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On January 04 2016 01:01 sicklucker wrote: Have you ever played with onegu nocturnemage?
I think I have roleswapped with him twice before. its like all he does. Fakes power roles
If he's town and we lynch him, maybe he'll stop doing it.
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Nm what's the mafia motivation potentially going 1v1 and if he's cc Tt is confirmed town?
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there is no such line when it comes to onegu thats kind of the point
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Meh it's sorta like how afk can town moosey be d1. Lynching them doesn't fix it ever
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I wanna say hes town based on the fact hes as ridiculously inactive like his last town game about a week ago. In these games hes been super inactive even for onegu.
I feel like a mafia onegu would try harder. I think he plays to roll mafia
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Maybe but I did play in a game with scum onegu where he fake claimed big and rode it until end of game. There is that.
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On January 03 2016 22:40 ObviousOne wrote: thought about night kills for a bit in my simpleminded way and reviewed some of their filters quickly
rsoul obviously killed because confirmed town and capable of playing as opposed to coag who is mostly reliable for deciding at the last possible moment who to lynch at lylo, making him a low priority kill
based on artanis rayn and vivax, palmar is suspect as they were the largest proponents of his lynch. also they were probably the most obvious town so it's hard to decide if they were killed for being obviously town or if they were being killed for their scum reads.
i don't want to lynch onegu yet because im pretty sure he's town and pulled of a highly retarded ego-related move to try to get a scum read lynched and that is so bad that i would rather ignore him completely than dedicate any more brain cells to thinking about it. also the people voting for him at this point, yikes.
no idea what i was thinking about since i didnt write it down when writing my last scum team list, poked through various filters and there was a confluence of ideas that make it a thing that happened. mostly how people talk to / treat eachother and their scum reads, but it was nebulous and in my head so i have no idea if it's good or not. maybe not. i am apparently the black sheep when it comes to scum reads this game which probably means i'm 90% wrong or more. i remember last time that happened in a game hosted by bh, wasn't a good time after i died and found out how retarded i was. could be that all over again.
maybe there's some hidden nuggets in the way the rels vote went. honestly i don't see/remember how come rels was lynched for sheeping rayn or what his major offense was.
haven't given a single thought to nocturne but there's been some discussion about him relating to replacement meta that could be a good start. it's entirely possible that ness quit not because he was a pissed off townie but because he didn't want to deal with mafia [the game] elitist hotheads. i could see that. i had that kind of thought in my first newbie game with someone a lot less outrageous.
it's hindering me thinking about things in terms of potential teams with this many players and i'm at a loss when it comes to trying process of elimination so... yeah. gonna sheep damdred today.
I think this is a pretty good reason right here to vote Palmar over Onegu (the Onegu reasoning presumably based on meta if that is what other people are saying). Not sure why he wanted to sheep Damdred instead of trust his own vote, I thought Koshi suspected Palmar too? There's more evidence that way too.
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On January 04 2016 01:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 01:01 sicklucker wrote: Have you ever played with onegu nocturnemage?
I think I have roleswapped with him twice before. its like all he does. Fakes power roles If he's town and we lynch him, maybe he'll stop doing it.
Can we afford this line of reasoning one mislynch before lylo? I don't think so.
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On January 04 2016 01:16 Damdred wrote: Maybe but I did play in a game with scum onegu where he fake claimed big and rode it until end of game. There is that.
On January 04 2016 01:13 Damdred wrote: Nm what's the mafia motivation potentially going 1v1 and if he's cc Tt is confirmed town?
By your own admission if he's capable of this as mafia, why couldn't he possibly do it now?
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On January 04 2016 01:13 Damdred wrote: Nm what's the mafia motivation potentially going 1v1 and if he's cc Tt is confirmed town?
The counterclaim would in theory draw out the cop. They have a rolecop, roleblocker and a decent chunk of kp where doing this might be worth sacrificing a vanilla scum.
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Vote Count - Day 3
Onegu (3): Alakaslam, NocturneMage, ObiWanShinobi NocturneMage (2): Damdred, sicklucker Alakaslam (2): ritoky, nooniansoong GlowingBear (1): Palmar Palmar (1): Coagulation Trfel (0): ObiWanShinobi ritoky (0): sicklucker
Not Voting (6): Onegu, ObviousOne, ExO_, GlowingBear, Trfel, The Shining
At this time, Onegu is slated to be lynched. Day 3 end in on Monday, Jan 04 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted.
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Warning I haven't slept and I gotta play a 1052 team dota 2 qualifier tournament because i sub for shit tier two teams while drinking alot of coffee and then beer. so expect some nonsense out of me
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I just realized mafia has a rolecop. Hum this makes the vivax kill even stranger. w/e
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Totally different scenario though he claimed vig after n1 when there was only 2 kp delivered and he was scum vig. The likelihood of there being a town big in that case was next to 0.
So totally different, and when a 1 v 1 with confirming a town in the process it's always town favored.
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maybe nocturne mage is tmi when he acualy knows what mafia roles there are since I never bothered to look other then the vig and roleblocker I noticed. I mean its really stupid I think so I wont hold it against him but I never noticed there was a rolecop or a gf. Like whats rc even stand for rolecops are kinda rare in games
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On January 04 2016 01:48 sicklucker wrote: maybe nocturne mage is tmi when he acualy knows what mafia roles there are since I never bothered to look other then the vig and roleblocker I noticed. I mean its really stupid I think so I wont hold it against him but I never noticed there was a rolecop or a gf. Like whats rc even stand for rolecops are kinda rare in games
This is an open setup? Read the OP much? And people have mentioned both rolecop/rolechecker in pre-game/early game in putting the setup together.
Are you smoking weed or something?
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On January 04 2016 01:50 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 01:48 sicklucker wrote: maybe nocturne mage is tmi when he acualy knows what mafia roles there are since I never bothered to look other then the vig and roleblocker I noticed. I mean its really stupid I think so I wont hold it against him but I never noticed there was a rolecop or a gf. Like whats rc even stand for rolecops are kinda rare in games This is an open setup? Read the OP much? And people have mentioned both rolecop/rolechecker in pre-game/early game in putting the setup together. Are you smoking weed or something?
Im completely not in a stable mindset. I know its an open setup but I only ever glanced at the mafia roles because it didnt affect me. roleblocker is in every game there a given. I noticed the vig because its a game changer when I glanced over it. I completely missed the other gf/rc because I skimmed it.
Im pretty sure your an inexperienced player who only played 13ers.
SO ITS KIND OF FUCKING WEIRD YOU KNOW THAT RC= ROLECOP NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT
how do you know rc=rolecop? its not in the op at all
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Alright, so if I am to trust Onegu's meta or your reads of his meta that he can do this as both alignments, then I'll switch my vote to Palmar. Confirmed mason is also pointing us in that direction last I saw, surely he can be trusted on top of all the NK WIFOM.
##unvote ##vote Palmar
I'll pick up reading the thread from where I left off.
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Well Koshi called it a rolechecker and in my previous games I've gone through larger games looking up in the database before. I think there was a large normal called Guardians of the Galaxy that had a rolecop for example. It's the same concept.
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