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In addition, you have just enough magic left to Quick Spin. Once per game, at night, you may deal 0.5 KP to all players who action on you that night. You may use this ability the same night you play a song. Does this serve any purpose?  | ||
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On January 19 2016 06:27 VisceraEyes wrote: I WAS PERSONALLY INVITED TO THIS GAME THIS IS PROPOSTEROUS On September 03 2013 08:01 kitaman27 wrote: ![[image loading]](http://crooksandliars.com/files/vfs/2012/10/in-memoriam.jpg) I make this post in honor of VisceraEyes. VE is no stranger to death. In fact, he has a history of dieing five, ten, or even fifteen times in a single LoL game. But even so, he has always given his life for a better purpose. Sure, that purpose is usually to feed the enemy team, but isn't solving world hunger the most noble of causes? As teamliquid mafia's most experienced player, it is clear a little bit of each of us lives on through his play. VisceraEyes has managed to adopt prpl's ability to be mislynched, RoL's fits of rage, Coag's all cap tendencies, chenzinu's coherency, and BC's general ineptitude all into a single scum hunting machine. He even may have inherited a bit of Kita's good looks. All joking aside, VE left us far too early this game. As we gather in this time of mourning, I shall speak for him, for he cannot. | ||
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I'm going with [4]/[1]. And for the record, I'm not above drafting a vig role and revenge shooting someone if they decide to double up on my number! | ||
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Here is what I'm thinking for town's priority on the roles. The fact that the mafia kp has to be carried out and can be roleblocked or tracked is key. Things like jailer are especially powerful here and there are two of them! With mafia kp only at 2 after n1, the amount of rbing and protective roles can hopefully shut them down. In the past games, town always manages to shoot themselves in the foot by overlapping on their picks way too much while leaving perfectly valid roles unpicked so hopefully we can avoid that. I know everyone wants to be the sexy vig, but don't underestimate the usefulness of a protective or investigative role. The vig's just tend to end the game on day three or something, which is to our detriment in all blue setup. I think the Link mass roleblock should definitely be used at night 2. It essentially is guaranteed to stop both mafia kp and we get a free lynch from it which is really useful. I also think we should come up with a list that we should policy lynch if any player is found to have selected it. These roles are essentially only useful in scum hands. In past games, you could always do something like a denial pick or honest check by selecting a scum role in the draft to see if someone above you has picked it, but there are enough role cops that I think we can just get away with policy lynching anyone who is found with one of these. I also think we should think about a mass claim earlier than later this game, but we can talk about that once it becomes relavent. High priority: Link - several very nice 1-shots plus a guaranteed double block of mafia kp Jailkeeper - rb mafia kp, plus protect Compulsive Gambler - day vig plus detective check Holmes - Detective Moriarty - Role cop, vet, holmes interaction Captain Malcolm - Very useful to protect any town plan or leaders in general Dr. House - Track plus protect. so good Knight Artorias - Busdriver plus day vig, strong enough that I think it may be worth picking isn't of denying Ayla - Another jailer CPR Doc - super powerful The Arrow - day vig with infomation upside Medium Priority: Dr. Sy N. Tist - parity cop and protect Doctor - Always a great pick for lower tier Time Travelling Vig - delayed vig that is better in hands of town Yu Narukami - decent 1 shot abilities, might upgrade to high if I can think of a good way to abuse the Death card Dreamflower - You're likely going to kill yourself within the first few days so I think the other vigs are probably a bit better Ezio - 1 shot alignment check Tommy the Fireman - tracker and vet is nice, but relies on target living and has a risky side effect kitaman27 - :D Nice to verify a role claim or pick something up that slipped through Low Priority: Puppeteer - No offense, but your analysis skills aren't so godly that you need to hide behind a smurf City Councilman - Mayor is typically anti-town. Bodyguard isn't that great compared to other protective roles Watson - Sanity is nice to have, but meh Speaker - Not strong enough to justify Dimensional Lemming - Not as useless as some of the others, but lower on the list Copycat - depends a bunch on the first lynch Alchemist - can do better Flowey - Mafia can hide thier kp this way, might be worth bumping to lowest tier since it isn't all that great to begin with Policy Lynch: Hero - If you're getting lynched, the self-pardon isn't going to do anything positive for the game most likely PSY - Messes with checks. Maybe there is a good use for Hey, Sexy Lady that I'm not thinking off. Still say we ban this one. Janitor - heh GreYMisT - eww ???: Nigella Lawson - Too lazy to look up those abilities at the moment Werner Von Braun - Need super to translate :D | ||
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On January 19 2016 09:48 Keirathi wrote: Kita: I had Watson as one of the more powerful roles. At least medium tier? Doc with the upside of getting all the cop checks when moriarty or holmes dies assuming they breadcrumbed. Ah yeah I missed the doc part. On January 19 2016 09:45 Tictock wrote: What will I be spending my mafia points on? Kus I kinda don't like this post... Sadly nothing, but you're welcome to elaborate. | ||
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On January 19 2016 09:43 Tictock wrote: Thinking Koshi and Superbia town. Kinda based on meta as well as their mindset. I could see mafia claiming to go for dreamflower though, it's an obviusly pro-town role and might give them some easy cred. For whatever reason I believe Super is seriously going for it though, which is a risky move for mafia. dreamflower is a compulsive vig who has to shoot mafia. I find it very unlikely to be picked by mafia for "town cred". | ||
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On January 19 2016 09:54 Koshi wrote: Maybe it is better to distribute roles based on picks tbh. Dreamflower should never be picked as town. It is not good enough imo and mafia will NEVER pick it. If somebody picks it he is auto town It's a decent strategy. Guaranteeing that the powerful town roles are selected and ensuring there isn't overlap is probably enough to just win the game outright to make up for the trade off of giving the mafia knowledge. Plus it makes each slot responsible for the actions they take. Toughest part is getting everyone to agree. | ||
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I actually think the people that go for the top pick or two are usually town here. There are two mafia factions that know those players have the most overpowered roles and are going to be priority number one. Obviously their life expectancy is going to be rather low and their actions are going to be the most scrutinized, which you don't want. There are enough crazy powerful roles that mafia can't deny something like the inventor with the first pick as with other pyp games so they're probably just going to deal with it. | ||
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On January 19 2016 23:36 disformation wrote: Like pick order A B C D E If D was a scum player he could pick the role E was going to take. This would force E into Mysterious Challenger and basically denies town two good roles (cause 1 is in the hands of player D). This has the drawback for scum that player E will be very mad and 100% will try to find the scum in A B C D. Which means this also only works if D and E would have picked very similar roles, so D doesn't get outed after N1. This is really risky for mafia though. They essentially flag themselves as guilty if they are ever discovered with the role that they stole and player E has information about A B C or D that hurts them late game by process of elimination. Plus mysterious challenger isn't vanilla like other pyp games so it's not like they even successfully denied something all the way. | ||
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On January 20 2016 03:15 Palmar wrote: Vivax is mafia. Not simply because he refuses to cooperate but because he refuses to cooperate AND that is everything he brings to the table. Vivax was the first person that I picked out as mafia too. Shows up to complain about something, but doesn't do anything about it. | ||
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On January 20 2016 02:47 Damdred wrote: Its half and half for SL dumbtells are a thing though. Kei Rels Suoer Geript Koshi SL tt to a lesser extent are my town pool currently the rest haven't caused me to remember them I'd say super, kei, rels, koshi, damdred would be most likely to be good guys. SL I could see as town, but I'm less confident. I'd add onegu too actually. TT null geript I'm less willing to trust for simply giving out two easy townreads and a comment on onegu in passing. Could you elaborate on that one? | ||
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On January 19 2016 19:51 Palmar wrote: tl;dr I want a friend, who wants to be my friend? (a friend is required to be available for the next few hours). What was the point here, considering 7 hours passed and nothing came of it? | ||
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On January 20 2016 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote: dang, kitaman is scum which is a shame really nuh uhh! | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:36 Palmar wrote: Also @everyone does anyone particularly feel like being a "check"? IE: a check is a person who picks a random role from a list assigned to people above him OR we assign the check to pick a random mafia favored role to make sure someone else doesn't have it. On January 20 2016 09:37 Palmar wrote: It's in town's best favor to have as many roles we control in the game as possible The second statement is obviously true, so why would we waste a decent role to check that a garbage role wasn't chosen? Having a town janitor that verifies that the mafia didn't grab janitor is far less useful than another town doc or something. | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:53 Palmar wrote: the latter is more for people very low on the list. Low row can still pick up a bunch of decent roles. Plus just draft the kitaman27 role if you need a check. It tells you who took it. :/ | ||
