OUTLAW MINI MAFIA

On December 24 2015 03:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Holyflare? Damdred? People I don't know and that I can piss off with my play?

/in

On December 27 2015 00:45 GlowingBear wrote:
ARGH. Public display of affection

On January 04 2016 00:58 sicklucker wrote:


hes not tho

On January 04 2016 00:33 sicklucker wrote:
slam or noctorn mage and never change. at least we have a chance to read palmer/tref/ritoky going forward. Even if noctorn mage is town hes not going to give a flying shit about this game. I wouldnt and slam is slam

On January 04 2016 01:09 sicklucker wrote:
If I were to scum read onegu it would be for the fact hes usually acualy good at his fakeclaim bullshit. but here he was just really bad. But hes been playing especially bad lately

On January 03 2016 22:40 ObviousOne wrote:
thought about night kills for a bit in my simpleminded way and reviewed some of their filters quickly

rsoul obviously killed because confirmed town and capable of playing as opposed to coag who is mostly reliable for deciding at the last possible moment who to lynch at lylo, making him a low priority kill

based on artanis rayn and vivax, palmar is suspect as they were the largest proponents of his lynch. also they were probably the most obvious town so it's hard to decide if they were killed for being obviously town or if they were being killed for their scum reads.

i don't want to lynch onegu yet because im pretty sure he's town and pulled of a highly retarded ego-related move to try to get a scum read lynched and that is so bad that i would rather ignore him completely than dedicate any more brain cells to thinking about it. also the people voting for him at this point, yikes.

no idea what i was thinking about since i didnt write it down when writing my last scum team list, poked through various filters and there was a confluence of ideas that make it a thing that happened. mostly how people talk to / treat eachother and their scum reads, but it was nebulous and in my head so i have no idea if it's good or not. maybe not. i am apparently the black sheep when it comes to scum reads this game which probably means i'm 90% wrong or more. i remember last time that happened in a game hosted by bh, wasn't a good time after i died and found out how retarded i was. could be that all over again.

maybe there's some hidden nuggets in the way the rels vote went. honestly i don't see/remember how come rels was lynched for sheeping rayn or what his major offense was.

haven't given a single thought to nocturne but there's been some discussion about him relating to replacement meta that could be a good start. it's entirely possible that ness quit not because he was a pissed off townie but because he didn't want to deal with mafia [the game] elitist hotheads. i could see that. i had that kind of thought in my first newbie game with someone a lot less outrageous.

it's hindering me thinking about things in terms of potential teams with this many players and i'm at a loss when it comes to trying process of elimination so... yeah. gonna sheep damdred today.

On January 04 2016 01:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


If he's town and we lynch him, maybe he'll stop doing it.

On January 04 2016 01:16 Damdred wrote:
Maybe but I did play in a game with scum onegu where he fake claimed big and rode it until end of game. There is that.

On January 04 2016 01:13 Damdred wrote:
Nm what's the mafia motivation potentially going 1v1 and if he's cc Tt is confirmed town?

On January 04 2016 01:13 Damdred wrote:
Nm what's the mafia motivation potentially going 1v1 and if he's cc Tt is confirmed town?

On January 04 2016 01:48 sicklucker wrote:
maybe nocturne mage is tmi when he acualy knows what mafia roles there are since I never bothered to look other then the vig and roleblocker I noticed. I mean its really stupid I think so I wont hold it against him but I never noticed there was a rolecop or a gf. Like whats rc even stand for rolecops are kinda rare in games

On January 04 2016 02:24 Damdred wrote:
Wouldn't it be interesting to start lynching Palomar today and make him play super hardvtommorow to get a read off him

On December 29 2015 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no way Palmar does neither of:
(1) stay on TicTock when having claimed to sheep me
(2) vote Vivax after unclaim
..as town.

There is just no way and it makes Palmar 100% mafia.

