[M][N] Presidential Election Mini Mafia - Page 47

On June 27 2016 02:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I'm getting away with it! And you said you'd leave me alone which means you're letting me get away with it!

On June 27 2016 02:47 emperorchampion wrote:


Actually has anybody discussed this, other than the fact that it's pretty much un-cc'able? I would feel OK about this if it were any other green / blue role.

On June 26 2016 21:51 Superbia wrote:
Can everyone do this?

On June 26 2016 23:47 Jean Valjean wrote:
This is pretty important. Damdred, can I count on your support to the presidency?

In addition, I'd like for some of the more obvious supporters of my campaign, like stynx, QT and Tictock to start endorsing the campaign.

As for the person I will lynch, it is most likely going to be Artanis. I will re-read him before making a final decision, but I am fairly confident he's going to flip mafia. The alternatives are essentally lynching into the afk people or trolls (chez, moosy, GB and Jealous) There is absolutely mafia in that group but I do not know which ones.

I am also awaiting some colored Chez lists, those will be a great help in understanding his motivations this game.

On June 26 2016 23:49 Damdred wrote:
Oh I forgot qt

Just totally town early game by tone, his activity level and his I,involvement. The way he handled the pressure from art was great, he's not stiff and he's pressuring people. His thoughts seem genuine and he isn't holding anything back.

Super likely town .

On June 27 2016 00:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Jesus you guys give people free town passes too easily

On June 27 2016 02:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:
superbia if you promise to kill me if you're mayor i will vote for you

On June 26 2016 19:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Yeah 100% lynching Jean if I become mayor.

On June 27 2016 00:38 Jean Valjean wrote:

This is not incorrect, as mafia can never lynch me. My greatest strength in mafia is that I can beat people into submission with arguments and words, but I'm also perceptive enough to understand my potential weakness.

I would love if you could play around the tunneling part. The one thing I can ask of you is that you clearly indicate your number one scumread (ticktock, I suppose?) and that you build a good, readable case on him that can be reposted and referenced easily farther down the line in the game.

The best case scenario is that your case proves you're not mafia and you avoid the lynch, but a close alternative is that even if myself, and a number of other players you think are town, are completely wrong on you and you flip town, you have left something that we can use in the following days to right the ship. No matter if you get lynched you still have a responsibility to try to win the game for your faction, and if your faction is town, you should work on creating a case that town can get behind, either today, or the following days after you're gone.

My weakness is that I am not always right, I can be wrong, and it can be very difficult to be wrong for such a strong leader as myself, so I need other players to keep me in check.

On June 26 2016 20:25 Jean Valjean wrote:


Hence, your primary category is "Null". If you would like for me to change my read on you, start finding mafia and you shall be swiftly rewarded. Go through someone's filter, build a case. You're not pushing anyone, you're not doing anything decisive. Even if I'm completely wrong on Artanis, I'm building a case, presenting evidence and pushing things forward in a way that will help the game. You're at best on the sidelines asking marginally relevant questions and providing uninteresting oneliners about people's alignment

I barely even know who you think is mafia or who you want to lynch, yet you're a candidate for the mayoral office? How do you expect to win votes like that?

Convince me on something, hell convince me Artanis is town, and I'll gladly throw my vote behind you. But as of now you deserve very little. You have 5 pages of filter and I can't even remember you calling anyone strongly mafia.

On June 27 2016 02:10 Tumblewood wrote:
damdred I have no recollection of when you said this or whether you're here but why are you giving ec a free pass for d1?
also jean and art lay off I'm 90% sure that's a TvT argument you've got going

On June 27 2016 02:36 GlowingBear wrote:
Btw I'm inactive right now because I'm working. Tomorrow is the first day of a theatre play we've being working on for months and I am rehearsing right now

On June 27 2016 02:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i think i successfully have superbia, artanis, and jean against me which just leaves convincing gb to hammer myself.

so gb lad. still think you have that townie vibe from me?

On June 27 2016 02:42 QuickTwist wrote:


This post sucks and I'm Scum reading you for it.

On June 27 2016 02:49 QuickTwist wrote:


These arguments Art is bringing up just reeks of Scum.

On June 27 2016 02:49 Jean Valjean wrote:
The following is actually a very well thought out post. I am completely removing Jealous from the table as a potential lynch candidate day 1. This doesn't of course mean he is a lock townread forever, but the thought process he shows here, while occasionally slightly flawed (I'll respond to specifics later in this post), means he's actually thinking about the game in a very strategic kind of way.

