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On February 26 2016 06:55 sicklucker wrote: Kura why do you think out of breske and va that va is mafia? Va thinks im mafia. so if you think va is mafia that means you think im more likely town correct? Not necessarily.. @Everyone How often do scum bus their teammates? I feel as if I ever played as scum that I would bus like crazy but I'm not the average person. | ||
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On February 26 2016 06:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Final Vote Count Breshke (12): Rels, ritoky, Shapelog, VayneAuthority, sicklucker, bumatlarge, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, ObiWanShinobi, darthfoley, Vivax , Damdred VayneAuthority (1): Kuragari42 Fecalfeast (1): nnn_thekushmountains Not Voted (1): Breshke Currently, Breshke is slated to be lynched. You have to place your vote here. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain. Not even upset that I pushed an incorrect agenda. | ||
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On February 26 2016 06:56 darthfoley wrote: Just wanna say that the theory that i'm scum is: Breshke is read scum by people Everyone knows Ritoky will likely use 50/50 on the cell I decide to go super out of my way to reverse buss Breshke while my three other mafia teammates buss him I put a huge target on my back Breshke goes AFK Everyone scum reads me Breshke gets killed, town up 1:0 I get killed, town up 2:0 like this is really unlikely and super super dumb mafia play That's why I thought you/FF were mafia. | ||
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On February 26 2016 07:16 LightningStrike wrote: ROLF. Okay I seriously should check your scum game out tonight sometime. I learned that meta reading someone based on someone else is sometimes a good idea, lol. | ||
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On February 26 2016 07:31 Shapelog wrote: @Kura, Idk about the norm. In Newbie, I bussed Ikido and Tumble. I also scum read them hard as well. I bus heavily, You and me would make a good scum team. The shaperapist and his bitch lol. | ||
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On February 26 2016 07:42 Shapelog wrote: Most of it is what Kura would call Shaperape +1 | ||
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On February 26 2016 09:02 Shapelog wrote: I prob. need to get drunk just to understand wtf Kura is speaking here. Kura can you be a dear and talk me what you are trying to say. Its prob. a joke but i am tired. I just meant that the other player that you reminded me of should have inspired me to lynch you. No alcohol required! I am serious. We would make a great team. I could see it now. You, Me, Shitting up the thread so much that half the players leave the game. The only scum team on TL that reaches over 50 pages shared on D1 Hahah, I hope it happens one day! | ||
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On February 26 2016 09:17 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: use it for the last cell imo. You know how 3 player mylo gets. I agree, I don't want the fate of the game on our cell members alone. | ||
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On February 26 2016 09:45 darthfoley wrote: + Show Spoiler + That's fair. But no one has yet to "get" me on what my supposed endgame as mafia is from my D1 play. Kuragari and I with a bit of Vivax were the only ones who were skeptical of VA, and they are both in later cells. Why would mafia risk losing 2 cells in a row right at the beginning by trying to save a sunken ship? I might be less experienced than some players, but i'm not that dumb. This seems so obvious to me man. It's clear imo that mafia is in a less than ideal situation, and going down 0:2 is desperation mode. Breshke just takes one for the team and cell 2 becomes almost a must win for mafia. Who seems to be playing in must-win-this-cell mode? No worries, I think yo town. | ||
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On February 26 2016 18:49 Rels wrote: This is your explanation and it doesn't make a single sense: Why would you think DF is scum busing FF ? There is nothing that indicated that. That's just what it looked like to me. If other people don't see where I'm coming from, maybe I'm just getting something out of nothing. Anyways, it doesn't really matter since FF is confirmed and I am town leaning darth. Even "today", your post focused 50 lines on VA being potential scum and 2 on Breshke being useless. I believe it was 3 lines, lol. But is there really anything more for me to read into there? He had a 1 page filter with a bunch of nothing. I can't do tonal reads and don't know him well enough to do meta reads. That leaves me with content reads with 0 content to go off of. | ||
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On February 27 2016 04:23 Rels wrote: lol DF nice try ^^ now die https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNFGH_INquQ | ||
