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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:21 GMT
#2532
On April 18 2016 07:04 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2016 07:03 gumshoe wrote:
I think I know what happened here, scum chose not to roll block super as he announced he was shooting palmer, so that means super is probs town vig / : or the actual vig shot the same target (more likely supers vig, seriously)


o.0 um...if scum shot fazers scum is retarded

we should start looking for the stupidest players in the game immediately

LOL I FOUND THE ORIGIN OF THE "SCUMTEAM IS DUMB" GUMSHOE THEORY
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:31 GMT
#2534
On April 25 2016 20:23 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2016 20:08 Rels wrote:
On April 18 2016 03:28 Onegu wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/

Should've lynched TW..



You all jumped on him for this post.


On April 17 2016 07:07 Superbia wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/

Should've lynched TW..

Vig shoot this guy.


You're honestly the dumbest town player ever.



But this is a genuine scumslip. He tries to correct himself in the next post when he realized what he did but yeah scumslip.

This is never a scumslip. The only way it is a scumslip is if Onegu already knew Superbia was scum and used this to be right without finding arguments that makes Superbia actually scum. Like he's doing with Tumble right now BTW, scumreading Tumble because "SL & Rels are not together" instead of because "Tumble is scum for X Y and Z".



Guess you dont know how to find scumslips then because that was 100% a scumslip.

And I now believe you are Tumbles partner. Thanks for letting me figure out the game.

Also you saying if I am town its my fault. You can go to hell. If you are town dont try to put all the blame on one player but it sounds like you are just making a cop out.

Explain exactly how is this a scumslip ? The quote is "You're honestly the dumbest town player ever." If Superbia is scum it's maybe a "JAT town spew" slip. If he's town it means he hard townreads JAT like a lot of people this game and is angry at him. It's impossible to know.
And a copout from what exactly ? I've been calling for Tumble / Onegu for quite some time. Sry if it hurts but you're on a GB-level performance if you're town. You are barely playing, and most of times only when you need it to not be killed.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:33 GMT
#2535
Talking about GB's performance this particular game BTW, not as a whole.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:45 GMT
#2538
On April 25 2016 20:40 Onegu wrote:
He isnt making a read. He straight up says he is town. Then he realized it and corrected it in the very next post. The fact that he corrected himself is what really shows it was a slip.

And dont worry about playing.

Onegu out

Blame me all you want.

This is so retarded that you are still basing your read on Superbia off this when there were a lot of other reasons Superbia was scum. I mean, he was so obv scum that he died without even being CCd.
And fucking martyring won't save you.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:47 GMT
#2539
On April 19 2016 22:55 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2016 22:50 Rels wrote:
On April 19 2016 22:47 Onegu wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:07 Superbia wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/

Should've lynched TW..

Vig shoot this guy.


You're honestly the dumbest town player ever.



Here he scumslips that JAT is town.

Frankly, no. At this point he has already claimed so he knows he will die before the end of the game. Anything at all he said after his claim is WIFOM, and actually he probably tried to put his team in a better position for after he's dead, like Kurumi did last game.



Show nested quote +
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/

Should've lynched TW..



This is his post right before. Like and all he said was he was a PR before that but wouldnt say what it was then he made that post where he claims vt. So no it does matter...

If sub flips scum I will never vote JAT.

LOL JAT has been town spewed by both Onegu and Superbia. No way JAT is partner with the both of them.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:57 GMT
#2540
On April 20 2016 23:58 rsoultin wrote:
also, just for the record, in regards to tumble

i understand why some might think he could be town here, and i'm not saying that i don't have any doubts. i do. he busted his balls eod d1 and some of that looked townie. some of it looked more like he was spinning his wheels since he just asked a lot of questions and didn't really try to direct the lynch anywhere

basically what it comes down to me is the bare bones stuff that should never come from town
- lying about why he said something
- refusing to vote a scumread to save himself but then voting a nullread to save himself
- reads not being informed by new info

i'll sit there and go...that kinda sounded townie, like his exchange with gum, or well you know odd that he's trying that hard and martyring for super if they're scum together even if super is rb, and the doubts will creep in

but especially that second point is just impossible for me to get past. town doesn't do that. knowing super was rb...scum definitely could. town wouldn't. and i can't let that slide and then eat crow end-game just cause sometimes he "feels" townie

besides which...super's play looked like burn-out. he looked like an rsoul in the storm game, who still felt too guilty to not even try (doc claim, palmar push) but had trouble motivating himself anyway. rsoul played kamikaze rsoul cause of shape and kuri, and intended to dance on the lynch platform as long as possible. super hoped town would let him slide and tried to get a doc cc...if his scum team was composed of people completely not trying i don't know that he would have even done that much

so i'm not saying that this CONFIRMS tw scum, but i am saying super's play doesn't make tw town at all. it's hard playing consecutive anti-town roles even for those of us who push through anyway lol ><

