?

Also I am far from fighting for my life. I am "defending" my self from tumble because his arguments are so weak, they are leading me to think that he might be scum.


Voting for people is a common tactic this generates pressure which generates misstakes, you can switch your vote anytime unless I am missing something.


Go forth and make mistakes my friend


Maybe you should give us a list of our reads so far and some thoughts. You have been chilling far to much.


ok.

100% town - aka never lynching.
Prplhz
Skynx

Likely town:
Tumblewood
emperorchampion
Rels

Null, no reason to lynch but no real reason to townread
Palmar
DCWasabi
Koshi
Gracaroni

null, possibly scum because I haven't really noticed them
nnn_thekushmountains
Lunaticman

Scummy/possibly mafia
sicklucker
Kruppe the eel

Why are SL / Kruppe scummy when they have done nothing at all ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 21 2016 11:57 GMT
#585
On July 21 2016 04:30 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Such mystery! Friend Kruppe has two sets of —most beautifully written by Kruppe himself— invitations.

Red envelopes! Warm invitations to the most (in?)famous and lustrous (in some way) inn in Darujhistan; the Phoenix Inn!

Blue envelopes! Calming invitations to the mysterious inn in.. Darujhistan(?); the Crossroad Inn!

Where will Kruppe truly be? What table will be filled with the most delicious pastries, the toughest of drinks and hosted by the most magnanimous host of all, Kruppe?


Kruppe cordially extends a red envelope to both Rels and Koshi. A pair of two indeed! Kruppe extends a warm welcome to the Phoenix Inn! (And of course, dear Koshi, a book with friend Kruppe in it is worth reading a thousand times over!)

Kruppe also extends two mysterious blue envelopes! One to Skynx and one to EmperorChampion. An enigma indeed! Kruppe would welcome the both of you to the Crossroad Inn!

Kruppe posting 15 minutes after being called out by Palmar is suspicious.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 21 2016 11:58 GMT
#586
Palmar might be town. His posts are short but I agree with all of them, apart from a few positions in his list
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 21 2016 12:02 GMT
#587
Alright meeting time, see you in a few hours (= please answer my question if I've asked you one earlier. My mind atm:

Town

Lunatic
Skynx
EC
Tumble
Palmar

Scum

Koshi
Kruppe
DC

People missing are null.
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 21 2016 12:03 GMT
#588
Another one of my current lists:

100% Green Town
4) Lunaticman

Town read so far:
3) Skynx
5) emperorchampion
2) DCWasabi
10) Tumblewood
6) Rels
8) Gracaroni

Nullread:
11) Kruppe the eel
9) nnn_thekushmountains
1) Prplhz

Scummy:
13) Palmar
7) sicklucker
12) Koshi


I am extremly happy with the way the game has progressed, there is a lot of content to use for day 2.



Failure is not an option
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 21 2016 12:15 GMT
#589
On July 21 2016 20:41 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 02:07 DCWasabi wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:34 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:28 emperorchampion wrote:
On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
actually no
luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec)
also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move.


Actually I've been playing the game a lot, so what's your scum lean based off of?

when I say "posting but not playing" I mean you and luna are making a lot of posts but hardly working toward solving the game.


OK, but if there is one thing that I learned from my first 2 games, it is that it is pretty nontrivial to "work towards solving the game" on Day 1. I think the first thing that is useful that one can do is get some activity out there day 1, and get your tone established so that you can be more easily read as town by the town moving forwards. I think this is one of the things that I actually did properly as town in the Onegu Best Host Game.

Town should be trying to solve the game, but some of the players haven't even posted yet, for example it is 10am local time for me and I just woke-up 30 mins ago and am trying to get caught up.

I don't scumlean either of those guys yet, tbh.

At the same time, I kind of like this post by Tumble because it is the kind of thing that can help to start more meaningful discussion going and discourage people from posting random banter, otherwise they might get scum-read by this reasoning.

I am going to slightly town-lean Tumble because his post leads to a slightly more favorable environment for town.

I don't like this post. DC I need you to explain yourself on two things.
1- You say "Town should be trying to solve the game". Now you say it's hard to solve the game at the time of this post because "some of the players haven't even posted yet". BUT the players Tumble are talking about have posted quite a lot already. So this doesn't apply ? What is the motivation that pushed you making this post ? Why do you disagree with Tumble here ?
2 - Why do you don't scumlean either of those guys "yet" ? Cause it seems like yuo plan on scumleaning them later, which doesn't make sense, if they are scummy you should scumlean them now ?

You know what nice find but not for reasons you stated.
So what is the actual point of this post? Tumble and emp were engaging on the subject of "post to solve the game". The way I'd post about this if I felt like it is I'd either analyse Tumble/emperor's posts in that pow and comment on scum/town lean of those posts or question Tumble what specific stuff made him prompt that read.

No one needs a lecture on how to play D1. The 1st and 2nd paragraph doesn't serve any purpose in this game if you don't link it to eventualities happening right then in the game. Like you try to sound like you're saying something interesting and aim at people quoting it "i like this post" and stuff on purpose. What does that entire post achieve?
Good find Rels, I must have passed by it. You lose couple of points there DCW.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 21 2016 12:18 GMT
#590
On July 21 2016 21:03 Lunaticman wrote:
Another one of my current lists:

100% Green Town
4) Lunaticman

Town read so far:
3) Skynx
5) emperorchampion
2) DCWasabi
10) Tumblewood
6) Rels
8) Gracaroni

Nullread:
11) Kruppe the eel
9) nnn_thekushmountains
1) Prplhz

Scummy:
13) Palmar
7) sicklucker
12) Koshi


I am extremly happy with the way the game has progressed, there is a lot of content to use for day 2.