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Darth - Post 145: Starts off with his opinion on each cell, claims VA is an easy read. + Show Spoiler + I think A is a hard cell; Kuragari was low activity lynchbait in the only game I played with him; you're good and you've coached me so i'm wary of you for that reason, and I haven't played with SL before, but spec'd a game or two of his (no read on him). Cell B: I've played one game with scum!Shapelog and he was quite spammy; only game i've played with Damdred he was killed N1 because he was almost universally town read. Never played with OWS. Cell C: Played with Rels in Star Wars now that I think about it, I correctly town read him for most of the game until he was NK'd. LS replaced into that game and successfully made people correctly read him town pretty quickly, though people were reading AFK Onegu scum. In my one scum game I was trash, and I think I've been not lynch bait and halfway decent in my other games as town; i'm a pretty solid read for some people in this game. I don't agree with Damdred's analysis of cell C-- I don't think i'm lynch bait. Cell D: I've played a couple games with VA and I think I have a basic read on his play. He's one of the few people I feel "comfortable" reading (see Unoriginal + Star Wars games). Never played with FF or Breshke, so i'll keep an eye on them but meh for right now. I would rate this a harder cell. Cell E: Rather comfortable playing with Kush (3 games now I think, as scum team + both town). All I know about Vivax is that he got early scum read in PYP and from what you guys said, he's more afk as mafia(?). Don't know bum at all. I'm not really sure what strategy we use to determine cell order. I'm most wary of cells D and E in terms of people I don't know. Post 254: He doesn't want powers used on his cell. + Show Spoiler + I've read over the thread again and read through you and ritoky's filter. I have a pretty strong TR on you right now. I like that you got down to business pretty early and explained your reasoning behind your cell order. I don't actually agree with it though-- after I've thought about the game format, I think cell C should be 2nd or 3rd, for reasons ritoky has already mentioned. (my order is below) I also am currently town reading ritoky, but as I've mentioned i'm always kinda hesitant with him because he coached me very well in my last game as town and I feel like i'm an easy pocket for him. Part of the reason why I TR him is because I think his progression on me so far comes from town!ritoky-- the one longish post I made wasn't particularly great in any way. It actually makes me think he's more town for raising questions about my play. (Not trying to buddy or pocket me). Personally i'm fine with either of you being mayor so far. Will probably hold my vote for a bit, but I like ritoky's cell order better than yours currently... so I am leaning to vote him. Right now my cell order would be D/E C A B. I'm more comfortable with D going first because I think I have a decent grasp of Kush's play, and others have a good grasp of Vivax. In terms of powers, I would consider using one on group D but I don't think it's wise to use either on my cell. I think using the other one on cell A, or perhaps E is also good. Why do you want your cell 4th and cell A 5th? Post 255: Buddies Bresh for an easy imitation of town. + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2016 16:05 darthfoley wrote: I know Breshke hasn't posted much but I liked this post of his Why would mafia not want an AFK party near the end? Also, didn't particularly like Kush's response While that's true, you're kinda just kicking the can down the road if you want to keep AFK people in longer. Wouldn't town benefit longer from having many active players left in longer? Post 575 calls out FF townreaders. Buddies Breshke for (imo) NAI things, surprisingly weak read on VA. + Show Spoiler + On February 24 2016 10:39 darthfoley wrote: Meh I've gone through VA/FF/Breshke's filters and I don't really have strong vibes from any of them. I'm not sure why people are town reading FF. Most of his posts about other games or kinda useless. I found it kinda weird when he called Breshke out for talking actively about cell order pros/cons. Posts he was referencing: + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2016 07:25 Breshke wrote: Should all would be mayors post what their cell order would be since that is really the only thing that would differentiate them? Just at a quick glance ritoky like say without reading anyone's posts what would you make the order? On February 23 2016 07:35 Breshke wrote: Rit is the assumption right that you want to put the "strong" players in the final cells and the weaker players in the early cells? Or is cell 4 more important than cell 5 because cell 5 you have like all the information to go off? On February 23 2016 08:24 Breshke wrote: im kind of confused here though. If all the active people are put in the earlier phases won't that mean the later phases are just an afk party. I thought you would do it the other way around and put cells with the less active people earlier I don't think any of these posts