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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 01 2016 22:44 GMT
#2341
The quality of town's reads this game was great.
I reread the game today, it turned out to be unecessary p: but almost every townie had at least 1 scum in his scum list, and most had 2. As shown by the votes actually, two scums up for lynch D1.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 01 2016 22:45 GMT
#2342
On June 01 2016 19:13 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 08:03 sicklucker wrote:
but lets assume super is mafia. Super reqeust ritoky my other scum read to do a "robot read" on him. Ritoky comes to the conclusion.

Ritoky also pushes on tumbleweed who is hfs other scum read. Hf often decides day one lynches and his two scum reads now are tumble and super. So we have ritoky trying to push hf's direcetion off of superbia. (superbia also asked his to do a read how convient)

Im going down the vivax hole here but I wanna br right I think im right.

Lets not forget I scum read them both individually but there is alot of thing pointing they might be a team. I know its early but Im more confident then I have ever been in a day 1 association read. Just like in my last game how I was more confident then I ever was on a day 1 read that superbia was mafia ( I was right)

I think this is a team boys

wow SL called a ritoky / HF / superbia team D1
Pretty good if Palmar is scum, super impressive if ritoky is ^^



[image loading]

got some kanye ego right now need some sleep
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 01 2016 22:46 GMT
#2343
ez game ez life.
Knew it all along.
I had a good night of sleep.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 01 2016 22:47 GMT
#2344
On June 02 2016 07:45 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2016 19:13 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2016 08:03 sicklucker wrote:
but lets assume super is mafia. Super reqeust ritoky my other scum read to do a "robot read" on him. Ritoky comes to the conclusion.

Ritoky also pushes on tumbleweed who is hfs other scum read. Hf often decides day one lynches and his two scum reads now are tumble and super. So we have ritoky trying to push hf's direcetion off of superbia. (superbia also asked his to do a read how convient)

Im going down the vivax hole here but I wanna br right I think im right.

Lets not forget I scum read them both individually but there is alot of thing pointing they might be a team. I know its early but Im more confident then I have ever been in a day 1 association read. Just like in my last game how I was more confident then I ever was on a day 1 read that superbia was mafia ( I was right)

I think this is a team boys

wow SL called a ritoky / HF / superbia team D1
Pretty good if Palmar is scum, super impressive if ritoky is ^^



[image loading]

got some kanye ego right now need some sleep


The best quote from D1 is actually:
On June 01 2016 18:54 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 06:13 Holyflare wrote:
Ritoky posted the exact same thing Superbia, guess all three of us must be mafia together. Game over guys.

lol
please be true

sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 01 2016 22:47 GMT
#2345
On June 02 2016 07:42 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2016 07:31 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On June 02 2016 07:29 sicklucker wrote:
Not killing dandred in the spot mafia was in is comparable to not throwing a hail marry pass with 10 seconds left 80 yards away in a football game. like come on


there was another pr. it was very likely that pr could save, in which case they would have saved damdred.

No way town had two protective roles. Since they knew Damdred was JK it was a free shot


no I want to hear jat argue how hes the besttest ever and should have been nked!

I dont think scum thought they had any hope or gave it much thought. Think their logic was jat wants to kill us BAD!
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
June 01 2016 22:52 GMT
#2346
On June 02 2016 07:47 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2016 07:45 sicklucker wrote:
On June 01 2016 19:13 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2016 08:03 sicklucker wrote:
but lets assume super is mafia. Super reqeust ritoky my other scum read to do a "robot read" on him. Ritoky comes to the conclusion.

Ritoky also pushes on tumbleweed who is hfs other scum read. Hf often decides day one lynches and his two scum reads now are tumble and super. So we have ritoky trying to push hf's direcetion off of superbia. (superbia also asked his to do a read how convient)

Im going down the vivax hole here but I wanna br right I think im right.

