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Anyway P8-19 there is scumwork by a high chance. Even if not, there is no way scum ignores what happens there and reacts to it.
Not sure if Tumble v emperor is t v t yet. Lunatics following of their incident is more interesting imo:
On July 21 2016 03:52 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 03:48 Skynx wrote:On July 21 2016 03:45 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 03:34 Skynx wrote:On July 21 2016 03:27 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 03:23 Skynx wrote:On July 21 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote:
and I don't get how ec can be scum three games in a row, then act the exact same way the next game and notbe scumread Without ever rolling town he doesn't know how to be town its simple. Even he does exact opposite of what he did its forced and noticeable. Based on this I'm putting down my vote for now on EC. Even if he turns green you will be the next auto lynch. Or rather a blue should check you during the night to save a lynch target. I will change the vote if someone comes up with a better argument for a d1 lynch. What does emperors alignment has anything to do with mine? I haven't even read him yet. Also you say what i just said is convincing enough for you to vote on ec. But i didn't say anything new or something related to his specific behaviour here. So, thats kind of a shitty vote. Why is he mafia? I think it was a good argument, and votes generate friction, which generates more content. I am totally fine voting for someone if I think the argument is good enough especially on day 1. What I find confusing is why you would demote your own arugment, that is very strange. I actually think he is fighting for his life as a townie, but the day is far from over. I didn't even have an argument there. That was an opinion on how and why his scum behavior has been generic thats it, nothingn else. Now what made you think he's scum? Because you specified he has polarised his playstyle which indicitated he is trying "to hard" from his previous playstyles... This is purely a meta read which I agree with if it is true.
The whole discussion here is weak. I feel like he was trying to vote for emperor for some time but can't find a way of jumping on the train without a reason. Why do it here tho, then defend your vote with "and votes generate friction, which generates more content". Another forced tone imo.
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I don't feel like that argument is getting anywhere tho. Tumble/emperor are not right lynches today. Lunatic can be noob town, too wifom to be scum doesn't really defend him either but I think I will wait on him doing more work. If he continues his style he surely will slip at some point anyway.
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Grack push on kush is weak too. Kush is generic so far, not a good D1 lynch anyway.
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On July 21 2016 11:30 sicklucker wrote:
how long till deadline? time to spam the thread to get my 10 posts
I was wondering when you'd show up.
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I just got back from work Ill be back in a while, I need some catching up too.
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And that's basically it. Few pointers in that case
Town lean: emperor, haze, DCW
Not entirely town yet but not lynching today lol: Palmar, Koshi, kush, Tumble
Total Null/Inactive/Needs to step up: Rels, Kruppe, sicklucker
Slight scumlean: Lunatic
Bit more scumlean: Grack Fields
Town leans are mainly feels due to general posting style/tone. Only emperor is not scum that he was in previous games for few reasons that will remain hidden cuz that might change.
Palmar is Palmar, he can lynch his godfather teammate for towncred or contribute very low but precise to lynch scum 1 by 1, needs more time but I like him tone based so far.
Koshi is slightly odd and different to how I know him but that might be because he's a changed man now.
kush is kush, similar to palmar.
Tumble's push I don't find necessarily well constructed but he did progress the game from that miserable spam dump we turned it into so props for that. Needs more time to read.
Rels came in, made some few remarks about game/roles and left, nothing to note really.
Kruppe is on another dimension but Palmar is sure he's mafia hmmmm
sl is sl
Points on Lunatic explained eariler
Grack I have a scumlean on for few reasons. First he admitted to lurk but did not declare it to thread in a towny way like haze. He than townread Tumble for interacting with Lunatic in quick succession which is weak at best. Mafia doesn't have to coordinate small stuff like that, people should be capable of engaging in conversation without giving away too much as mafia. On top of all it could be svs.
Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 03:45 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 03:36 emperorchampion wrote:On July 21 2016 03:27 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 03:23 Skynx wrote:On July 21 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote:
and I don't get how ec can be scum three games in a row, then act the exact same way the next game and notbe scumread Without ever rolling town he doesn't know how to be town its simple. Even he does exact opposite of what he did its forced and noticeable. Based on this I'm putting down my vote for now on EC. Even if he turns green you will be the next auto lynch. Or rather a blue should check you during the night to save a lynch target. I will change the vote if someone comes up with a better argument for a d1 lynch. So I went from highest town (iirc) to your scum vote? :o No I still think you are town, but I think they made good arguments based on your previous games. Why are you doing this? It doesn't really make sense from a town or a scum perspective
Now he realises something is fishy about Lunatic but that is such a weak push considering Lunatic's plays/reads/vote so far made no sense. He's right about that but kinda needs to build up on it.
