On April 25 2016 07:16 Fidei86 wrote: SHAAAAPPPEEE BROOOO you gotta vote in the next five minutes or so so we can have a sensible discussion about consolidating.
I JUST GOT OUT OF FUCKING JAIL AND HOME GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!
Alright, If life can allow me to fucking play, then I can fucking play.
Some thoughts on the game.
I thought gb, after reading, he actually was on during the time the DYH lynch started, yet he declared afk status about 15 mins before LS's post about wanting to lynch DYH. And his next post is a few hours after the lynch. If it was what I thought it was (He was here while the DYH was getting pushed) then I would TR him for not standing up and defending.
Anyways,
Gb was focused on SL early on, yet I can see both sides of the coin doing it. Yet the prob (and this has prob. been said, do not care) I have is SL. SL only written person he wanted to lynch D1 was GB
On April 21 2016 09:30 sicklucker wrote: Dont want to lynch Ls hes so cute and trying hard Ticktock is looking really strong I do want to lynch koshi but hes probably town. Not sure I can do another koshi game Gum probably town from what I know about him FF was not even in the top 3 people for wasting posts early so im not sure why hes being attacked. Hts seems over defensive but maybe thats just the koshi factor wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one I want to lynch gb a lil for this posts
4 Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts
He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:
1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game 2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.
Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective
He clearly missed the many posts by me and my comrades that my post ment nothing.
I guess me or HTS he was keeping options open for. Anyways,
So SL wanted to lynch GB, and posts this right afterwards:
On April 21 2016 09:31 sicklucker wrote: Gb do you or do you not just always push me everytime you get a red pm in the inbox?
SL then goes afk, GB posts some things about reads and such. So maybe, scum!SL changed his mind on GB.
sicklucker, I went through your post and I have a few questions
(1) Why is Tictock strong? (2) LS has faked his meta as mafia (which you allude to as cute) in Cell Mafia. Give me something more concrete as to why he's town (3) Shapelog hasn't made concrete reads - that should tell you something. His filter isn't very long... (4) Expand on GB's scum meta of pushing you - I've played with you both quite a bit and I'm completely unaware of it.
sicklucker, I had these questions of your list post.
And Fecalfeast, what prompted you to suggest voting me?
1 . Cant even remember I got 5 minutes. He had good long posts early when I read the game idk 2. He was quite active for him and doing his usual routine like hes town 3. vote him then? Dont read his posts at all see storm qt 4. gb pushes me everygame as scum. I think thats pretty plane as day. he pushes me quite alot as town tho but he has a 100% rate over a pretty big sample of games 20_ of always trying to lynch me but never succeeding. probably why I dont respect his scum game despite it having a good win percentage
Nope, he didn't. TT is a bit high on his list, for reasons he has trouble remembering. Noteing and moving on.
What is interesting to me though, is that SL obv. spent his time arguing for his survival, yet had a scum read (GB) that he could push from a scum perspective. And with the votes:
So HTS was a weird vote tbh. GB was much higher in his lynch list, even stated points again that would make him scum again. Really out of place in terms of reads and what not. + note the open option he had on me and HTS.
Idk, the fact that SL voted HTS (for being a lady killer?) over someone that he scum read makes no sense. The lynch was basically set at the time HTS was voted for too as well.
What is even more damming is the fact that two mafia basically off wagon vote. Which is strange tbh. It could be that mafia was a course fine with the wagon, which makes sense. But 2 mafia off wagoning (at the end), is quite strange tbh. 3 other people (Fidei86, TT, and GB) all also solo wagoned as well (for a total of 5 off wagons)
Then you got the people who voted for the people on the main wagon, Koshi, Gumshoe, Half the Sky and Me. Which, when I get more time, I look back at these people around the time of the start of the FF wagon. D2:
Ik someone made the agurement that Scum needed a ML here, and they associative read DYH and GB together that way. I kinda feel if that was the case though, that they would pick someone more like Gum to push, especially since Gum A) was easier to ML (guy basically voted for himself lol) and B) because anyone could have change his reads tbh to get him lynched. And the Gum was already in bad stands according to DYH. It also doesn't seem really realistic for them in the case to do that, as KOshi wasn't on top of enough peoples lynch list. There is also another one, in which someone said something about GB (maybe it was Gum) carrying the team, which is kinda meh considering the fact of the AFK time.
Actually, it is kinda weird that he was sus. of Gum enough to say that he needed to get lynched, yet he didn't push. Hmm, I get to it in the DYH part of this post.
The only real throw away vote tbh (I guess you could argue that GB is a bit throwy, yet it isn't solo) is from suppose vig (which btw, I trust his claim since him breadcrumbing and quick claim after sus. makes sense after dieing last game due to not claiming. I.E. Makes sense for him to be breadcrumbing and what not) So nothing there.