Lets not forget I scum read them both individually but there is alot of thing pointing they might be a team. I know its early but Im more confident then I have ever been in a day 1 association read. Just like in my last game how I was more confident then I ever was on a day 1 read that superbia was mafia ( I was right)

I think this is a team boys

wow SL called a ritoky / HF / superbia team D1
Pretty good if Palmar is scum, super impressive if ritoky is ^^



[image loading]

got some kanye ego right now need some sleep


The best quote from D1 is actually:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2016 18:54 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2016 06:13 Holyflare wrote:
Ritoky posted the exact same thing Superbia, guess all three of us must be mafia together. Game over guys.

lol
please be true


Yeah, if only he wasn't talking about me/ritoky/himself there.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 01 2016 22:54 GMT
#2347
On June 02 2016 07:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2016 07:47 Rels wrote:
On June 02 2016 07:45 sicklucker wrote:
On June 01 2016 19:13 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2016 08:03 sicklucker wrote:
but lets assume super is mafia. Super reqeust ritoky my other scum read to do a "robot read" on him. Ritoky comes to the conclusion.

Ritoky also pushes on tumbleweed who is hfs other scum read. Hf often decides day one lynches and his two scum reads now are tumble and super. So we have ritoky trying to push hf's direcetion off of superbia. (superbia also asked his to do a read how convient)

Im going down the vivax hole here but I wanna br right I think im right.

Lets not forget I scum read them both individually but there is alot of thing pointing they might be a team. I know its early but Im more confident then I have ever been in a day 1 association read. Just like in my last game how I was more confident then I ever was on a day 1 read that superbia was mafia ( I was right)

I think this is a team boys

wow SL called a ritoky / HF / superbia team D1
Pretty good if Palmar is scum, super impressive if ritoky is ^^



[image loading]

got some kanye ego right now need some sleep


The best quote from D1 is actually:
On June 01 2016 18:54 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2016 06:13 Holyflare wrote:
Ritoky posted the exact same thing Superbia, guess all three of us must be mafia together. Game over guys.

lol
please be true


Yeah, if only he wasn't talking about me/ritoky/himself there.

)=
HF is not the baller I thought he was
Guess he really is #15
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 01 2016 22:56 GMT
#2348
=[
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 01 2016 22:58 GMT
#2349
Glancing the scum qt no thought of lynching the claimed unprotected powerole and super snap lynched jat out of spite. so you did that very well. its a jat attack!
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 02 2016 00:22 GMT
#2350
On June 02 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote:
The game wasn't overloaded though with pr and overall the pr were weAk. Town just played pretty well


and i'm not saying it's necessarily pro town either. It's just coinflippy because you have all this information that trumps analysis. And the information could give the win to town or give the win to scum.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 02 2016 02:06 GMT
#2351
Idk what the difference is from normal.

A general setup is

Cop variant, doc/vet/jk, vig vs godfather, RB, goon and sometimes a Miller or wanderer for extra cop hate.

The town sided pr were super weak as they were listed in actions and tracker and parity need analytical skills to try to figure out what's going on.

Couple that with the mafia team being decidedly strong especially silly against a parity cop and nothing but super carrying kp to avoid tracker. We have a scum team that in the right hand will 9/10 times roll over town pr.

Just my opinion it really helped that hf died n1 or else would of been super funky on the checks.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
June 02 2016 06:22 GMT
#2352
I had to live d3 in order for us to have a chance of winning the game. x: But I couldn't try too hard else it would've been obvious I was mafia struggling. Game was pretty hard, especially since I rolled the godfather.

I really hoped that I had been in the check and was kind of playing towards that during n1/d2.