Then turns to kush, which he gives mixed impressions on why he scumreads him:
Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 02:30 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On July 21 2016 01:18 Koshi wrote:On July 21 2016 00:58 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
do i really have to read all this or is it all about coffee and tea and stuff? Read skynx his filter. I think EC made a townie point about how skynx kept bringing up the pregame qt link. So townread on EC. I do not think that point was valid, because skynx only brought it up once, and the rest of the time was in response to other people talking about it. Skynx actually gets a tone-based townread for his chilled out, comfortable swagger. Can you explain what was townie about this qt link discussion? So far Kush has contributed little, but he actually seems like he wants people to think that he's putting an effort this game. I think this is scummy for Kush since he usually has a loud, distinct no-shits given attitude as town. Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 04:20 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
scum
1) Prplhz
2) DCWasabi
6) Rels
7) sicklucker
8) Gracaroni
11) Kruppe the eel
12) Koshi
13) Palmar
A list of 8 people? I expect more. I think Kush is the best lynch for today. ##Vote: Kushm4sta
This contribution for sake of contribution argument is getting a trend. Kush has been pretty similar to how he plays normally. On top of that there were so many other players like how you described kush such as Palmar and haze, why they are not scum?
Then you turn to tone based read.
Then you turn to wow 8 people scumread wtf.
I just don't see what in there makes kush a perfect lynch today.
AlsoOn July 21 2016 12:01 Grackaroni wrote:
I haven't played mafia at all for about a year.
how you so sure about kush meta and tone then?
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On July 21 2016 18:19 prplhz wrote:
Rels?
##Vote Rels
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I have meeting after meeting today. Now I have a 45 minutes lunch break then it's meeting again. Starting to catch up now
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Koshi if that's resolved later ignore this post. But I don't understand this:
On July 20 2016 22:03 Koshi wrote:I think Lunaticman has done everything a mafia does early game. Ask a simple question about the setup: + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2016 20:29 Lunaticman wrote:
Rels since no one else seems to be active right now maybe you could help me explain a bit about the roles.
"Mason and Parity Cop vs Godfather goon and roleblocker
cop and jailkeeper vs Godfather, strongarm and role blocker
Jailkeeper and vigilante vs Godfather, Goon, Strongarm"
I do not recognize the jailkeeper, strong arm and godfather.
Call somebody blue / bluehunted + is self-aware + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2016 21:41 Lunaticman wrote:
Well I think rels is blue based on his posts so far. One mafia usually goes active in the beginning but I dont really have any scum vibes yet.
There is probably a 50/50 red or green on both of you so far.
And what do you think about me so far? Do "serious" scumhunting on a matter that was put forward as a joke. Bit too hard-try + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2016 20:17 Lunaticman wrote:
I was expecting emperorchampion to be very active in the beginning since I spectated the last game played (the one with hilary and trump). Maybe he changed his playstyle or maybe he simply asleep.
What do you think Rels? And lastly it maybe seems like he is trusting people too much and tries to buddy them.
That all said I don't scumread you. It's just something I saw  . Game is young.
You find scumtells on Lunatic but you don't scumread him ... ? I don't get it. What are you trying to say.
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On July 21 2016 04:58 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 04:56 DCWasabi wrote:On July 21 2016 04:20 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
scum
1) Prplhz
2) DCWasabi
6) Rels
7) sicklucker
8) Gracaroni
11) Kruppe the eel
12) Koshi
13) Palmar
Is this 1920's Chicago, or something? No way there are that many Mafia. On a more serious note, I'm going to go Full-Sherlock here and determine that you are Null or Town reading: 3) Skynx 4) Lunaticman 5) emperorchampion 10) Tumblewood yourself Can you post some reasons? yes I can but I won't because that would take effort and not be that fun.
I want you to at least summarise why, this is important to see what you are thinking atm.
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On July 21 2016 05:17 Grackaroni wrote:Ok I've been taking notes. Things that have stuck out to me. Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 23:19 Tumblewood wrote:On July 20 2016 21:41 Lunaticman wrote:
Well I think rels is blue based on his posts so far. One mafia usually goes active in the beginning but I dont really have any scum vibes yet.
There is probably a 50/50 red or green on both of you so far.