are bad, and they give me a towny vibe from Breshke. You don't have to be running for mayor to care about cell order. This sounds like someone trying to work through the strategy of cell order from town perspective. VA I am slightly scum reading right now... I liked Kush's reasoning behind his cell order and where to put easy/hard cells more than VA's argument, but I am not sure if that's alignment indicative yet. Seems like a mafia thing to want: planting the hard cells early so they just win a quick 3-0 or 3-1. VA's only real contribution so far is that on the off chance we get to cell 5 and the game is going, town will have a better chance of winning. I think Kush's approach of win now rather than later is much more town oriented. Think we should think about 50/50 here if the play doesn't pick up Post 640: I believe this post has some good points. + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2016 01:52 darthfoley wrote: Can you please explain how he's been "kinda useless" when i've been super scum read by you as "useless"? His filter is absolute ass. Also, please explain how the hell you concluded that VA has been "aggressively" posting his thoughts and reads? You mean his one page filter, or his scummy ideas about cell order? Or maybe THESE "aggressive" reads l0l Good to know that this stupid tin foil post is not really important, thanks! He also says early Damdred is posting 100% town but then includes him in a potential scum mayor tinfoil with ritoky. He should only be implying that ritoky would be scum!mayor because Damdred is town in his eyes. Also, he didn't even vote for the mayor candidate that he said was 100% town. How the hell do you town read this? Wow, what aggressive reads: he's scum reading two people in the first two cells that everyone seems to be scum reading (Breshke, now me apparently). How original. It'd be great for mafia to go up 2-0  These are shitty reads from town rels imo Posts 643-693 feel townie to me (odd since darth usually reads as scum to me). Post 746: False. There were only 6/15 people on Breshke. + Show Spoiler + VA I've never said that i'm set in my scum read of you. But when 8/15 people have already voted for Breshke, and there are 5/15 mafia in the game, I don't like the optics. To switch gears a bit, your post implies that you can't be convinced that LS is mafia, why? Post 1029: Approves of using audience on his cell. + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2016 04:40 darthfoley wrote: Yea i'm frustrated. Because I spent half of my cycle wasting my breath defending someone who has turned out to be mega obvious mafia, while getting almost universally wrongly scum read for it. It's great if we successfully used our 50/50 and go up 1:0, but town would be in an amazing decision if we go up 2:0 after my cell and if I can't change people's minds, that won't happen. Can't remember who said it, but I endorse using the audience power for my group too unless there's some obvious reason i'm missing. Going up 2:0 should basically ensure a town win. Post 1106: True? Or serious wifom? + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2016 06:56 darthfoley wrote: Just wanna say that the theory that i'm scum is: Breshke is read scum by people Everyone knows Ritoky will likely use 50/50 on the cell I decide to go super out of my way to reverse buss Breshke while my three other mafia teammates buss him I put a huge target on my back Breshke goes AFK Everyone scum reads me Breshke gets killed, town up 1:0 I get killed, town up 2:0 like this is really unlikely and super super dumb mafia play | ||
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Darth was the only one I wrote up an assessment of, the others are just filter dives. They should be up tomorrow we'll before the lynch with an update on DF. | ||
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On February 27 2016 11:28 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: so kura can i get a tldr conclusion? Darth has done nothing that screams major "SCUM" at me and some of his posts seem like they are coming from a town perspective. Unfortunately, I am pretty bad at reading him (see last game where I got scum read for my read). All in all, I would put him as a town lean for me. Alas, from what I've got down, neither Rels or LS has blown me away as scum or town either so it is hard for me to decide where to place my vote. Hopefully I will get a better picture by the lynch date tomorrow. PS: I didn't read like the last 4 pages so if something big happened that I didn't mention, I will add it tomorrow. | ||