On January 04 2016 23:49 nooniansoong wrote:


Whyyyy
GB can come in end game and town himself much like palmar has (somewhat).
Besides that Gb looks town from his earlier content.

Alakaslam never looked town. Many of the NKs have strongly wanted to kill alaka (koshi, HF off the top of my head). Alakaslam also has fucked off like GB except he's not the type of player that can come back and look super town.

On January 04 2016 23:58 ObviousOne wrote:

so hes ok calling noct a fucker for no reason? to me itimplied a familiarity like ribbing a friend but then they d ont know eachother

it just stands out as weird like i said

On January 04 2016 23:59 Palmar wrote:
like how can you make a point about me without reading the conversation?

On January 05 2016 07:26 ExO_ wrote:
I'm really having second thoughts. The only thing that really makes me think GB is scum would be HF really thinking he's scum.

And Palmar/Onegu being on GB doesn't help encourage me either. I really believe Ritoky and Damdred are town but I'm not sure if this is the right course of action. I still think palmar is scum and he managed to talk himself out of being scum read.

On January 05 2016 07:34 sicklucker wrote:
Remember yesterday how I covered that shennanies are the worst thing ever with two huge poweroles out there? Gb is not one he woulda claimed already palmar or slam might be

On January 05 2016 07:39 ExO_ wrote:


Because of the way you've played so far. You didn't care at all about the early game lynches, only showed up at the end of day 1. And you've been very okay with however anything goes. Until you got some pressure on you today you weren't caring at all who was lynched. Artanis and Rayn both thought you were scum

On January 05 2016 07:49 ExO_ wrote:


I think you're scum. Do you think this is personal or something? Unlike HF I haven't tried to insult you or anything. But based on your play, and all of the talkative townies this far thinking your scum I think you are indeed scum. I thought if you got a lot of pressure on you, you'd come out talk a lot and convince people not to lynch you. Which is what it seems like to me has happened.

On January 05 2016 07:50 Damdred wrote:
For the record trfel is now voting with his 100% scum read in kush.

On January 05 2016 07:54 Damdred wrote:
Can't we just lynch nm?

we need 5-6 voted

On January 05 2016 08:03 sicklucker wrote:
So gb didnt vote to save himself and hes a vt. so thats suspicious

On January 05 2016 08:06 Damdred wrote:
Its very possible we had two scum up GB refused to claim blue to get a lynch averted and refused to vote on a wagon to save himself.

which technically means that it coud be palmar or slam. More than like slam but its worth considering palm.

On January 05 2016 08:08 sicklucker wrote:


sure it was a bus in a sense. But there were some people that expected palmar to be the second wagon over slam. I think it was a m/m wagon where mafia didnt really care rather then a bus.

I think palmar is town and I think people who wanted him dead are mafia

On January 05 2016 08:21 Damdred wrote:
Problem with that is GB is 100& the lynch at that point to him. Distancing is on his mind which might be why he voted obi.

On January 05 2016 21:12 nooniansoong wrote:
Or slam actually. If slam was town he would have gotten more support over gb?

On January 05 2016 08:06 Damdred wrote:
Its very possible we had two scum up GB refused to claim blue to get a lynch averted and refused to vote on a wagon to save himself.

which technically means that it coud be palmar or slam. More than like slam but its worth considering palm.

On January 05 2016 08:04 Palmar wrote:

technically it could've been a scum vs scum wagon (see gb didn't vote slam). But he also may just have given up.

either way, checking slam: fantastic idea.

On January 06 2016 00:11 ExO_ wrote:


woah woah woah back up. I said I had to reevaluate you, not that I changed my mind on you. Don't try to misrepresent what I said.

On January 06 2016 00:21 ExO_ wrote:
However Rayn/Artanis/Vivax/Koshi all thought you were scum Palmar, and all are dead townies. And at the start of day 2, I said scum Palmar would come and talk his way out of a lynch. And I think that is certainly a possibility. The fact that GB was scum is points in your favor, but if Slam flips scum too then It stops even being a question in my mind that you're scum. I was wrong about GB so I at least owe you a relook.