And what do you think about me so far? I was ehh kind of uncertain on luna until he made this post. this is about the exact opposite of what a mafia would post if they were trying to blend in / sound town. scrubtell? On July 20 2016 22:03 Koshi wrote:I think Lunaticman has done everything a mafia does early game. Ask a simple question about the setup: + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2016 20:29 Lunaticman wrote:
Rels since no one else seems to be active right now maybe you could help me explain a bit about the roles.
"Mason and Parity Cop vs Godfather goon and roleblocker
cop and jailkeeper vs Godfather, strongarm and role blocker
Jailkeeper and vigilante vs Godfather, Goon, Strongarm"
I do not recognize the jailkeeper, strong arm and godfather.
Call somebody blue / bluehunted + is self-aware + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2016 21:41 Lunaticman wrote:
Well I think rels is blue based on his posts so far. One mafia usually goes active in the beginning but I dont really have any scum vibes yet.
There is probably a 50/50 red or green on both of you so far.
And what do you think about me so far? Do "serious" scumhunting on a matter that was put forward as a joke. Bit too hard-try + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2016 20:17 Lunaticman wrote:
I was expecting emperorchampion to be very active in the beginning since I spectated the last game played (the one with hilary and trump). Maybe he changed his playstyle or maybe he simply asleep.
What do you think Rels? And lastly it maybe seems like he is trusting people too much and tries to buddy them.
That all said I don't scumread you. It's just something I saw . Game is young. ehh not sure what to make of this post. it's weird, but townies are weird too. idk, townreading koshi blindly seems to be working for me so far. Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
actually no
luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec)
also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move. Here tumble made a quick unprompted re-evaluation of his read on Lunatic. I think that is a strong indication that Tumble is making genuine reads and is therefore town. Mafia spends more time deciding how they want to interpret a player and then defend their interpretation until they are given a reason to change. Re-evaluating Lunatic. Lunatic hasn't made any real accusations until Palmar voted him. Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 20:47 Lunaticman wrote:On July 20 2016 20:32 Grackaroni wrote:
From my experience day 1 lynch usually lands on somebody largely inactive. Yes I agree, is it too soon to start voting? I am unsure about the timezones for all the players but this is to quiet. It feels like a scum town atm... I would throw accusations left and right now if it was irl to gauge some responses! I don't see why forum mafia would be any different from in real life mafia. Moreover, right now he's voting for someone he thinks is town?? Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 03:45 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 03:36 emperorchampion wrote:On July 21 2016 03:27 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 03:23 Skynx wrote:On July 21 2016 03:20 Tumblewood wrote:
and I don't get how ec can be scum three games in a row, then act the exact same way the next game and notbe scumread Without ever rolling town he doesn't know how to be town its simple. Even he does exact opposite of what he did its forced and noticeable. Based on this I'm putting down my vote for now on EC. Even if he turns green you will be the next auto lynch. Or rather a blue should check you during the night to save a lynch target. I will change the vote if someone comes up with a better argument for a d1 lynch. So I went from highest town (iirc) to your scum vote? :o No I still think you are town, but I think they made good arguments based on your previous games. Why are you doing this? It doesn't really make sense from a town or a scum perspective. Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 02:30 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On July 21 2016 01:18 Koshi wrote:On July 21 2016 00:58 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
do i really have to read all this or is it all about coffee and tea and stuff? Read skynx his filter. I think EC made a townie point about how skynx kept bringing up the pregame qt link. So townread on EC. I do not think that point was valid, because skynx only brought it up once, and the rest of the time was in response to other people talking about it. Skynx actually gets a tone-based townread for his chilled out, comfortable swagger. Can you explain what was townie about this qt link discussion? So far Kush has contributed little, but he actually seems like he wants people to think that he's putting an effort this game. I think this is scummy for Kush since he usually has a loud, distinct no-shits given attitude as town. Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 04:20 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
scum
1) Prplhz
2) DCWasabi
6) Rels
7) sicklucker
8) Gracaroni
11) Kruppe the eel
12) Koshi
13) Palmar
A list of 8 people? I expect more. I think Kush is the best lynch for today. ##Vote: Kushm4sta
To me this means you can't have played that much mafia IRL, because it is defacto the most common way to put pressure on people. Most people IRL will not get into a verbal argument unless forced on the spot. And that is when they make misstakes. On a forum the effect is diminished since you cant look someone in the eye, but I have won several games using this strategy simply by looking at their body language under pressure.
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Lunatic is very townie for a newbie. Always questioning stuff posted in the thread + posting when there are silence in the thread to give boost to the game. It doesn't seem like it but it actually is hard to continually post as scum, so it's a towntell that he's doing these in his first forum mafia game.