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Darth - Post 145: Starts off with his opinion on each cell, claims VA is an easy read. + Show Spoiler + I think A is a hard cell; Kuragari was low activity lynchbait in the only game I played with him; you're good and you've coached me so i'm wary of you for that reason, and I haven't played with SL before, but spec'd a game or two of his (no read on him). Cell B: I've played one game with scum!Shapelog and he was quite spammy; only game i've played with Damdred he was killed N1 because he was almost universally town read. Never played with OWS. Cell C: Played with Rels in Star Wars now that I think about it, I correctly town read him for most of the game until he was NK'd. LS replaced into that game and successfully made people correctly read him town pretty quickly, though people were reading AFK Onegu scum. In my one scum game I was trash, and I think I've been not lynch bait and halfway decent in my other games as town; i'm a pretty solid read for some people in this game. I don't agree with Damdred's analysis of cell C-- I don't think i'm lynch bait. Cell D: I've played a couple games with VA and I think I have a basic read on his play. He's one of the few people I feel "comfortable" reading (see Unoriginal + Star Wars games). Never played with FF or Breshke, so i'll keep an eye on them but meh for right now. I would rate this a harder cell. Cell E: Rather comfortable playing with Kush (3 games now I think, as scum team + both town). All I know about Vivax is that he got early scum read in PYP and from what you guys said, he's more afk as mafia(?). Don't know bum at all. I'm not really sure what strategy we use to determine cell order. I'm most wary of cells D and E in terms of people I don't know. Post 254: He doesn't want powers used on his cell. + Show Spoiler + I've read over the thread again and read through you and ritoky's filter. I have a pretty strong TR on you right now. I like that you got down to business pretty early and explained your reasoning behind your cell order. I don't actually agree with it though-- after I've thought about the game format, I think cell C should be 2nd or 3rd, for reasons ritoky has already mentioned. (my order is below) I also am currently town reading ritoky, but as I've mentioned i'm always kinda hesitant with him because he coached me very well in my last game as town and I feel like i'm an easy pocket for him. Part of the reason why I TR him is because I think his progression on me so far comes from town!ritoky-- the one longish post I made wasn't particularly great in any way. It actually makes me think he's more town for raising questions about my play. (Not trying to buddy or pocket me). Personally i'm fine with either of you being mayor so far. Will probably hold my vote for a bit, but I like ritoky's cell order better than yours currently... so I am leaning to vote him. Right now my cell order would be D/E C A B. I'm more comfortable with D going first because I think I have a decent grasp of Kush's play, and others have a good grasp of Vivax. In terms of powers, I would consider using one on group D but I don't think it's wise to use either on my cell. I think using the other one on cell A, or perhaps E is also good. Why do you want your cell 4th and cell A 5th? Post 255: Buddies Bresh for an easy imitation of town. + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2016 16:05 darthfoley wrote: I know Breshke hasn't posted much but I liked this post of his Why would mafia not want an AFK party near the end? Also, didn't particularly like Kush's response While that's true, you're kinda just kicking the can down the road if you want to keep AFK people in longer. Wouldn't town benefit longer from having many active players left in longer? Post 575 calls out FF townreaders. Buddies Breshke for (imo) NAI things, surprisingly weak read on VA. + Show Spoiler + On February 24 2016 10:39 darthfoley wrote: Meh I've gone through VA/FF/Breshke's filters and I don't really have strong vibes from any of them. I'm not sure why people are town reading FF. Most of his posts about other games or kinda useless. I found it kinda weird when he called Breshke out for talking actively about cell order pros/cons. Posts he was referencing: + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2016 07:25 Breshke wrote: Should all would be mayors post what their cell order would be since that is really the only thing that would differentiate them? Just at a quick glance ritoky like say without reading anyone's posts what would you make the order? On February 23 2016 07:35 Breshke wrote: Rit is the assumption right that you want to put the "strong" players in the final cells and the weaker players in the early cells? Or is cell 4 more important than cell 5 because cell 5 you have like all the information to go off? On February 23 2016 08:24 Breshke wrote: im kind of confused here though. If all the active people are put in the earlier phases won't that mean the later phases are just an afk party. I thought you would do it the other way around and put cells with the less active people earlier I don't think any of these posts are bad, and they give me a towny vibe from Breshke. You don't have to be running for mayor to care about cell order. This sounds like someone trying to work through the strategy of cell order from town perspective. VA I am slightly scum reading right now... I liked Kush's reasoning behind his cell order and where to put easy/hard cells more than VA's argument, but I am not sure if that's alignment indicative yet. Seems