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On January 19 2016 15:49 sicklucker wrote: fyi ill record the numbers of who said they would pick what for future references. I wont show you guys untill tomorrow because I want to use this information to game the system. What did you have in mind here by "gaming the system"? | ||
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On January 20 2016 10:47 kitaman27 wrote: whoa I just realized we gotta deny the Tommy role! If scum use it in combination with Reynolds they can blow 7 people up in 1 night. Whoops nevermind I'm dumb. Blows up visitors, not targets. XD | ||
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On January 20 2016 11:05 Cephiro wrote: Ah, I see. So because you were inconsistent once again, you're taking the easy out of "I think you're scummy for no reasons specified, but because I think you're scummy I can say whatever the fuck I want about you." Just what I'd expect from an anti-town Palmar. Since you're clearly not going to be co-operative, I won't be either. So watch me pick whatever I want. And watch me laugh when you're going to talk some bs about being accountable while you're doing all kinds of shit whilst doing your best to mislead town. I can't tell if you're saying Palmar is scum or just a pain to deal with. | ||
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Vivax seems mafia because he shows up with this post to complain about the number claiming, but doesn't suggest a better strategy or show interest in planning things out. On January 20 2016 00:55 Vivax wrote: Pretty much sums up why this shitty number claiming strat won't do jack. AlotSomuch had a really weak intro post. Something about trying to take notes, but not having any reads. Then the way he mentions VA's supsicions of him seem....awkward? Seems fine with being assigned too. The Shining also a mafia lean for similar reasons to Alot. A few posts on numbers and then accepting a role assignment with little sign of interest of abusing the setup or anything. Gambler, Doctor, and kitaman27 would probably be my three preferences for the assigned roles. Mostly beneficial for town and not a ton of use for mafia. Another thing with the kita role is that if one of the doctor trio slips through, we could use it to make sure all three are in the game and then use a wall of protects/watchers/trackers to make sure they are able to pull of their checks. | ||
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On January 20 2016 11:35 Breshke wrote: Also I am looking for 1 x Sherlock Holmes and 1 x Professor Moriarty I've gone back and forth in my head about whether the investigative power roles should be public to ensure that they are picked. It's tempting to throw several medics or a watcher on Holmes to ensure he lives and things go through, but there are a bunch of roles that could potentially mess with his actions. Right now I'm leaning towards keeping them hidden and relying on them getting picked by the crowd because of this. | ||
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On January 20 2016 11:43 Breshke wrote: why are 2/3 of your pics from your medium tier? For the assigned roles? Well those were the ones that seem pro-town low risk that I'd want in the hands of mafia suspects. Ideally the townies grab the higher priority ones. Thoughts on those three? | ||
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On January 20 2016 11:53 Keirathi wrote: Someone talk to me about Damdred. That dude is totally scum. I had a slight town read because he brought up to super thing with dreamflower. He misread the post, but the idea seemed towny with suspicion over a player who discussed an obviously pro-town role without showing much intention to actually pick it as if he was making a play for town cred. I'd think that was a valid reason to suspect super, if it weren't for the fact that his other actions make him look pretty townie. Damdred's content is lackluster otherwise though. What makes you so sure? | ||
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On January 20 2016 11:51 Breshke wrote: Is the benefit of keeping investigative roles private outweigh the chance that multiple townies wont fuck up and pick the same thing? I'm not disagreeing with you this is a genuine question. Not sure there is really a correct answer here. I'd lean towards yes, but then again Murphy's law..... XD | ||
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On January 20 2016 20:28 Vivax wrote: I had good reason not to partake in that plan where mafia has all the numbers nicely presented for their team to coordinate. I still don't get this. ALL players had the numbers presented for them to coordinate, how does that make it beneficial to just mafia? Like if you lie about your number as mafia, that just means you're overlapping with a different townie so it's not like you're going to magically jump 10 spots. If anything, keeping all the numbers hidden means more coordination for mafia because only they know what they are going to pick aka the "6 players choosing [9]" like a previous pyp. On January 20 2016 22:39 Vivax wrote: Palmar pretends to care but all he wants is just to skate by as the mafia eminence and let others do the work for him, while trying to lynch me. He is also a real sucker for kita's argument against me which was an argument a player like kita wouldn't bring as town, since I assume he knows me well enough. And on top of it the argument was bad, Eh I've only seen you play town like twice over the past 2-3 years so I'm not really sure I have anything in mind regarding how "Vivax plays town". It's more a "things scum commonly do" read. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying 100% like Palmar, but yes there are alignment indicative things to talk about and you haven't brought up any yet. | ||
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On January 20 2016 23:39 disformation wrote: Nah, town looking for scum. I'll be honest: inactivity is a bit of a turn-off for me. TBH was a bit turned-off that you didn't claim which number you picked, hence the uncooperative bit, but it seems like you didn't even picked one... so nvm for now. voting thread So being #13 I don't really want to pick something that might be taken. Could go traditional doc or JK. I just hope I don't get weak cop. around 33% or 38% of dying N1, depending on whether we lynch scum D1 seems a bit harsh. :/ I'd rather you picked doc than JK to be honest. | ||
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On January 20 2016 23:41 Superbia wrote: Good. You are 100% Spybotting n1 then. This also frames everyone so alignments will be inversed (I believe). yep yep, I'll also claim during the night if I do choose to frame and then I'll show up on any watchers and stuff (I'm assuming I visit every player) to confirm no tomfoolery. | ||
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On January 20 2016 23:45 Superbia wrote: I don't think it's a choice. It's part of the action. You'll frame everyone. Yeah, I mean assuming I do indeed to with spybot as planned, which is like a 95% probability at this point. | ||
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This seems solid. For number three, I think it is important that we tell them exactly who to pick. If we leave it up to them then they can pick a townie of their choice to kill and try to justify it. Since those 2-3 players don't know if they were actually targeted, they can't move their vote off a mafia at end of day if they know they're caught. Another option we have is to force the strongest scum suspect to be the gambler. If town feels that the gambler is still mafia by the end of day one, we force the gambler target to vote for the gambler, killing them both. Otherwise, we pick the target for the gambler voter. If either player refuses to follow through, we policy lynch since the final vote count will show the +0 and +2. I think I kinda like my version better. Thoughts? | ||
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On January 20 2016 16:40 Palmar wrote: This is a terrible post because the three names he mentions are basically drawn out of a fucking hat. There's a ton of people I have no faith Kita has strong opinions on simply because they haven't been around. Do you disagree with any of those three or are you just calling it terrible for the sake of calling things terrible? The difference between an afk player and those three is that I feel they actually have displayed things that I have found objectively scummy, mainly their complacency with the thread. Is it a strong opinion? No I rarely give those so early, but it's what I'm thinking at the moment nevertheless. | ||
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On January 20 2016 23:54 Superbia wrote: We haven't even lynched mafia and I already feel like we're winning rofl. Good ol PYP games :D | ||
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On January 21 2016 01:08 Palmar wrote: Kita I don't want you holding a role to frame the entire game, that seems like a role town shouldn't pick. It's a tracker who can also do investigative checks or protects while tracking. It's a very strong town role. If I frame, I simply tell everyone that I'm framing and they reverse their results. | ||
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On January 21 2016 01:18 Palmar wrote: Well you wouldn't frame, ever, would you anyway? If I choose the cop check, then it automatically does, though like I said, I just claim it. Even if you don't trust me and I claim frame or not frame, it would show up on every single watcher or tracker in the game so I have no reason to lie. | ||
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On January 21 2016 01:23 Damdred wrote: Can I pick psy and use it on Kita so he's annoyed all game with his check. So BM | ||
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On first glance I think mass claim could potentially work, but the biggest downside if having public knowledge of the top tier investigative roles. For instance, mafia shoot someone like Holmes or House and then mess with the results of the remaining ones because they know who to target. From what I remember, there weren't a ton of redirect tools in the setup so it might not be a huge issue. The key to stopping this would be to throw a watcher on the high priority cops to ensure that mafia can't shoot or mess with them without being spotted and trading 1:1. | ||
