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On June 03 2016 00:58 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
rayn, again, i'm not saying it was imbalanced. This isn't a conversation about balance. It's just the more prs you have, the more the game is about figuring out mechanics rather than behavioral analysis.
I have no idea why you are even arguing this since prs basically had no part in mafia losing this game anyways?
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im arguing that behavioral analysis is more fun than mechanics analysis.
therefore it's better to have less prs.
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On June 03 2016 02:29 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
im arguing that behavioral analysis is more fun than mechanics analysis.
therefore it's better to have less prs.
Sure, I just don't get what it has to do with this game.
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On June 03 2016 03:36 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 02:29 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
im arguing that behavioral analysis is more fun than mechanics analysis.
therefore it's better to have less prs. Sure, I just don't get what it has to do with this game.
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this game had a lot of prs.
i am saying it would have been better without.
the point is that maybe i can convince rayn to make his next game with less prs.
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3 is just a normal game of pr in 13 typically.
If hf had survived also we couldn't trust most of the pr information anyway. This was just a different case as the mafia team folded
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On June 03 2016 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:
The game wasn't imbalanced at all. Mafia just got stomped by analysis.
Imagine a day1 mislynch. The chance of the parity cop getting an incorrect check is actually quite high with a framer and a gf. Suddenly there are almost no confirmed town left. There weren't even any confirmed towns in this game until super flipped. That's also why SLs nightkill rant was so idiotic. No, damdred is not confirmed town and leaving him alive at least for a while is a valid strategy if you can rb him. They couldn't know what kind of terrible cop check was in store for them.
you somehow found a way to argue against logic. jat is amazing when it comes to arguing
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On June 03 2016 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Host sheet with actions and full roles list: ![[image loading]](http://s33.postimg.org/yd23x62en/hfhost.jpg) Funnily enough ritoky had 2/3 town blues figured out like 12 hours into the game.  Koshi was an attempted bluesnipe afaik and regardless of what sicklucker says it worked out since it played a role in marv being lynched on D2. Before Vivax conceded Damdred sent in a jail on Vivax.
i didnt say koshi was a bad nk. I just thought it turned out super bad rng and all because they changed it from kush which would have given them a chance. When your getting stomped keeping koshi in the game is probably a good idea anyway since he changes his mind the most
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On June 03 2016 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 00:41 justanothertownie wrote:On June 03 2016 00:15 Rels wrote:On June 03 2016 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:
The game wasn't imbalanced at all. Mafia just got stomped by analysis.
Imagine a day1 mislynch. The chance of the parity cop getting an incorrect check is actually quite high with a framer and a gf. Suddenly there are almost no confirmed town left. There weren't even any confirmed towns in this game until super flipped. That's also why SLs nightkill rant was so idiotic. No, damdred is not confirmed town and leaving him alive at least for a while is a valid strategy if you can rb him. They couldn't know what kind of terrible cop check was in store for them. I disagree because: - Superbia was heavily likely to be the next lynch, leaving only the roleblocker alive, and - if Damdred roleblocked correctly the roleblocker, the NK would be stopped Sure, that's a valid point but sometimes you need to take risks and Vivax clearly was their endgame solution. And for a while everyone except for me miraculously thought he was town. On June 03 2016 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JAT i disagree though with the Damdred thing. Damdred was quite likely to be town (noone is ever confirmed) because mafia didn't try to do anything about his claim. They could have, especially Superbia since he was likely to get lynched anyways.
I think mafia, with better play could have gotten one of Damdred/kush lynched, especially since Damdred jailed kush N2 (and got rb'd by mafia). Yeah, obviously. But I don't know what you are arguing then - mafia playing suboptimally doesn't invalidate the general strategy and that is basically what you are saying too. Mafias problem in this game was just that they were super scummy except for HF and that guy got lynched day1. They didn't even really get cred for their doublebus (exceptions: Koshi, kush) because the rest of supers play was so mafia. I was saying the way mafia dealed with the claims made damdred almost 100% town. Maybe i misunderstood you initially since it seema like we are arguing the same thing.
super would have still been lynched if he claimed anything at any point in the game. vivax going for a 1 for 1 trade is not something that would win them the game
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Like if your the next lynch claiming wont really much at least against me. it would have to be pre-emptive risky and good. hail marry like
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On June 03 2016 05:01 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 03 2016 00:41 justanothertownie wrote:On June 03 2016 00:15 Rels wrote:On June 03 2016 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:
The game wasn't imbalanced at all. Mafia just got stomped by analysis.