I was also convinced we had roleblocked kush (who I also thought was PR) during n1. Probably because I had KP put on him n1. I therefore genuinely thought his checks were fake.
Minimal effort.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 02 2016 06:28 GMT
#2353
Ez game. Just thought it was so so stupid that I had to defend myself at all after a perfect day 1 so, well, I didn't.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 02 2016 07:43 GMT
#2354
I now have proof Koshi is making people quit mafia.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 02 2016 12:21 GMT
#2355
On June 02 2016 15:28 marvellosity wrote:
Ez game. Just thought it was so so stupid that I had to defend myself at all after a perfect day 1 so, well, I didn't.


ban
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 02 2016 13:17 GMT
#2356
I have officially come to a conclusion people don't know how to read OP.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 02 2016 13:58 GMT
#2357
I was planning on writing a recap of the game but it's not gonna happen today since i was awake for over 35 hours and today is time to sleep. Some things about the setup though:

I don't think the setup is in any way imbalanced. I "tuned" the setup with Artanis after randoming the roles that will be in the game (first rng i got cop, parity-cop and a doctor and i ditched that because it's not gonna work). The x-shot things were there to balance it out on almost every possibility (also millers and wanderers but i wasn't really planning on using those anyways). Because noone who knows how to balance games hasn't complained about the setup i don't really think there was anything wrong with it, but if you think there is, let me know.

I already knew i am going to give mafia a godfather, roleblocker and a framer/lawyer. Godfather so they can't assume there is no cop (cop would be quite OP otherwise and i hate cops anyways), roleblocker because it's a role mafia needs every game against anything, and framer so that mafia does just not roll over and die setupwise in case GF dies D1 (as there was a parity cop), or at least they have a chance with a godlike frame.

Tracker is super duper powerful, you can probably understand why if you think about it for a bit.... Cop was just a nothing since getting roleblocked or jailed on any night you check results in you not getting a check at all. + There is GF and the framer. Basically the role was there only for the claim + the added value if played well (kush basically took like 100% out he could get from the role so very well played there! ). All the shots i adjusted to balance the game. There was some reason why scum roleblocker was also 3-shot, i don't remember it right now, maybe Artanis does?



Some things. People seriously need to read the OP.
From thread:

- "Can we nolynch" was asked from me... Read the OP.
- "If godfather sends in the night kill he is untrackable". There has never been a game like that in TL afaik, and even if there was the OP does not indicate anything like that. Delivered - trackable KP. What does that mean? It means the person who sends the kill shows up visiting the person they killed to a tracker, being a godfather or not has nothing to do with this.
- "Roleblocking a godfather removes the passive status of the role so cop can check them". What this is even? Really? roflmao, where does it say so? Not in my rules at least...
- "It says the roles are 100% rng'd" (this was about setup) -- no it doesn't say that, in fact it says the opposite in the OP. It says the roles are not completely rng'd because i don't think you can balance a game like that.

There were more of these but i can't remember them all right now...
I mean idk, maybe i should be clear enough and clarify how every role works? Should i? Where is common sense? The only confusion i can understand was the jk/rb+jk/rb targeting each other and it seemed to confuse other people over other scenarion (maybe that was bad articulation on my part?). I mean you have to have a rule for rb+rb targeting each other always, but idk how some people assumed (or how it was unclear) that if a rb blocks a JK "does the JK's roleblock/protection still go through"? Why would it? Or if a roleblocker blocks mafia roleblocker can the mafia guy still send in a night kill? Like do you guys know what roleblocker normally does?

And the above is not even that bad. I know people miss stuff all the time or don't remember (or care to read). But when those kinda things get posted in thread none of the other players in the game cares even to clarify that those things are obviously flase. Hell i know there was a player whose READS some of those things affected, because he just took all of it as face value.....

So yeah, read the Op please. I know this goes to deaf ears most likely but at least i said it.
table for two on a tv tray
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 02 2016 14:32 GMT
#2358
I think the game was balanced. It's that there were too many prs.
in a 10-3 game usually there are only 2 blues, 1 mafia pr, and a gf. Or something like that?

Having so many prs moves the emphasis from analysis to information.

Think about it. If Marv claimed, we would have had 3 confirmed towns just from claims alone, not to mention the information we get from the result of night actions.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 02 2016 14:39 GMT
#2359
3 blues is not too much regardless of what you say.
table for two on a tv tray
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 02 2016 14:45 GMT
#2360
you don't agree that the fewer blues, the better?
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