Things I saw in DYH filter
I've read his Filter, and this is some things I see.
On April 25 2016 05:24 Fidei86 wrote: There are lots of other points against me - #1 is I have no f'ing idea who I want to vote this evening. Activity could be a thing - I have tons of OGI excuses, but I know those don't carry any weight.
Does it seem likely that scum gumshoe calls the wagon on Koshi dumpster, when that's the only other one going?
Any reasoning we can have around gum is WIFOMed all to hell. As soon as anyone asks to be lynched they are playing against their win condition. All that is left is whether or not town will do it more often than scum.
keep options open on me
Tinfoil, but it is possible he was lurking, since he GG after 4 mins after deadline, yet was AFK due to playing legue (which seems off to meh)
There is actually a lot more pointing to GB than anyone else actually. Like I knew a lot pointed to him, but damm. The HTS vote from SL D1 over GB also seems a bit weird to me as well.
I am going to reread some more filters. Primarily Gum and TT and maybe Fidei86. Koshi I feel strongly town btw. + Show Spoiler [OH YEAH] +
Meta points on me have my 100% stamp of approveal. Also lol at tumble about me not spamming. + Show Spoiler +
I am/have been reading Fidei's filter as I get free time at college.
Quick reply though
But in his filter it doesn't make sense. Reading his filter, he was on Koshi all cycle. But town were consolidating on DYH, and yet he was voting Koshi with DYH even after he said he was uncomfortable with DYH's play.
GB also being off the wagon would also fit with him just having zero influence, or clearly not enough influence to get Koshi lynched, I know I definitely came around to the point on day 2 I wasn't going to lynch him. Like I feel with everything else pointing to him, I cannot ignore that possibility.
By the time town considtation (I am using LS post about wanting to lynch DYH more), GB had already declared afkiness.
About DYH: this is his reasoning (I went to find it)
On April 25 2016 05:27 GlowingBear wrote: Oh DYH. If you're Mafia you've just pocketed me with your sexy, sexy support to my case.
##Unvote
##vote: Koshi
IT is kinda meh tbh. Not totally great reason to drop sus. on anyone. Thou, I can see town doing this (and have seen town doing this)
Finishing this post that I started around the time I said I had 10 mins. Koshi narrative + my want anyways to read Fidei86 filter + Time = this, Also, I guess Koshi is stuck on the whole overlord(s) thing now. Grovey.
On April 25 2016 05:15 DoYouHas wrote: @HtS - Why don't you agree with me on Fid. What are you seeing in his play that is scummy that I am not? The only mark I have against him is that he drops off hard as scum and he hasn't posted much recently.
I was trying to figure out his general direction on who he's trying to lynch, besides his dropping off, I'm not clear on whether he's waiting to pick up on a lynch like SL or what....beginning of day 2, his approaches were all over the shop. If you look at page 2 of his filter he doesn't have a clear direction which makes me question whether he's a low activity mafia. Now I see he's trying to figure the game out but at the time I wasn't clear.
On the other hand, you also have Shapelog who hasn't posted hardly dick all this cycle either.
Do we think Shape's voting exhonerates him? If he were scum, if he'd managed to be on a wagon on scum that then got overtaken by a town wagon, I don't see why you'd then flip onto a town wagon at the last moment. That's just way too much weird play to make sense from a scum perspective.
Unfortunately, that also means that DYH's play makes a lot more sense.
So I'm at
Town: LS, Shape, TW Confused about their voting right now: Koshi, gumshoe No particular reason to lynch: DYH Not scum as not pushing me???: HTS, TT ??? GB
This is really a Interesting post to be quite honest. This is before the defensive posts and what not btw.
idk what to make of quite honestly. It integrates me that he has listed that he does not have a particular reason to lynch DYH, defends and then posts this:
On April 25 2016 06:57 Fidei86 wrote: Dani, how can Shape be mafia. What mafia gets onto a bussing wagon, then stays on it until AFTER another wagon has formed and is hitting town, to get onto the ML. That just makes no sense to me.
DYH though, I could dig. I'm going to re-read his filter again.
after not talking about why he was voting him.
And I can't really find a change, in terms of reads, when I look at that part of the filter or even afterwards. Most of his talk towards it was about why he wouldn't do it as scum (afterwards). But, Noir taught me that not everyone labels everything down (Yammty for example.)
I feel like if I knew the top part, it would be more helpful, as I currently know more reasons why he TR DYH that day instead of why he wanted him to be lynched. Annoyly, I want it.
Then you got the points Koshi made, about the consolidation (idc if this is spelled right or not to be honest), I agree with most of his points tho, this one I kinda have mix feelings about.
On April 25 2016 07:22 Fidei86 wrote: Can people please get their shit together and vote now. If nobody else is switching I need to decide which of GB / gum / Koshi to lynch.