Imagine a day1 mislynch. The chance of the parity cop getting an incorrect check is actually quite high with a framer and a gf. Suddenly there are almost no confirmed town left. There weren't even any confirmed towns in this game until super flipped. That's also why SLs nightkill rant was so idiotic. No, damdred is not confirmed town and leaving him alive at least for a while is a valid strategy if you can rb him. They couldn't know what kind of terrible cop check was in store for them. I disagree because: - Superbia was heavily likely to be the next lynch, leaving only the roleblocker alive, and - if Damdred roleblocked correctly the roleblocker, the NK would be stopped Sure, that's a valid point but sometimes you need to take risks and Vivax clearly was their endgame solution. And for a while everyone except for me miraculously thought he was town. On June 03 2016 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JAT i disagree though with the Damdred thing. Damdred was quite likely to be town (noone is ever confirmed) because mafia didn't try to do anything about his claim. They could have, especially Superbia since he was likely to get lynched anyways.
I think mafia, with better play could have gotten one of Damdred/kush lynched, especially since Damdred jailed kush N2 (and got rb'd by mafia). Yeah, obviously. But I don't know what you are arguing then - mafia playing suboptimally doesn't invalidate the general strategy and that is basically what you are saying too. Mafias problem in this game was just that they were super scummy except for HF and that guy got lynched day1. They didn't even really get cred for their doublebus (exceptions: Koshi, kush) because the rest of supers play was so mafia. I was saying the way mafia dealed with the claims made damdred almost 100% town. Maybe i misunderstood you initially since it seema like we are arguing the same thing. super would have still been lynched if he claimed anything at any point in the game. vivax going for a 1 for 1 trade is not something that would win them the game
If you want to argue like this then it doesn't matter at all what mafia did because they would have been lynched regardless. A kush or damdred nightkill would not have changed anything about that.
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Well after your nightkill we had auto so. no it didnt matter what they did
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On June 03 2016 05:06 sicklucker wrote:
Well after your nightkill we had auto so. no it didnt matter what they did
The nightkill did not change anything about that though.
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On June 03 2016 04:55 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:
The game wasn't imbalanced at all. Mafia just got stomped by analysis.
Imagine a day1 mislynch. The chance of the parity cop getting an incorrect check is actually quite high with a framer and a gf. Suddenly there are almost no confirmed town left. There weren't even any confirmed towns in this game until super flipped. That's also why SLs nightkill rant was so idiotic. No, damdred is not confirmed town and leaving him alive at least for a while is a valid strategy if you can rb him. They couldn't know what kind of terrible cop check was in store for them. you somehow found a way to argue against logic. jat is amazing when it comes to arguing
Right... Someone should tell you what logic is if you make posts like this.
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On June 03 2016 05:06 sicklucker wrote:
Well after your nightkill we had auto so. no it didnt matter what they did
No you didnt. Town lynvhes palmar rels and you.
Ggnore. You were even dumb enough to argue you cant be scum with anyone in the game and the sentence before you said you can easily be scum with superbia......
If you cant read at least read what what you write yourself. If i was mafia and playing this game you would have been 100% lynched on D3. Easily. Pages 99-103 are so fucking full of shit.
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On May 31 2016 07:15 sicklucker wrote:
let see who mafia can lynh
Dandred - nope tracked tumbles no nk delervery NOPE
kush- nope or tumble or ls because copped
Ls- NOPE
tumble- NOPE
that leaves those 3 and me and vivax.
Now vivax is defending me which is against his win con so hes never fucking mafia. That and hes obvious town. So you got me whos obvious town this makes the game auto as fuck.
Palmar/rels/super also what do they have in common? THEY ALL WANT TO FUCKING KILL ME. Mafia needs 2 or 3 mislynches ot win. They always have to kill me to win because they nked jat for some reason over dandred.
SO vivax is pretty much confirmed town by not wanting to kill me when mafia has to kill me to win ( we went over this a few times)
So if im mafia whos my partner? no one because everyone wants to kill me.
Simple
Here. The "logic" you are using is not logic. Anywhere.
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Yeah there were too many "Xxx isn't mafia because mafia wouldn't defend me" posts this game
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"Mafia needs to kill me to win and i am town so fuck you all i am town and we win also i can't be scum with anyone except Superbia who we are lynching and is mafia so fuck you again."
Love and peace.
PS. i am calling the other mafia guy town.
Now this wouldnt be bad in itself because people are wrong/cocky/whatever. But after game cockiness when not realizing what you have yourself said in the game is just fucking retardness....
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shut up ryan I was just trolling him
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On June 03 2016 08:38 sicklucker wrote:
shut up ryan I was just trolling him
Then stop trolling when the game is over. You are just making yourself looking like an asshole rn.
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im sure you just looked like a huge asshole. Its ok to troll an asshole tho. its jat...
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