(and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry! and if you just want to get me to stop harping on it >> that's an okay reason to get behind the lynch too lol)

On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy

^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me

tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me

Wow rsoul's N2 posts are way more detailed that I remembered. People going for the Onegu / Rels theory really needs to explain why I would kill rsoul when she hard townreads me and scumreads Tumble. Then shut the fuck up when they realize they can't explain it. Really, if you couldn't care to read these two walls, these two quotes are enough:

and no this is not me trying to beat a dead horse, this is me trying to convince anyone who isn't yet convinced that we absolutely need to lynch tw next phase. if i die and you don't and he turns out to be scum i will be very angry!


definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me

tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 11:59 GMT
#2541
Now that I think of it, every killed town had one hard scumread in mind.
Palmar => Superbia
rsoul => Tumble
gumshoe => Onegu
The NKs are solving the game for us. Yeah I know gumshoe scumread me quite a lot too, but Onegu was his main target.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 12:16 GMT
#2544
Gotta stop for now but I've seen enough to make up my mind unless something drastic happens.
JAT is town because he's super townie and he has been town spewed by both Superbia & Onegu, assuming Onegu flips scum.

SL is town because he attacked both Onegu and Superbia D1, so unless Onegu is not scum it's unlikely he's partners with us both. He voted Superbia D1 and AFKd his vote on him. He was AFK during portions of the game but when he played he had this style of posting quick successions of posts that he has a hard time replicating as scum. He's implicated to solving the game when he usually doesn't care enough to play a lot as scum.

Onegu is scum because he's super useless. He scumread Superbia and said he would sheep Palmar D1 while ultimately wasting his vote. He never commited to a read on rsoul who he usually is super wary off but wasted his time joking with her instead. He's hiding his reads behind "mechanical" stuff like "Superbia is scum because scumslip" or "Tumble is scum because Rels & SL are not partners" in order to not commit to actually scumreading his partner. Superbia townreads him when he had no reason to and when Onegu is an easy mislynch to push. He scumreads me but he has no reason to scumread me apart from "coping out", whatever that means.

Tumble is scum because when pressured to explain something, he invented a reason that was proven to be bullshit. He scumread Superbia for being AFK but attacked rsoul because she scumreads Superbia for the same reason. He scumread Superbia but didn't vote him EOD1 to save his life, he voted GB instead who he was null on. Superbia only fakeclaimed when it was clear GB was the second wagon, he didn't when Tumble was the second wagon. He was OK lynching rsoul D1 after Palmar and JAT both seem to be OK with it. He scumreads me but he doesn't have any reason to scumread me apart from "he only pushes my lynch when it's useful for scum to do it", when I have pushed him over Shape who was town so it doesn't make sense.

In addition, the three NKs points at this conclusion, it looks like they all chose a target each night: N1 Superbia, N2 Tumble, N3 Onegu.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 12:17 GMT
#2545
On April 25 2016 21:12 sicklucker wrote:
quote where you said to vig onegu

D1:
On April 17 2016 04:41 Rels wrote:
I'm OK to lynch:
Tumble for entering the thread late with a non believable excuse and being obsessed with rsoul, which would be the perfect lynch for mafia.
Superbia for being so his spree of posting reads with no explanation and not pushing anything. I think town!Superbia is more focused than that, like he was in his Palmar post actually, but the reasonning in his Palmar post is bad.
Maybe GB for faking activity when actually he is useless, needs to read his filter.
Maybe JAS for kinda the same thing, needs to read his filter.

These needs to be vigd:
Frizer
Onegu

I don't townread rsoul but I don't understand why she is scum.

N1:
On April 17 2016 23:31 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2016 21:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 17 2016 21:17 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 12:57 rsoultin wrote:
reminder to self: verify the sl post

palmar's EoD actually looks pretty decent to me after a review of his filter

On April 17 2016 07:14 Fazers wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/

Should've lynched TW..