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Free for all picks for me, koshi and damdred? lol no, The purpose of your plan is to ensure there is no overlap of town roles. There is a very small pool of remaining roles that aren't already listed, so us "FFA" players are just going to step on each other's toes. By excluding Nigella, you're eliminating a watcher from the setup. A watcher is probably the STRONGEST ROLE in the game. By allowing damdred to watch House and Holmes mafia can't touch them without a trade. I am picking Dr. Sy N. Tist Koshi should pick Werner Von Braun Damdred should pick Nigella Lawson Simple as that. If Koshi or Damdred wants to trade, then it would be fine by me. You can't have a mayoral election on day one because the night action needs to go through first. If a player comes out town to a d1 investigative check, then I think we should give them the mayor and bodyguard role. If Holmes or one of the other super powerful roles looks really townie by day two then they should also be considered. I'd prefer Vivax as the City Councilman and Onegu as the jailkeeper. Whoever said it earlier was right, you give the scummiest player the bodyguard role. If Onegu was indeed the scummiest player in the game, then that's fine, but simply being difficult to read doesn't warrant having him be the guy that takes the hit. Scummy player > unknown player when it comes to taking a hit. We can't go into day one with players who openly refuse to go along with the plan. We have to work around their requests and deal with the consequences later on. Keir is taking House so Obi needs to be assigned a new role. If Keir is mafia then that's a bummer, but a mafia with a investigative role can only last so long. We take his checks at face value and evaluate them from there. Keir's reaction to the plan by totally ignoring it and going solo makes me change my mind on him. I'm scum reading him now, which is kinda annoying that he has the first pick, but it is what it is. If anyone doesn't share their intentions to oppose the plan and then denies another player from a role they should be policy lynched. Speak now or forever hold your peace. The Shining wants Yu, so we can give the time travelling vig to obi to fill things out. God help us all. By kei swapping to House we need a fill in for the Gambler. On January 20 2016 23:51 kitaman27 wrote: This seems solid. For number three, I think it is important that we tell them exactly who to pick. If we leave it up to them then they can pick a townie of their choice to kill and try to justify it. Since those 2-3 players don't know if they were actually targeted, they can't move their vote off a mafia at end of day if they know they're caught. Another option we have is to force the strongest scum suspect to be the gambler. If town feels that the gambler is still mafia by the end of day one, we force the gambler target to vote for the gambler, killing them both. Otherwise, we pick the target for the gambler voter. If either player refuses to follow through, we policy lynch since the final vote count will show the +0 and +2. I think I kinda like my version better. Thoughts? I shared my thoughts earlier with supersoft on how I think this should be optimally used. Lets give AlotsoMuch the gambler and then decide whether or not we should use it to kill him or just have him alignment check a player of our choice on day two. GlowingBear should pick up the kitaman27 role that we can be used in situations where a player becomes mysterious challenger. Say someone in the 15th spot gets their role stolen. It's going to be really hard to narrow that down, but GB can then simply identify that player right away which forces mafia to stay honest. Flowey is a bit too meh for my liking. | ||
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On January 21 2016 06:38 geript wrote: I'm taking link per plan. Since gambler/for will be gone Gambler actually would be availible since keir is going House. Right now it looks like nobody is drafting gambler. Though link is strong too. | ||
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On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote: Kita's additions completely undermine my plan. The reason is quite simple. If we assign everyone roles, mafia can just freely pick a role that wasn't assigned to them. The entire point of having ffa/check players is for them to take roles that SHOULD have been taken before them to PROVE the players before them actually took the roles they were meant to take. It's a failsafe. If we have no failssafes, mafia can just pick whatever the fuck they want. Essentially, my plan is pointless. I basically can't be arsed arguing this, I am out of energy trying to get people to be not stupid. Kita is very likely mafia because he's not dumb enough to think his version is an actual improvement. This is wrong on so many levels. I'll reply in a couple hours when I'm available. | ||
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On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote: The reason is quite simple. If we assign everyone roles, mafia can just freely pick a role that wasn't assigned to them. The entire point of having ffa/check players is for them to take roles that SHOULD have been taken before them to PROVE the players before them actually took the roles they were meant to take. It's a failsafe. Let me show you why this is so, so, so wrong. Palmar's plan: Koshi, damdred, and kitaman27 are free for all picks that are instructed to pick a role above them in the list to PROVE the players above us actually take a role that they want. Result: Koshi, damdred, and kitaman27 wind up as Mysterious challengers because they were idiotic enough to pick a role that was already selected. BUT AT LEAST WE VERIFIED 3 PICKS, RIGHT GUYS? Kita's plan: Koshi picks his assigned power role damdred picks his assigned power role kita picks his assigned power role Result: Between those three roles we now have 1x watcher 2x tracker 2x protection 1x nuke 1x secondary lynch 1x parity cop 1x alignment cop So what's more important, all those abilities or verifying that 3 people above us took the roles they promised (which has no alignment indicative information. Even if a player takes their assigned role, they still could be mafia) On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote: If we have no failssafes, mafia can just pick whatever the fuck they want. Essentially, my plan is pointless. No they really can't. For a mafia player to "pick whatever they want", that means that the role can't already have been chosen by another player. If they pick above another player, then they are denying the player below, that player claims and we have a combination of role checks, the kitaman27 role, and trackers to figure out who it was. So that leaves the list of roles that go unpicked. They're almost all trash: Hero - Picked by VA anyways Puppeteer - Useless for mafia Dimensional Lemming - Useless for mafia Speaker for the Dead - Useless for mafia Artanis - Useless for mafia GreYMisT - Useless for mafia because it only delays things for 12 hours. Janitor - 1 shot use and can't be used on the lynch. Not a high priority Copycat - Not a priority Tommy the Fireman - Okay mafia role, but not a Psy - If he uses his ability, it confirms he is in the game and we get him by role check, track or kitaman27 Alchemist - A delayed 1 shot vig? meh I suppose it is useful for mafia, but not a huge priority pick to justify breaking the plan Yu Narukami - Kinda useful role, but I suggested that it be picked in my post so it wouldn't be open Knight Artorias - Strong mafia role Essentially there is one mafia role that is worth grabbing and we have sicklucker's honest check on that one. Furthermore, since all role selections are basically public, you are responsible for your actions. Say the tracker decides that they are going to "undermine" your plan and grab a different role. They still gotta say who they visited each night, their tracker results etc. So essentially lie each night about their action. It's not worth the mafia risk. On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote: I basically can't be arsed arguing this, I am out of energy trying to get people to be not stupid. Kita is very likely mafia because he's not dumb enough to think his version is an actual improvement. On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote: Kita's additions completely undermine my plan. The fact that you're trying to take my clearly superior plan and justify it as a reason that I'm mafia is preposterous. Earlier in the game you mentioned that town's objective is to maximize the amount of blue roles we get. Yet here you are pushing a plan where there players are doing "honest checks". When I edit your plan to maximize the blue roles it makes me scum? That's laughable. Palmar is mafia | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:37 Palmar wrote: It's in town's best favor to have as many roles we control in the game as possible On January 21 2016 08:40 kitaman27 wrote: The entire point of having ffa/check players is for them to take roles that SHOULD have been taken before them to PROVE the players before them actually took the roles they were meant to take. It's a failsafe. On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote: Kita's additions completely undermine my plan. Who here thinks these three statements could possibly follow a logical sequence from a town Palmar? It's impossible. | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:37 Palmar wrote: It's in town's best favor to have as many roles we control in the game as possible On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote: The entire point of having ffa/check players is for them to take roles that SHOULD have been taken before them to PROVE the players before them actually took the roles they were meant to take. It's a failsafe. On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote: Kita's additions completely undermine my plan. Who here thinks these three statements could possibly follow a logical sequence from a town Palmar? It's impossible. EBWOP the second quote should be under palmar's name not mine. | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:47 Superbia wrote: I think it makes sense from a town perspective to have some people check-pick near end of the list. Assuming they're not all aligned (decent assumption), it puts some pressure on mafia to pick what they're told and not pick some super scummy role. Pick 8, 10, and 15 should not be thrown away simply to verify that a player picked their roles. I suggested they be replaced by three very powerful roles that include watching abilities, parity cop, tracking, and protection. Then Palmar calls me mafia for "undermining his plan". It's so illogical that it's ridiculous. | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:50 Fecalfeast wrote: Hi, dumb stoner here, just gonna work this one out on paper. Palmar: The more roles we control the better Palmar: Some players should have freedom to pick so we can check ^^This is a disconnect in thinking and your suggestion to eliminate the ffa roles, rather than undermine his initial quote, fortifies it? He told the FFA picks to grab a role ahead of them that was already picked. So for instance, koshi picks Link to make sure geript picked Link. kita picks arrow to make sure palmar is arrow, and damdred picks house to make sure breshke is house. In 99% of cases, koshi, kita, and damdred are now mysterious challengers because Occam's razor tells us that they're going to pick what they say. I suggest that we grab three super