like a mafia thing to want: planting the hard cells early so they just win a quick 3-0 or 3-1. VA's only real contribution so far is that on the off chance we get to cell 5 and the game is going, town will have a better chance of winning. I think Kush's approach of win now rather than later is much more town oriented. Think we should think about 50/50 here if the play doesn't pick up Post 640: I believe this post has some good points. + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2016 01:52 darthfoley wrote: Can you please explain how he's been "kinda useless" when i've been super scum read by you as "useless"? His filter is absolute ass. Also, please explain how the hell you concluded that VA has been "aggressively" posting his thoughts and reads? You mean his one page filter, or his scummy ideas about cell order? Or maybe THESE "aggressive" reads l0l Good to know that this stupid tin foil post is not really important, thanks! He also says early Damdred is posting 100% town but then includes him in a potential scum mayor tinfoil with ritoky. He should only be implying that ritoky would be scum!mayor because Damdred is town in his eyes. Also, he didn't even vote for the mayor candidate that he said was 100% town. How the hell do you town read this? Wow, what aggressive reads: he's scum reading two people in the first two cells that everyone seems to be scum reading (Breshke, now me apparently). How original. It'd be great for mafia to go up 2-0 These are shitty reads from town rels imo Posts 643-693 feel townie to me (odd since darth usually reads as scum to me). Post 746: False. There were only 6/15 people on Breshke. + Show Spoiler + VA I've never said that i'm set in my scum read of you. But when 8/15 people have already voted for Breshke, and there are 5/15 mafia in the game, I don't like the optics. To switch gears a bit, your post implies that you can't be convinced that LS is mafia, why? Post 1029: Approves of using audience on his cell. + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2016 04:40 darthfoley wrote: Yea i'm frustrated. Because I spent half of my cycle wasting my breath defending someone who has turned out to be mega obvious mafia, while getting almost universally wrongly scum read for it. It's great if we successfully used our 50/50 and go up 1:0, but town would be in an amazing decision if we go up 2:0 after my cell and if I can't change people's minds, that won't happen. Can't remember who said it, but I endorse using the audience power for my group too unless there's some obvious reason i'm missing. Going up 2:0 should basically ensure a town win. Post 1106: True? Or serious wifom? + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2016 06:56 darthfoley wrote: Just wanna say that the theory that i'm scum is: Breshke is read scum by people Everyone knows Ritoky will likely use 50/50 on the cell I decide to go super out of my way to reverse buss Breshke while my three other mafia teammates buss him I put a huge target on my back Breshke goes AFK Everyone scum reads me Breshke gets killed, town up 1:0 I get killed, town up 2:0 like this is really unlikely and super super dumb mafia play Post 1304: His defense against against Rels isn’t bad. Points 1-5 are a lot of what I was thinking. He scum reads Rels. + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2016 03:29 darthfoley wrote: Defense against this case which has some serious flaws in it: 1. My read on Breshke was not fabricated. I thought that his point regarding leaving active players in the game longer was town indicative, because that's the most beneficial strategy to town imo. We got an AFK cell out of the way early (to the detriment of Breshke) and we got a point out of it. Idk how that post is scum indicative. Also you calling me confirmed scum because I accidentally cited the mayor VC instead of the D1 VC right below is really dumb. "It's way less extreme than it's made out to be" 6/14 and 8/14 is not an "extreme difference." If I had said 11/14 or something, you'd have a point. 2. You are acting like YOU making a shitty town read on VA and VA being town are mutually exclusive. News flash, scum often town read people for bad or illogical reasoning. My point was this: I think it could've been argued that VA was being more towny than Breshke via meta or something, but I strongly disagreed with your original reason to town read VA: "aggressivly posting his thoughts and scumreads." There was nothing aggressive about his play. I've seen aggressive VA town play against ME, which you can read here and there was nothing in his filter at the time that warranted being called aggressive, him posting a few names with no explanation is not aggressive. He never provided any explanation on any of the things you called "aggressive". Again, this strikes me as a potential fabricated reason to claim a TR on someone while bussing your afk scummate. The reason why I said you could be town is that I have seen multiple times where two towns have tunneled each other because they just simply interpret the same information completely differently, and draw the conclusion that the other MUST be mafia because no one would ever disagree with their godlike reads. 