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rofl that was written before I saw that Lunatic just posted p:
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On July 21 2016 05:45 prplhz wrote:
i am really having a hard time imagining Lunaticman playing mafia for 8 hours with people being 100% serious 100% of the time which is why i think it's odd he's being so serious and taking everything so serious all the time
Go to a convention and play, you would be amazed on hoq quickly time flies. 40min day, 5min last defense, 15 min night time (with bathroom break). And around 8-16 players each game. Do the math!
It is an amazing experience I recommend it.
And for the record, when the game is ON, everything is serious.
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On July 21 2016 01:51 Tumblewood wrote:
I actually read skynx's filter and yeah koshi is right about him. too much meh, not enough content.
On July 21 2016 01:57 Tumblewood wrote:
happy with voting Skynx or ec at the moment, slight preference to ec
At the point of the thread I'm at Tumble is kinda attacked by EC, but is relaxed and don't just focus on EC. This is townie
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On July 21 2016 02:07 DCWasabi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 23:34 Tumblewood wrote:On July 20 2016 23:28 emperorchampion wrote:On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
actually no
luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec)
also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move. Actually I've been playing the game a lot, so what's your scum lean based off of? when I say "posting but not playing" I mean you and luna are making a lot of posts but hardly working toward solving the game. OK, but if there is one thing that I learned from my first 2 games, it is that it is pretty nontrivial to "work towards solving the game" on Day 1. I think the first thing that is useful that one can do is get some activity out there day 1, and get your tone established so that you can be more easily read as town by the town moving forwards. I think this is one of the things that I actually did properly as town in the Onegu Best Host Game. Town should be trying to solve the game, but some of the players haven't even posted yet, for example it is 10am local time for me and I just woke-up 30 mins ago and am trying to get caught up. I don't scumlean either of those guys yet, tbh. At the same time, I kind of like this post by Tumble because it is the kind of thing that can help to start more meaningful discussion going and discourage people from posting random banter, otherwise they might get scum-read by this reasoning. I am going to slightly town-lean Tumble because his post leads to a slightly more favorable environment for town.
I don't like this post. DC I need you to explain yourself on two things.
1- You say "Town should be trying to solve the game". Now you say it's hard to solve the game at the time of this post because "some of the players haven't even posted yet". BUT the players Tumble are talking about have posted quite a lot already. So this doesn't apply ? What is the motivation that pushed you making this post ? Why do you disagree with Tumble here ?
2 - Why do you don't scumlean either of those guys "yet" ? Cause it seems like yuo plan on scumleaning them later, which doesn't make sense, if they are scummy you should scumlean them now ?
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On July 21 2016 08:49 emperorchampion wrote:
hmm I feel OK about grack and prpl atm
palmar I find his read list pretty underwhelming, also his vote on lunatic is not that odd in of itself but it's weird that he said he didn't notice him when clearly he did or else woudn't have voted. I don't think he was trolling at that point
a lot of lunatic's posts don't add up so there's that
can some people explain more their town reads on tumble?
kruppe has given some reads, but without any reasoning they are a little tenuous, but at least it's something for now.
rels I guess we'll see tomorrow
sl??? I'm pretty not down with him not posting at all, but we'll see what happens
How are my posts wierd, I responded to everything associated with me. People are just using me to fill their post count and downplaying what I am trying to do which is generate friction. Which I stated in my earlier posts.
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On July 21 2016 11:44 sicklucker wrote:
I dont think anything made grack or the two new guys at the start of the game town. thats all I feel like reading now
Are you saying someone is a role? Please be more specific, and good way to meet post count, one sentence per post.
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On July 21 2016 11:56 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 22:04 Lunaticman wrote:On July 20 2016 22:02 emperorchampion wrote:On July 20 2016 19:44 Lunaticman wrote:On July 20 2016 19:40 Rels wrote:On July 20 2016 19:38 Lunaticman wrote:This post is beyond me, are you saying someone is cheating? No. How much IRL mafia did you play ? About 20 games, with around 8-16 players per game. We usually only played with the standard roles with some flavour such as Medic and Sheriff. But basically vanila mafia. Each game might have lasted around 8 hours per playthrough. I would consider myself an very vocal player but also guilable. Many games have been one or lost because of people spending to much time analyzing my actions. As I always say to myself the silent mafia is the worst mafia... but I digress since this seems very different. 8 hour irl mafia game, oh god I would die. Half the people in the room must have hated each other by the end Yes it is quite intense and I love the shit out of it. I would play it everyday if I could. The shocks. Someone could probably earn a living by recording mafia games and posting them online. ya its called video mafia on twitch
I did not know this, thanks will look at it today!