power roles instead that were omitted from his list and suddenly I'm undermining his plan. | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:49 Palmar wrote: nonono clearly I evil mastermind who created a massive plan just to take roles awayh from some random players with the side effect of probably negating all mafia roles. such smart wow Fine, lets be civil. Here are your top ten suggested picks, including the two honesty checks at 8 and 10. Keirathi: Gambler Superbia: CPR Doc OWS: House Rels: Reynolds Palmar: Arrow geript: Link Breshke: Holmes Koshi: FFA Cephiro: Dreamflower Kita: FFA Explain to me why my plan undermines yours by removing the FFA pick from Koshi and myself. The Gambler is a verifiable role based on the vote count at the end of the cycle. Mafia is not giving up the CPR Doc. House is really the only role out of the top 10 that I can see dropping out to sneak another, but he still has to lie each cycle about his results which doesn't make it worth taking something else. Reynolds is really useful for mafia. I can't see them passing on that. I'm guessing you don't need a honest check to tell us whether you picked arrow. Link has to provide a watcher result on day one and roleblock the entire game on night two so it's not like you can lie about that. Holmes results are returned to the other detectives so we'd know if he didn't take him. Dreamflower needs to shoot mafia to have an excuse for being alive. Could you point out the mafia strategy that I'm overlooking here that makes your plan suddenly useless? All the roles are either verifiable or strong enough that mafia would keep them anyways. Why do we need honesty checks in place of things like a parity check, tracker, or protect? | ||
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On January 21 2016 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Kita - Could be scum. His constant attack of Palmar over things rather than trying to push his plan forward reeks of scum motivation - looks like scum trying to unsettle our town leader instead of trying to move us in a positive direction. Umm after Palmar posted his plan, I explained why I thought it could work and what I would suggest to make it better. It was only until later when Palmar made his nonsense response that I started going after it. Your narrative really doesn't fit here. | ||
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On January 21 2016 09:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Let me put it this way - we were scrambling around and talking about who should get what and you're busy talking about a lynch that isn't happening for another 48 hours. My biggest concern was that we had a last minute scramble and you were just kind of walling up about Palmar being mafia where we were concerned about losing access to several power roles. Well I did suggest a role for you and several other people that weren't matched up with one in my post. On January 21 2016 06:10 kitaman27 wrote: we can give the time travelling vig to obi to fill things out. God help us all. My biggest concern is that the idea that having three useless honesty checks instead of valid power roles like parity cop would be a complete waste and that Palmar was being overdramatic by calling my suggestions something that would make his plan useless, considering it just changed 3 vanilla picks to 3 good ones that he missed. | ||
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On January 21 2016 09:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Mf I could have gotten time-travelling vigilante. Gdi. lol you totally skimmed over my post didn't you XD | ||
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On January 21 2016 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Cephiro - Moved down a notch behind glowingbear. Still seems relatively useless and irrelevant, even with his supposed cooperation earlier. I don't really think we need to worry about Cephiro considering the claimed pick, unless he's around later without a flipped mafia. | ||
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On January 21 2016 10:29 Keirathi wrote: Hero is a fucking awful town role. Saving yourself to the detriment of losing a whole night worth of actions is a really, really bad tradeoff. Really good for mafia, though. Doesn't mafia just grab hero and not claim it though? | ||
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On January 21 2016 10:34 CopCake wrote: I am here someone talk to me in the time I can actually post and read the thread. Did you follow the plan and grab Ezio? | ||
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On January 21 2016 22:23 Palmar wrote: Like for me to believe Kita is town, I have to believe Kita is a dumbass. I don't think Kita is a dumbass. I'd appreciate it if you avoided the name calling. Thanks  On January 21 2016 22:16 Palmar wrote: I come to the thread and call Vivax mafia and Kita immediately agrees with me, but using the weird phrasing "Vivax was the first person that I picked out as mafia too". However Kita had not bothered to mention this scum read until I started talking about it. It's not like I completely dropped it for a day or anything. I had the 2 post exchange with Vivax and my very next post in the thread was the one where I agreed that he was mafia. You say that you don't believe I had a scum read on Vivax until you pointed it out, but I was the one that jumped on his complain post to begin with for him to explain why it was bad and to see if he was going to give us anything better. As for you having the same read, I acknowledge that I agree with your thinking with it comes to him and I even agree with your latest post about his intentions. Could be opposite factions, one of you could be town. I don't know yet. On January 21 2016 17:33 Palmar wrote: Morning, I'm less mad than yesterday. Mind responding to post #1435? You say for me to honestly believe my plan is better that I have to be mafia. Well I do honestly believe that it was, I'm town, and I have literally no idea how my improvements made your plan useless. Like I showed how the top 10 don't need honest checks and how the blue roles you excluded were superior. Why honesty check to confirm that a player took their actual role, when you could pick a detective role, check them night one, and know their actual alignment. Going to filter dive a bunch of other people to see if I can put together a group of 8 or so that I think are the best scum candidates. I'm thinking it might be easier to pick all the townies and then process of elimination it, but I'll see. | ||
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On January 21 2016 23:19 GlowingBear wrote: You guys are discussing role and mechanics hoping this will help you find mafia when it helps nothing with the game. 99% of the time town tried to solve the game with mechanics, they lose Can we stop talking about roles and let people do what they want with what they got and stick to actually playing the game how it is intended? This seems like a post similar to the Vivax one. Show up to complain about something, but does nothing to advance the thread. Usually comes from mafia. | ||
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kitaman27 - <3 Rels - general activity and strong reads Cephiro - dreamflower claim, will sort itself out later Superbia - planning stuff, looking to take advantage of setup, advancing discussion. That post about how he was excited about how it looked like town was already winning seemed really townie. The Shining - Initially had him as one of my mafia reads, but his more recent stuff definitely makes me think he is town. In particular, I though post #1504 looked good on his part. Probably town: VayneAuthority - Picks hero and then claims it publicly. As I said earlier, I think mafia hides that info. Breshke - Holmes likely to sort himself out anyways even if he is mafia sicklucker - There are a bunch of spots where he seems excited of the prospect of puzzling the setup together CopCake - She seems like she is in her own little world. Should probably be closer to null but I get the feeling that she is one of those low activity townies at the moment. Choose 3-4 from this group: ObiWanShinobi Koshi disformation Keirathi Onegu Damdred Fecalfeast geript Mafia reads: Vivax GlowingBear Palmar AlotSomuch Tictock (?) This is where I'm at based on my initial quick glance through the player list after the pick phase. Only went through a couple filters so far. When I'm not so busy at work, I'll take a closer look at the peeps on my mafia list and outline why I think those are the baddies. | ||
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On January 22 2016 00:01 Palmar wrote: Seeing as you're just agreeing with all my reads, why do I not get a "Great activity and strong reads" like Rels? The patriarchy at work again. Well if we disagree about one read, that doesn't mean we can't be productive when narrowing down the other 7, right? Anything you feel is majorly wrong with that list aside from the Palmar one? Also, I asked that you reply to an earlier post whenever you have the chance. Thank you kindly. | ||
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On January 22 2016 00:15 Palmar wrote: Remember that Kita is almost as good as mafia as I am, so high expectations for him. Good thing I'm a far superior townie! :D | ||
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On January 22 2016 00:10 Palmar wrote: disformation should be a read I was kinda irked by him bringing up his "notes" like 5 different times as if he wanted us to be aware of the fact that he was talking notes or something. I did that in responsibility and Sheth did that at one point too as mafia. Publicly claiming that he was interested in the doc relatively early on in the game is probably the biggest thing in his favor. Reads from him tend to be a bit wishy washy, but that could go either way. | ||
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On January 22 2016 01:43 Keirathi wrote: @kita: If you're so sure that Palmar is scum (which seems like your strongest read except maybe Vivax?), why aren't you trying to convince people to vote for him? Or Vivax for that matter? Or anyone, really? I already answered that. Afraid I can't take a day off to play mafia  On January 21 2016 23:56 kitaman27 wrote: When I'm not so busy at work, I'll take a closer look at the peeps on my mafia list and outline why I think those are the baddies. | ||
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On January 22 2016 02:15 Superbia wrote: Kita do you still think Palmar is scum? I've asked three or four times now for a response while being ignored, which probably points to yes. Out reads are pretty close though, so maybe I'm focusing too much on the single "undermined my plan" post from him. If he is town, he will probably be dead soon anyways so ideally it gets fixed by itself, but there is a high percentage chance that I alignment check him tonight. | ||