As this does make sense, in line with a mindset to consolidation with town, as that would mean that he doesn't want the wagons to be split heavily. Therefore, he would change vote in this serine. I think.
Anyways, looking pasted the "great" associative/vote powers I have. The rest of his filter,
-Pretty defensive tbh. I prob. glace at his scum games on record to see if this is a trend or not. I understand him wanting credit for what he did if he is town, yet it seems extreme, and even happen before Day2 (VC from D1)
-Rollercoaster read progression on HTS. Like his hands goes up and down no matter what (you get a cookie if you get the reference) There is more, just don't feel like quoting it all
On April 23 2016 23:33 Fidei86 wrote: Having read back through the filters, I've sort of talked myself back round on HTS and TT. There is a lot lot of suspicious stuff in their filters, but nobody else seems to see the link / soft defending I see, and I may just be paranoid. Both have had some pretty good analysis since the D2 flip. And as I said before, SL went after HTS pretty hard in circumstances where it was more than possible she might actually become a target.
As I said before, if Dani makes it to D4ish, I'm going to get the mega tin foil out. But for now, I'm okay with her as town.
TW is town obviously. I'm pretty sold on LS as town, actually.
The issue I have now is that all of Shape, GB and DYH have been particularly underwhelming. I'd put shape at the higher end of that, but DYH and GB have been borderline useless. I think looking carefully at their filters, which I'll do now, is likely to yield dividends in terms of solving this game.
(Yes, I accept I just flipped on my two top scum reads, was wrong on Damdred and SL and have also been very questionable this game. But I know I'm town, so there).
On April 25 2016 07:53 Fidei86 wrote: I think I have three posts left, so I want to use one of them to say that there is no f'ing reason whatsoever to TR TT or HTS. I'm going to go Dani -- TT -- GB -- you. But honestly I think if it is one of them, they'll tap out long before we get there.
But it went from top town -> scum -> town again -> scum again -> 1st lynch option -> "HEY, PAYASO (HTS), Don't you clown me!" while she was scum -> wtf it is now.
Super flip floply.
-Sus. on TT
-Plays CS, then complains about having to skip practice. Not trying to be a dick here, but...procrastination isn't great skill to have. Trust me, I know (college)
Well I still procrastinate, but, I am trying to save you.
Please look at them before you commit to voting for me. I really think it could be TT - him having made "good posts" does not and cannot make up for his extremely anti-town play at EOD1.
I am the Jailkeeper. I saved Damdred N1 (I got roleblocked) and Tumble N2. I saved Damdred right at the end of N1 - I was on HTS before that, because I figured she's strong town and a natural N1), but at the end I thought Damdred was a) more towny, b) more universally read as townie and therefore c) most likely to be the shot.
I was fucking raging after Damdred flipped. I sent Artanis like three PMs yelling.
I did not want to claim because we desperately need a save to get another mislynch and avoid 3v1 LYLO.
The reason I've played like this is in large part because I thought that my killing DYH was SO TOWNIE that I might be the shot N3. And I really wanted to survive long enough to save TW. Obviously me drawing attention to myself worked too well.
I am claiming now to give town enough time to find a new lynch. I think it should be TT.
Can you please all now start thinking about the game rather than just waiving through this fucking mislynch on me.
Welp,
Guess I do not need to read meta, unless CC happens.
On April 28 2016 05:31 Koshi wrote: Ok Shape. Are you jailkeeper? You said something about being in jail.
Or are you a blue?
No, I was actually fucking arrested for public intoxication, hence why I wasn't here at all Day 2
On April 22 2016 07:03 sicklucker wrote: oh votings today I thought it was tormorow? why am I being lynched I gotta ask
I think at this point the onus is on you to tell us why we shouldn't lynch you.
As in, you really haven't done much at all this game.
Ticktock, if you are here, I really think you have to explain this post and your vote D1.
At this point, we were 24 minutes before lynch. At that stage, voting was highly contested between FF and SL. Three minutes later, Damdred switched his vote taking it to three on SL and three on FF. SL hammered at 23:16.
You were in the thread. You saw a highly contested lynch, and nobody else was going to move to TW. Yet you didn't move.
Felt like it was stupid for SL to go "why are you lynching me?" rather than doing something, so I was telling him he should probably do something.
Not that I expect you to believe me, but I was thinking about swapping to SL but when everyone started to shift to FF (who I didn't want to lynch) I decided to just stay put on Tumble.
I think this was the post I made when that was my thinking.
On April 22 2016 07:14 Tictock wrote: Is it bad that I'm tempted to just leave my vote on Tumble in case he's scum and I'm on track to having a perfect voting record this game?
On April 22 2016 07:35 sicklucker wrote: ballz wont be able to catch up till later tonight. go raptors!