On January 05 2016 23:10 Palmar wrote:
You're insane, people who look like mafia are always worth the check. yes, if the cop hits scum there's 25% chance that scum is godfather and we get a green check, but literally everyone knows to take a green check with a grain of salt until the godfather is flipped.

A red check, on the other hand is 75% (2/3 millers are dead) chance of hitting mafia.

I don't think I want slam lynched tomorrow, although there are some arguments to be made for it. The most important one is that GB didn't vote on his counterwagon.

On January 06 2016 00:31 Palmar wrote:

No but GB as mafia had at least a chance to save himself by just voting slam.

Sure it might be wifom, but there might be a reason he didn't vote slam.

On January 06 2016 01:40 ExO_ wrote:
I'm on page 11 of Palmar filter.





He posts both of these while making some pretty big read posts. So in my mind its either one of 2 things happening:

He's scum and really trying to talk his way out of a lynch. Like to an incredible extent. Or he's town and actually trying to help town. The amount of effort it would take to post all of his read posts leads me to believe it's just too much effort to put into something as scum. If he is scum here it's incredibly well done.

That being said the other tidbit I get from reading Palmar's filter so far is Kush. Palmar is really pushing Kush at this point, and I tend to agree as I read it. If Kush flips scum, it basically confirms Palmar as town.

On December 30 2015 01:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

No, you have no focus. You haven't had focus all game. You're just spewing out what you think gets you townread. Your effort has not been in finding scum.

I don't need to convince you that you're scum though.

On January 06 2016 01:52 Damdred wrote:
Its monday/tuesday won't see him at all till tomorrow more than likely

On January 06 2016 00:48 Palmar wrote:
I guess NM is just a bit illiterate, I'll make sure not to use big words or complicated sentences around him.

On January 06 2016 00:49 Onegu wrote:
Onegu confirmed town now. Will tell you who is scum at lylo and this time you fucks better listen to me.

On January 02 2016 08:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I lied, I'm actually still here.
I just perused OO's, Shining's, and Vivax's filters and haven't had issues with any of them.

Considering Palmar is so high up on everyone's lists and I townread him earlier, can someone explain to me why everyone thinks he's so scummy?

I'll be checking this thread intermittently throughout tonight but I'll try to respond to whoever is still trying to do things.

On January 02 2016 08:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I do remember people saying stuff like "he's not trying to solve the game" but that's mostly rhetoric and a ton of people haven't been doing anything recently.

On January 08 2016 00:12 nooniansoong wrote:


why do you assume town will let this game get to lylo?

On January 08 2016 00:26 Palmar wrote:
ows is a green check, pay attention pls

On January 07 2016 06:21 ExO_ wrote:
I think Onegu is scum. His fake claim bullshit on day 2 has let him slide by like Damdred. Only unlike Damdred he hasn't done anything since then. His filter is 4 pages long, and he has 1 post on the 4th page. He's not doing anything. On day 3 he switched off of Slam and went to GB (this is true of OO and SL as well). If I work with the assumption that Onegu is scum it leads me to the following scum team:

Onegu
Shining
Slam
Kush

Day 3
Kush parks his vote on Slam and never moves it at all. Shining votes for GB, and Onegu moves from Slam to GB. GB never throws his vote on slam (inexplicably). This gets GB lynched, and protects slam for another day.

I think slam is a scum with a role, and I think we should lynch him today.

##Vote Alakaslam

On January 07 2016 07:05 Damdred wrote:
That's interesting why do you spend so much time talking about how onegu must be scum but decide that slam has to be scum because of something that isn't true.