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On January 22 2016 02:31 JudgeJudy wrote: Would you mind pointing me to the post you are refering to? I'm not seeing any list that includes Moriarty in Palmar's filter aside from the "plan", which you claim to have not seen. Sigh, I swear I do this every game. | ||
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On January 22 2016 02:59 Koshi wrote: I haven't read the last 3 pages and I never will. HAHAHA Koshi will be totally left in the dark about the new plan, won't he. That's going to be hilarious. | ||
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On January 22 2016 01:43 Keirathi wrote: If you're so sure that Palmar is scum (which seems like your strongest read except maybe Vivax?), why aren't you trying to convince people to vote for him? Or Vivax for that matter? Or anyone, really? On January 21 2016 13:34 Keirathi wrote: So if you're not mafia, who is? If you can't even come up with someone that is scummy, how do you expect people to think you're town? How to you expect to not get lynched? Looking through Keir's filter these two posts seem pretty scummy. He is calling out a couple of players for not pushing their scum reads so I went back to see who Keir has actually pushed and really the only person he has brought up this game as a strong read is damdred. On January 20 2016 11:53 Keirathi wrote: Someone talk to me about Damdred. That dude is totally scum. He gives a few generic sentences explaining that damdred hasn't said much and basically tells him to "step it up". He isn't trying to convince anyone himself why he should be lynched, yet goes after other people who are doing similar things. When I explain why I thought damdred could be town at that point, he essentially backs down and says he really isn't sure. I know it's only day one, but we've had like 60 hours to talk about stuff and his five page filter doesn't show hardly any scum hunting at all. Will probably look at Vivax and Alotsomuch next. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=Vivax I know I was pretty deadset on him being mafia in the recent resistance game until he suddenly turned on the activity so maybe he will show us something in the next 24 hours. If he continues to ignore the game, then I'd probably lynch him. | ||
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On January 22 2016 05:58 sicklucker wrote: Anyone making a list of claimed roles? dont you fuckers make me do it Maybe I missed a few, but I believe this is where we are at. 1. Keirathi - House 2. Superbia - CPR 3. ObiWanShinobi 4. Rels - Captain Reynolds 5. Palmar - Arrow 6. geript - Link 7. Breshke - Holmes 8. Koshi - German dude 9. Cephiro - Dreamflower 10. kitaman27 - Sy N Tist 11. Vivax - ??? 12. Tictock - ??? 13. disformation - Watson 14. Fecalfeast - Moriarty 15. Damdred - Doctor 16. AlotSomuch - kitaman27 17. VayneAuthority - Hero 18. The Shining - TT Vig 19. Onegu - ??? 20. Sicklucker - ??? 21. Copcake - ??? 22. GlowingBear - Mysterious challenger | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:40 AlotSomuch wrote: I don't really mind being assigned a role. Apparently Vayne thought I was scummy and knocked me down from number 11 to 16...so...well done Vayne? I mentioned it earlier, but this really has to be one of the scummiest posts in the game. Scum are always ultra aware of who suspects them and he brings it up as a....compliment? Like what is the point about even mentioning Vayne here? On top of that he is being really complacent during the first 48 hours, essentially asking to be assigned a role while providing no input himself. The case Rels posted earlier pretty much reflects what I've been saying/thinking here. He mentions that we shouldn't lynch him because he has an investigative role? lol everyone has some type of role. Saying that he is going to wait until after n1 until the player list is smaller seems like he isn't interested in putting in the effort to figure things out. The mafia to town ratio is really high, so it shouldn't be impossible to find one or two, especially with the 96 hour day one. I'd say lynch between him and Vivax....whichever contributes less over the next day or so. | ||
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On January 22 2016 06:32 sicklucker wrote: Ok someone needs to be tracking ticktock tonight The unclaimed players, the hero, and the doctor all make good track targets. The reason I say this is that the unclaimed players currently have no pressure on town to control their actions so they can do whatever they choose and fake claim if they need to, which allows us to verify their claim with a track. The hero should never be leaving his house, so if VA does then we know he is mafia. The doctor has a 33% chance of being weak. That means that if Damdred is mafia, he will almost certain be protecting a mafia player since he would die if he is protecting town. It also forces Damdred to protect a strong town role if he is aware that we're going to know where he is acting. | ||
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On January 20 2016 11:46 Tictock wrote: some posts suggesting that he's looking at the game from a mafia win perspective (I'm not sure how to say it better, just like looking at mechanics from a mafia pov). What were you referring to here TT that bothered you? | ||
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On January 22 2016 06:49 Rels wrote: Fucking fuck. We cannot kill Alot then. Alot checks Artorias and we protect him. kita checks Alot to see if he's really kitaman. It's extremely likely that either Vivax or TT has the busdriver based on the role claim list. I'd say probably Vivix. | ||
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On January 21 2016 19:46 Vivax wrote: Koshi is there anyone in this game you really want dead. Possibly breadcrumbed the kp here? | ||
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Once per game, when you have a half majority of the players voting for you (rounded up) OR you are the final mafia of your team remaining, You may PM the host to unleash the Wrath of the Abyss. If you manage to survive the day, You will gain the ability to immediately leap and kill a player who was voting you when you used Wrath of the Abyss. After using this power, You will return as mafia to all checks, no matter what. Unvoting Vivax unless we are sure he is mafia and getting lynched. Don't want to active his day vig with the half majority condition. | ||
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On January 22 2016 06:54 Rels wrote: OK. Alot claimed to have kita. We let him use it, if he lies about it we kill him. Simple. We need to track roleblockers to be sure they're not blocking him if we're doing that, so he cannot lie about that. Well I mean mafia has a busdriver so I'm not sure how reliable night checks are going to be when we publicly claim a plan like that. | ||
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On January 22 2016 06:56 sicklucker wrote: no we dont. IM TELLING YOU HE IS IN THE GAME we already know art is in the game. why would we waste kitas role on that? We need him to check someone less trustworthy to see who picked off the plan because that person has artorias. Im obviously not going to fake this rofl The kita role tells us WHO has art | ||
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On January 22 2016 06:58 Rels wrote: I don't think kitaman's power is affected by busdrivers. Seems you're right. Also a mafia busdriver can't bus their scumbuddies so we have that going for us too. | ||
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On January 22 2016 06:18 Keirathi wrote: Kita: What do you think about geript? He is in the lower half of my trust list at the moment so I could definitely see him flipping mafia, though outside my top 5 scum reads. I think his take on Rels wasn't very good because he is one of the few people that seems to be actually doing something. On January 21 2016 16:56 geript wrote: And I think I might be wrong about Breshke. In looking at my notes and reviewing his filter, he's not really hitting the marks I thought he was. lol another guy "looking at his notes". I'd be interested to see what he actually had in his notes on Breshke because this post seems pretty random/made up. On January 21 2016 04:23 geript wrote: He's focusing on this plan (which is NAI) but he's not really doing anything effective with it. Like Superbia's kinda run off with that. It's just more an exercise to get people avoiding having to talk about reads. Especially when the core of the pick plan really is to also discuss who we don't trust and why. I actually have a problem with the way that geript chose to go after Palmar. I think Palmar is mafia because of the way he completely overreacted to my additions to the plan and his decision to paint me as mafia based on that post. geript's line of reasoning here seems to be that he says Palmar was avoiding making reads with the plan, but if you looked closely, Palmar's role assignments were all based on his level of trust of players that he had mentioned earlier. It seems like geript isn't really reading things in detail. I think Link is a really good town role though so I wouldn't consider doing anything with him until at least day three. If he shows up with excuses about how he wasn't able to pull off the n1 watch or n2 double scum kp block, then I'd go after him. Even if he does do the n2 block, that part doesn't make him automatically town. | ||
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On January 22 2016 07:18 AlotSomuch wrote: I didn't say I shouldn't be lynched. Err....? | ||