3. Ritoky said VA was doing his "town meta thing" and being a dick. Those are not the same attributes as someone playing aggressively. I'm more likely to believe Ritoky because of the percentages, but his read makes a lot more sense to me than you claiming VA was going after people and being aggressive when he wasn't. 4. I'm not spending time meta'ing myself to "prove" i'm towny. I also find it so fucking annoying that meta'ing myself is considered scummy when people have literally crossed LS, you, or both off the list almost solely imo on meta reads. Like how the fuck can someone not be able to fake rage in all caps. Serrrrrioously? I'm frustrated because one of you is using your meta to your advantage cleverly and i'm getting shit for trying to point out the discrepancies in my town vs. scum play. Also @Kush you say I am not good mafia therefore it's likely that I tried to yolo save Breshke basically by myself. Yet bad mafia are bad because they can't change their meta; which is it? Are you suggesting that I did a complete 180 from my Unoriginal game where I flip flopped on everything and didn't engage with my teammates at all, and now i'm not only defending my scummate, i'm putting myself AND MY TEAM in a terrible situation of going down 0:2 because I was scumread-- oh, and I didn't have anyone in QT telling me not to? If you actually think that, I think I deserve an apology when I flip town. and Rels, who Okay, you contend that you are a strong scum, so you could've defended Breshke and gotten VA lynched. Yet you also seem to suggest that I am NOT strong scum, so I wasn't going to get VA lynched. I guess I just forgot how shitty my scum play was last game, and thought I could Rambo my way through a 50/50 teammate save. You say you probably would've tried; I contend that you wouldn't have, because you're smart scum. - It was pretty clear to most people there was a high chance 50/50 is gonna be used on cell 1 - Last thing you want as mafia cell 2, is to look bad on a cell that's 50/50. Let me explain: even if you win the cell, you will most likely get scum read for it and lose the second cell, so at best you're tied 1:1; at worst, you defend Breshke hardcore, he flips scum, then you die and you're down 0:2. You're smart and realize this, and you can-- on the surface-- incriminate me for my play, so you just decide to do that. - In short, mafia would never choose a 50/50 cell 1 to be their Waterloo when they're in cell 2 and their cell 1 mate has been AFK forever; the chances of going down 0:2 are just too damn high, and Rels is the type of person to be aware of this. Mafia almost certainly loses if they go down 0:2 early. 5. You claim I didn't commit to a read on Breshke's cell before the 50/50 in fear, but I LITERALLY DID. It was basically Breshke town lean, FF null, VA scum lean. That isn't having a null read on everyone and winging it. You even quoted it. Now it's fine to disagree with my reads, but to claim I didn't have reads is misrepresenting me once again 6. My line of questioning against LS regarding his similar reads with me but also scum reading me is probably one of the most towny things I've done all game. To think that you're trying to spin it into some bullshit scum read about being unsure is just that: bullshit. News flash to you, I know one of you two are mafia, but at that time I was unsure. Naturally i'm gonna point out scummy looking things from the two of you. Another bad, bad evidence piece from someone who is normally good at cases... when you're town. 7. You contend that me defending Breshke isn't town indicative; well I suggest that your bus of Breshke is not town indicative either, specifically because of the 50/50 mechanic. You are a much better mafia to be town read than Breshke. You can affect the game more being in for two days, and being town read for two whole cells. Best part is, when you lynch me, town isn't told whether you or LS is mafia, so cell 2 is much more important than cell 1 for a mafia down 0:1, in that sense. One last thing: I think Rels not wanting to use audience is scum indicative. While it would be a bummer to use both powers on two cells, the potential to go up 2:0 as town is CERTAINLY worth it. We should also keep in mind that the audience will probably not be as engaged later in the game per what ritoky said, and right now there is at most like 1/howevermany mafia influence. Compared to 50/50, audience gets exponentially less reliable as the game goes on, so Rels wanting to "save" it for later when more mafia are in the obs qt, and fewer obs people are paying attention, is ideal from mafia pov. Let's remember Few things about LS: read through his filter, and besides the one post I didn't like, there wasn't much from scum pov imo. I also think he was town read as quickly as Star Wars by people who know him better than I do, so I think he's more likely to be town than Rels. TL;DR: I'm not mafia. Who's mafia in my cell? Rels. Way too much cherry picking, misrepresenting