When GB ended up being lynched I tried to shennanigan onto slam but the true counter wagon during the day was palmar. You saying slam wad the other wagon is wrong. And when slam had a large amount of votes before we moved to GB palmar was still the counter wagon.

so yeah

On January 07 2016 07:23 ExO_ wrote:


...I was one of the people moving to Slam during that time, don't you remember? I wanted to lynch Palmar but it never really got enough steam. And then when the movement to Slam started, Palmar almost switched (or at least implied he did) but ultimately decided to stay on GB>

What is untrue about what I'm saying?

On January 08 2016 00:37 nooniansoong wrote:

Your logic this: 5/6 of GB's scumreads turned out to be town. Therefore, the last scumread is also town.
I'd say it makes it more likely for the last scumread to be scum, since scum usually throws in at least some busing especially as the game goes on.
So what we have here is bad and possibly opportunistic reasoning.



To paraphrase:
Voting for alakaslam d1 and d3 is scummy because
1. I can say I pushed scum
2. I stay out of the spotlight.

re 1: I can't say i push scum because my scum meta is to bus and that is well known.
re 2: Wouldn't voting for TT be staying out of the spotlight? I'd say voting for alakaslam rather than going with the popular wagon puts me more in the spotlight. Additionally, I argued hard d3 to not lynch Palmar or GB. That's not out of the spotlight.

On January 08 2016 02:19 Damdred wrote:
But I sorta like that mini case you did on rit.

On January 08 2016 02:50 nooniansoong wrote:
I like the csse but I think ritoky is town. When someone makes a list like that it's not set in stone.
Moosey wasn't a hard townread.
He wanted to shoot an unreadable.

On January 08 2016 02:50 nooniansoong wrote:
I like the csse but I think ritoky is town. When someone makes a list like that it's not set in stone.
Moosey wasn't a hard townread.
He wanted to shoot an unreadable.

On January 08 2016 03:00 NocturneMage wrote:
But here's the catch - why did he allude to both HIS reads and Holyflare's reads as the basis

AND

Why did he say I put all my trust in Holyflare's reads (paraphrasing).

Instead -

Why didn't he just come out and say "I wanted to say fuck it and shoot an unreadable"

Do you see what I am getting at?

Do you see why I'm contrasting this to what I saw in Gaiden?

On January 08 2016 05:20 ritoky wrote:
everything i typed during the night phase i had the gun was wifom. everything. your entire case is from that night phase. ritoky, why was it wifom, that makes no sense?



it's not like i clearly stated multiple times that i was wifoming all night to try and place mafia under the illusion i was shooting between gu and damdred. you're entitled to your opinion though. it's just wrong.

why did i shoot moosy over slam? hf made a list of 3 that i liked and you quoted so clearly you saw it, i chose from the list. if slam flips mafia after gb i look like shit and an idiot and that's on me. but tbh i don't tend to look like shit and an idiot as mafia i would rather shoot my partner and look amazing like i did to palmar once before.

this all stems from omgus since i poe'd you, which makes me laugh and probably just makes you mafia.

On January 03 2016 08:15 ritoky wrote:
because i was realllllly sure hf was town and i had a lot of faith that he isn't this wrong as town so i trusted his reads the most

On January 08 2016 05:20 ritoky wrote:
why did i shoot moosy over slam? hf made a list of 3 that i liked and you quoted so clearly you saw it, i chose from the list. if slam flips mafia after gb i look like shit and an idiot and that's on me. but tbh i don't tend to look like shit and an idiot as mafia i would rather shoot my partner and look amazing like i did to palmar once before.

On January 02 2016 08:09 Holyflare wrote:


No you shoot damdred and lynch onegu.

On January 02 2016 09:01 Holyflare wrote:


They're both probably town there's nothing to work out. Shoot slam please.

On January 02 2016 11:21 Holyflare wrote:
Slam/GB/Moosy are all good shot targets

On January 02 2016 11:47 Holyflare wrote:


Forgot slam he's mafia.

this all stems from omgus since i poe'd you, which makes me laugh and probably just makes you mafia.