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On January 22 2016 22:30 Palmar wrote: Also to everyone who thought kita's additions to my plan were not smart. THIS IS WHY WE HAVE CHECK PLAYERS Well the busdriver is almost certainly behind koshi and myself anyways, maybe damdred could have gotten really lucky and found it but do you know what's more accurate than a "honesty check" that a player chose his role? The alignment checks that I chose instead So rather than calling me bad 4-5 more times, what do you think about my post and keir's post on geript? Do you still think keir is mafia? | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:13 sicklucker wrote: now help me fill this shit in and see who lied so we can shoot them On January 20 2016 09:16 sicklucker wrote: what a waste of fucking time On January 20 2016 09:32 sicklucker wrote: I thought about it. The only way so few single combinations could get through is if mafai to some degree intentionaly tried to stop certain people for whatever reason. It makes sense they wanna stay at the bottom under the radar. On January 21 2016 02:11 sicklucker wrote: kp roles are already weak for mafia since there is 3 factions. When a mafia takes a kp it honestly is net neutral because there killing the other mafia the same amount of the time as town by percentages of importance of each player. So honestly just let mafia have all the kp roles if we dont want them their gonna hit mafia as well On January 21 2016 02:14 sicklucker wrote: But im just an idiot I dont make my living off math or anything. Kp roles will only be good for mafia late game. but mafia will probably just fire it all off instantly and hit the other mafia team. On January 21 2016 05:21 sicklucker wrote: Like if theres alot of doctors/veterans in play. this will force mafia to not kill the obvious towns and instead kill questionable people so mafia on mafia violence On January 21 2016 05:23 sicklucker wrote: which is why im mostly prioritizing trackers/inv type stuff. but if towns have doctors mafia will get paranoid and go off the board On January 22 2016 06:32 sicklucker wrote: Ok someone needs to be tracking ticktock tonight On January 22 2016 06:56 sicklucker wrote: no we dont. IM TELLING YOU HE IS IN THE GAME we already know art is in the game. why would we waste kitas role on that? We need him to check someone less trustworthy to see who picked off the plan because that person has artorias. Im obviously not going to fake this rofl @GB I'm town reading him for posts like these. There is a lot of setup talk, which could go either way, but the difference I think is that it seems like he actually believes what he is saying and gets frustrated at points, which is tough for mafia to fake on certain topics that probably don't matter much to them. | ||
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You play a pretty close Ace, but I feel like you're missing something. The swagger or something... | ||
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"You may not knowingly cause there to be a majority of mafia players in either the main game thread or the new game thread." I wonder if we can use this as like a pseudo dt check if we include Vivax and two of the scummiest players. | ||
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On January 23 2016 00:36 Palmar wrote: Repeat after me: "If I ever get lynched I solemnly swear to not use my power. If my power is mandatory I will kill whoever Lord Palmar tells me to". Do you guys know who serves under Lord Palmar? KNIGHT ARTORIAS | ||
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On January 23 2016 00:11 Vivax wrote: weekend starts now for me so ill do stuff when i get home. You're aware that the deadline is today and it's a majority lynch format right? Just saying... Also, Lemming does seem like a "I need an excuse to live tomorrow" type of role claim. If he is indeed the busdriver, the choices to fake claim that would seem even slightly town leaning are pretty limited. | ||
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On January 23 2016 00:45 VayneAuthority wrote: You have claimed to not read the thread, 1 or 2 people have threatened shots on me already in addition to quite a few people in this game that don't like me, it is very likely Could you detail why I'm your strongest scum read anyways? If you could lynch me today, would you want to? | ||
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On January 23 2016 00:58 Vivax wrote: Kita is more trustworthy than Palmar at this point. The latter just pushes for any lynch with any shit reason he can find. I feel like I just received a Sarah Palin endorsement  | ||
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On January 23 2016 01:35 Koshi wrote: So it is in everybody his best interest to not call me mafia. Also, mafia pls keep me alive and don't call me scum. Let it be known that this man is certainty not mafia. | ||
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On January 23 2016 01:35 Vivax wrote: ALrighty filter by filter analysis is complete, the verdict: Lynch damdy, geript, GB, Rels imo. Which one specifically in your opinion? | ||
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On January 23 2016 01:45 Koshi wrote: Yes. 6 people are voting for a guy who we know doesn't have that ability, or at least can proof the ability he has. Why are we not voting for people who refuse to claim AND we think are scummy? They might be the confirmed scum. Everyone ahead of SL except onegu and TT (mysterious challenger) have claimed I believe. Do you think it is one of those two? | ||
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On January 23 2016 01:47 CopCake wrote: Ohhhhhh come and tell me more about it. Excuse me for being busy and skimming most game. You haven't actually commented about Vivax as far as I can tell from your filter. Does this infer that you actually think he is mafia or....? | ||
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On January 23 2016 01:32 Vivax wrote: Palmar town dictator but im leaning like 80 % town after checking the titanic game (the level of tryhard wasnt this high). Do you think it is a fair assessment to say that Palmar only tries hard as town? | ||
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On January 23 2016 02:08 kitaman27 wrote: Do you think it is a fair assessment to say that Palmar only tries hard as town? The reason I ask is because you chose titanic as your comp, while playing with him a few weeks ago in outlaw where he had his 22 page scum game and you said that you would "never TR him" that game as town. | ||
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On January 23 2016 02:17 Vivax wrote: yea but in that game he got instantly caught on n1 or 2 by a bunch of people who died on those nights including myself and if he were mafia in this game my spidey sense would tingle like in that one. So your spidey sense didn't tingle this game? I thought you said you thought he was mafia, but the titanic changed your mind. It doesn't seem very consistent. | ||
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On January 23 2016 02:41 geript wrote: @Kita This is why I retracted my TR on Breshke. When I read him in the thread he looked great to the eyeball check. But when you filter him you realize the wheels aren't churning. Wait, so you're PMing yourself your notes on Breshke based on the "Original Message" part, yet you're carrying out a conversation with yourself? I'm so confused o.O | ||
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On January 23 2016 02:54 kitaman27 wrote: Wait, so you're PMing yourself your notes on Breshke based on the "Original Message" part, yet you're carrying out a conversation with yourself? I'm so confused o.O oh lol that's from a different game isn't it. I was worried you were going a bit coo coo for a sec -_- | ||
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On January 23 2016 03:09 geript wrote: Whenever I find a good meta read on people, I pm it to myself to keep. That's from a while back, but I check them to see if it's relevant. Got any on me? :D | ||
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On January 23 2016 03:22 geript wrote: Like as Mafia you focus on and are better at thread control Next scum game I'm going Ritalin free. You'll never see it coming. | ||
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We've got roles like House, Holmes, Link, Sy N Tist out in the open. Do you really think mafia is going to snipe you tonight over all the others if you were to claim something like City Councilman? -_- | ||
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On January 23 2016 03:28 geript wrote: Lol. I don't quite think ASM is scum. He was really easy to spot out last game and it's not the same. Granted small data size. The connection I saw was a lot of talk about how tough it was to figure stuff on day 1, which was brought up in both the rayn game several times and then this one. | ||
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On January 23 2016 03:40 Keirathi wrote: You ostensibly think all of those people (aside from yourself, obviously) are scum, and you think they are likely to get shot!? Yeah probably. Regardless of whether they are town or mafia, I highly doubt mafia is going to be perfectly fine with a bunch of investigative checks going out each night. That's not the point though. I'm saying that there is no reason for Onegu to keep his role hidden because no matter what he has, he isn't going to be a priority night hit target. | ||
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On January 23 2016 04:25 Onegu wrote: I understand this. I am not omgusing I am looking at the reasons people give for wanting me dead. Ready to claim now? | ||
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On January 23 2016 04:33 Onegu wrote: Never claiming^ Why? | ||
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On January 23 2016 04:38 Onegu wrote: The only way something happens to onegu tonight is if onegu has a OP role. Third person onegu is best onegu. I'll answer that question for mafia. You don't have an OP role because there are no OP roles left unclaimed. See! Now you don't have to worry about a night hit. I got your back. You understand that SL claimed the busdriver was picked above him right? So surely you understand the reason why we want you to sure your info right? Back to voting vivix, though onegu is worth a night check or shot. | ||
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On January 23 2016 05:14 Breshke wrote: I really wanna apologise for my absence it will improve in around 48 hours though Kita are the reasons you want to lynch vivacious the same as Disfo's case? Basically yeah. | ||
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Can we get a majority please? | ||
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On January 23 2016 07:45 Tictock wrote: Paranoid thought though, what if SL has just been leading us on with the assertion that Artorias got picked to push people to claim? What's the mafia motivation though? A day one lynch on a player that most people thought was scummy already? AlotSomuch uses the kitaman27 role n1 and it returns nobody and then....? | ||
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On January 23 2016 07:46 Damdred wrote: errrr I just got internet back but whats the case on vivax? I was reading his filter and thought he was town Could you give specifics here? | ||
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On January 23 2016 08:10 Damdred wrote: Sure he knows hes a lynch candidate by the time he starts giving reads. He doesn't give a shit about appeasing people it seems without reading context and just gives the reads. You think they are legitimate reads though? He named like 12 people within a span of 15 minutes or something. No way he read the thread or put much thought into them, instead of just shouting stuff out. | ||
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On January 23 2016 09:04 Palmar wrote: Kita is still 100% mafia and you're all bad. LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU. | ||
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On January 23 2016 09:32 Koshi wrote: Going to rb the vanilla doc. this is how much I love you mafia. pls show some merci. Err, rb onegu? | ||