Vig shoot this guy.

SECONDED.


^ this from the guy who doesn't know what to do yada yada is just meh. looks overdone to me tbh. fazers, we don't get hints. some sites might. we don't. if i'm around long enough + Show Spoiler +
and i urge those of you still in the game to do so if i'm not
i will push for your lynch before mylo/lylo if you continue to refuse to participate

it's not about being right. i've said this several times to you. it's about giving us something to read you by. i'd like your best guesses at alignments and why before the night is over

bueno...that's it for tonight i think. reads post later after some more digging

Yeah, the Fazer guy needs to put out content asap. He has his flip, now it is time to do work. Maybe he should die in the night otherwise. Onegu is also still a good shot though.
Depending on some things shape may be scum and
and I give super a chance of at least 50 % to be mafia aswell.


I pretty much agree with all of this.

Me too. Onegu or Fazerz needs to die. Superbia's alignment will be proven one way or another before the end of the game.
Don't have any time today so hopefully I'm still alive tomorrow

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 12:17 GMT
#2546
##Vote Onegu
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 12:24 GMT
#2547
SL if you're scum there, WP because it's unlikely I change my mind. Well, it would also be Onegu's fault for being terrible but I don't think you've ever reread a game as scum ? At least that's something I can't imagine you doing when you have a hard time caring as scum.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 14:06 GMT
#2550
On April 25 2016 23:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't really see how I don't vote Onegu here if he's just going to be like this.
I guess that makes this simple.

Yeah.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 14:27 GMT
#2555
On April 25 2016 23:21 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2016 21:24 Rels wrote:
SL if you're scum there, WP because it's unlikely I change my mind. Well, it would also be Onegu's fault for being terrible but I don't think you've ever reread a game as scum ? At least that's something I can't imagine you doing when you have a hard time caring as scum.

Shouldn't tumble be the saver bet from your perspective though? I mean it seems like he would has a way bigger chance to be with SL, no?
Are you that sure that both of your reads are right?

I'm pretty sure both of my reads are right. Tumble is the safer lynch but given other people's stances on this lynch I don't really care to fight for Tumble over Onegu when I'm pretty sure they are both scums.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 14:34 GMT
#2557
On April 25 2016 23:29 justanothertownie wrote:
Like, if Onegu is town we lose no matter what. Even if tumble is mafia and we lynch him today Onegu will never manage not to get mislynched the next day like this.

Exactly.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 14:45 GMT
#2563
On April 25 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2016 17:20 Rels wrote:
On April 25 2016 12:33 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 25 2016 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 25 2016 12:21 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 25 2016 12:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 25 2016 11:58 Tumblewood wrote:
I think a scumteam without Onegu can't exist because otherwise whoever is scum would just coast through this. It's not like Rels or JAT or SL would get punished for being AFK, because Onegu is even more AFK.
Still think SL is town, but the shouting match with Rels has me a little worried. I don't want to go into the final four with my townread on SL requiring me to overlook his flaws. In a TvS shouting match, town doesn't always come out of it looking as solid as before... agh still makes me uneasy though.


What are you even saying here?

I am saying two things here:
- A scum team doesn't exist without Onegu.
- I still think SL is town, but the recent shouting match between him and Rels makes me less comfortable about it.


So who's your second scum and why?

Rels, on the charges of
- having a strong scumread on me but only pushing me when it's most useful for scum (when my wagon is tied with Super's and when my wagon is the counter to Shape's)
- not being as townie as SL or JAT

This doesn't make any sense.
1 - How is it useful for scum to push your mislynch when your wagon is the counter to Shape ?
2 - So I pushed you D1 and D3. The only time I didn't push you was D2 when there was claim stuff to take care of. When should I have been pushing you as town ?
3 - The question was "Why is Rels scum", you can't just answer "for not being townie". Why am I not townie ?

1. Because my will at deadline basically said, you will lynch Shape then Onegu after I die. Shape would have almost certainly died the next day and mafia would win.
2. You didn't push me either until just before deadline on those two days.
3. Lrn 2 read, I said that SL and JAT are wayyy townier than you.