On January 08 2016 05:29 The Shining wrote:
The vote count looks bad btw. Votes just piled on Slam. Obviously I'll look like shit if he flips scum for saying this but is this really a bus? I guess I just feel weird because all my scum reads are voting Slam and 3 of my town reads aren't voting yet.

On January 08 2016 05:28 ritoky wrote:


i almost always shoot unreadables or afks. go look at me as vigi or any game i am given a gun, i shoot inactives as i believe it is of the most benefit to town in all cases.

On January 08 2016 06:02 The Shining wrote:


I mean, I guess. It does bring a little credit to the theory of him being a scum PR and that's why scum would bus GB over him but Idk. Did we really have two scum up for lynxh last phase? If he was a scum pr, why would he not be trying in any capacity whatsoever?

Meh I guess it could point in the direction of scum and he just doesn't wanna give anything away.

On January 08 2016 06:10 The Shining wrote:


Hmm.

Can you answer my question about the similarities between here and Dark Tournament?

It doesn't seem like many ppl are here. Palm is afking the lynch because he has a conference today apparently. Why is he scum?

Your points aren't bad against ritoky either but deciding if they actually make him scum is difficult. I've been asking myself why he wasn't shot if he had a gun, tbh. No one was really scumming him until you came in, iirc.

On January 08 2016 06:20 The Shining wrote:


If I'm not mistaken, the vig shot on n1 & n2, which was why there were more NKs. Why would they need the vig alive for n3? Only 2 ppl were nkd yesterday.

And although this does make sense, even though the cop is gone, why would scum not want the GF to live? Once the gf flips, the probable green checks go from 75% to confirmed town.

On January 08 2016 06:17 ritoky wrote:


you read it, but you didn't comprehend it i think you interpreted it as "i wifomed the shot" not "i wifomed all my posts to make it appear i was shooting where i wasn't". you should read it again or maybe you're just constructing a narrative because you're in a shit spot, i don't really know. so let's try and rephrase this for you but you're gonna find largely the same answer.

that read post you're on about? that's not my reads that night.it's a fabircation that's wifom outside of the top block made purely to indicate at the bottom that i think there's a mafia between gu and damdred to imply i am shooting there. again a lot of this is already in my filter, you just selectively dodged around it, none of this is new information.

in regards to hf and my reads, hf gave a list of 3 that i took to heart. you can say he exclaimed a preference all you want, hf told me to shoot quite a few people since i announced i had a gun (i can cherrypick other posts of him telling me to shoot other people as well including your slot). i took that list and narrowed it to 2, because gb was posting shit and i figured i can actually get a read on that. between slam and moosy there's not really any separation tbh. slam had done 1 of 3 town tells i have on him but usually does all 3 as town, i told moosy i was going to shoot him and he had a shit reaction. i chose the guy with the shit reaction and was wrong.

the omgus calling me mafia probably just makes you mafia because i have a lot of town reads and you're not one of them. you're also cherrypicking pretty heavily to form a narrative that has already been talked about and contort it into a way that makes me look bad.

On January 08 2016 06:38 The Shining wrote:


So you seem convinced both Slam and ritoky are scum then. Why not take the Slam lynch if he's scum instead of trying to shenanny onto ritoky?

And your theory only makes sense if Slam is GF. If he was vig and already used his two shots, there would have been no reason to vote onto GB over him since they're both essentially mafia vanilla at that point. And GB arguably did more than slam before he fell off.

Palmar was one of the main cases on the GB wagon, too. Are you thinking he bussed him then?

On January 08 2016 07:08 The Shining wrote:
I just reread some of full metal, namely when I interacted with ritoky and thought I caught him and later when NM caught him and we shenannyd. I forgot I was in that game.

Idk NM. On the one hand, there are parts where I can see how you drew the parallels between the two games re: scumtoky but this game...Meh. Idk how to explain it. He seems a lot more relaxed and still involved in things. Like when he was scum and we went at it that game, he was a lot more aggressive towards me because I scum read him.