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Palmar - Picked up on the early post from him that was bad and then Vivax tried to appease him towards end with town read. disfo - Consistent mafia read on vivax during the first 72 hours and had the case which summarized things pretty well sicklucker - It would be really suboptimal to reveal the missing busdriver when Vivax is going to be a prime candidate here. superbia - Suggested we use the gambler plan on Vivax during planning phase and then lists him as priority lynch later I thought about including damdred on the list for essentially hard defending him towards the end. If they were buddies, he almost certainly isn't going to save him with 30 minutes left and he would look worse for doing so. It seems like he might have actually thought Vivax was town. Following players look worse after flip: onegu - He never mentions Vivax all game and then shows up near the end with these posts that soft defend him by suggesting that we're lynching him based on the role, rather than the fact that he was really scummy. On January 23 2016 08:13 Onegu wrote: Is the only reason you guys are not switching off of Vivax because you think you might give him one shot? On January 23 2016 08:16 Onegu wrote: so you dont believe he is lemming? Breshke - If he acknowledges that the disfo case is sufficient to lynch Vivax, why is he asking me about him? It's kind of hard to explain, but if he has already made his mind up, why is he coming to me to validate his read. If I say I'm lynching Vivax for different reasons than disfo, then he vote Vivax. If I say I'm lynching Vivax for the same reasons as disfo, then he votes Vivax. Seems like a buddy attempt or something. On January 23 2016 05:14 Breshke wrote: Kita are the reasons you want to lynch vivacious the same as Disfo's case? On January 23 2016 05:20 Breshke wrote: Works for me copcake - She responds sarcastically when Vivax brings her up, but she doesn't actually share a scum read on Vivax which I felt was strange since it seemed like she was suggesting that. On January 23 2016 01:47 CopCake wrote: Ohhhhhh come and tell me more about it. Excuse me for being busy and skimming most game. On January 23 2016 01:55 CopCake wrote: The only note I have for vivax is that he is secretive with his actions like which numbers he has picked, his role, etc. Alotsomuch - No quotes here but he goes all game without really even mentioning Vivax and then just shows up to vote him without adding anything at all. Seems real complacent. Koshi - Both defends Vivax directly by explaining why he is town and indirectly by strongly pushing the onegu counter-wagon. This would be pretty irrelevant though if onegu is scum too I guess. | ||
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On January 23 2016 10:38 The Shining wrote: Ahhh they have to be on the list first. Do it tomorrow. For the record, you're telling Palmar to shoot me tomorrow? | ||
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On January 23 2016 10:17 Keirathi wrote: Wait wait wait Kita. You've called me mafia multiple time. I semi-defended Vivax, and tried to get people to lynch geript instead. What happened to your scum read on me? Did you just forget about me, or just deice to pick on the low-hanging fruit? Yeah the 4-5 people I listed were the ones that immediately came to mind based on the Vivax interactions towards the end of the day. Looking at your filter now, you had a few bad posts on him and yes I'm still leaning scum on you, though not particularly for the push on geript. I'll put together an updated list for who I think the remaining 7 are right before the day post tomorrow. On January 23 2016 10:17 Keirathi wrote: Also, "Damdred was hard defending Vivax in the last 30 minutes, tempted to say that makes him town" vs "Koshi was hard pushing Onegu the last 30 minutes, he definitely looks worse now". How do both of those together make sense?? I think the difference was that Koshi was aggressively pushing the counter lynch, while damdred seemed more concerned about a mislynch without really doing anything that was going to keep Vivax alive with the gb vote. | ||
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Can I get a nomination too? I never get a nomination. | ||
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On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote: He CLAIMS that he had already picked out Vivax as mafia, so why didn't he do anything about it??? Posting that I agreed with you was me doing something about it. I had the two post exchange with him in the thread and my very next post in the thread was calling him mafia. It's not like I was jumping on the bandwagon right before the deadline, this was a few hours into the game. On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote: It's also important to notice that if you go to Kita's filter you can see that while he consistently called Vivax mafia he was never actively trying to lynch him. He wasn't yelling for the lynch in the same way I do. There is no way a town Kita cares so little about the lynch.
But yeah, you know. I didn't care On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote: But more importantly, even if he doesn't agree with me, it doesn't make me mafia. Nothing he says in the first part of the case makes me mafia. It was completely irrelevant whose plan was better (even though mine was). The fact that you exaggerated your read on me saying that I was "undermining" your plan and making your plan "useless" was the thing that made me come to the mafia conclusion. Enforced by the fact that ever time I tried to respond to you, you just called me dumb. On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote: Also, just like the Vivax read, I don't feel like he made a strong push to actually lynch me. I didn't think you were a good day one lynch. I said that. I'll probably filter dive you later tonight to evaluate whether I still think you're mafia or if I just let you get under my skin during the planning phase. On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote: In fact I don't think Kita has passionately pushed anyone this game. It's just some shitty lists of 3-5 people thrown together as maybe mafia. Well we've had almost identical reads most of the game, so pick one or the other. On January 24 2016 00:45 Palmar wrote: For a long time it felt like his filter was relatively short. It's up to maybe 7 pages now, but it was 5 pages back on day 1. Again, the whole "not invested" thing. Well considering I average around 3-4 pages a cycle most games, it must mean I'm doubly invested! Phew. On January 24 2016 00:45 Palmar wrote: Part 4: Suggestions on how to deal with Kita in the future if I'm dead Personally I prefer a funny gif or pop culture reference. Something like this would do. ![[image loading]](https://media4.giphy.com/media/8mMrUPBFikM8M/200_s.gif) Anyways, I'm just going to keep on trucking. One down, seven to go. | ||
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On January 23 2016 15:55 geript wrote: So Kita do you think I'm scum. I'm curious. You've only had like 2-3 alignment indicative posts so I'm kinda just waiting to hear more from you. On January 21 2016 04:23 geript wrote: It's just more an exercise to get people avoiding having to talk about reads. Especially when the core of the pick plan really is to also discuss who we don't trust and why. Of those posts, this was the one that I found the scummiest, which I explained earlier. He clearly wasn't avoiding sharing reads in that post based on the role assignments. I attacked him for the "undermining" post, yet you seemed to jump on for completely different reasons that I didn't find valid. I'd say you're still in the group of players that could be mafia, but not near the top of the list. Hopefully a good use of the Link role solves the problem. | ||
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On January 23 2016 15:26 The Shining wrote: Can you point out what Keirathi posts were bad RE: Vivax? On January 23 2016 03:47 Keirathi wrote: Also, don't think we should be lynching Vivax today. Not positive he's town or anything, but his list of people to lynch looks pretty good except for maybe Rels. I'm feelin' it enough that I don't want to lynch him today. On January 23 2016 08:06 Keirathi wrote: Even though I still think there are people who are more liekly to be mafia than Vivax, I think we still have to lynch him at this point. We are pretty sure there's an artorias in the game, and the weird timing of Vivax's claim after being so unwilling to play ball with town for the first 72+ hours means that we pretty much can't shannannie off of him. These two. Initially he soft-defends Vivax without giving an alignment read when the lynch is up in the air and then returns later with his decision that we "have to lynch him". He justifies it by saying: 1) Artorias is in the game 2) The weird lemming claim 3) Vivax was useless the first 72 hours Well all three were true when he said we shouldn't be lynching Vivax so it seems like he was over explaining his reason for jumping on the bandwagon. The simple fact that Vivax had 6 votes on him to activate the night shot shouldn't be reason alone because we weren't lynching him solely for his role, we were lynching him for his play. | ||
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On January 23 2016 15:26 The Shining wrote: I do agree on your point about Damdred not really trying to keep Vivax alive, but where was Koshi aggressively pushing a counter lynch? He kept mentioning and talking about Onegu but always maintained the fact that he'd consolidate but that Onegu was always his preferred lynch. Yeah onegu is the counter lynch that I'm referring to. Stuff like this: "Wait you mean we can fucking lynch Onegu and most likely hit the fucking confirmed mafia??? Who the fuck is opposing that lynch?" "Why do I need to believe Vivax his claim? If he can't make his claim hard next days. I can kill him. Easy. Why would mafia lie about it anyway? Also he is obvious town. " "Onegu lynch is 1000000x better than Vivax lynch. I know this without reading anything xcept a couple posts from Vivax earlier and Onegu filter." | ||
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On January 24 2016 02:20 Koshi wrote: Just like the first guy said. I always wanted to lynch Vivax. But I preferred Onegu. Okay bub. On January 24 2016 02:20 Koshi wrote: Kita, I take it you hard townread Onegu? Hard read him as mafia actually. Would make a good shot tonight. The whole two mafia factions makes things a bit more tricky, but if onegu flips mafia I'll forgive you. Kinda. | ||
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On January 24 2016 02:22 Koshi wrote: Well apparently kita can't do anything else than make some shitty association reads based on people who had something against the Vivax lynch even though that lynch was set in stone and tmi mafia would be smarter about it. See my goal is to antagonize as many people with kp as I can in a single night. | ||