1. So once again, how is this scum indicative instead of townie pushing for the right lynch ? You say I am scum that pushed for your mislynch all game, if you got lynched D3 and you flipped town I would be in a bad spot.
2. This is a lie. I wasn't even around during EOD3, I was on a train with no mean to read the thread. My first big post on you D3 was before midday to prove GB was the second wagon, and the real one was 9 hours before deadline:
On April 22 2016 22:04 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
tumble shape for the concede

That is what it looks like. I finished rereading Tumble's filter and he's super likely scum:

- he made up a reason to explain a post he made. Townie always has a reason to post something. They can forget it, but what they wo'nt do is to make up an entirely fake one. Scum cannot disclose the real reasons they are making post ("I want ot be townread", "I want this scummy looking guy to be lynched") so they have to make them up though.

- he has exactly 0 in-depth read. He scumread rsoul D1 and D2 and came up with a lot of reasons to scumread her. I summed them up EOD1 but he continued D2: he attacked her on her read of GB for example, which is pretty ridiculous. His Shape read is super strange too, he went from "town" to "#1 scum" with almost no explanation. Could be because JAS is his partner and he wants to be right but no push him very hard.

- he didn't vote Superbia, the scum RB, to save his life, when he was scumreading him; but he voted GB, who was null "50/50" in his last EOD1.

- rsoul died and he was her #1 scumread

- his activity has died down, seems like scum giving up when he should be fighting as town especially since his #1 scumread is getting lynched right now

Going to Shape now, then Onegu.


3. Alright it is POE then. Can't arguee against that.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 14:51 GMT
#2569
On April 25 2016 23:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2016 23:27 Rels wrote:
On April 25 2016 23:21 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 25 2016 21:24 Rels wrote:
SL if you're scum there, WP because it's unlikely I change my mind. Well, it would also be Onegu's fault for being terrible but I don't think you've ever reread a game as scum ? At least that's something I can't imagine you doing when you have a hard time caring as scum.

Shouldn't tumble be the saver bet from your perspective though? I mean it seems like he would has a way bigger chance to be with SL, no?
Are you that sure that both of your reads are right?

I'm pretty sure both of my reads are right. Tumble is the safer lynch but given other people's stances on this lynch I don't really care to fight for Tumble over Onegu when I'm pretty sure they are both scums.

You really should care though. And in your whole analysis there is actually 0 evaluation of the votecounts. How uncharacteristic and sloppy for you.

You're right, I thought being absolved of responsability would be OK is we lost but I do want to win. Onegu is scummier and scummier the more he posts though. FTM I think they are both scums.
The vote thing is not true. Both Onegu and Tumble are scums partly because of their vote D1. D3 votes do not prove anything; from a D3 vote point of view, both of you and SL could be scum with both Onegu & Tumble, and Onegu bused Tumble if they are both scums.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 14:54 GMT
#2572
On April 25 2016 23:50 Onegu wrote:
Also we have had 3 lynches.

Every time we lynched town guess who the counter wagon was and yet we arent voting him today.

D1 Tumble was not a counter wagon.
D2 was an universal wagon on Superbia.
This argument is pretty bad.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 14:58 GMT
#2574
On April 25 2016 23:56 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2016 23:54 Rels wrote:
On April 25 2016 23:50 Onegu wrote:
Also we have had 3 lynches.

Every time we lynched town guess who the counter wagon was and yet we arent voting him today.

D1 Tumble was not a counter wagon.
D2 was an universal wagon on Superbia.
This argument is pretty bad.



Yes he was he had the second most votes on him with sub. They both got 3 then they both jumped on GB to ensure his lynch.

First, at the end of the day, Suerpbia was almost lynched, fakeclaimed, then GB got lynched. Maybe Tumble was second in vote at EOD but he was not in danger to being lynched at the very end.
Second, being a counterwagon doesn't make someone scum.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 15:02 GMT
#2576
On April 26 2016 00:00 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2016 23:52 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 25 2016 23:50 Onegu wrote:
Also we have had 3 lynches.

Every time we lynched town guess who the counter wagon was and yet we arent voting him today.

I don't think day1 really counts in that regard.



Sure it does. It was 3 votes on Sub and tumble. Then Sub and Tumble go on GB.

And this is important because tumble kinda blames jat for swiching and then switches to GB himself when he was scum reading Sub. He scum read SUB but didnt vote him, he votes for someone who he didnt have a read on.

On the other hand this is true. But it's been repeated so many times since D2 that everybody is aware of that.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
April 25 2016 15:18 GMT
#2587
Onegu why did you waste your vote D1 ?
Why did you say you would sheep Palmar and then did nothing ?
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