and illogical reads from a smart town perspective imo. Post 1425: For those who scum read for liking ritoky’s post over Rels’. + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2016 13:06 darthfoley wrote: How are these similar reads? Unless I misunderstood Rels and he meant aggressive = dickish/obstinate when I thought he meant aggessively scumhunting. If that's the case then I've been completely misunderstanding Rels's initial read on VA Rels -Post 601: Cell D reads seem forced, the rest are pretty meh. I thought mine was the best but people had already said equivalent. + Show Spoiler + My reads: VA => aggressivly posting his thoughts and scumreads FF => kinda useless, don't know. Hope he's chosen by 50/50 if he's town. Breshke => his posts N0 are scum indicative. Questions that are useless or do not lead anywhere, only for the 3 hours that followed the game start. After that, only posted after his cell was chosen as the first to go. Will vote Breshke for now. DF => useless LS => no idea one way or another, it will become clear when he is up for lynch. Would like Damdred's read on him. Vivax =>has one weird post, but reading his filter has good posts on Shape + this post, where he says the opposite of waht he means (starts with OWS could be scum for that read progression, ends with I can undersatnd his read progression), which is town indicative kush => he cares => town. Only re evaluate if he tryharded and gives up from now on. bum => useless. OWS => sexy and aggressive like in PYP. Damdred => rsoultin "Damdred emo => Damdred town" + implication to solve the game. Shape => This post was super bad. Like, every explanation for his reads are either bad or obvious; AND THERE IS NO TOWNREAD. Every "townfeel" is balanced by something. In short, Shape is giving himself outs to scumread people. His unwilligness to townread Damdred is scummy. He also posted something about "Damdred wanting to waste the 50/50 on our group" several times, which is nonsense but in line with scum not wanting to deal with 50/50 in his group. ritoky => lots of question like in his last town game + using his meta to read people he can meta (me, DF, LS ...); as scum in outlaw he didn't do that. SL => bad feeling about him. Super, super different from his last town game where he was obvious town very early on. SL is hard to read though sometimes. kura => instant vote on ritoky, with shitty explanation. He didn't say "I don't care if mayor is scum" as his first explanation (which would be believable), he said "ritoky's odds of being scum are the same as everyone else", which implies that he cares that mayor is not scum; but he voted ritoky when he did not have a read on neither ritoky nor SL. Post 615: Is a risky post if breshke is town and Rels is scum (I started typing this before the lynch). After the flip, it seems like this could come from any alignment. + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2016 00:08 Rels wrote: Actually I don't understand this post at all. About FF, since "Most of his posts about other games or kinda useless" and his only relevant post (about Breshke) are bad, FF HAS to be scum right ? Yet he seems super unsure about that fact. I don't undersatnd the VA scumread. If the scumread was only: then OK, I would get it. But that shit is overexplained with stuff that is apparently "not alignment indicative yet". To me, it looks like DF is scum with Breshke, got shit on both FF and VA, and is waiting to see on which the 50/50 is going to fall. Entire second page uses what someone termed “the newbie button”. Post 626/637: He is ignoring other possibilities. I’d think this was scum indicative but other people seem to think that my evaluation was garbage as well. Post 677: he is happy (“Nice (=”) FF was confirmed despite the fact that he was being widely town read anyways. He did say that he hoped FF was confirmed so probably nothing looking back at it. Post 683: Called out a bad post by shape.+ Show Spoiler + On February 25 2016 03:40 Rels wrote: What do you mean with that "RL stuff" thing ? VA posted more frequently than Breshke so I don't understand. Post 869: Makes a decent point about that switch from Rels to LS.+ Show Spoiler + Furthermore when pressured about Vivax on that post here is his reaction: On February 25 2016 05:34 darthfoley wrote: Because if Rels is town and we just disagree on what "aggressive" play is, and LS is mafia, it makes more sense. My cell has a third person people seem to be forgetting He dodges the question and switches to LS. This post is right on the mark: On February 25 2016 05:36 Vivax wrote: I try to follow your logic but it's a dead end. Let me recap: Rels is mafia cause of his read on VA? -> I ask why If Rels is town and LS is mafia it makes more sense. Can you please explain it like im 5 year old cause either you have trouble articulating your thoughts or this is bollocks Post 931: I don't see how he doesn't see.