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Part 1: "Not sure about that" Part 2: "Thought it was town initially, but now randomly isn't" Part 3: "Don't know if that applies" Conclusion: Yep probably scum Right on man. | ||
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Ideally onegu gets shot by a vig that would kill him tonight due to likely busdriver, like cpr or dreamflower. | ||
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I have an idea. On January 13 2016 05:45 GreYMisT wrote: Eraser Bot Mk 0 - Target player may edit one of their posts Palmar can fix his case on me and balance will be restored to the thread. | ||
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Keirathi - Has to provide his tracking result each night, unlikely busdriver pick when publicly claiming House Superbia - Has to claim his shot each night, likely town but scum would want cpr doc here even if mafia ObiWanShinobi - Possibility Rels - likely town but scum would want Reynolds here even if mafia Palmar - Probably shooting me tomorrow, so confirms him as arrow geript - has a bit more wiggle room busdriver here n1, but likely crucified if he doesn't use link n2 so likely not busdriver Breshke - Other two roles confirm whether Holmes makes a check Koshi - A bunch of conformable abilities tomorrow Cephiro - Has to claim his shot each night and explain why he is alive if no scum flip kitaman27 - That's me Vivax - Dead Tictock - Used blazinghand on damdred. It's possible to have a busdriver TT + blazinghand copcake or gb, but copcake claimed the public vig so that leaves TT + gb disformation - Can confirm watson via other two by withholding info from one and honesty checking the other Fecalfeast - Can confirm moriarty via other two by withholding info from one and honesty checking the other Damdred - Possibility AlotSomuch - if he is busdriver, we know it after his kitaman27 check points to someone else so 1:1 at worst VayneAuthority - Possibility The Shining - Has to claim shot....takes a couple days to resolve which could buy him time but has been townie enough to earn pass Onegu - Possibility sicklucker - Has publicly confirmed role. I suppose we gotta consider whether he actually took busdriver though, but leaning towards him being town Out of the three remaining Obi, VA, and Onegu we can confirm VA is hero through lynching him and having him redirect the kp towards our real lynch target. Onegu should be the lynch target tomorrow if he survives the night. On top of the lynch role speculation stuff, Onegu would be a good lynch target on his own and is my strongest scum read right now. Keir is my second strongest and Breshke/TT the third Obi is a wild card so I'd suggest looking at him later on if the others don't work out. Having trouble reading him though one way or the other. Aside from the stuff on me, Palmar is saying enough stuff that I agree with that I'm willing to admit that I was probably wrong. I think I'll have a better idea of FF tomorrow. If I get shot tonight or by Palmar tomorrow, read through my filter about what I've said about others. Almost always people fail to do this. Hold people accountable for their use of their claimed actions and force people to claim things because there could be other trackers or watchers that conflict with what they're saying. I USED MY DT CHECK LAST NIGHT SO THE FRAME IS IN EFFECT. THIS APPLIES TO ALIGNMENT CHECKS ONLY | ||
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On January 24 2016 09:20 Koshi wrote: Kita if you can proof you are town somehow I will nuke Palmar. Hold your nuke. I'll give you someone to put it to good use on in a bit. I'll reveal my night results in a little bit, but I wanna look into a few things/ask a few questions first. | ||
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Could you please share your thoughts on the other three? | ||
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On January 24 2016 09:36 Fecalfeast wrote: I liked a lot of Keir's posts before, he made me go "yeah that's true" more than once. Towny FF, he's probably the most virile, handsome man I've ever met. GB is in this game? Scummy TT I have not filtered but off the top of my head I can't think of anything he's brought to the table. I should read some filters Could you elaborate on GB? When you are done with filters, could you post who should be lynch and why tonight? ty sir | ||
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On January 24 2016 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh right I think onegu should be lynched, I don't have to read for that I'm gonna make food instead We got copcake shot and koshi nuke too. Suggestions? Doesn't have to be this instant, but tonight would be awesome. Also, explanation on GB read would help. | ||
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On January 24 2016 09:49 Onegu wrote: I claimed before deadline. I'm not scum. Use your head Yet you didn't care in the slightest that you were wasting Alotsomuch's role? When we coulda had a free gambler or jailer instead? | ||
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On January 24 2016 09:57 Onegu wrote: A lot confirmed me bus driver. Someone tracked Geript and got you visited TT. And Geript died. I 100% saved you from KP Translation: I shot koshi and bussed it to geript. | ||
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To quote Palmar: Because you're mafia But I'm nice than Palmar. So we can still be friends. | ||
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On January 24 2016 10:04 Tictock wrote: On the other hand though we have solid odds to lynch mafia again. keir, GB, and FF thoughts and top 3 scum reads when you have a chance. | ||
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On January 24 2016 10:21 Koshi wrote: Why the fuck did VA die? I don't get this. I really don't get this. Obvious town and my bestest buddy. | ||
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![[image loading]](https://38.media.tumblr.com/a88c73f4065145b2b48dfa3669370d9b/tumblr_inline_o0m2zl76ep1rj5jo6_500.gif) Haha Koshi, it's completely obvious that I have a red check based on my posts and then you nuke me before I reveal it? lolol don't you guys dare let him get away with this. Anyways, FecalFeast is Mafia Moriarty On January 24 2016 07:58 kitaman27 wrote: I think I'll have a better idea of FF tomorrow. I breadcrumbed my check in the night post. Lets see if I can solve the rest of the game in the hours that I have left. I'll be mostly watching the football games today, but I'll definitely do some filter diving tonight. + Show Spoiler + Kita 2 Palmar 1 | ||
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You're all going to hate me for this, but I just realized that my "frame all" ability doesn't actually frame all, it frames everyone but my target. So when I got a town result on FF, I assumed that meant he was mafia because of the frame -_- | ||
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Thanks for hosting! | ||
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Dr. Sy N. Tist Spybot - Receive targets full role PM including any hidden details regarding their role (Teammates will not be included). Frame every other player in the game. Yu Narukami As one of the wielder's of the wildcard, you have access to many of the major arcana. You use these arcana to fuse and summon Personas to aid you You have access to 9 major arcana tarot cards, each has an ability/effect. Each night you may target one player. You may use any number of cards on that target. You only have 1 copy of each card. The Lovers - Your target and whoever he targeted become lovers this night The Magician - You are unaffected by your target this night The Star - Your target is protected from 1 kp Our mafia team came up with a plan to shoot everyone but us night one by combining these two roles, but unfortunately the mechanics didn't work out as we hoped XD | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:17 Koshi wrote: FUCK YOU RELS FOR KPING ME. Rels actually saved you night one though! We were watching onegu's bus claims at the deadline and then changing our shots based on the target. Of course it didn't work out as we hoped when you shot me a few hours later XD | ||
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Totally ungrateful! By the way, my plan was totally superior to Palmar's. | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:23 GreYMisT wrote: I will say that I am very sad that we lost Nigella What did Nigella actually do? | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:28 Palmar wrote: One note about the game. Almost everyone actually tried. This game was, on both sides, a quality game. On January 26 2016 23:40 Palmar wrote: Data: format: ID, Name, Posts, words, words-per-post, activity rating sorted by activity rating. 6|Palmar|333|10653|31.990990990991|12.5911240510595 3|Rels|348|10409|29.9109195402299|12.5851017652871 4|Koshi|346|8130|23.4971098265896|12.3143024627779 19|sicklucker|304|8405|27.6480263157895|12.2942178780475 13|kitaman27|158|9178|58.0886075949367|12.105527220351 26|Superbia|316|4994|15.8037974683544|11.7458084276567 18|disformation|158|6246|39.5316455696203|11.6876620366899 24|Keirathi|130|5961|45.8538461538462|11.5522411568805 11|The Shining|113|4964|43.929203539823|11.2926578755501 16|Tictock|113|4789|42.3805309734513|11.2536905360899 17|Fecalfeast|160|2671|16.69375|10.7708047027094 23|Onegu|143|2445|17.0979020979021|10.6260331961142 1|CopCake|102|2576|25.2549019607843|10.5359648184814 9|Cephiro|53|3341|63.0377358490566|10.5339670586961 21|ObiWanShinobi|127|1940|15.2755905511811|10.3233080457815 20|Damdred|86|1935|22.5|10.1512008746309 14|GlowingBear|87|1876|21.5632183908046|10.1226013377262 25|AlotSomuch|53|1686|31.811320754717|9.7914197953226 15|Breshke|67|1366|20.3880597014925|9.66470155106461 10|Vivax|43|1271|29.5581395348837|9.39383233196461 2|geript|41|1108|27.0243902439024|9.22413325770076 5|VayneAuthority|47|991|21.0851063829787|9.1622819941489 Here is what the activity distribution turned out to be. You should totally share the script you used to parse things out. :D | ||
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On February 04 2016 10:06 GreYMisT wrote: Oh also, I would like player input on the following mechanics in the game I think some type of mechanic to discourage mass claims during the picking phase would make the games a bit more interesting. With a pyp setup like this one, I think it is essentially always in town's best interest to organize the draft with specific picks like the plan Palmar provided. If the decision wasn't as clear cut with something like a factional Ezio (and nerfing mafia in some other way in exchange), the game might play out closer to a typical themed game. | ||
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