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On July 21 2016 03:09 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 02:36 emperorchampion wrote:On July 21 2016 02:25 Tumblewood wrote:On July 21 2016 02:19 emperorchampion wrote:On July 21 2016 02:15 Tumblewood wrote:On July 21 2016 02:11 emperorchampion wrote:On July 21 2016 02:08 Tumblewood wrote:On July 21 2016 02:06 emperorchampion wrote:
What do you think of my response of your question about Palmar's posting? I don't see a response On July 21 2016 01:07 emperorchampion wrote:
I was thinking to look more in depth, but I think the sentence that I posted sums it up pretty well actually. I don't question your reasoning on Palmar, I question the fact that you have a read on a guy who played for all of 5 minutes before leaving. What do you think my reasoning on kruppe vs my reasoning on Palmar? afaik you put kruppe in the inactive null category. I can't imagine him being anywhere else. I'm surprised though that Palmar is a town lean and not in the inactive null category with him. Kinda meh/kinda OK is not a town lean category. I think that your reasons for scum reading me are exceptionally limited now. In terms of "posting with a purpose", it's arguably limited to the first few posts of this game, which is pretty lulz since that was my entry to this game. To me, you either have some sort of idea of my "meta" in your head, and you went with it after reading a bit, or you are scum trying to push for a mislynch (a vote already?). The fact that you're still tunnelling the same point, and haven't given any other reasons is very dubious. I can't trust you at all, and I reeally hope that you're not setting yourself up for an easy mislynch. ec do you want a case? I'll give you a case. why ec is scumsummary: 1. posting to blend in and not to push town forward 2. no clear direction in his posting (these are different points I promise) 1.Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 00:04 emperorchampion wrote:On July 20 2016 23:48 Tumblewood wrote:On July 20 2016 23:45 Lunaticman wrote:On July 20 2016 23:43 Tumblewood wrote:On July 20 2016 23:37 Lunaticman wrote:On July 20 2016 23:34 Tumblewood wrote:On July 20 2016 23:28 emperorchampion wrote:On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
actually no
luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec)
also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move. Actually I've been playing the game a lot, so what's your scum lean based off of? when I say "posting but not playing" I mean you and luna are making a lot of posts but hardly working toward solving the game. That makes sense but I leave the solving to more qualified players this game. Maybe you can enlighten us with some quality information? ... solving the game is a team effort man. everyone needs to work towards finding scum, mostly because it's easier to find scum when they're pretending to make reads. no enlightenment from me, just reads. Yes but without information it's impossible to do it. I'd like to know what you think about the others players so far. players I have an opinion on: you (scum lean but having doubts) ec (scum lean) koshi (association stuff with you) I think I was screaming gracka but I don't remember why so it probably isn't important Since you're willing to step up: 1) What association between koshi and lunaticman? You mean town lean on koshi? 2) How can you suddenly forget about grack when you scum lean me and lunatic for "activity"? 3) No read on skynx? 4) Is this contributing? take this post. there's no conceivable purpose behind this because clearly nothing piques his interest (or else it would have focused on one point) but he asks a series of unrelated questions, the answers to which would not be helpful. I see no reason to make this post besides "it's a contribution". Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 01:18 emperorchampion wrote:On July 21 2016 01:14 Lunaticman wrote:
There is a worrying amount of silent players Hmm in a way yeah, but also people are busy in life, so I don't think too much about it atm. I'm not really sure what to make of inactivity yet. Generally I'm not a huge fan, since on a feels level it feels bad to lynch someone for being busy in real life. But on the other hand, I think mafia can have a difficult time joining in because they feel the pressure to always not be scum read for posting some random stuff. literally a paragraph about inactive players out of nowhere this is what I'm talking about. also: 2.I don't want to quote ec's WoT in post 299, but in 299 ec makes a big ol' case on me and then three minutes later makes a post about coffee. it shows me that he isn't concerning himself with actually pushing his reads in thread but just making a case and carrying on. you get what I mean? I get what I mean. [br] in a sentence, ec is speaking without asking to be listened to, which is imo a huge scumtell.
I see your points but I think it actually shows EC is town more than scum. EC is different from his last game, he is posting way more freely which doesn't add up with a 4th scum game in a row.
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