+ Show Spoiler + On February 25 2016 23:57 Rels wrote: VA was "least likely" scum in that group in your mind, so it doesn't make sense so you voted him over Breshke just because 6 people agreed with you and voted for Breshke. Posts 1236-1243: LS read, I am wary of him being so sure on TR over something that could be easily faked imo. I don't care why he thinks he looks town. Reads on DF were pretty well thought out and have some good points (#6 in particular).+ Show Spoiler + Way too much to C&P, just go read them. Throws dirt on OWS most of the game. LightningStrike - Post 87/119: Shows problem solving and he keeps his word.+ Show Spoiler + On February 23 2016 07:14 LightningStrike wrote: Ugh I hate this post. I will explain later when I get home. I am home but only for a few minutes(my phone is dead that why I stopped posting when I did) and I will explain why I dislike Breshke's post. The first part about not wanting to be the mayor is NAI but his last part about not wanting to be in the final cell seems pretty scummy at least in my eyes. Generally speaking I think it's best to have our strongest players in Cell 3/4 because if we manged to get 2 scums lynched by that point then we should be able to win easily(at least that what I thinking from reading some parts of the old cell games). Posts 530/562: Same.+ Show Spoiler + Hmm Breshke and VA voted for off wagons. Very odd. Will check out their reasons for their votes when I get home. So I did check both of their filters and Breshke just never voted for some reason. VA on the other hand didn't say anything about why he was voting kush unless I didn't catch up my quick scim through of his filter. Post 800-808: These “emotion” posts seem like they could be easily faked.+ Show Spoiler + Post 800: WHAT ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? I HAD POSTED EVERYTIME I WAS ACTUALLY AROUND WHEN I NOT PLAYING GAMES OR IN CLASS -.- THIS IS UTTER BULLSHIT YOU ARE DEAD WRONG BUT YOUR JUST DUMB TOWN.............. Post 930: Claims that FF can normally read him but was wrong this game.+ Show Spoiler + I got mad at FF because he normally can read me but he dead wrong on my alignment this game like I don't know what he was smoking but your probably gave some good kush. Post 1031: He claims that he will read Shapes list but never comments/indicates that he does.+ Show Spoiler + On February 26 2016 04:40 LightningStrike wrote: Okay. I do plan to give a read list myself once I get home . Post 1055: Very generic and meh reads. Also, towm.+ Show Spoiler + Warning Wall of Text: Okay here are my reads now: Cell A: Ritoky-Town: I liked his posts for the most part and he actually tried to stir discussion up. Sicklucker-Null: I lost my ability to read him after Linux kur-Either Newbie Town or Scum: I like some of his posts but I also don't like some of them. I will need to prod him and sicklucker to see who the scum are in this Cell. Cell B: OWS-Town: It feels like town OWS here and I like some of his posts. Damdred-Town: Emotional Damdred is Town Damdred plus he tried to stir up discussion too. Shape-PoE Scum: Unfortunately you are my scum by PoE in that cell I know you just played a scum game recently(Will check it) but I just think OWS and Damdred are townier than you <3 though Cell C: Me-Towm: I know my alignment obviously lol. Rels-Town: Rels as scum was more into buddying people and plus angry Rels is town Rels too. I also liked most of his posts so far. Darth-Scum: PoE Scum probably a newbie scum. His content was kinda meh in my opinion. Cell D: FF-Town: Confirmed via 50-50 much more carefree than the last few games I had played with him. VA-Null Townlean: I honestly dislike his filter but it not as bad as Breshke in my mind. If I wrong on anyone in this cell it's VA I don't know how to read properly. Breshke-Scum: Never tried to defend himself after the 50-50 happened and never explained why VA was the scum. Cell E: kush-town: Tryhard kush is town kush plus his probing seems townie. Vivax-Town: Seems to be a little bit more tryhard plus he already had tried to do a tinfoil which he normally does as town.(Him and Shape should be best friends lol) Bum-scum: PoE Scum He misrepresented me hard about FF rage quitting when it was Sicklucker who told FF to stop posting. Plus his content been meh for a Vet player. Post 1138: Full faith in his Rels town read.+ Show Spoiler + Like if I wrong on Rels I will quit TL Mafia that how confident I am in my Rels read right now. Post 1223: Weak reads for having the time to browse the Shaperapist’s masterpiece...+ Show Spoiler + Okay so I am going to check Shape's filter from his only scum game and after that I going to bed and show you my results from it tomorrow morning! I would go through the rest of LS's filter but I am leaving for 5 hrs and won't be on. To sum it up, darth has done some scummy stuff like defending breshke so early on for NAI reasons, but he also has done quite a but that comes across as town to me. Rels, other than his weak early reads and devotion to an odd LS town read hasn't done anything too scummy or too towny. LS has done the most scum-indicative things in my eyes so I have placed my vote on him. I will be back in 4-5 hours. | ||
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