Fairly dissapointed there was no follow through on this. Means SL basically just showed up as a wagon formed up on him, complained he didn't have time kus of another game, then fucked off as soon as the lynch was over.
I was going to call-out GB for saying Damdred was a hypocrit but he seems to have realized that was quite an exxageration.
Haven't really had a chance to relook at EoD yet, and there is a chance I wont be able to till after daypost. I bet there was at least one scum on FF, at most there was two, but more than likely scum were all spread out in the voting.
On April 22 2016 06:16 Damdred wrote: Idk I kinda just want to lynch sl
He thinks koshi is town and voted him anyway total throw away vote.
Hasn't really done anything.
His ls read is strange to a point so are a few others.
But I'm having a hard time finding someone I want to lynch in the actives
I feel like I'm having more of an issue finding people I solidly think are town this game.
Koshi feels like town Koshi, but he's kinda attacked half the game and his LS read was bull.
HtS and Fidei are probably my strongest townreads based on tone, activity, and drive to solve the game.
You (Damdred) strike me as town for starting off trying to generate discussion and trying to lead town now when votes are all over.
Shape feels a little better to me having reread the game. I thought the way he approached a few of his reads felt towny, though tbf I think I'm largely going on something I noticed about his read on me so I take it with a grain of salt.
GB and FF are floating in a "I think they are town... maybe" space for me.
With regards to my post above, I also refer to the above post, where TT basically town reads FF and scum reads SL. But he does not vote to save his town read over one of his scum reads. And he posted on at least two occasions (before and after) how bad the lynch was.
This is very suspicious to me. I shall continue reading your filter.
I think my response to your other post covers this one too.
Though saying I had a real town read on FF is overstating things, he was off my list of D1 lynches for sure though.
Actually thanks for quoting this one, means I had decent reads D1 with the 2 flipped scum in my lynch pool. + Show Spoiler +
For more WIFOM I am known to bus as scum.
Too bad I was wrong on Tumble and LS, and more than likely was wrong on Gum as well.
On April 28 2016 05:43 gumshoe wrote: Lynching hts before gb seems rash. The effort and problem solving seems clear in her play.
Lynching her feels like an unnecessary mErasure when we still have as many mislynches as we do and far more suspicious targets (myself included in that bunch) I don't know how gb came to be town read so hard by so many, but dyh was insistent on clearing him and fedie, with fedie effectively confirmed as of right now, are we to assume that dyh extended himself to protect 2 townies?
It could have been a way of buddying/disassociation. I think people on this site are inclined to not look as hard at people who are townreading them, but that's just my opinion. Personally I'm more inclined to scumread someone either softpushing someone or not following through on a read, as opposed to townreading or scumreading them. Like look at the non-reads/deferral of read he had on sicklucker.
That's what I'm talking about.
Sometimes scum do hard defend someone to make it look like they are invested in the game, but I think the manner in which it's done isn't alignment indicative.
Didn't you tell me to lose the paranoia of looking into town reads from peeps after rik in nut?
On April 28 2016 06:20 Koshi wrote: Shape. Why are you town this game? Can you tell me?
Because some dutch guy name artanis either use a program or a deck of cards to determine alignments, and I got the VT pulled once, thus explaining the reason, upon which I got a green pm in the inbox?
A course, I do not think this is what you meant.
Meh, as scum, my tone is this:
As town it is this:
Also, I prob. would of capsulize today based off the town reads I''ve gotten (which is kinda meh tbh IMO) to propel myself into a game winning situation.
On April 28 2016 06:07 Tictock wrote: Bah idk, on the one hand GB is a good lynch for suddenly going "Hey I think TT is scum, do you know why?" and I'd also be pretty happy to mess up his record as scum.
On the other hand I really can't say with and confidence that I believe Shape to be town.
...
So I guess I'll vote GB.
If you all lynch me we should still have plenty of time to work this out so no worries.
All for me, I'm out till well after deadline.
Rofl
You've called ME town the whole game and now that I called you Mafia you dropped your case on fidei and is gladly voting me
It is TT, guys.
I think this is pretty self explanatory GB why he did that.... Also, note that GB has posted, and thus no one has CCed
On April 28 2016 06:07 Tictock wrote: Bah idk, on the one hand GB is a good lynch for suddenly going "Hey I think TT is scum, do you know why?" and I'd also be pretty happy to mess up his record as scum.
On the other hand I really can't say with and confidence that I believe Shape to be town.
...
So I guess I'll vote GB.
If you all lynch me we should still have plenty of time to work this out so no worries.
All for me, I'm out till well after deadline.
Rofl
You've called ME town the whole game and now that I called you Mafia you dropped your case on fidei and is gladly voting me
It is TT, guys.
There was, I don't know, A BLUE CLAIM BY HIS TARGET.