What's the difference between Palmar and kush? They played almost exactly the same so far and you questioned both of their reads being vague/trolly/lazy. They should have been same category for you.
Also why is Grack town?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 21 2016 12:32 GMT
#591
On July 21 2016 21:18 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 21:03 Lunaticman wrote:
Another one of my current lists:

100% Green Town
4) Lunaticman

Town read so far:
3) Skynx
5) emperorchampion
2) DCWasabi
10) Tumblewood
6) Rels
8) Gracaroni

Nullread:
11) Kruppe the eel
9) nnn_thekushmountains
1) Prplhz

Scummy:
13) Palmar
7) sicklucker
12) Koshi


I am extremly happy with the way the game has progressed, there is a lot of content to use for day 2.




What's the difference between Palmar and kush? They played almost exactly the same so far and you questioned both of their reads being vague/trolly/lazy. They should have been same category for you.
Also why is Grack town?


Gracaroni
Post #468 is really good reasoning, this effort seems townish, I like his read.
The meta call on Kushm4sta is intresting
doesnt want to lynch EC
Another good post #510
Failure is not an option
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 21 2016 12:34 GMT
#592
On July 21 2016 21:18 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 21:03 Lunaticman wrote:
Another one of my current lists:

100% Green Town
4) Lunaticman

Town read so far:
3) Skynx
5) emperorchampion
2) DCWasabi
10) Tumblewood
6) Rels
8) Gracaroni

Nullread:
11) Kruppe the eel
9) nnn_thekushmountains
1) Prplhz

Scummy:
13) Palmar
7) sicklucker
12) Koshi


I am extremly happy with the way the game has progressed, there is a lot of content to use for day 2.




What's the difference between Palmar and kush? They played almost exactly the same so far and you questioned both of their reads being vague/trolly/lazy. They should have been same category for you.
Also why is Grack town?


Also the reasons for Palmer are obvious in my opinion if you followed the thread. Kushi has just had very a very dodgy activity. Also Tumblewood suspects him.
Failure is not an option
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 21 2016 12:35 GMT
#593
Also if Palmer turns red, there is a good chance EC is red too.
Failure is not an option
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 21 2016 12:37 GMT
#594
On July 21 2016 04:37 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 04:32 Palmar wrote:
On July 21 2016 04:31 Lunaticman wrote:
To be perfectly honest I think Palmer is acting super scummy, it feels like a desperate attempt to save EC. But I have a town read on EC which is kinda wierd.

Could it be possible both of them are scum?

It feels like such a rookie misstake to make.

I admit, am rookie.


I didnt know this, it might change my opinion in your actions so far.

Well for instance, Palmar has most games (some 90-ish?) under his belt here. Does that change your opinions?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 21 2016 12:40 GMT
#595
On July 21 2016 21:37 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 04:37 Lunaticman wrote:
On July 21 2016 04:32 Palmar wrote:
On July 21 2016 04:31 Lunaticman wrote:
To be perfectly honest I think Palmer is acting super scummy, it feels like a desperate attempt to save EC. But I have a town read on EC which is kinda wierd.

Could it be possible both of them are scum?

It feels like such a rookie misstake to make.

I admit, am rookie.


I didnt know this, it might change my opinion in your actions so far.

Well for instance, Palmar has most games (some 90-ish?) under his belt here. Does that change your opinions?


Well he claimed to be a beginner so that just puts it over the top if it is true.

I see no reason why he shouldn't be lynched day 1.
Failure is not an option
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 21 2016 12:40 GMT
#596
So I'm assuming you sr Palmar based on the fact that he voted you without any reason to save his scumbuddy emp?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 21 2016 12:45 GMT
#597
On July 21 2016 21:40 Skynx wrote:
So I'm assuming you sr Palmar based on the fact that he voted you without any reason to save his scumbuddy emp?


It sure seems that way to me, unless you have something to add.
Failure is not an option
Lunaticman
Profile Joined November 2007
Sweden1097 Posts
July 21 2016 12:50 GMT
#598
And what are the votes from Palmar and Grackaroni based on?
Failure is not an option
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 21 2016 13:00 GMT
#599
On July 21 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:41 Palmar wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:39 Skynx wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:37 Palmar wrote:
jesus 20 pages

All super important content make sure to catchup 1 by 1

no actually just fuck it, if people are going to revert to the stupid spamming style of playing I'm not even gonna bother trying.

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/dnZQAJvqMFi4

gg

Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:44 Skynx wrote:
No fking way is that legit?

Instant townread.
Knowing Skynx doesn't have access to quicktopic, it's very likely this comment is not a joke. So it's either a town being mad or a scum faking it. The simpler explanation is often the right one.


Great point!
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 21 2016 13:01 GMT
#600
On July 21 2016 21:45 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 21:40 Skynx wrote:
So I'm assuming you sr Palmar based on the fact that he voted you without any reason to save his scumbuddy emp?


It sure seems that way to me, unless you have something to add.

Well, you are way too tunneled on one idea then. emperor was engaging nicely at the time, under some pressure but he has certainly seen worse. He knows how to act in high pressure situations.
If palmar is his teammate, he's under no pressure to defend him either.
If palmar is town, he's just scumreading you for whatever reason cuz he's trolling.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
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