And as I'm typing this, I'm remembering he went from aggression and "this is why you're scum shining" to "you're right, I never read you right, you could be town."

He called you scum in his initial defense and then, because you're tunneled, he said he could see it coming from town. Is this another similarity?

On January 08 2016 07:19 The Shining wrote:


I meant he and I clashed in that game. And he retracted his scum read on me because he said he looked in past games and was wrong on me before.

In this game, you two are clashing and he called you scum for omgus that led to your case, and implying you're pushing a ML with walls of text on him because he has a broken wrist. But then he says you've tunneled him before in past games and he can see it coming from town.

The only difference I see is he dropped the scum read completely on me in full metal, but he only said you could be town but are much less likely to be than the others on his POE.

On January 08 2016 08:04 ExO_ wrote:


easy to vote for him when you know who he is

On January 08 2016 07:57 The Shining wrote:


For me it's POE, activity and him claiming I was much more engaged in the thread early on and I'm not anymore, which means I'm scum. Which is bad because most of my posts early on were catch up posts and just scumming Ness.

Then he asked palmar to validate a meta read on me from my most recent scum game and a random town game, even though I've rolled town in like 20/22 games. But when I asked him about it, he said it probably meant nothing, even though I think he scum read me

On January 08 2016 08:08 The Shining wrote:


Hmmmm.

Palmar+OO+exo?

If not exo, NMs ritoky case might have merit.

On January 05 2016 08:04 Palmar wrote:

technically it could've been a scum vs scum wagon (see gb didn't vote slam). But he also may just have given up.

either way, checking slam: fantastic idea.

On January 08 2016 08:14 ExO_ wrote:
Holy shit why am I scummy now? Jesus Christ its like a rotating door. I really hope it's scum coming in here trying to push suspicion on me yet again, and not townies.

OWS since you are all but confirmed town at this point please listen. I'm not scum. idk what to do but I don't want to lose the game later on b/c confirmed towns scum read me and ended up pusing me.

On January 08 2016 08:06 The Shining wrote:
Lmao well shit. See NM told you he had to be GF if they wanted to keep him alive, not big XD

I also just got my wish 're: Obi so I'm pretty happy. I can take Obi off of my POE. NM, too, after this last day phase.

Slam voting exo is such wifom though. Anyone know if Slam is more likely to vote a partner here or a townie? A part of me wants to not even touch that.

On January 08 2016 08:24 ExO_ wrote:


why are you not scum reading kush?

On January 08 2016 08:23 ExO_ wrote:
What really strikes me about Palmar is when he got pressure he came in and talked a lot. And what he was saying looked good to me, it looked like he cared about solving the game and after I re-read his filter I started to agree. But he was entirely absent today. idk does Palmar only care when he has pressure on him or something?

still his talking on day 3/night 3 really gives me pause before I scum read him

On January 08 2016 08:53 nooniansoong wrote:

Dunno I think this might look worse for nm than palmar.

On January 08 2016 09:27 ritoky wrote:
the basic case for the impatient is is: 1) nm knows slam is about to flip mafia; 2) nm plans to go 1 for 1 to get to lylo; 3) nm knows if slam flips mafia then i look like a jackass cuz i shot the only town in a list of 3 provided by hf; 4) nm pre-emptively starts to tunnel me with that factor as the centerpiece of his case; 5) NM re-inforces it post flip

On December 29 2015 07:06 ritoky wrote:


Well i thought you were town earlier cuz you sounded pretty honest, but then you're all wishy-washy about your 2nd biggest scum read and refuse to vote when you really should have already voted if you believed your read and sound like you're pre-emptively distancing; which could mean you're TMI setting yourself up to look good post-flip. I don't wanna vote TT cuz he the only person voting my top scum read is a dumpster reason too.