The reason I am responding to this post in detail is that I believe it is good form to respond to people who actually put thought into the way they play the game. I'm hoping to win Jealous over as an ally in the coming days.



You are entirely correct. The point is, anyone running for presidency is going to need to make an impression on town. I decided that because I had more time than expected today, I would push for the spot (also, the other options mostly sucked). If I do not push the idea that I'm a strong candidate, there is no chance for me to succeed. I have no meta, no name recognition, nothing to go on except what I say and do this game. I needed, more than anyone else, to push myself ahead of the group.

The important part, and the part you must not miss, is that all this is true whatever my alignment is. Some people have overestimated me being town on this basis, and you seem to overestimate me being scum. The important part is you cannot find my alignment just based on this, you need to actually look at my reads and my insights, rather than my words and my platform, to deduce my alignment.



Yes, but again, so would someone who is simply afk as town. I had real life obligations yesterday and was unable to participate much. I have had more time than expected today, which has been great.



Yes, I'm good at arguing and I can push my ideas heavily when needed. But it is extremely difficult to do what I'm doing as mafia. I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just very difficult and I don't think many scum players are capable of doing it.

Also, the reason I tend to attack people based on some expectation of their play, is that it's a cleverly aggressive way to point out something they did wrong. If I put a person in a position with limited options, for example when I say Artanis is good enough to townread me and if he doesn't he must be mafia, it is more likely the person screws up. It's simply an interrogation tactic.

Artanis might still be mafia but I feel far less certain than before. I'm not a huge fan of him giving up because I know Artanis is a generally jolly and relaxed, but I guess it doesn't necessarily make him mafia. His mafia game is more trolly than resigned, and there is a very real chance his frustration with being pushed is actually real.

I don't know right now and I'm sort of waffling on lynching Artanis.



I simply do that for readability and transparency. I think, if anything, the conciseness of my posts should indicate that at least if I'm mafia, I'm not using the tactic of shitting up the thread with useless posts.



I have support because I am far better than all the alternatives. No, I am not a player you can simply look at and your eyes are filled with a neon-green light. Due to the fact that I'm articulate, people tend to assume I am capable of better scumplay than I really am. But in general the simple solutions tend to be good, which is why in most people's mind, the simple solution that I'm trying in an extremely townie way, is that I'm town. I'm not saying you should not watch out for tryhard scum, it's just that you should also not forget what is most likely in a given situation.

I agree scum should not let town grab the power positions, but experience has taught me that for the most part, scum is extremely bad at pushing for these positions. I think it happens very rarely that mafia actually gets their candidate voted into power, it's just too much effort and very difficult to do.

On June 27 2016 03:05 GlowingBear wrote:


Yes Moosy, unfortunately. As I said, you were reacting naturally to the information that was posted in the thread. Sadly, you think that claiming scum is cool and helps you to catch scum. It isn't.

On June 26 2016 23:44 Damdred wrote:
If you mean my super early town circle of

Art, Damdred, tumble, super, chez

Chez just seemed to be read I,g and thinking about the game and pointed out some setup things I think only he would do as town. He is chez and is my friend won't lynch! Really though it's town sided for him to do those things.

Tumble was a total tone read early, since then he's been super active. He's been pushing different angles and seemingly is trying to figure out people's alignments while 're evaluating when new things cone up. Pretty sure town

Super was the decent amount of posting early and the prodding towards people while,not over reacting when told to wait on things. Also him trying to organize today points to town as well and hi a general activity.

Art is just town at this point though. Super active pushing things he seemingly believes. It was the sane early as well, his little retaliation towards Jean feels like town art as well as he is vindictive if you call him scum. Which is part of the reason for,ny early tr I wanted to work with him.

My gb read is explained in my filter earlier and I still stick with it. The only real problem I have is a lack of reads later in the day. But that's nai a for him, overall still town.

Any direct questions that I need to expand on these people is ok.

And atm I kind of want to lynch jealous.

The reasoning for this lynch is that his activity is still super low eleven though we've been in the game what over 36 hours? His one post of actual content actually seems like tmi especially towards art to me. Just seems strange never playing with art and just coming away he's town without any paranoia.

S far he's my lynch but still reading a couple